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Barnaby Sabberfick - Mon, 20 Jul 2020 21:14:16 EST uW5n27ks No.210245

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So, Protestants. Why do you not believe in the "Deuterocanon" when it was obviously thought of as Scripture by early Christians and referenced in the New Testament? Martin Luther and John Calvin were heretics who arbitrarily deleted Scripture they didn't fancy (even some of the New Testament like Hebrews and James were almost removed because they didn't agree with it).

For those who don't know, Protestants use only the Jewish books of the Old Testament and exclude Tobit, Judith, 1 Maccabees, 2 Maccabees, Wisdom of Solomon, Sirach, and Baruch because they were written in Greek after Alexander's conquests and Protestants believe in Phariseeism I guess.

Also Sola Fide is retarded. A mass murderer could just become "born again" before he is put to death and then will go to Heaven because he "believes".

>>	Caroline Bunhall - Mon, 20 Jul 2020 21:19:48 EST OCqJM9mw No.210246 Reply When you think about it, Gnosticism is the only branch of Christianity that isn't completely retarded.

Beatrice Pickleridge - Mon, 20 Jul 2020 22:44:28 EST JyDTI0YA No.210248 Reply

>>210246
Gnosticism is a slur. It doesn't mean anything. It was nothing more than a derogatory term Irenaeus, Tertullian, Origen and the like used to group a wide variety of disparate belief systems who's sole unifying factor was their unorthodoxy. Some supposed 'gnostic' sects aren't even dualistic. Others were far closer to modern Protestantism than anything resembling Sethianism or Manichaeism (the Cathars in particular are one such victim of the Church's attempted grouping of all heresies under a singular banner). 'Gnosticism', as a unified category with supposed shared theological tenants, arouse purely because orthodoxy willed it into being. To even compare second century belief systems (the entire proto-orthodoxy period) with later fourth century derivatives is an extreme stretch of the imagination, much less later medieval belief systems, yet the term Gnosticism is an inherent push to achieve just that. At best, it's an reductive oversimplification. At worst, it's little more than shoving a bunch of unrelated heresiarchs into an amorphous mass with no narrative cohesion to speak of. There's no Gnostic bible, only a group of vaguely-related and heavily debated texts lumped under the same label (and note that many supposed gnostic sects were happy to use certain orthodox Christian works like the Gospel of John and the Pauline epistles) No sect of supposed Gnosticism called itself Gnostic until the modern era after the recovery of the Nag Hammadi library, thousands of years removed from their theological forebears.

Know that when you use the term Gnosticism and refer to it as a specific 'branch' of Christianity (which is humorous because some so-called 'gnostic' sects don't even consider the Christ, like the modern Mandaeans), you're using orthodox Christian theology. You're using the long-dead thoughts and opinions of the orthodox Church Fathers in a way quite converse to how the supposed Gnostics of the day regarded themselves.

>>	Caroline Bunhall - Mon, 20 Jul 2020 22:54:41 EST OCqJM9mw No.210249 Reply >>210248 Actually you're right, all of Christianity is completely retarded.

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