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How to Abolish the Police: Lessons from Rojava

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- Wed, 03 Jun 2020 11:47:57 EST jgrixynN No.210150
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>The possibilities of establishing hierarchies of power and authority are significantly reduced in this alternative method. The people are the protectors of the people, those that they live with and interact with daily. The proximity of the ‘security forces’ to the community, being drawn from their own neighborhood ensures that violations do not occur. Where they do occur community mechanisms of justice, honor and restoration are immediately activated through the neighborhood communes. Monopoly of this process is further prevented by encouraging everyone to participate through a roster system. Anyone can volunteer. This includes the elderly, particularly women as sources of civil protection. There is nothing empowering, nothing restores the soul of a traumatized, war-torn community than seeing the matriarchs of your neighborhood confidently at street corners wielding ak-47s for the protection of the people. Unlike the terrifying images of police brutality in the US, these images do not inspire fear and terror. They inspire communal confidence, pride, self respect and belonging. Of course, in Rojava the elderly do have to take on more responsibility due to the fact that most of the young men and women have been fighting at the front lines in the war against ISIS terrorists.

http://hawzhin.press/2020/06/01/how-to-abolish-the-police-lessons-from-rojava/
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Hannah Saddletadge - Thu, 04 Jun 2020 14:22:42 EST pg5VE3Xd No.210151 Reply
>>210150
how would one be able to enter Rojava with a western passport if they wished to experience this place for themself? And how much coverage has been offered to independent media? These are the immediate questions that come to mind when reading your post. That being said I have much respect for what I do hear of Rojava and I hope they are succesful in their project. I also began to wonder what levels of PTSD and similar effects of the war are present in the population. I think if one were to take this community as an example, they should be highly conscious of the fact that Rojava was a product of the massive civil war (which has lasted longer than ww2) in Syria. The famous example of Catalonia is a similar case in that regard. Perhaps there are similar enclaves in Libya, the Congo, Kashmir and other war-torn regions but I cannot remember knowing of them save for one or two at most. The question remains: how to adapt our western societies without total or extensive destruction of society and infrastructure? In that regard the riots in the US do not, unfortunately, present a good forecast for society, especially in a country so massively armed as the USA.
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Martin Drushshit - Sat, 06 Jun 2020 09:42:15 EST jgrixynN No.210154 Reply
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>>210151
>how would one be able to enter Rojava with a western passport if they wished to experience this place for themself?
The COVID-19 pandemic complicates things, since they've closed down the border to try and prevent the spread of infection. Im not sure if it's been reopened. However Rojava doesn't care a ton about passports I don't think. However, in order to get to Rojava to start with you'll need to go through Iraq, and it's likely the Iraqi government (e.g. through the Erbil airport) will care about passports. If you want to visit Rojava your best bet is to contact either the YPG international if you want to volunteer in a military capacity, or the Internationalist Commune (https://internationalistcommune.com/) if you want to volunteer in a civilian capacity in the civil society.
>And how much coverage has been offered to independent media?
There's been absolutely tons on independent media coverage of Rojava. Vast amounts of the mainstream media covered it during the land war against ISIS, but you should search for Jake Hanrahan and Vice news for some particularly good examples. Right now the Rojava Information Center (https://rojavainformationcenter.com/) has been set up and is doing some impressive journalistic work.
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Molly Sublingwell - Fri, 12 Jun 2020 03:24:12 EST DBjbY+OC No.210158 Reply
>>210150
Suspending the, once again, shitty leftist piping:

Here is the reality.

https://www.peaceinkurdistancampaign.com/charter-of-the-social-contract/

This is basically a new "Constitution" that was ratified in 2014. And the practical reality is that the survival of this government is going to be quite dependent on the disposition of the central syrian government in the future.

In practical terms of this as it applies to the American concerns.

it doesn't sorry

Syria has been in a state of Civil War for 9 years. This constitution is roughly 6 years old, and while the age of the constitution is not relevant, the context is which it was created very much is. We are not comparing like for like here.

The author of this article may feel quite happy to feel pride about old ladies walking around pretending to keep the peace, but to think that some kind of "volunteer" "golly gee honor system" is going to work with respect to what a developed nation deals with- it's just not comparable.

It seems to me, to a degree, that police react in proportion to the worst thing they are expected to face. I have read stories from police officers facing shotguns and having to pull dead bodies out of ravines etc. Are these elderly ak-47 toting grandmothers with seemingly no serious training prepared to deal with the practical things that cops in the united states deal with on a day-to-day basis?

Yes, I'm aware that the police are quite militarized in the United States, I'm not happy about being treated as a helot either. And I was quite against those policies relating to surplus being re-established by the sitting president, that is a practical policy consideration, not posturing. That is the difference.

There is a litany of good policy options available to mitigate shitty Policy Officers and Policing in the United States, but making very seriously unfair comparisons is unhelpful.
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Fuck Gimmerkock - Fri, 12 Jun 2020 06:21:03 EST nyMjUEMm No.210159 Reply
>>210158
The only option that would end the issues people have with the current state of policing in this country is a radical overhaul of the criminal justice system and the end of for-profit prisons. It won't happen in your lifetime.
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Archie Crommerhall - Mon, 15 Jun 2020 23:17:11 EST jgrixynN No.210161 Reply
>>210158
>And the practical reality is that the survival of this government is going to be quite dependent on the disposition of the central syrian government in the future.
[citation needed]
You can't predict the future
>but to think that some kind of "volunteer" "golly gee honor system" is going to work with respect to what a developed nation deals with- it's just not comparable.
The Civilian Defense Forces (HPC) are not a "golly gee honor system" but a local militia force that is fully institutionalized into the commune system. Can you please put the absolute bare minimum into reading about a subject before going off? You clearly have absolutely no clue what you're talking about.
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Cyril Crozzlewill - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:11:49 EST t8Mt4dJ9 No.210164 Reply
>>210150
This method applied to the US would effectively create an atmosphere indistinguishable from a race war
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Archie Brusslestitch - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:27:38 EST OCqJM9mw No.210165 Reply
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>>210164
How? Everyone would just be patrolling their own communities if I understand this correctly, so it's not like "Militia's" all the way from the deep south would be patrolling Harlem, New York. I mean the idea sounds unworkable and kind of retarded but I don't see how their would be a veneer of a race war.
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Cyril Crozzlewill - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:39:24 EST t8Mt4dJ9 No.210166 Reply
>>210150
This method applied to the US would effectively create an atmosphere indistinguishable from a race war
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Shitting Handlesug - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:26:43 EST PjzV5gHZ No.210167 Reply
>>210150
This method applied to the US would effectively create an atmosphere indistinguishable from a race war
User is currently banned from all boards
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Ernest Barrylock - Sat, 27 Jun 2020 01:17:47 EST JyDTI0YA No.210190 Reply
>>210188
shove it up your ass stormfag
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Nicholas Niblingwill - Sat, 27 Jun 2020 16:40:04 EST fGHDtkRk No.210191 Reply
>>210188
you guys really think about dicks all the time don't you? big dicks, little dicks, big dicks good, little dicks bad, no dicks are the worst, your side has the biggest, you guys have a passion for dicks unmatched by even the most enthusiastic sex worker who truly loves their job

there's so much sexual psychosis in fascism it's amazing
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Edward Dingershaw - Sat, 27 Jun 2020 19:12:28 EST 83sd4yiJ No.210196 Reply
>>210195
shove it up your ass stormfag
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Hedda Sonderbark - Sat, 04 Jul 2020 10:40:35 EST wkablpIZ No.210208 Reply
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>>210150
>>210154
So the Rojava Information Center recently released what looks to be the most detailed report on the HPC as of yet. The part about drugs can seem weird, but remember that they are in the middle of a civil war and that these things are often connected to literally ISIS or other jihadist groups. I have a friend from Kobane (city in Rojava), who has told me about growing and smoking dude weed and it not being a problem.
>ZE: Now, our members total between 13,000-15,000. The HPC have a presence in all cities and in almost all of the villages in the Jazira region. We work via the communes in the civil society.
>SM: We want to help those women who are being oppressed and who are experiencing difficulties to improve their quality of life. As HPC-Jin we have the right to get involved in anything that concerns women. For example, if a women is being beaten or mistreated by her husband, or if she is being oppressed, we have a right to step in to end the mistreatment of the woman. We also go visit people in civil society and listen to what they have to say and they can tell us what they are struggling with.
>We also give seminars on women’s rights. For example we don’t accept for a man to marry two women, or for underage girls to get married. Usually when a man marries a girl so young they end up divorcing them one or two years later which causes the girl a lot of pain. So this is where we put our foot down. Our duty is to protect the society.
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Jarvis Shittingshaw - Tue, 07 Jul 2020 17:03:45 EST dWsyBcE9 No.210213 Reply
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>>210165
> it's not like "Militia's" all the way from the deep south would be patrolling Harlem, New York
No they would be patrolling the deep south. But guess where most African Americans live? Allegedly the highlighted counties would be patrolled by by African american's but the fact remains that with the Rojava model, chuds would be lining up in droves to be cops and are generally more strapped than minority communities. The worst areas would be Missouri and Indiana where whites have a larger majority but are just as if not more racist than the deep south.

As for causing a "race war", that would only be apparent if the black community buys into it too and pushes away white leftists and other minorities, which would be ridiculous. Like we wouldn't even be in a position to propose an alternative police force from riding a wave of black nationalism. That shit would die in it's crib.
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Jack Sablingnadge - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:36:23 EST wkablpIZ No.210221 Reply
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>>210213
The thing about the Rojava model is that it doesn't work through people " lining up in droves to be cops." It works through community self-organization. It is more similar to the sort of self-defense that the Black Panthers were organizing for (actual leftism).
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sat, 18 Jul 2020 02:46:55 EST dnunyWOD No.210229 Reply
>>210221
Did Bookchin write on cops at all.

I'm leaning towards Social ecology these days, but yeah the whole CHAZ thing where the "we're not cops we swear" security team started killing people and being violent makes me think that leftists need some solid praxis here.
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Cyril Govingtan - Sun, 19 Jul 2020 23:30:51 EST wkablpIZ No.210230 Reply
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>>210229
Yeah he wrote about it in a few different places, but most notably throughout one of his main books From Urbanization to Cities (pic related). He wanted people to form directly democratic neighbourhood militias that were accountable to the people. But Bookchin always stressed ethics and seriousness, which CHAZ seemed to lack from what I could tell (it didn't really seem like it had anything to do with Bookchin from what I saw).
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/murray-bookchin-libertarian-municipalism-the-new-municipal-agenda
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Cornelius Funkinbuck - Mon, 20 Jul 2020 02:36:34 EST DjpVXflu No.210231 Reply
>want to abolish police
>can't stop shooting each other

lmao
User is currently banned from all boards
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Caroline Bunhall - Mon, 20 Jul 2020 21:22:53 EST OCqJM9mw No.210247 Reply
>>210244
I think it's just a random critique about America in general.
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Albert Tootdock - Mon, 27 Jul 2020 23:39:01 EST fGHDtkRk No.210262 Reply
>>210247
Have a sneaking suspicion that he means a specific kind of American because he seems to be brain damaged
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Fanny Hoblingstone - Thu, 03 Sep 2020 18:19:18 EST pLsPSbIr No.210284 Reply
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I like how the article has women holding weapons. The kind of stout or elderly women we're accustomed to see caring for children.


>>210247
>>210262
>>210244
gee maybe the CHAZ post right above derp
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Ian Crupperchun - Fri, 04 Sep 2020 22:54:38 EST fGHDtkRk No.210285 Reply
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>>210284
>The kind of stout or elderly women we're accustomed to see caring for children.

Your power is slipping through your fingers like grains of sand. You're crazy if you think you can roll back rights for half the population once they're given. There will never be the referendum on gender that you're hoping for. Our bondage is being broken and we will never again return to the subjugation of the recent past. All you can do is fantasize about a future that will never be and rest assured that if things don't turn out your way, it's only "natural" that women will be worse off for it. Since that is objectively not true, there will not even be the consolation prize of our suffering.

We will build a new world from the ashes of the old. You've already lost and there is legitimately nothing you can do about it. The states you might hold up as examples of how things "should be" will only liberalize with time. They will never take over the world as they are. It will never happen. The contradictions inherent to those regressive societies will inevitably dissolve them, and freer ones will form in their stead.

What WILL happen is transnational organizations supporting human rights and local grass roots left-wing efforts will be united in social policy despite being opposed in economic policy. The fight will be over capitalism, not traditionalism. In a few hundred short years the races of man will more or less be evenly distributed around the world. Ethnic groups will start to dissolve into a world culture. Identity will be consciously adopted not assigned based on genetics or biology. Sex will be inconsequential in almost all circumstances. Gender will be something that an individual develops of their own accord. The artificial nuclear family structure will give way to a return to the natural communal structure of child-rearing. Lifelong pair-bonded relationships will be passe, and even among those in them the idea that genitals should play a role in finding a partner will be absurd.

Mankind will finally be free to experience existence fully, with a greater understanding of what is and is not objective reality, no longer bound by the fairy tales our ancestors used to explain the world. This could happen in a socialist utopia or a late-capitalist dystopia, it could happen as we enter a golden age or as humanity dies, but it will happen.

>gee maybe the CHAZ post right above derp

You are lying. The above post was a critique of CHAZ. If you look at that person's other posts, the ones that weren't outright deleted that is, it is very clear what agenda they're pushing.

You know exactly what group of people he was referring to with that post you slimey fuck.
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Martha Nicklecocke - Sun, 27 Sep 2020 13:16:46 EST wkablpIZ No.210295 Reply
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>>210150
>Prison abolition is often derided as idealistic or utopian, but it’s more achievable than some might think. In fact, decentralized communal defense models and widespread restorative approaches to justice already exist in Rojava, the Kurdish name commonly used to describe what is formally called North East Syria. As many activists have noted, this autonomous region in northeastern Syria provides a striking modern example of how democratic solidarity in resistance to growing authoritarian power worldwide can inform present-day political efforts within the United States.
https://www.currentaffairs.org/2020/09/abolition-as-a-project-of-deep-democracy
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Fucking Bardworth - Sun, 11 Oct 2020 15:59:33 EST YxS7GzvM No.210304 Reply
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>>210285
what if people dont agree with each other? Should we socially engineer them or outright suppress them with violence or exile? If we decide that we must socially engineer society, how do we make progress without some sort of state to organize and legitimize these decisions based on democracy? It seems like there is so much engrained into our system that would go against social progress that nothing will ever change before its too late.

Im partial to the idea of integration between the human mind and AI being one of the most transformative events that could forever change this system. Being able to access infinite amount of information objectively would liberate constructs of the human ego. Ofcourse, there is the real issue of these augmentations only being available to the wealthy and powerful or them using this technology to further control to population. The revolution in a sense should be to delegitimize the powers between capital and the state. Anarchists tend to agree that hierarchy's are a natural progression in societies as they grow larger. With these two factors, the fundamental system of capitalism and anti-statism would seem the only viable solution into changing the system.

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