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Facing fears Ignore Report Reply
Phoebe Dartson - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 00:47:50 EST ID:U6cph6Y5 No.894178
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Can DMT or psilocybin help me with social anxiety and fear of women?
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Cedric Goffingridge - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 03:29:45 EST ID:7ybtrJEe No.894181 Ignore Report Reply
>>894178 Maybe, probably not. (sorry). iirc Most people here myself included report (other threads, look for them) that their fundamental self-view and patterns of behavior don't really change long-term. If you want to put in the effort, psilocybin can be a helpful experience and prepare you for DMT. I don't mean to overstate this but these drugs are pretty serious business. Don't get me wrong they're euphoric, ecstatic. But you might experience questions, doubts, fears, that are worse than your current problems.
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James Blatherbury - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 12:50:17 EST ID:E+OTOSyF No.894184 Ignore Report Reply
>>894178
It's possible that they could, but honestly do you believe you're capable of helping yourself with overcoming social anxiety or your fear of women? If the answer is no then taking psychedelics isn't going to be of any use toward that end.

Nothing in this world is capable of doing the actual work required of you to overcome these problems in and of themselves. Anything that could actually potentially help you won't if you don't realize and accept that the only one truly capable of improving yourself and your life situation.

If you don't believe that you are capable of helping yourself overcome your problems without the aid something else, (you know, even if that just means it might take you significantly longer to improve without that aid but eventually you'd succeed) then the any help that something like psychedelics could give you would be negated. The drugs aren't magic; no solutions outside yourself exist.
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Martin Turveyhall - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 14:57:49 EST ID:txHKHYax No.894186 Ignore Report Reply
>>894178
the only way to get good at meeting women is becoming more comfortable around them. You can learn how to read social cues and overcoming the urge to run away from uncomfortable social interactions or avoiding them altogether. Shrooms could help to point out some fixed patterns in your life stopping you from being social, but ultimately it's the habit of overcoming social anxiety that will help you the most.
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Martin Turveyhall - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 15:01:23 EST ID:txHKHYax No.894187 Ignore Report Reply
>>894186
juat to add, mediation practice will help more than taking drugs
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Lillian Cullerstuck - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 21:17:16 EST ID:Jg89S9xM No.894191 Ignore Report Reply
on the subject of you fearing women, do you mean you can't even talk to women/fear tgen in general or more specifically when it comes to trying to start a relationship or see if they're down to fuck or whatever?

why is it, do you think, that you fear women? is it something like lack of experience coupled with your anxiety, or is it something else that's deeper like mommy issues or some Freudian kind of shit like that?
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James Goodridge - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 21:51:01 EST ID:U6cph6Y5 No.894192 Ignore Report Reply
>>894187
What types of meditation? Any guides or info to research?


>>894191
I think it may be some type of deeper mommy issues, I was always a momma's boy and didn't connect with my dad the way I wish. Also, Its most prevalent with women I want a relationship or sex with but also with women I am not interested in.


>>894186
I've been trying to improve with this, I am terrible at social cues. I suspect some type of aspergers, I instinctively look away when I make eye contact a lot and I have to force myself to make eye contact in conversation
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Albert Shakelock - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 22:54:58 EST ID:yWjwcxnu No.894193 Ignore Report Reply
>>894178
I've found MDMA to be really useful for reducing social anxiety and increasing empathy in general, I think there's some studies with oromising results in that regard too. Psychedelics have helped with my overall mental health in general but not really for socialising specifically.
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James Goodridge - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 23:03:14 EST ID:U6cph6Y5 No.894194 Ignore Report Reply
>>894193
In what setting do you recommend it?
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Ian Hepperford - Tue, 12 Mar 2019 01:05:38 EST ID:7ybtrJEe No.894197 Ignore Report Reply
>>894193
>>894194
Also curious.
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William Lightman - Sun, 17 Mar 2019 09:53:03 EST ID:bpz+TENE No.894285 Ignore Report Reply
>>894178
I can speak only from my experience with psilocybin and the short answer is no and the long answer is yes.

Before my first trip I had wild expectations about psychedelics and the reality of it surpassed it all, it is the most important day of my life. Where it failed to meet the expectations is social anxiety of women in particular. My trips however and in particular one very bad trip pushed me to do daily mindfulness practice (meditation) and I see great progress in my social anxiety. So psilocybin did do that but indirectly. It showed me the way but I still have to do the hard work. I never had DMT.
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John Bimmerbury - Sun, 17 Mar 2019 15:22:32 EST ID:orOv8TrE No.894290 Ignore Report Reply
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I was not particularly fearful of interacting with women, but people in general, although I was obviously increasingly nervous to interact with girls that I found particularly attractive. I was very socially awkward and nervous for most of my young life, into my early twenties. Drugs were a huge defining factor in my overcoming social fears and learning how to properly interact with others.

I began smoking weed regularly when I was 20 or 21, and I think I was 23 when I starting tripping, taking psy cubensis several times over a year. It really opened my eyes to the way life is, and the more I tripped the more I began to see myself and how others saw me, and my place in life. It really made me gel more, if you know what I'm saying. I completely lost my social fears and pressures over time, in a way that I know would never have been possible without my many psychedelic experiences.

I don't think DMT would be so good for self-reflection, or anything that might help you overcome social anxiety and fear of interacting with people. Maybe? Not much, or nearly as much as shrooms would. If you're serious then I can help you out with dosages if you're a noob. Either way, good luck
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William Lightman - Sun, 17 Mar 2019 19:21:41 EST ID:bpz+TENE No.894291 Ignore Report Reply
>>894290
I am curious about the doses since I have experience with psilocybin (p. cubensis) and the experiences did not remove my social anxiety directly (I am the one who has to do the work). I suspect your trips were in the 3 to 5 grams dry range.
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Ernest Soffingbedge - Sun, 17 Mar 2019 21:15:17 EST ID:orOv8TrE No.894295 Ignore Report Reply
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>>894291

Yeah, I was going to suggest you take an average of 3.5 grams per trip. That's generally considered a "decent" trip for psy cubensis in my experiences and from what I've heard online. It'll take about 1.5 hours to fully come up, then you'll peak for about 3 hours, and then spend another 3ish hours coming down. It's enough for a fairly new tripper to experience some moderately heavy things.

Definitely, 3.5 grams, potentially even 4-5 grams of dried psy cubensis. I've had a lot of powerful, introspective trips on 4-5 grams. Psilocybin is considered therapeutic. Definitely.
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Nell Dommerhet - Sun, 17 Mar 2019 21:41:06 EST ID:UEuITbKI No.894297 Ignore Report Reply
>>894181>>894181
I agree, psychedelics are not something to mess around with just because you feel insecure because you cant get laid. They are a spiritual experience and should not be taken lightly. Talking from experience
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Alice Dabblehire - Mon, 18 Mar 2019 02:27:17 EST ID:bpz+TENE No.894298 Ignore Report Reply
>>894295
I've had plenty of 3.5 grams experiences and it never did with anxiety much by itself. If you look back couldn't it be your perspective (i. e. anxiety in particular) shifted after the higher (5 grams) doses?
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Cornelius Giddlemetch - Mon, 18 Mar 2019 04:07:34 EST ID:TA7peJoi No.894299 Ignore Report Reply
>>894192
bumping, because I'm in the same boat

>>894193
i've been meaning to try this for two years now. but just yesterday I saw a video from cg kid where he talked about his mdma addiction. he said something along the lines of "i thought that I wasnt quite complete yet and that taking MDMA could help me with social anxiety"
that sounds almost exactly like me and I don't want to slide down this hellhole of addiction
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Cornelius Findersit - Mon, 18 Mar 2019 07:16:54 EST ID:HILQi376 No.894300 Ignore Report Reply
lol
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Simon Saddlebury - Thu, 21 Mar 2019 07:52:07 EST ID:P2nI7+/5 No.894329 Ignore Report Reply
>>894299
Uhh, MDMA can really help you see the reasons for your social anxiety and therefore help you. Thats what happened to me while using in a therapeutic setting.
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Reuben Dankinfot - Thu, 21 Mar 2019 09:58:31 EST ID:sl7DyCSC No.894330 Ignore Report Reply
>>894329
What kind of setting and what dosage would you recommend? (155lbs/70kg)

I don't struggle with anxiety a whole that much, rather I feel fucking disconnected all the time, like I just don't belong anywhere. I have a hard time connecting on an emotional level, just not very in touch with my emotions ig
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Oliver Sizzlestock - Thu, 21 Mar 2019 20:59:42 EST ID:uXYQE65o No.894331 Ignore Report Reply
>>894330
Ideal MDMA therapy setting: In a quiet room with soft things to touch with someone you have an established therapeutic relationship to talk to.

Ideal MDMA therapy dose: 100-120mg

Do not eat for 3 hours prior to taking MDMA. Do this every 2-6 weeks for up to six sessions. Normally people will suggest doing recreational MDMA less frequently, but in my experience if you are really doing therapy the benefits of frequent sessions are worth the extra risk. MDMA therapy is great for anxiety, PTSD, and some treatment resistant depression.
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Henry Hammerstod - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 13:03:33 EST ID:EzFAU0+W No.894368 Ignore Report Reply
I used to be in the same boat, op. Psys helped me understand the roots of my fears and hangups (unrealistic expectations, cultural pressure), so they were useful in that sense. But they did t make me a ladies man.


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