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hey - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:14:08 EST ID:xIeK3S8Q No.892734
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Is salvia legal in California?
Hannah Pizzlelock - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 22:45:37 EST ID:qVHxh7d6 No.892742 Ignore Report Reply
yes if you are over the age of 18

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Ian Snodson - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 11:02:56 EST ID:tf0EJDeO No.892727
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How many grams would yall say this looks like?
Phineas Greenbury - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 14:48:44 EST ID:+PlH7rc0 No.892730 Ignore Report Reply
Treefidy nb
Jarvis Nozzlestone - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 21:48:04 EST ID:QOhI8nH5 No.892738 Ignore Report Reply
enough to buy a scale with

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David Savingchod - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 02:23:34 EST ID:UGx1CDGi No.892667
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>Me and a group of three friends decide to take 2gs of Colombian Cubes for a mellow trip.
>Me and two of my friends have all tripped a few times, the third friend has never done shrooms before
>Everything is going great like 3 hours into the trip
>Decide to smoke some weed
>Passing blunt/bong around
>Third friend takes a fair amount of rips
>He asks for some water a few minutes later
>All that's immediately near us is a beer, and I ask if he wants a sip of that while I go get him some water from the sink
>He says yes
>Takes a sip of the beer
>Seconds later he crumbles to the floor
>On his back, motionless, eyes rolling back. It was almost like he was asleep
>Wonder if somethings wrong with the shrooms, but me and my other friends are completely fine
>As I'm considering driving him to the hospital or calling 911, he regains consciousness and springs back up
>Says he is tripping balls
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Jarvis Bladgeford - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 19:25:33 EST ID:bDYMg8HY No.892735 Ignore Report Reply
He's not teaching people to aspirate he's trying to teach the trendelenburg position, but if he paid attention in those courses he'd know that they don't use that anymore. Also, you're right he does seem to have some confusion about profusion, but in a syncopal episode laying someone out *should* wake them up if the don't wake up as soon as they hit the ground. If he got all that wrong then he never passed that class I'm afraid to say, at least I hope not......
C'mon man not all EMT's are nitwits and if you're ever in trouble and all you got is BLS around you better hope you don't have one of the dumb dumbs.
Jarvis Nozzlestone - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 21:44:45 EST ID:QOhI8nH5 No.892736 Ignore Report Reply
while as others have said it was probably the weed but ill add in that whenever i start tripping absolute sack i end up on the floor motionless, regardless of what other drugs are in my system. turns into a moment of
>okay, lets figure out whats happening before i work on moving my muscles
Frederick Sizzleway - Wed, 10 Oct 2018 20:39:09 EST ID:c7mymItX No.892775 Ignore Report Reply
I think it’s body chemistry? I saw this because this happens to me when I trip. My friends all worry but I feel so great and yeah whenever I come to I’m tripping balls. Psychs relax the shit out of me somehow though. I was always able to crash coming down off acid no problem at all and my friends were always baffled. Few times tripping alone I accidentally passed out and a couple times with friends. Has happened with shrooms and lsd on seperate occasions. Another note though I smoke weed like a crackhead smokes crack when I trip. I dunno how so many people are saying it’s a bad mix. It has made me uncomfortable at times but 9/10 times it amplifies the trip. Everyone I’ve ever tripped with agrees and smokes with me. So it’s either body chemistry, the weed, or both. Even though we pass the bong evenly when tripping I probably took bigger hits.

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Billy Sastard - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 10:54:52 EST ID:8JkmaEOw No.892612
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Ex-psychonaut Your Mate Tom dis-proving the new age theory of "you are god":

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Edwin Sombleville - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 06:12:34 EST ID:orOv8TrE No.892695 Ignore Report Reply

You did fucking not address the fact that words in the english language can and do have multiple meanings.

You said:
>The whole point of words is to convey meaning from human to human. The entire reason words even work is because there's a consensus between people on what they mean, otherwise it's just funny sounds we make with our mouths

And that STILL does not change the fact that many words in the english language have multiple meanings, many of which can and have changed over time.
Hamilton Darryway - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 10:07:32 EST ID:5TNGJdhs No.892699 Ignore Report Reply
I think the issue here is that what you two are actually arguing about isn't whether words have multiple meanings or not as a fact in itself.

Yeah, "God" has multiple meanings to multiple religions, cultures, and people, and yes, obviously words can have multiple meanings and those meanings can and do evolve over time; however, this doesn't mean you can literally just make some fuckin definition up to be different without regard to how everybody else uses and defines the word and expect anybody to actually know what you're fucking talking about. It's confusing as fuck, and reeks of an attempt to manipulate people by intentionally causing miscommunication... assuming the speaker is of any real intelligence, that is. Otherwise they're just dumb and ignorant as fuck.

The point here with newage faggots using the word "God" the way they do is that they're using it to describe something sufficiently distinct enough in meaning from the majority of other religious definitions of God that already exist, so it's better in this case to come up with a better way of explaining it entirely. Part of the problem is that the mind isn't very good at keeping the different meanings of a word separate when thinking or speaking about something. Many of the other associations and smaller aspects of the other meanings "leak" into the meaning in the way it's being used differently.

I think this phenomenon in itself is responsible for what's causing people like this to refer to the entirety of the universe as a single, unified whole as "God" is the fact that many religions share this as a fact about "God"'s existence, but only as one small aspect of it. They latch on to that single factoid about the multiple definitions of God found in many religions and use it to incorrectly/inaccurately identify the concept they're trying to describe. Despite the fact they're consciously removing the other aspects of the other definitions of "God" that exist, a lot of the time you don't realize until looking at what you're saying/thinking more closely that you are accidentally incorporating many of those aspects into your …
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Shit Fippernedge - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 08:42:30 EST ID:PDOOs83Y No.892725 Ignore Report Reply
>You did fucking not address the fact that words in the english language can and do have multiple meanings.

Except I did. Like I said, stay retarded.

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Stoned chocobo - Sun, 07 Oct 2018 23:20:25 EST ID:Yl/147YE No.892689
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So i took 400mg piracetam in a capsule with 50mg of 3 ho pcp expecting to go into a hole. Well i took it orally two hours ago and im feeling like i only did 10mg. Upon a quick google i saw that piracetam actually is the benzo equivalent to a trip Killswitch. So that fucked up my night.

But i also read that piracetam taken before or during Psychedelics will increase the trip and add magic, but im one that likes to mix his psy with dis. So im wondering how to dose piracetam to boost a trip that will involve both Psychedelics and dissociatives. Lets use 3 ho pcp and LSD with pricetam for example. Or dxm and 4 aco dmt.

How do i use the piracetam to potentiate both the tryptamine/lysergamide and the dissociative?

Sorry to flood the boards i need answers asap and i feel this is a very worthwhile multidisciplinary discussion
Hamilton Darryway - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 11:25:57 EST ID:5TNGJdhs No.892702 Ignore Report Reply
Piracetam and other racetams generally function by agonizing the AMPA receptors, but are also generally thought to have some kind of downstream effect on NMDA receptors as well. AMPA receptors and NMDA receptors are both involved with glutamate firing.

A rather oversimplified way of looking at why it reduces the effects of dissociation and potentiates the effects of psychedelic hallucinogens is by seeing things this way: dissociatives generally decrease the amount of neuronal firing and communication between networks of neurons in the brain, and Piracetam functions effectively the opposite by increasing the firing/communication (without having lots of extraneous effects like on the dopamine and norepinephrine systems). It doesn't necessarily cause more excitation so much as it increases the potential for it to occur.

Now, take that same effect of raising the potential for neuronal firing/communication and imagine combining it with a drug that functions as a serotonergic psychedelic hallucinogen. The normal feedback mechanisms in consciousness generating circuit in the brain become highly unstable and cause lots of disinhibition and recurrent feedback excitation. Disinhibition refers to brain processes/activity that normally are inhibited during sober waking consciousness no longer are, so increases in behaviors or brain functions associated with this inhibition are seen (as with sociability or inability to properly regulate powerful emotions when drunk). Recurrent excitation feedback means that brain signals that would normally be lessened/reduced as a result of normal negative feedback loop functional activity instead not only continues but rapidly begins to feed on itself and ever strengthen the signal. This is, in terribly simple terms, the basis of what causes the psychedelic effects... stuff like seeing patterns that aren't there, increased perception of detail, the blending of senses and perceptions, etc.

So, take a drug that works like that, via disinhibition and recurrent feedback excitation (both of which lead to excess excitation) and combine it with a drug that increases the potential for that excitation to occur, and you wind up potentiating the psychedelic's ef…
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Hamilton Darryway - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 11:28:00 EST ID:5TNGJdhs No.892703 Ignore Report Reply
>dissociatives generally decrease the amount of neuronal firing and communication between networks of neurons in the brain, and Piracetam functions effectively the opposite by increasing the firing/communication

**both do this essentially through glutamate is what is important
Hedda Honeybanks - Tue, 09 Oct 2018 08:35:40 EST ID:Z5NewyJ5 No.892724 Ignore Report Reply
Thanks for verifying what i basiclly thought but in very educated way. Next trip ill take some pricetam before my psy dose. Do you have any suggestions as to how many mg of piracetam to take and how many hours/minutes before say dropping a tab of LSD?

So since piretam lowers /dis/ is there something i can take to potentiate /dis/ to maybe make up for the loss? Not talking about DXM and DPH here im saying like ketamine and 3 ho pcp type stuff

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Caroline Dallersane - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 23:20:37 EST ID:eYoTp4MN No.892664
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Hello /PSY/ I'm doing shrooms for the 4th time this upcoming week. Been going through a lot of serious depression/breakup/death stuff so I know it's a great time for it.
I've been googling a little bit, I searched the whole catalog but I figured it'd be a good idea to ask you guys how you normally ingest your shrooms?
Last time I did shrooms I got a pretty bad case of nausea and was shitting for like half of it - not the worst time because the floor tiles were doing some nice things but not great either. I plan on fasting the day before to help detox my body a little cos I'm a fat.
TL;DR: I know tea is an option, sounds pretty disgusting. I normally just eat them, the last trip I tried the lemon juice method and it was fucking horrible. Someone suggested a peanut butter and jelly sandwich, but I have about a gram so that seems like a lot for that. Thanks
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Cyril Simmlenodging - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 13:02:14 EST ID:Jg89S9xM No.892707 Ignore Report Reply
>Thank you i appreciate it. Do you think it's a bad idea to fast day before?
If by the day before you mean not eating the entire day and then dosing after not having eaten at all, then yes, if your goal is to avoid nausea and GI tract irritation, fasting before eating shrooms is a bad idea.

When it comes to drugs that irritate and/or stimulate the GI tract, too much food, the wrong food, and not enough food are all going to lead to greater irritation of the bowels. Too much food and especially with the wrong foods will pretty much potentiate the irritation caused by the shrooms because the bowels are already somewhat upset/irritated or at least primed for irritation by the foods you've eaten, and having too much waste material still present in the intestines is just going to cause you to shit your brains out.

on the other hand, no food at all means that the shrooms make more direct contact with a far greater surface area of the intestinal lining, making them terribly irritated and causing you to shit your brains out, only with less waste material to work with, so think more along the lines of pretty much pissing out of your asshole or having very watery diarrhea and lots of dense gas pockets leading to uncomfortable bloating and farting.

the key is moderation, and eating the right foods. the suggestion from anon above about natural fibrous foods and whatnot was a good one. let's say you wake up around 7am and plan to take your shrooms around 6pm. just eat breakfast and lunch like normal, and then around 4:30pm, have a rather light supper composed of food you tolerate well. think of it as a larger than average snack, or about half(ish) a normal meal.

it's just the same when taking any other drug that causes GI issues. having a light meal about an hour and a half before taking it is usually the best way to dose
Billy Sastard - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 13:32:35 EST ID:+sudFwwv No.892708 Ignore Report Reply
Yeah what this guy said.

I personally recommend plant-based/vegan diet before you take the shrooms.
John Blunningworth - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 22:13:07 EST ID:eYoTp4MN No.892720 Ignore Report Reply
Thanks so much guys, I have been eating pretty good these past few days. Having to have kind of a lot of caffeine unfortunately today, had some rather gross shits but feeling pretty confident about this whole thing. Thanks again for your help.

Still, just eating the shrooms is everyone go lol?

Thank you! I am going to try this, thanks very much especially if this helps.

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buttchugejuice - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 10:43:27 EST ID:WQJc6YdP No.892611
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when people say take 5htp after mdma it makes me cringe. first off isnt tryptophan better than 5htp due to the crossing the blood brain barrier thing and no depletion of b6. but like wouldnt better than tryptophan be smoking dmt or maybe taking aya?
Clara Honeydale - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 10:42:53 EST ID:3d8ixpgU No.892635 Ignore Report Reply
how did you even make the jump from taking supplements that are precursors to serotonin that are capable of crossing the BBB to using a psychedelic drug instead in their place? like, what was your thought process on this exactly? genuinely asking, not trying to insinuate anything by it, but to better understand your thoughts here.

as for whether l-tryptophan or 5-htp is better to take to try and restore brain levels of serotonin, you're not quite on the mark. deciding which is better to use requires the consideration of several factors. 5-htp has superior permeability of, and can therefore more effectively and easily pass through, the blood-brain barrier. L-tryptophan's permeability depends on the overall levels of other branch chain amino acids (which it is one itself) in the blood, and even under optimal conditions it isn't capable of passing through the BBB as effectively as 5-htp does. That said, L-Tryptophan is 2 steps away from becoming serotonin, while 5-htp is simply one step away... itself being the product of the first step after tryptophan is metabolized before becoming serotonin.

So, any l-tryptophan you take is going to HAVE to be metabolized into 5-htp within the brain before it can become serotonin regardless. Taking this into consideration alone points to 5-htp being the superior choice. Something important to know here, though, is that serotonin has functions outside of the brain/CNS and receptors are actually expressed in much greater numbers outside the brain than inside it (mostly in the gut). The liver is capable of metabolizing both l-tryptophan and 5-htp in the overall process toward them becoming serotonin, so it's important to consider the fact that the more of either of these substances is metabolized in the liver, the less is available to be metabolized in the brain (which, serotonin isn't capable of permeating the BBB, which is why taking a chemical precursor to it that can is required to achieve any rise of brain serotonin levels). The more quickly more of a substance can cross into the brain, the greater the amount of a serotonin will be produced inside it. L-tryptophan, unlike 5-htp, is also used in a few other chemical metabolic pathway…
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John Clullerhood - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 14:34:27 EST ID:yvZaU0CG No.892710 Ignore Report Reply
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Dmt excretion taken with maoi as ayahuasca is like 68%, what is the body doing with the rest of it? It also concentrates itself in your brain I'm pretty sure. I'm looking for where I read that.

This is OP. I guess I didnt read enough online and made some radical conclusions XD

I made the jump because i guess I thought dmt could be turned into serotonin in the body.
John Clullerhood - Mon, 08 Oct 2018 16:08:10 EST ID:yvZaU0CG No.892714 Ignore Report Reply
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Btw thanks for all the info

Bump. I guess I nb the last one

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Nicholas Clapperhall - Sat, 15 Sep 2018 15:02:11 EST ID:1l19Vq8q No.892179
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Anyone have experience with nutmeg? best ways to get it down
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Molly Beddlewill - Fri, 21 Sep 2018 18:32:59 EST ID:DJUmvNDM No.892312 Ignore Report Reply
This belongs in /deli/ so nb. but I can help you. I've tried it, and it's not as bad as people say if you don't take too much. I took four teaspoons of pre-ground nutmeg and got a pleasant, long lasting high. It felt more like marijuana than it did diphenhydramine, but it had elements of both. It made my eyes red and my mouth dry but the side effects didn't bother me. I didn't have any closed or open eyed visuals, it was just a relaxed stoned feeling.

I have tried it a few times, and the only negative experience I had was when I took a higher dose (2 TBSP if I recall? I had a tolerance which builds quickly). Rather than get high, I just vomited and then didn't feel anything.

So go ahead, down 4 TEAspoons of nutmeg with some milk and see how it affects you.
Caroline Dallersane - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 22:49:03 EST ID:eYoTp4MN No.892663 Ignore Report Reply
Fucking dead.
Charles Pommlebidging - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 23:46:08 EST ID:RBAoI089 No.892665 Ignore Report Reply
there is a nutmeg with a lacy outer shell, the shell is supposed to be waht is best. From some amazon wherever. But anyway, If one is prone to seizurers or heart conditions, whatever, thus may be the router to get there. Naw, makes your head feel like crappy semi-cinfusion, some energy with exhaustion from a moment to another. Mostly dizziness. I would or did take paper towel parts and swallow them like as much as I could. Like 8 of em 10 whatever. Like more than a few teaspoons. Doesn't matter, it basically makes you feel crappy and by no means is it one to say, try it once thing. The taste stays forever, if you do get the effects, you will see things distorted, no doubt, there are methods like person said to activate it, but in short time while you are high, you will likely be wishing you would come off it and feel not dizzy. Not remotely worth perusing.

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Shit Grandshaw - Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:25:21 EST ID:mUHsINtZ No.892547
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Sup y'all
Found these Aminitas and was wondering your opinions on them. Muscaria or Frosteria? Can I eat them, if so how much to trip? Also the large one has a ring on it but broke off if that helps at all.
Thanks a lot!
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Fucking Crubberworth - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 14:42:21 EST ID:Pq1crNMa No.892574 Ignore Report Reply
' God !!Bwteoy2D - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 14:43:16 EST ID:Pq1crNMa No.892575 Ignore Report Reply
Not muscaria, dunno buot the other but possibly pantherina?
Martha Fisslebanks - Sat, 06 Oct 2018 01:36:52 EST ID:uITjevIk No.892647 Ignore Report Reply
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just ask on shroomery if you haven't already.
the annoying thing ive found w/ amanitas is how much variation in info there is. Some sources say only A. Muscaria is ok. Others say A. Frostiana, Gematta, and/or Pantherina contain muscimol and ibotenic acid too. Are they "safe?" Maybe.

But then the problem with those last two is they can look similar to A. phalloides which'll kill you. All of which leads to >>892563 and >>892573. you get someone going "this yellowish one will kill you, stay away!"
but then *this* one looks kinda like **that** one, and awhile later you find ***that*** one looks like **that** one even if its still different from *that* one.
Anyway, gl, have shoosh.

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Ernest Sunnernatch - Sat, 29 Sep 2018 23:03:05 EST ID:pHlDuz3J No.892510
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Should I take LSD right now?
Yes or no?
Dubs decides
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Martin Cappersad - Mon, 01 Oct 2018 09:13:14 EST ID:igHBjQxM No.892543 Ignore Report Reply

Yeah, heavy Psy use can cause psychosis and schizotypal tendencies in otherwise ordinary people.
Acid Head - Mon, 01 Oct 2018 14:27:28 EST ID:SHz9ILt+ No.892548 Ignore Report Reply
smoke it
Fuck Hinderham - Fri, 05 Oct 2018 03:23:12 EST ID:Fh9hbd1t No.892630 Ignore Report Reply
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Yes anon, inner light

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Barnaby Simblestock - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 09:04:37 EST ID:4bUlI98N No.892570
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Was thinking about getting a shroom grow kit online. I’m from the Uk so I was just wondering what the best websites to order from are? And possibly types of shroom suggestions? I think I’m only familiar with golden teachers which I’ve done quite a few times about 4 yrs ago and they were pretty nice.
Barnaby Simblestock - Tue, 02 Oct 2018 11:06:53 EST ID:4bUlI98N No.892571 Ignore Report Reply
Billy Sastard - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 06:04:30 EST ID:eVNAnGDs No.892594 Ignore Report Reply
space shrooms from avalonmagicplants
Eliza Dazzlestock - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 23:29:46 EST ID:8mMCWKbz No.892624 Ignore Report Reply
a real life smoopity doopity bop

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Michael - Wed, 26 Sep 2018 17:51:10 EST ID:QNraVfTB No.892426
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with respect to brain structures...there was a taima wiki entry on it or something...some echelons of hallucinations and describing why they appear that way...does anyone have a link?
Eliza Grimwill - Thu, 27 Sep 2018 12:37:56 EST ID:bbnRawmA No.892447 Ignore Report Reply
Are you talking about 8A and 8B geometry? Here are the Psychonaut wiki links for that:


misha - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 01:42:02 EST ID:QNraVfTB No.892586 Ignore Report Reply
YES. Thank you sir.
Charlotte Banderdale - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 18:14:03 EST ID:E1xJkrHb No.892618 Ignore Report Reply
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Some interesting reads, the levels of psychedelic geometry are explained very well under - https://psychonautwiki.org/wiki/Geometry

I can relate to each level distinctively based on the quantity and type of psychedelic, for instance on large doses of LSD I've only really been able to reach "Level 6. Partially overriding visual perception" whilst on a heavy dose of shrooms I've easily reached "Level 7. Fully overriding visual perception" being that feeling of stepping into another realm, but not so much 8A or 8B.

However even on average doses which sits at about Level 4 or 5, it seems possible to experience some of the fundamentals of an 8A or 8B level experience just without the geometric visual representation e.g. thinking and feeling the universal flow of energy as opposed to also seeing all of it cover your peripheral vision.

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Caroline Habblewell - Fri, 28 Sep 2018 10:39:21 EST ID:70TsjiA5 No.892477
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Have you dealt with and/or are currently dealing with psychotic thought that extends beyond the confines of a psychedelic experience? How do you deal with it personally?

I had an unspeakably horrible experience on psychs and my mind was taking this experience as truth for months on end. It's getting easier to deal with but I still find it difficult to remain rooted to reality when I have certain thoughts. It's like the recursive loops that I was subjected too during the trip didn't really end and it rendered me incredibly terrorfied for months after the fact. I blame myself because I went into psycs without doing the appropriate research beforehand.
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Rebecca Worthingforth - Wed, 03 Oct 2018 22:30:23 EST ID:DcX/tOtn No.892609 Ignore Report Reply
the thing is, you can't know. you'll never know, because all we can do is live presently
Matilda Femmleridge - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:10:50 EST ID:uXRaaMGz No.892615 Ignore Report Reply
>You obviously haven't been psychotic enough.
Uh, sure, you're probably right then I guess? Half of the episodes were highly acute, lasting only 1-2 days, with the remainder being 4-7 days.The closest I've been to a longer episode than that was what happened to me over the course of taking 3-meo-pcp daily at moderate/small doses... which in my experience is just a perfect storm of delusion-prone thoughts and mania to fuel it all.
Matilda Femmleridge - Thu, 04 Oct 2018 16:12:19 EST ID:uXRaaMGz No.892616 Ignore Report Reply
meant to say that it's what happened when i took 3-meo daily for 2 months

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