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Psilocybin to scramble the brains of insects

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- Fri, 23 Nov 2018 13:30:52 EST ajjFpd3Z No.893509
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https://bigthink.com/surprising-science/how-magic-mushrooms-evolved?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3S75vIB9YCQAlngPzBMKo0tq1wOhWJwYhY60A25EtrjYT5yR5VCDUVm0Y#Echobox=1542928011

What do you think about this?
In short: it's about the theory, that psilocybin was evolved by the fungi to ward off insects from eating them by scrambling their brains.
I've had the classic LSD experience of melting into the oneness of all (as i'm sure many of you have had the same). Does this make all of the spiritual experiences with psychedelics just wishful thinking?

I dunno myself. If nothing else, it speaks of the strange intelligence the fungi possess, that we have yet to understand.

Though, the experience of pure awareness doesn't seem at all lessened by this.

I'm almost terrified to post this, considering the attitude many people on /psy have
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David Pazzlewill - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 14:11:09 EST 4Kk3JT3E No.893510 Reply
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I've definitely had the scramble effect on DMT before
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John Chellydock - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 14:14:52 EST xEhkcVzi No.893511 Reply
>>893509
Seems like a plausible explanation. That's how most of our hypotheses toward plant-based alkaloids we get high on or otherwise imbibe usually sound (not without merit). Caffeine is a pretty good example too.
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Lydia Parrybury - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 14:58:45 EST 7ybtrJEe No.893515 Reply
I don't think insects have the right neurobio to have their brains scrambled by those indoles. They don't have the receptors n sheeit.
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Alice Semblekit - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 15:04:08 EST ajjFpd3Z No.893516 Reply
>>893509
Also my thoughts: why it would be better to scramble their brains, instead of just killing them?
Maybe the insects are somehow beneficial to the fungal organism and just making them confused would be better in the long run
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Alice Semblekit - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 15:05:50 EST ajjFpd3Z No.893517 Reply
>>893515
Well, they've shown, that antidepressants also work on lobsters by making them more confident
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Alice Semblekit - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 15:08:10 EST ajjFpd3Z No.893519 Reply
>>893517
We might be surprisingly similar to other lifeforms, that seem so very different to us.
Especially social ones
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Nicholas Brebberhood - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 18:00:45 EST Q4/VxU1s No.893520 Reply
I tell you what scrambles my brain. Huffing nitrous oxide or drinking alcohol. Psilocybin feels like a fucking technology rewiring my organism. Materialist reductionists don't get it.
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Nicholas Brebberhood - Fri, 23 Nov 2018 18:01:52 EST Q4/VxU1s No.893521 Reply
Like that this thing is even brought up for debate shows how numb people can be if they assume psilocybin is just a random poison.
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Frederick Blummledet - Sat, 24 Nov 2018 00:10:06 EST LywZUfmH No.893522 Reply
No shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. Of course that's what psychedelics are for.

And of course, it'd feature fucking fractals and feedback loops because biology is just math made with flesh.
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Alice Hungerdale - Sat, 24 Nov 2018 07:16:05 EST ozEt2IaF No.893528 Reply
>>893509
Seems likely that the psychedelic compound itself would be some sort of defense mechanism. I highly doubt the psilocybin is in there just for humans to find and trip balls on. How does this speak of "fungi intelligence" though? I see no intelligence, it's the same as any other case of plants or fungi having substances in them that are supposed to ward off animals that eat them. Does the poison in poison ivy speak of ivy intelligence? For that matter, do the spikes on cacti speak of cacti intelligence? We might as well call all defense mechanisms intelligent, fungi aren't special in that sense.
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Alice Hungerdale - Sat, 24 Nov 2018 07:21:34 EST ozEt2IaF No.893529 Reply
>>893515
Of course insects have receptors, how did you think their nervous system works? Through magic? Obviously their ganglion based nervous system is a far cry from an ape brain but psychoactive substances can definitely have an effect on it. Haven't you ever seen those videos where they gave spiders different kinds of drugs and watched them make completely different webs than they normally would? Spiders aren't insects per se, but both insects and arachnids are arthropods, meaning their nervous systems aren't too different.

Sorry for double post, nb
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Edward Dorringkad - Sat, 24 Nov 2018 09:19:51 EST MU5DQUTc No.893530 Reply
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>>893529
> Haven't you ever seen those videos where they gave spiders different kinds of drugs and watched them make completely different webs than they normally would?
yeah this is real science
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Hamilton Famblepore - Sat, 24 Nov 2018 10:58:10 EST ajjFpd3Z No.893531 Reply
>>893528
You're right, it really doesn't. I worded that foolishly. It MADE ME WONDER about the fungal intelligence.

Also some time ago i watched paul stamets (a mycologist) talking about mushroom intelligence and it definitely convinced me, that fungi are indeed really extraordinary organisms.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPqWstVnRjQ
I recommend watching this, if you have a couple of hours

Well.. The effects of psilocybin are pretty damn strange. Should it even be compared to the poison of poison ivy?

You make some good arguments and i might be completely wrong
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Graham Chommlesock - Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:40:37 EST bwTXY6BL No.893557 Reply
>>893515
the author was a but if a retarded faggot wiih the way he described its effects on nsects. the idea isnt that it actually causes the ants to trip, but that the various other peripheral stimulatory effects cause damage to them and even possibly death. that was why i mentioned caffeine and its proposed hypothesis for for being integrated into plant biology as a natural insecticide too in my first post.

Actually, fuck it. I've been up for 2 days on meth now, so i decided to ybin and psilocin would be effective at wrecking some insects shit and be effective go ahead and look the function of serotonin in insects and found a study focusing on some subsection of insects i dont give a fuck about because the results prove psilocybin and psilocin would be effective at wrecking some insects shit making this a plenty plausible explanation.

Source:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5544185/
Several serotonin receptors are implicated in this, but overall sertonin serves to regulate olfactory learning, memory, and gustatory habits in insects. In particular, 5-HT2A was investigated in this state and found to be highly significant in these behaviors in insects.

I nean, why would the actual scientists who performed collaborated all the evidence suggesting what's said in OPs article if they without even checking or knowing if insects even HAVE 5-HT receptors in the first place? Like I said, the writer was sounds like some uninformed pleb so it's hard to not be suspicious of idea as a result, but use some common sense guys.
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Graham Chommlesock - Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:41:45 EST bwTXY6BL No.893558 Reply
>>893557
fuck, a signiicant chunk of my post was overwritten. i said fuck it i decided to look up a study to check myself
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Graham Chommlesock - Sun, 25 Nov 2018 22:43:48 EST bwTXY6BL No.893559 Reply
>>893557
also, jesus, the world salad is is strong in this post. guess i oughta actually try to fuckin sleep. normally i dont get this bad at typing
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Hedda Maffingman - Sat, 27 Apr 2019 22:11:30 EST u8xrGcni No.895083 Reply
>>893509
Have lost mind on 4gram cubensis trip while my friend mind was being scrambled by psychic pokemon. Go with the flow god can’t hurt you
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Walter Sacklewudging - Sat, 27 Apr 2019 23:02:21 EST LywZUfmH No.895084 Reply
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No shit all spiritual experiences on psychedelics are wishful thinking.

THE WISHFUL THINKING MATERIALISING IN HALLUCINATIONS IS THE BASIS OF THE PSYCHEDELIC EXPERIENCE NIIIIGGGGGGGGGGGGGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!

Just because something's artificial doesn't mean it's not real.
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NotSlaimShadyAtAll - Mon, 29 Apr 2019 15:59:18 EST bswic2N0 No.895105 Reply
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>>895084
nigggggggggggggggggggggga, man ofc true shit from the nature and the classic LSD is better, this "Copys" have some chemicals very bad for your health, and this "copys" have more chance to get a bad trip. so , ye their worse.
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Nell Nuvinghetch - Mon, 29 Apr 2019 16:38:28 EST c28xVEoX No.895111 Reply
I believe it but don't really care considering that's exactly the same story as caffeine.
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Jenny Pendlehall - Mon, 29 Apr 2019 21:28:36 EST u8xrGcni No.895119 Reply
>>895111
Assuming all drugs, pharm or “natural” don’t already effect dopamine/serotonin receptors negativity. Some drugs have the added benefit of rewiring neural chemistry some drugs use a flood mechanism to overflow receptors. Most people I have ever met like either category and shit on each other’s drugs of choice if you can read into what im writing. Some ppl don’t care because they realize that drugs are drugs - no fucking shit you should be careful or at least accept what it does to one’s body
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Fuck Chabbleworth - Wed, 01 May 2019 02:23:30 EST u8xrGcni No.895141 Reply
>>895105
what if you this were true but in the same way that smoke moar faggot were true?
then what?

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