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- Wed, 19 Jun 2019 00:32:50 EST +9uUVdnU No.896087
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Why when watching videos with abstract illusion after 2 minutes of viewing , the reality begins to distort ?
Is it related to the vulnerability of our matrix ? Or a side effect of our brain ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK0TDNAaiqg
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Awe' God !!Bwteoy2D - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 03:09:52 EST wZKvqv6o No.896091 Reply
>>896087
neurons are like riverbeds and thoughts(chosen pathways) are like water. if you keep using the same river beds (something moving circularly clockwise) after some time (both short and long term) water just naturally starts using those river beds.

I hope that explains it. It's a side effect of the brain for the most part.
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A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 05:26:12 EST bfB0voM7 No.896096 Reply
>>896091
Yes, but in this era of computers, isn't it easier to just explain this as the pre-processing systems that our brain uses for imaging, showing it's flaws to the user?
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Awe' God !!Bwteoy2D - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 17:26:59 EST TIB74Ymc No.896102 Reply
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>>896093
if you by "right" you mean positive, sure. Practice right thoughts words and actions. A matter of proactivity and choice.
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Caroline Hocklemeg - Thu, 20 Jun 2019 17:51:28 EST kaHbac2v No.896121 Reply
>>896114
optical illusions if OP's case can be called so are indeed flaws of our hardware.
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Awe' God !!Bwteoy2D - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 16:37:35 EST kaHbac2v No.896152 Reply
>>896150
water in this example was the neural pathways that are chosen and thus the thoughts are thought that represent those pathways. I am not sure what you mean, sir.
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Alice Wunderfuck - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 21:07:48 EST WWVcVP+8 No.896159 Reply
>>896150
Thoughts are real. Everything is real if you realize that perception can be scientifically observed via brain scans and changes in brain chemistry.
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Doris Supperkad - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 21:35:34 EST kaHbac2v No.896161 Reply
>>896159
It's interesting that you base the reality of something on it's empiric presence. I understand you need something to reflect upon to observe your own existence, but isn't it even more obvious that without the one possessing the awareness, no comings and goings possess any meaning?

Isn't the awareness the basis of reality rather than the mirror that makes it visible?
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Phyllis Bondermat - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 01:32:08 EST ReDYt1vS No.896603 Reply
>>896087
We had spinny diks that had a spiral. Seeing spirals left and right, kinda bummed what would have been a better trip. I wouldn't recommend watching visuals
for a extended period of time.
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Wesley Blashshit - Fri, 19 Jul 2019 22:47:37 EST Zjyo/kwU No.896782 Reply
Check out how the visual cortex (V1) works.


Checkerboard and such patterns over your whole sight are made by straight beams across the cortex being activated, and converted from X, Y coordinate system to radius and degree.
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Jarvis Durrycocke - Sat, 05 Oct 2019 23:49:04 EST jlcoTZD+ No.898943 Reply
Based schizo hours. Your eyes to try to adjust to the pattern by trying to 'normalize' it, then when the pattern is gone your brain overcompensates
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Awe' God !!Bwteoy2D - Mon, 07 Oct 2019 15:57:38 EST eqA4Nfhs No.898994 Reply
>>896782
You cannot say that without linking a specific video, sir.
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Betsy Piddleforth - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 12:45:58 EST ArGA6bE/ No.899053 Reply
>>898994
I don't have a video, but I can explain what he's saying. Visual input from the retina is mapped to neurons that send projections to the primary visual cortex (V1) that are received by neurons that are mapped topographically. This means they are spatially aligned adjacent to one another. What's significant here is that the retina here is a curved structure, and while the topographical map is flat and grid-like. The V1 topographic map is what he's referring to when he talks about brain activity being converted from "x,y", with the retinotopic map being what's converting to "radius and degree" (does he actually mean radians and degrees rather than radius? fuck if i know).

Since our experience of sight involves sensory integration from multiple brain structures, multiple visual cortices in particular here, any activity experienced in the V1 area that doesn't arise specifically from retinal projections will show up over our visual field that we perceive as though they actually had. This is how psychedelics cause visual geometric hallucinations. When it comes to this optical illusion, on the other hand, the visual input from the retina is what causes the experience. The high contrast between the light and shaded parts of the image combined with its patterned rotation and movement wind up affecting a process known to take place throughout the visual cortex, especially in V1, known as Normalization. Basically, the repetitive motion and the contrast of the squares or lines of the images used in these optical illusions cause the neurons to adapt in a way that results in the illusion when you look away from the image. Then, they re-normalize, which is why the illusion quickly disappears.
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Awe' God !!Bwteoy2D - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 13:12:09 EST eqA4Nfhs No.899056 Reply
>>899053
80skidthumbup.jpg

altho the second paragraph is a bit too assuming, but i'm not in the mood to discuss it atm. thnx anyway
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Betsy Piddleforth - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 13:19:59 EST ArGA6bE/ No.899058 Reply
>>899056
I had to oversimplify the shit out of the content in the second paragraph keep the post from being one of my characteristic adderall fueled essay responses. I wasn't even familiar with any of this stuff other than knowing that the visual input from the retina was mapped topographically in V1. Everything else was just a 5-10 minute google search and like 5 or 6 open tabs to read up on necessary related material I came across.

I'm actually with that guy, look up how this stuff works, it's pretty interesting really.
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Awe' God !!Bwteoy2D - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 17:24:17 EST eqA4Nfhs No.899063 Reply
>>899058
I looked it up HARD after the first time I took acid. I couldn't find my answers there, what I saw was beyond what was being explained even if it was interesting to learn especially the whole recurrent loops and shit... Anyway, as I said, not in the mood for discussion.
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Matilda Dosslebud - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 18:01:19 EST LywZUfmH No.899065 Reply
>>899063
>especially the whole recurrent loops and shit...
Are you stupid?
You're Awe' God, of course you're stupid.

Time loops and such are simply a combo of a reoccurring thoughts happening when you get hallucinations messing with your sense of time. It's not hard to figure how how it works. Just take a big dose in a place with a view on a train or bus station. When you get sober, you can look up the schedules and see that your "eternity" of watching the same bus pass by was just 5 minutes when about 4 different bus lines pass by.
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Mr_Shawmeen - Tue, 08 Oct 2019 18:57:02 EST O61PecZf No.899068 Reply
>>899065
It's strange how some things never change isn't it? Talk about a loop right? Glitching pattern recognition in the brain lulz
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Graham Murdstock - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 05:31:37 EST Yzf2kwQX No.899115 Reply
>>896091
Gotta love neuroplasticity man. This shit will change the world of mental health and mental "issues".
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Nigel Trotstone - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 23:02:59 EST zDROYn6Z No.899131 Reply
>>899065
Here are two papers that elucidate the entire process... actually many of the processes that underlie the psychedelic experience.

http://www.tripzine.com/pit/html/multi-state-theory.htm
http://psychedelic-information-theory.com/ebook/index.htm
(In the last one, scroll down to the 5-HT2A agonism and multisensory binding section)

It's not terribly easy to understand without doing greater background research, but anybody claiming not to be able to find answers after being presented with this simply doesn't want to understand. This is by no means definitive and may be hard to wrap your head around, but it's enough information that's backed by evidence that it's flat out dishonest to say nothing in the data we've collected on psychedelics can explain what we experience. We've actually got a pretty good idea of what is going on.
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Nigel Trotstone - Fri, 11 Oct 2019 23:30:33 EST zDROYn6Z No.899134 Reply
>>899115
>"issues"
What, overflowing rivers flooding and destroying important surrounding areas isn't a problem? What if the river is in the way of building new places that will house people or allow us to manufacture or grow things we need to survive and stay healthy? There's a reason we have to build up levies, embankments, and use dams to redirect or otherwise control the flow of water. If it weren't an actual issue, it wouldn't even be necessary.
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Basil Collersedge - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 13:21:53 EST /bWqmaXI No.900984 Reply
because our vision isn't optimized to perceive abstract patterns like this, and your eyes try to get used to it and try to stabilize the motion.
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Nigel Pickson - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 14:13:48 EST ol3lKwZ/ No.900985 Reply
>>900984
not really, it's simply and artifact of the brain which excites certain neural patterns which due to the way those neural pathways are set up continue to be excited despite having no longer any external stimulus to reinforce that. Pathways like something is moving in that direction on another spot mapped to our retina it's "something moving in another direction" etc. Hence everything being a bit wonky for a while.
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Rebecca Trothall - Sat, 01 Feb 2020 02:30:36 EST bs37+BMW No.901328 Reply
>>900985
A thought loop is different than the uncomfortable feeling you get watching trippy shit fuck your shit up when you’re balls to the wall high
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George Clumbledut - Sat, 01 Feb 2020 04:09:37 EST 337IwFP3 No.901330 Reply
>>901328
He didn't mention a thought loop once in that post dude. neither did the guy he quoted
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Rebecca Trothall - Sat, 01 Feb 2020 05:21:06 EST bs37+BMW No.901331 Reply
>>901330
that "artifact of the brain" he describes sounds exactly like a thought loop to me.
I've learned that nothing is "simply" anything in regards to trippin' and livin' life
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George Clumbledut - Sat, 01 Feb 2020 06:29:14 EST 337IwFP3 No.901332 Reply
>>901331
He used the word in a very nondescript way. The mechanism itself just involves homeostasis, the brain's built-in tendency toward developing a tolerance to constant repeating (patterns of) sensory stimuli, and how the intersection of those two factors affects the (in this case) visual sensory processing and the sensory binding process once that processed signal cascade is communicated to the thalamus/thalamocortical circuit, picked up by the Layer V pyramidal cells responsible for said sensory binding process, and is then integrated into our final conscious experience and model of reality.

Thought loops generally occur through some of the same base mechanisms responsible for the "trippy visurers" that staring at a video like that causes, but it's a unique effect in and of itself alone... not to mention a lot more is going on in the brain that underlies the formation of thought loops.

IF interested, try giving this paper a read some time. It's pretty dry, but if it's the kind of thing you enjoy, it's a pretty neat read negrumps:

http://www.tripzine.com/pit/html/multi-state-theory.htm
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Rebecca Trothall - Sat, 01 Feb 2020 15:56:07 EST bs37+BMW No.901337 Reply
>>901332
You literally contributed nothing I didn’t already know and i’m not gonna read some dude’s opinion piece on what thought loops are lolz
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Sophie Bobblenotch - Sun, 02 Feb 2020 11:17:07 EST 337IwFP3 No.901359 Reply
>>901337
If you actually know how thought loops work then how did you confuse that guy saying "an artifact of the brain" with him talking about thought loops, or wind up thinking they're inherently similar in nature? I'm pretty sure you're talking out of your ass
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Sophie Bobblenotch - Sun, 02 Feb 2020 11:23:25 EST 337IwFP3 No.901360 Reply
Considering you actually don't have a clue what you're talking about here, maybe you ought to read that "opinion piece". It's not a blog post about thought loops or something, it's a research paper filled with references... did you even open the link? If you don't feel like learning that's fine, just say so.
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Ebenezer Crammlefot - Sun, 02 Feb 2020 21:01:44 EST bs37+BMW No.901366 Reply
>>901359
I didn’t confuse anything, you did because you assumed shit like you’re so much better than me because the retarded “artifact of the brain” hypothesis appeals to you when really it’s just a meme explanation
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Awe' !!Bwteoy2D - Tue, 03 Mar 2020 19:35:49 EST ol3lKwZ/ No.901911 Reply
>>901359
I'm the guy who said it was artifact and no i don't mean thought loops wtf. why the fuck do you even waste energy replying to him. i was just pointing out the idea that there are neurons that fire when say things move up or things rotate or watev and the fact that neurons "echo" for a lack of a better word.
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Awe' !!Bwteoy2D - Tue, 03 Mar 2020 19:41:06 EST ol3lKwZ/ No.901912 Reply
>>901911
reoccurent excititation I think it's called. Visual info in the brain is not just a bunch of pictures, it's also info about supposed depth, or depth from paralax, things like movement direction, movement speed. There are literally people who don't see shit, yet are able to detect movement. So your brain gets stimulated in the idea of some part of the visual field having certain motion and other things associated with it and then echos when you look away. I'm the most mystical guy on this entire forum and even I can easily see that this is an artifact of the brain. Admittedly it may not be obvious at all if you've never done any research about how vision or the brain works. But with basic knowledge it's pretty obvious.
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Matilda Drashnut - Mon, 04 May 2020 07:24:47 EST +9uUVdnU No.902758 Reply
Who knows more cool illusions?
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Ebenezer Coshlick - Mon, 04 May 2020 10:01:05 EST nC72LLIm No.902762 Reply
>>902760
Who the fuck does drugs and has this big of an appetite in the morning?
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Emma Gimmlewell - Mon, 04 May 2020 18:42:44 EST ol3lKwZ/ No.902769 Reply
>>902762
who the fuck eats that much protein in one sitting in any circumstance?
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Caroline Bishlere - Mon, 04 May 2020 19:00:55 EST 9JchIYMz No.902770 Reply
>>902769
If you're in training you can easily eat that much, although that particular meal has too much fat. And I'm talking endurance training. If you're doing strength training you need even more. It's not even a matter of want or not want. If you don't eat like that your entire body aches because you don't have nutrients to repair yourself.
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Mr_Shawmeen - Mon, 04 May 2020 19:16:20 EST A81FwSIm No.902771 Reply
>>902760
Not enough fiber or resistant starches to make that worth while. Just gassy bloatey shitty feeling all day.

>>902762
>>902769
I used to eat 3 meals about that size and 2 snacks with random stuff when I was feeling hungry, but I was training at the time to join the navy as I wanted to be a seal
I would regularly consume 5-6 thousand calories, maybe more, and I would do no less than 8.6 miles of cardio a day and up 20. I never ate that much animal protein unless it was in the form of eggs. Some of my meals now for heavier lifting with meal shakes, egg whites, and cottage cheese will put me near 100 grams of protein but since my ankle had a broken bone I don't run like that. Nowadays my protein meals only run me just over 1000 calories.
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Mr_Shawmeen - Mon, 01 Jun 2020 21:08:29 EST aE8OOC/Z No.903459 Reply
>>903457
Naw I use soluble fiber supplements to detox my liver and palo azul for da kidneys
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Mr_Shawmeen - Mon, 01 Jun 2020 21:09:34 EST aE8OOC/Z No.903460 Reply
>>903457
I spike up to 8-12k cals a day now. It just incures oxidative stress and ages me faster.

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