/psy/ Psychedelic Discussion
What are some good research chemicals to start out with and what are some interesting/different ones?
>>893316Bettee stick to classical psychedelics, that were thoroughly researched and are safe.
>>893316Look up 1P-LSD and do your own research. It's unregulated and indistinguishable from the real thing. Great if you don't want to deal with TOR or darknet markets.
if you only want psy then>4 aco dmt is 90 % mushies 10% "something else" imo>4 ho mipt is like mushies and lsd had a baby but body load is intense, so are the visuals> 5 meo mipt super visual no body load an you can dose like 5mg in the middle of a trip and itl boost visuals significantly>ALD52 my favorite LSDgot some others but too lazy to type
>4 aco dmt is 90 % mushies 10% "something else" imo
>4 ho mipt is like mushies and lsd had a baby but body load is intense, so are the visuals
> 5 meo mipt super visual no body load an you can dose like 5mg in the middle of a trip and itl boost visuals significantly
>ALD52 my favorite LSD
>>893332Not everyone is from the US, friend. 1P-LSD is regulated in many parts of the world. OP, research local laws before you do something potentially stupid. If you're lucky you're from the US or another country that does not regulate it. Be vary of the fact that even if the law does not mention 1P-LSD explicitly, it might still be covered by "analogue" laws, which outlaw a certain substance and its analogues, and since 1P is an analogue of LSD, it could be covered by such a law.
>>893338How would you describe the differences between 1P and ALD-52? ALD is always a little more expensive on the sites i buy from just wondering what qualifies that little bump in price
1P-LSD and 4-AcO-DMT are solid substitutes for LSD and shrooms respectively because of how similar they are in experience and structure. I suppose 4-AcO-DMT would be better to start off with since everybody seems to believe shrooms are a better starter than LSD i guess.DPT is my favorite psychedelic though. It's closely related to DMT, with the methyl group being replaced by a propyl group instead. Most people describe it as being very unique and strange for a psychedelic... maybe that's why it clicked with me so well,. You snort it (oral is a waste of an ROA in my experience and don't fuck with trying to smoke it because the vaporization temp and burning temp are too close to one another to be capable of getting anything out of it at all) and within 5 minutes you're already tripping harder than a majority of psychedelics you could take, and by 20-45 minutes in you're peaking (not that you can easily tell because the ascent is so rapid that you lose the ability to easily gauge when you get there). It lasts about a solid 3-4 hours with an additional 3 to 5 hours of afterglow following that.
>>893412ALD is a bit more spiritual.
>>893338>4 ho mipt is like mushies and lsd had a baby but body load is intense, so are the visualsExactly this, tried Miprocin last weekend with 50mg fumerate orally. Wow, what a ride! The body load was disturbingly strong and my stomach was turning to the motion of the visuals like getting sea sick from the movement of the waves. The visuals itself were intense, vision was phasing in and out of colourful geometric landscapes, spiralling, ornate and morphed very easily depending on distance/FOV, but there is some control in terms of removing yourself from zoning out completely.Found myself walking around my house mumbling random thoughts running through loops one after eachother and staring at objects, not sure what I was doing or wanted to do. Very little negative emotions attached, besides temporary insanity, but within about 2 hours after the peak it dissipated. Very short trip, about 6 hours, but the on-set is a little too quick for my liking, there isn't much time to adjust and along with the nausea it can be a bit overwhelming. Kicks in within 20 minutes and an hour later you're in the deep end.Glad I discovered this substance, a great alternative to psilocybin mushies
>>8934514-HO-MET is another good one, similar to this but not quite as heavy on the body.
>>893415What's your recommendation dose-wise for DPT? Ive read really inconsistent things
if you decide to try 1p-lsd be careful, 100ug dose was chill experience but 200ug wrecked me totally (in a good way tho). maybe it was because i added 30mg 4-aco-met one hour into 1p. couldnt see shit and my memory is all together very hazy of the peak.
>>893563Doubt it was the 1P-LSD bud, it's a very erotic, stimulating and forgiving substance. Never had a bad trip on it from the several times I've taken it, even had an amazing experience on 600ug and added 20mg of 4-ho-mipt to sweeten the trip 4 hours in. I think the adding 30mg of metacetin may have "wrecked" you, you most likely peaked at the same time as the 1p since the on-set is extremely quick and peaks within 2 hours.
hey OP I can say I DEFINITELY recommend ald-52. first acid experience and best acid experience. Pryed open my third eye. 4-aco-dmt is also nice but kinda fucking weird, its like shrooms with less visuals or atleast cleaner feeling ones. I've heard good things about allylescaline and I've always wanted to try that tbh.
>>893567Yeah, next time I'm not gonna make that combo... Or if I do, I take metacetin hours later. It wasn't a bad trip per se but maybe a bit too intense, as I wasn't prepared. How was your 600ug trip, if I may ask?
>>893581I get what you mean, tryptamine analogs come up a little too quick and strong for me and although it may not give you a bad trip, the intensity is off putting (not to mention the nausea). Whereas the lysergamide rc's are slow and uplifting with an equally strong peak, it's just that the come-up eases you into over a few hours and makes the journey more comforting. The 1P trip was really awesome thanks for asking! About 10 hours in I was exhausted. Ended up eventually dozing off 12 hours later at around 4am once it wore off. I had quite an outlandish experience whilst meditating and listening to binaural beats on my headphones in the dark around the same time the 4-ho-mipt peaked.Patterns were multi-layered and I could visually see my thoughts dissipate into the waves of tribal patterns flowing in over my eyes, my body felt like it was morphing in accordance with the flow and I was able to just let everything go. All the stress I held in my face, shoulders & my back just went away and I could only feel the energy flowing through me. I've always loved 1P's patterns, they have this 3D shimmer to them as if there's light cast onto the patterns at an angle, it makes them look uniquely real.
>>893582Sounds awesome. Those visuals sound vaguely familiar. Now Im gonna have a month break at least and then im probably gonna try 400-600ug dose myself without mixing it with anything (maybe weed/benzos on comedown, but no tryptamine combos this time...)
ald-52, eth-lad, 4-aco-dmt, 4-ho-met, 2c-t-7
Gonna try 200mcg AL-LAD tomorrow. Only psych I've done was 100mcg ALD-52 2 weeks ago. Is the jump too high?
>>893787Not at all, aladdin is slightly milder than ald-52 imo. Usually you'll find them in 150ug tabs though.
Have you ever tried DMT?
>>893795I reply to myself. DMT is great. You can smoke it (as usual), snort it, or take it orally with an MAOi of course. I recommend other methods from the oral method for various reasons. It makes you not wanna be a junkie though in my experience. I feel bad for all of y'all with the 4-aco-dmt and 4-ho-met fever. Sucks to not have real mushies, or psilocyin (4-ho-dmt). Goodluck on your quests though all of you. Just make sure to be fucking stupid and believe what all your vendors say about their products and continue to post here about how you tried whatever molecule even though you have no idea what the fuck you are ingesting.
>>893796Why don't you recommend oral DMT? Personally that's my favorite way to do it. IME it's the only way to truly experience all it has to offer.
Here's what I've tried and would recommend:>4-ho-mipt>5-meo-dalt>4-aco-dmt (basically shrooms)>ETH-LADWouldn't recommend anything in the NBOMe or NBOH series and I didn't like any of the mescaline analogues. Also not psychs but I've done O-PCE, DCK, 4-FA and 6-APB and I'd recommend all of them
>4-ho-mipt>5-meo-dalt>4-aco-dmt (basically shrooms)>ETH-LAD
>>893794Took one and about a fourth to a third of a tab and it was a good time. Lot of bright purple and green visuals on peak.
>>893796Are you retarded? There are vendors with track records of sending out chems that buyers have verified with energy control
>>893796Who says we don't have access to mushrooms, psilocin or even DMT? There are a number of legit online vendors I've used who sell a variety of grow kits for different strains, also DMT extraction is a hobby I enjoy once a year.The thing about RCs is that they are legal in my country which is a big fucking deal especially if you're privy to doing sketchy deals to get a couple tabs of acid or few grams of weak shrooms with potential to spend the night in a slammer or get ripped off for nbomes.Every RC I've tried from 4 different vendors have been legit with no problems getting through customs and the substances can be tested with reagents if you're feeling uneasy about taking them.Stay up on that high horse of yours that's been smoking way too much DMT to realize that there are alternative psychedelics that work just as well in more convenient ways for different situations.
>>893797vaped is more lucid and usually more visual and clearheaded just like green. less muddy, more transparent.admittedly oral aya can go way further due to the mechanics of administration. still id prefer iv for a massive end of the world trip.
>>893827Have you tried AL-LAD? How does ETH compare to it?
>>893903But even IV would only last for a 1-3 hours. Oral still feels pretty clear to me. Honestly I think the intensity gradient it goes is more gentle and easy to accept. From what I've read true ayahuasca vs mimosa the true ayahuasca sounds more gentle. Probably due to fewer analogs present but who knows. Still I think it peaks higher than vaped regardless of dose. I mean how would you vape 500mg and ingest god knows how more by way of analogs?
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