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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated April 10)
Research chems Ignore Report Reply
Augustus Chiblingway - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 03:56:07 EST ID:VpkpNXl0 No.893316
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What are some good research chemicals to start out with and what are some interesting/different ones?
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Samuel Shakefoot - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 04:35:35 EST ID:wCKpjoz6 No.893317 Ignore Report Reply
>>893316
Bettee stick to classical psychedelics, that were thoroughly researched and are safe.
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Oliver Buzzcocke - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 06:51:27 EST ID:KeLUKO5y No.893322 Ignore Report Reply
>>893317
Better*
*self-fix*
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Lydia Sullyhall - Tue, 13 Nov 2018 19:20:38 EST ID:cXOay0h2 No.893332 Ignore Report Reply
>>893316
Look up 1P-LSD and do your own research. It's unregulated and indistinguishable from the real thing. Great if you don't want to deal with TOR or darknet markets.
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chocobo - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 04:12:59 EST ID:uxTeVAIf No.893338 Ignore Report Reply
if you only want psy then

>4 aco dmt is 90 % mushies 10% "something else" imo

>4 ho mipt is like mushies and lsd had a baby but body load is intense, so are the visuals

> 5 meo mipt super visual no body load an you can dose like 5mg in the middle of a trip and itl boost visuals significantly

>ALD52 my favorite LSD

got some others but too lazy to type
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Caroline Hinningbury - Wed, 14 Nov 2018 14:13:27 EST ID:sFQnZjK+ No.893351 Ignore Report Reply
>>893332
Not everyone is from the US, friend. 1P-LSD is regulated in many parts of the world. OP, research local laws before you do something potentially stupid. If you're lucky you're from the US or another country that does not regulate it. Be vary of the fact that even if the law does not mention 1P-LSD explicitly, it might still be covered by "analogue" laws, which outlaw a certain substance and its analogues, and since 1P is an analogue of LSD, it could be covered by such a law.
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Augustus Brookforth - Fri, 16 Nov 2018 19:42:28 EST ID:b3wy5aXd No.893385 Ignore Report Reply
>>893338


2nding ALD52
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Alice Bashstick - Sat, 17 Nov 2018 22:43:17 EST ID:xgBR3yOl No.893412 Ignore Report Reply
>>893338
How would you describe the differences between 1P and ALD-52? ALD is always a little more expensive on the sites i buy from just wondering what qualifies that little bump in price
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Augustus Bullerheck - Sun, 18 Nov 2018 04:00:01 EST ID:NglblkE1 No.893415 Ignore Report Reply
1P-LSD and 4-AcO-DMT are solid substitutes for LSD and shrooms respectively because of how similar they are in experience and structure. I suppose 4-AcO-DMT would be better to start off with since everybody seems to believe shrooms are a better starter than LSD i guess.

DPT is my favorite psychedelic though. It's closely related to DMT, with the methyl group being replaced by a propyl group instead. Most people describe it as being very unique and strange for a psychedelic... maybe that's why it clicked with me so well,. You snort it (oral is a waste of an ROA in my experience and don't fuck with trying to smoke it because the vaporization temp and burning temp are too close to one another to be capable of getting anything out of it at all) and within 5 minutes you're already tripping harder than a majority of psychedelics you could take, and by 20-45 minutes in you're peaking (not that you can easily tell because the ascent is so rapid that you lose the ability to easily gauge when you get there). It lasts about a solid 3-4 hours with an additional 3 to 5 hours of afterglow following that.
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' God !!Bwteoy2D - Sun, 18 Nov 2018 15:02:01 EST ID:U7QgNVKO No.893424 Ignore Report Reply
>>893412
ALD is a bit more spiritual.
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Fuck Pickshaw - Tue, 20 Nov 2018 09:32:03 EST ID:TgUMLE8/ No.893451 Ignore Report Reply
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>>893338
>4 ho mipt is like mushies and lsd had a baby but body load is intense, so are the visuals

Exactly this, tried Miprocin last weekend with 50mg fumerate orally. Wow, what a ride! The body load was disturbingly strong and my stomach was turning to the motion of the visuals like getting sea sick from the movement of the waves. The visuals itself were intense, vision was phasing in and out of colourful geometric landscapes, spiralling, ornate and morphed very easily depending on distance/FOV, but there is some control in terms of removing yourself from zoning out completely.

Found myself walking around my house mumbling random thoughts running through loops one after eachother and staring at objects, not sure what I was doing or wanted to do. Very little negative emotions attached, besides temporary insanity, but within about 2 hours after the peak it dissipated. Very short trip, about 6 hours, but the on-set is a little too quick for my liking, there isn't much time to adjust and along with the nausea it can be a bit overwhelming. Kicks in within 20 minutes and an hour later you're in the deep end.

Glad I discovered this substance, a great alternative to psilocybin mushies
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Emma Gurryfene - Thu, 22 Nov 2018 12:04:39 EST ID:TThgpdEf No.893478 Ignore Report Reply
>>893451
4-HO-MET is another good one, similar to this but not quite as heavy on the body.
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Jack Pockforth - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 14:33:48 EST ID:brPY6JzU No.893513 Ignore Report Reply
>>893415
What's your recommendation dose-wise for DPT? Ive read really inconsistent things
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Jack Wingersare - Mon, 26 Nov 2018 08:31:44 EST ID:ArlfOy4h No.893563 Ignore Report Reply
if you decide to try 1p-lsd be careful, 100ug dose was chill experience but 200ug wrecked me totally (in a good way tho). maybe it was because i added 30mg 4-aco-met one hour into 1p. couldnt see shit and my memory is all together very hazy of the peak.
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Shitting Nicklebork - Mon, 26 Nov 2018 13:38:33 EST ID:EE4R5W4v No.893567 Ignore Report Reply
>>893563
Doubt it was the 1P-LSD bud, it's a very erotic, stimulating and forgiving substance. Never had a bad trip on it from the several times I've taken it, even had an amazing experience on 600ug and added 20mg of 4-ho-mipt to sweeten the trip 4 hours in.

I think the adding 30mg of metacetin may have "wrecked" you, you most likely peaked at the same time as the 1p since the on-set is extremely quick and peaks within 2 hours.
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Hamilton Worthingman - Wed, 28 Nov 2018 02:52:32 EST ID:hEB00BZ3 No.893580 Ignore Report Reply
hey OP I can say I DEFINITELY recommend ald-52. first acid experience and best acid experience. Pryed open my third eye. 4-aco-dmt is also nice but kinda fucking weird, its like shrooms with less visuals or atleast cleaner feeling ones. I've heard good things about allylescaline and I've always wanted to try that tbh.
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Thomas Dogglenurk - Wed, 28 Nov 2018 03:03:48 EST ID:87PH5l8t No.893581 Ignore Report Reply
>>893567
Yeah, next time I'm not gonna make that combo... Or if I do, I take metacetin hours later. It wasn't a bad trip per se but maybe a bit too intense, as I wasn't prepared. How was your 600ug trip, if I may ask?
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Ebenezer Drammermotch - Wed, 28 Nov 2018 12:47:45 EST ID:AGFEpx8Q No.893582 Ignore Report Reply
>>893581
I get what you mean, tryptamine analogs come up a little too quick and strong for me and although it may not give you a bad trip, the intensity is off putting (not to mention the nausea). Whereas the lysergamide rc's are slow and uplifting with an equally strong peak, it's just that the come-up eases you into over a few hours and makes the journey more comforting.

The 1P trip was really awesome thanks for asking! About 10 hours in I was exhausted. Ended up eventually dozing off 12 hours later at around 4am once it wore off. I had quite an outlandish experience whilst meditating and listening to binaural beats on my headphones in the dark around the same time the 4-ho-mipt peaked.

Patterns were multi-layered and I could visually see my thoughts dissipate into the waves of tribal patterns flowing in over my eyes, my body felt like it was morphing in accordance with the flow and I was able to just let everything go. All the stress I held in my face, shoulders & my back just went away and I could only feel the energy flowing through me. I've always loved 1P's patterns, they have this 3D shimmer to them as if there's light cast onto the patterns at an angle, it makes them look uniquely real.
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Clara Chebberwell - Thu, 29 Nov 2018 11:50:21 EST ID:028A0SDe No.893597 Ignore Report Reply
>>893582
Sounds awesome. Those visuals sound vaguely familiar.

Now Im gonna have a month break at least and then im probably gonna try 400-600ug dose myself without mixing it with anything (maybe weed/benzos on comedown, but no tryptamine combos this time...)
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Basil Wangerbedging - Sat, 01 Dec 2018 17:47:18 EST ID:nmbovpv/ No.893633 Ignore Report Reply
ald-52, eth-lad, 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-met, 2c-t-7
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Phyllis Blozzleson - Fri, 07 Dec 2018 20:18:28 EST ID:PpDcV0g1 No.893787 Ignore Report Reply
Gonna try 200mcg AL-LAD tomorrow. Only psych I've done was 100mcg ALD-52 2 weeks ago. Is the jump too high?
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Priscilla Sebblecocke - Sat, 08 Dec 2018 06:42:36 EST ID:VYndXiMP No.893794 Ignore Report Reply
>>893787
Not at all, aladdin is slightly milder than ald-52 imo. Usually you'll find them in 150ug tabs though.
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Molly Bardworth - Sat, 08 Dec 2018 07:04:20 EST ID:02A+C6rV No.893795 Ignore Report Reply
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Have you ever tried DMT?
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Molly Bardworth - Sat, 08 Dec 2018 07:30:33 EST ID:02A+C6rV No.893796 Ignore Report Reply
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>>893795
I reply to myself. DMT is great. You can smoke it (as usual), snort it, or take it orally with an MAOi of course.

I recommend other methods from the oral method for various reasons.

It makes you not wanna be a junkie though in my experience. I feel bad for all of y'all with the 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met fever.

Sucks to not have real mushies, or psilocyin (4-ho-dmt).

Goodluck on your quests though all of you. Just make sure to be fucking stupid and believe what all your vendors say about their products and continue to post here about how you tried whatever molecule even though you have no idea what the fuck you are ingesting.
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Sidney Blandleforth - Sat, 08 Dec 2018 09:41:40 EST ID:bDYMg8HY No.893797 Ignore Report Reply
>>893796
Why don't you recommend oral DMT? Personally that's my favorite way to do it. IME it's the only way to truly experience all it has to offer.
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Oliver Fengerham - Sun, 09 Dec 2018 20:19:55 EST ID:kzssbFSG No.893827 Ignore Report Reply
Here's what I've tried and would recommend:

>4-ho-mipt
>5-meo-dalt
>4-aco-dmt (basically shrooms)
>ETH-LAD

Wouldn't recommend anything in the NBOMe or NBOH series and I didn't like any of the mescaline analogues.

Also not psychs but I've done O-PCE, DCK, 4-FA and 6-APB and I'd recommend all of them
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Frederick Geblingfoot - Sun, 09 Dec 2018 21:17:51 EST ID:PpDcV0g1 No.893828 Ignore Report Reply
>>893794
Took one and about a fourth to a third of a tab and it was a good time. Lot of bright purple and green visuals on peak.
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Cedric Possleneck - Sun, 09 Dec 2018 21:54:44 EST ID:U6cph6Y5 No.893829 Ignore Report Reply
>>893796
Are you retarded? There are vendors with track records of sending out chems that buyers have verified with energy control
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George Ciggleway - Wed, 12 Dec 2018 12:11:37 EST ID:1ves+6vl No.893885 Ignore Report Reply
>>893796
Who says we don't have access to mushrooms, psilocin or even DMT? There are a number of legit online vendors I've used who sell a variety of grow kits for different strains, also DMT extraction is a hobby I enjoy once a year.

The thing about RCs is that they are legal in my country which is a big fucking deal especially if you're privy to doing sketchy deals to get a couple tabs of acid or few grams of weak shrooms with potential to spend the night in a slammer or get ripped off for nbomes.Every RC I've tried from 4 different vendors have been legit with no problems getting through customs and the substances can be tested with reagents if you're feeling uneasy about taking them.

Stay up on that high horse of yours that's been smoking way too much DMT to realize that there are alternative psychedelics that work just as well in more convenient ways for different situations.
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' God !!vVWR8L52 - Wed, 12 Dec 2018 20:58:38 EST ID:AP9CBjKi No.893903 Ignore Report Reply
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>>893797
vaped is more lucid and usually more visual and clearheaded just like green. less muddy, more transparent.

admittedly oral aya can go way further due to the mechanics of administration. still id prefer iv for a massive end of the world trip.
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Fuck Dankinhut - Wed, 12 Dec 2018 21:12:14 EST ID:PpDcV0g1 No.893907 Ignore Report Reply
>>893827
Have you tried AL-LAD? How does ETH compare to it?
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Edward Nicklespear - Wed, 12 Dec 2018 23:11:49 EST ID:ROQI7hpe No.893911 Ignore Report Reply
>>893903
But even IV would only last for a 1-3 hours. Oral still feels pretty clear to me. Honestly I think the intensity gradient it goes is more gentle and easy to accept. From what I've read true ayahuasca vs mimosa the true ayahuasca sounds more gentle. Probably due to fewer analogs present but who knows. Still I think it peaks higher than vaped regardless of dose. I mean how would you vape 500mg and ingest god knows how more by way of analogs?


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