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My point wasn't that I'm genetically predisposed to addiction, even though that might be true, it was that I've had up close experiences with addiction, and in my experience there isn't a clear line between someone being addicted or just dependent on something (separate from the issue of whether something causes addiction as as opposed to just dependency, which as I already said is something you can clearly define because one causes physical withdrawals and the other doesn't). Often times someone is addicted to/dependent on several things at once, and it's a very messy thing, made even more complicated by mental illness as someone already pointed out.
Not surprised you didn't try to defend this point, because you can't. It's an open question how much human beings have control over themselves one way or the other, in really any circumstance. All we can do is speculate based on indirect evidence, the things we can measure, we can't measure human will directly.
I can understand where you're coming from with the animal models of addiction, but when the key issue I'm pointing at is free will or the lack thereof, using animal models absolutely falls short. Totally agree with the point about psy and dis being anti-addictive, I entered this conversation saying that dis can be a valid, non addictive addition to psy trips, so right there with you on that.
> there does exist a line between dependency and addiction that is drawn and crossed with chemical compulsions generated within the brain caused by stimulus from outside the body.I had to re-read this part of your post a few times, and I'm still not entirely sure what you mean by it. I can't find any use of the term "chemical compulsions" anywhere with google, so I'm guessing you just sort of made it up. Getting past that, are you aware that our brain chemistry is constantly affected by outside stimulus? Regardless of whether something is considered addictive or not? Watching porn for instance definitely causes increased amounts of reward chemicals in the brain, where would this land in your "chemical compulsions generated within the brain caused by stimulus from outside the body"?
Putting that aside, you claim romantic and maternal love are totally different, but don't really elaborate on it at all, just sort of trail off with some incestuous fantasy projection, which is interesting but not really related to the point you're trying to make. I don't expect you to actually define how maternal love is different from romantic love though, because it's exactly for that reason that I used it to demonstrate my point. Addiction and dependency, like love, is inextricably tied to the fundamentally subjective human experience that at the time of me writing this can NOT be reduced to mechanistic cause and effect or chemical actions/reactions. Because of this we can try to measure how addictive something is, and we can get a really good estimate of how it might affect the brain in terms of its chemistry, but every single brain is different, and addiction isn't just how much of a certain chemical is released when it's taken. Addiction is unfortunately much harder to pin down, even leaving out the mental illness aspect out that is so often a huge part of the discussion, because you can't separate these things out and act like you're making an objective judgement. The point that I'm trying to make, that I entered into this conversation making, is that addiction, in my experience, is not as cut and dry as making sure to never take drugs that release a certain chemical in the brain (in this case, MDMA and ketamine when combined with psy's). I never said smoking weed and tripping is the same addiction as "hard drugs" (whatever you define that category as, good luck reaching a consensuses with that btw). I'm saying that what control we have over what we do and how we live is an open question, and it's worth paying close attention to the way things we consume sway and tempt us, as well as how they affect our being, even innocuous (to denizens of this board) things like smoking weed and tripping.