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Dose Specifics

- Tue, 15 Oct 2019 17:44:03 EST n/3RHHVY No.899224
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How accurate is this scale in your experience/opinion? Found it on circlejerk: https://www.circlejerk.com/r/LSD/comments/2hg6io/different_dosage_of_lsd_explained_from_20ug1500ug/

20 mics- threshold. Some slight euphoria and body high.

30 mics- threshold, same as 20 mics

40 mics- obviously feeling Lucy's effects a little bit but again no visuals even though may see some

60 mics- = The typical low quality blotter. Body high with "under water like feeling". Lights are brighter, colors are slightly enhanced and some after imaging and trails. This dosage makes for a good time, even though it isn't considered tripping. Lasts longer and is similar to a a gram of shrooms.

90 mics- Bright colors, surfaces start to move, warp or breathe slightly. Confused or reminiscent thoughts. You start to think more. Change of short term memory leads to continual distractive thought patterns. Your brain starts to speed up and you become more aware of everything.

110 mics- A hit of some really good lsd. Visuals are getting a lot more obvious now. "Ripples" over laying your field of vision. Patterns from all different cultures seen on walls, surfaces, faces etc. Closed eye hallucinations become more apparent.

150 mics- This is the main dosage people try to shoot for if they are not that experienced to get LSD's effects without freaking out. This dose is usually 1-2 hits of good, legit LSD. Effects are a lot like 110 micrograms but more profound.
(incraments I mention will stay the same but the effects of upping it 50 mics becomes more intense than above the line.)

200 mics- This is where things can get powerful. Your mind is racing. Beautiful colors are everywhere. Closed eye visuals are very apparent at this point. Life changing, spiritual experiences or realization can happen at this dose. If you are a noob to lsd this dose is simply too high for you. Many people can handle it quite well but some may freak out.

250 mics- This dose is the dose Albert Hoffman, the creator of LSD tried when he first dosed himself to see what LSD's effects were like. The peak of a 250 mic acid trip can be VERY intense or even scary but like any LSD trip. once the peak effects ware off, the more comfortable the trip is. When the comedown started, he was fine, and he became a rockstar. Closed eye visuals are amazing at this dose.

300 mics- your getting into heavy territory. Still not considered by most to be a heavy dose, but thats only because they know where most people including themselves draw the line if they are experienced. Its alot like 250 mics.

400 mics- most people would never take this much unless they knew the acid they have in their possesion and really wanted to get pretty far out there. This is why you dont see 200+ mic hits around. There is some confusing of the senses (i.e. seeing sounds as colors etc.) Time distortions and moments of eternity. Body movement becomes difficult and disorienting. There is a heightened sense of awareness of one's own feelings and drive. People usually report this dose as thought provoking and life changing. For some, their ability to discern is somewhat thrown off. More likely to respond to suggestive stimuli. It is recommended that there be a sitter to watch over the tripper just in case he/she would do something that could be a potential hazard.

500 mics- Strong hallucinations and visuals. objects morphing into other objects (both closed and open eye visuals). Destruction or multiple splitting of the ego. (Things start talking to you, or you find that you are feeling contradictory things simultaneously) Some loss of reality. Time becomes meaningless. Pretty much where even some of the most experienced people draw the line. Your vision is almost completely enveloped by fractal patterns, and if you were to stare at some pavement or something, it looks like you can see to the end of eternity. Miles and miles of visual depth. There are many subtypes of these: Mandelbrots, spirals, wave interference patterns,etc.

700 mics- Out of body experiences and extra-sensory perception type phenomena. Blending of the senses. Visuals containing imagery from Hindu, Aztec, Mayan, Native American, Indian and African cultures are quite common. Most people who talk of taking a ten strip usually dont have very potent acid(though it is good), so 550 to 700 is where they end up. This is also where "more acid" becomes less important because the effects are very similar to an even higher dose.

1000 mics- Most people will never go this high. Only shamans and those who really seek will go this high. If you had a "two hits and you are floored" type of lsd, or 100 mics and up hits, this is where a ten strip would put you. You basically cant see anything but visuals, your mind as a whole is infinately connected with its self and your external environment. Amazing things happen on this dose no matter what if you use LSD as an entheogen. It would scare most people shitless because they were not ready for that dose. Some people will think they are dying. Many would end up dialing 911 if they were alone and could read the numbers on the phone.

1500 mics- Very few people have used this much lsd. It is VERY psychologically dangerous for some people to do this dose. You can no longer really see your own hand in front of your face. Your cognition and vision are both bathed in the same light. Some people forget to breath frequently, and id imagine alot of people would pass out. You will loose your ego, but you will meet many organizers of human cognition in this egoless place. They are much smarter than human beings. "they" *are self conscious neurology. They are the mathematicians behind consciousness and even the visuals themselves. Total loss of visual connection with reality. The senses cease to function in the normal way. Total loss of ego. Merging with space, other objects, or the universe. The loss of reality becomes so severe that it defies explanation. The earlier levels are relatively easy to explain in terms of measureable changes in perception and thought patterns. This level is different in that the actual universe within which things are normally perceived, ceases to exist! Satorienlightenment (and other such labels).

A dose 700 mics and above will show anyone some very profound things. Doses like 500 mics and above have changed many lives in both positive and negative ways.
Beatrice Bigglespear - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 21:02:16 EST c+ot2hXd No.899225 Reply
Why is it that people get images of God's from other cultures at high doses?
Fucking Duvingfore - Tue, 15 Oct 2019 22:44:56 EST qliH9paW No.899226 Reply
It could be that it's just whatever your brain conjures up as a higher being. Like when you're dreaming and there's an object or person that's represented by something you're familiar with.

Or maybe the various indigenous tribes were tapping into something and were depicting entities fairly well.

In my experience, the things I usually see are too otherworldly to even connect to any culture, too alien-esque and complex to accurately represent through images.
Oliver Clayham - Wed, 16 Oct 2019 12:31:02 EST dM6fCB9d No.899231 Reply
According to Grof, above 300-500 ug the effects simply can't get any stronger. There was case when someone was given 15000 ug and didn't feel anything because of the patient's strong psychological defenses (this is rarely known, but some people wereactually resisted LSD just to fuck with their doctors or because they didn't want let go).
The later effects described in your post can occur at "normal" high dosages.
David Blinderlon - Wed, 16 Oct 2019 19:34:11 EST CQ+MGLrb No.899241 Reply

So basically I've been throwing my money away by doing ten strips rather than just 5?
Edward Pundleham - Wed, 16 Oct 2019 20:56:18 EST ha9AIt78 No.899243 Reply
I disagree with this, there was a noticeable change from 500ug to 800ug for me.

1000ug feels like the ceiling and that's pretty well established in the community.
Phyllis Womblespear - Thu, 17 Oct 2019 11:35:05 EST OxvOG1zJ No.899256 Reply
Grof was just asking the patients how they felt, he wasn't the one taking the LSD so he might be wrong. Although set and setting matters a lot, so it is possible that the 500+ ug effects are just placebo.
Frederick Grimgold - Thu, 17 Oct 2019 15:04:48 EST LTdzjNxh No.899263 Reply
Barring shamanistic experiences resulting specifically from drug use, dreams were taken very seriously and considered very important and significant in the past. My dreams, personally, are typically very vivid and some combination of highly abstract, fantastical, and/or nonsensical. I've had a fair number of dreams that were just as profound and "mystical/spiritual" as my hardest trips. I've also got a lot of experiences with dream-like altered states, like hypnagogia, sleep paralysis/REM Atonia, and other between-waking states. I've encountered beings and visuals quite similar to those I've experienced in trips.

Because not all of these experiences took place before ever having tripped, it's hard to counter the notion that it's just my mind producing familiar imagery, but I started getting into drugs later than most, around 18/19. and have been having these kinds of dreams and dream-like altered states of consciousness since before having first tripped sometime around the age of 19 or 20. I think something related to the structure of the central nervous systems in human beings in general makes this type of imagery fundamental to the human experience in some manner.

Then again, going back to the hypothesis that it's just the brain latching on to familiar imagery, most if not all surviving religions today have roots in one another. Many trace their mythology back to the greeks/romans, then to the egyptians, then to the sumerians, then further back to what seems to be whatever was practiced by the people who built Gobekli Tepe. Even then I left out how the greeks and romans got tons from nordic mythology, which also shared and took from Celtic mythology. South and North America (native americans and mexicans/latin americans) share a shitload of stuff, and all of Asia is steeped in their shared culture which obviously would've crossed paths with European mythology at some point to.

Thing is, most of the images of Gods from other cultures are either very simplistic, generalized images (watch some Ancient Aliens and they point out how you see shit that looks like the same basic type of aliens with big heads and eyes and spindly fuckin legs and arms and shit all over the place, represented rather crudely as what are essentially stick figures). Other depictions are typically more modern interpretations based on the oral description of a god's characteristics. By the point trade was becoming available world wide, people would've been exposed to all kinds of visual depictions of other culture's gods, and that would effectively influence any further depictions of even their own gods or others gods that would be created. we have all been so connected on a social level that all this shit exists within humanity's collective unconscious mind in one form or another for centuries and even millennia.

i mean, said "collective unconscious" may have been more fragmented and localized in the past (specific to landlocked regions or other natural barriers), then after the development of global trade using ships and whatnot, that collective unconscious became more or less united. after that, the natural barrier present in the collective unconscious was each individual person lacking a means of instantaneous or otherwise very quick communication with the rest of the population around the world (lacking phones, television, and the internet), as well as socioeconomic status and what that allowed people to afford in the way of the media that actually did exist at the time. assuming the global trend continues (the trend in first world countries in particular), with the average person having access to television and high speed internet, the collective conscious becomes progressively less and less fragmented and continuously updating and being interacted with. the only problem right now is bandwidth, where there is so much input that our inability to directly interface with the internet on a neural level is preventing us from consuming the output at sufficient speeds to meet demand. once we work around this, we will be on the way to an actual global consciousness of sorts that isn't simply a collective unconscious minds as a whole, one that acts almost like a hivemind. after which, all our cultural identities will pretty much cease to exist, meaning all our god imagery is going to be pretty much identical. essentially, the world will become like Serial Experiments Lane. That show is pretty prophetic really.

goddamn i started going on an adderall'd out tangent there. oh well, fuck it
Awe' God !!Bwteoy2D - Thu, 17 Oct 2019 16:41:21 EST HEUd4PYQ No.899266 Reply
It's not the ceiling. C-mon guys, have you never heard of a thumbprint?

To answer OP, that scale is innacurate for me and to be more general - there is a bell curve, some people need very little, some need more. I need around twice of most classic seratonergic psys except dmt, which at some point revives my memory and at that point I start tripping off of memory so hard that I used to be able to breakthrough on 20-30 mg. I have mad vaping skills though.
Esther Barringkodging - Fri, 18 Oct 2019 10:18:28 EST c+ot2hXd No.899274 Reply
>collective unconcious
I find it difficult understanding what people mean when they say this and if they mean it in a supernatural way or not, like they mean it's an immutable fact that all human thought and experience exist in a sort of tangible state outside of our perceptive reach instead of being identifiable, common patterns of thought that appear in large groups in society.
Emma Gaffingshaw - Sun, 20 Oct 2019 17:19:07 EST vIkASsI/ No.899325 Reply
i can only speak for myself when i say that i usually am referring to the latter, via repeated motifs throughout cultures. anyone who believes in a supernatural extra-organismal thought shared between humans is deluded.

However, as to repeated imagery, there is some interesting literature out there written about how certain psychedelic patterns seem to represent some sort of transfer of information between the ocular nerve and the visual cortex. I seem to have lost track of my copy of one article in particular but i'm sure it can be found, something like "repeating hallucinogenic geometry of the visual cortex" or something could probably find it. Anyway, it seems to me that this would be a good direction to look at when trying to explain why the geometric patterns used in art by the aztec, islam, etc, seem to have a lot in common with psychedelic imagery and why certain patterns seem to persist through human history. as to why "alien" imagery repeats, who knows. i would argue that personal bias/confirmation bias would play a part in that i.e. seeing what one wants to see.

more on topic, dosage is extremely variable between individuals and the tired phrase "set and setting" is there for a reason. I've met people who can handle a 10-strip and function just the same as I would on 2 tabs. But I've taken 4 tabs and my experiences match what the OP describes as a 500-700ug trip, which is unlikely. It's more likely that people predispose themselves toward certain types of trip. who takes a 10 strip and goes "la-dee-da, nothing special here, just a regular day" (except for the person whom i mentioned earlier who curiously was already a schizophrenic)? Usually you're mentally preparing yourself for a real spinner if you take a high dose and if you take a low dose you're kinda like psssh no big deal and often people smoke weed or take other drugs on low doses because it seems appropriate.

I've heard of beginners taking half a tab and literally being floored. I think this has more to do with their mindset and what was going on in their personal lives at the time. It's interesting that i've heard the mantra "your first trip is your best/hardest/most intense" from a lot of people yet never really been given an explanation as to why. It's all bullshit, anyway.

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