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- Thu, 14 May 2020 07:13:20 EST 6BTL6PEk No.902977
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Tell me the most important realizations you've had on psychedelics.
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Shitting Brecklelock - Thu, 14 May 2020 07:49:16 EST cBCP2viz No.902978 Reply
just is the ultimate trip, the way you percieve the world determines your reality, reincarnation is real, everything you experience is god
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Sophie Wugglewill - Thu, 14 May 2020 11:43:22 EST 337IwFP3 No.902987 Reply
>>902977
That I should question any of the epiphanies and profound realizations or feelings of having acquired some knowledge that I get from tripping, and that those feelings are literally an effect the drug causes you to experience. Not saying the realizations aren't real, but I decided to test my hypothesis out one time on a bunch of DPT and 4-MeO-PCP a long time ago.

What happened was I had a profound realization about the nature of something (I can't remember what exactly). I remember that it was fairly abstract and about the nature of reality. Then I remembered I suspected that the drugs actually cause those feelings , and decided to think about whether the actual opposite of what I just realized was true, and I had another feeling of having profoundly realized something, because the opposite felt like it was 100% just as true.

Psychedelics can be great tools to help open your mind and sometimes things just click in a way they did before and you go from just accepting how something works or is to having an deep and innate understanding of how it actually works or is. But, they're still drugs that potently warp your sense of reality, so accepting any profound realization or epiphany you get wholesale without questioning it isn't advisable.
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Ernest Mummerfield - Thu, 14 May 2020 12:21:06 EST zCS5uZfH No.902989 Reply
>>902977
Communication via language is impossible.
First I'm trying to put my thoughts into words whose meaning I may not fully understand, or I may not have quite the right vocabulary to succinctly express my thoughts.
Then I'm trying to phrase things in a way that I hope the other person will understand.
Then I speak and there's all sorts of lossage that may cause my words to be misspoken, distorted, or misheard.
Then the other person hears words whose meaning they may not fully understand.
And finally they try to interpret my words to reconstruct the thought that originated them.

The fact that anything can be agreed upon is nothing short of a miracle.
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Hannah Dartgold - Thu, 14 May 2020 14:39:27 EST sLw9TIr2 No.902991 Reply
How cold my life is when no one else is around. I find it really easy to focus on something like video games to distract me but if I sit around and really let it sink in, I feel very isolated and lonely. It sounds depressing but the good part is when my girlfriend or roommate comes home it's just so warm it makes me realize how much they improve my life.
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Bitchumss - Thu, 14 May 2020 14:57:36 EST BG53MCFu No.902992 Reply
I once smoked some strong hashish on a strong lib cap come up and started getting very conflicting thoughts that eventually evolved to me beliveing every single thing we do or say is all dictated by chemicals and hormones. imagine just stopping to think and seriously consider that you were only created on an off chance because oxytocin and dopamine overpowered your parents judgement and begatted you out of pure horniness and wonder.
sorry for the shitty spelling im hungover.
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Angus Gendlebane - Thu, 14 May 2020 15:41:18 EST wADFwbER No.902993 Reply
>>902987
Meditation gives you the same realizations

Drugs have creedance
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Graham Blublingfug - Fri, 22 May 2020 15:50:41 EST ErkPIDYP No.903210 Reply
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I once realized that everyone is inside my heart. That there is only one heart. That all of our hearts are the same heart. One love.
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Edward Pickdale - Fri, 22 May 2020 20:55:40 EST C8AMV53P No.903222 Reply
The old spiel : reality is magic. Simple as that.
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Charlotte Bravingshaw - Fri, 22 May 2020 21:34:04 EST KYqV2/6k No.903223 Reply
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>>902977

That nothing matters. Yet somehow there is beauty in that. There is no truth to any of this, only perspective. Good/Evil, Love/Hate, Life/Death, Rape/Consensual(jk). Everything in the universe is in balance but it's all the same, it's all one. The best thing you can do with your life is follow every path towards love even though life can be unfair and miserable.
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Angus Pogglestone - Sat, 23 May 2020 08:54:10 EST zOZos08p No.903231 Reply
take it easy, but take it
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Barnaby Drallerperk - Mon, 25 May 2020 09:11:56 EST ErkPIDYP No.903267 Reply
>>903266
It's very different to understand a quote than to experience it. It can take a whole different meaning. Therefore I believe that a quote can be a glimpse into a genuine personal revelation.
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Mr_Shawmeen - Mon, 25 May 2020 11:13:00 EST O61PecZf No.903271 Reply
>>903267
If we're gonna McKenna it like that one of his quotes that I thought was solid I'd
"We cannot hope to cross the rainbow bridge on an act of good contrition alone, we must understand"
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Fanny Sonderspear - Mon, 25 May 2020 17:19:22 EST D2BNo7u9 No.903279 Reply
>>902991
I know that feel, but in the past five years subtract the girlfriend and the roommate.
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Edwin Worthingridge - Mon, 25 May 2020 17:37:30 EST bs37+BMW No.903281 Reply
Shit aint translatable. Probably something about how i’m lucky to be alive and there’s all this love around me if I look for it
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Fanny Penderwitch - Tue, 26 May 2020 14:21:57 EST EpUi/UV/ No.903307 Reply
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Life on planet earth is a fractal that inhabits every physical space from deep sea vents through the upper atmosphere, over orders of magnitude of sizes from megafauna through microorganisms.

Capitalism and social hierarchies are a fuck. We’re the same human consciousness in billions of beings yet we perpetuate systems that annihilate and demean billions of lives.

Happiness is mostly a personal choice.
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Augustus Brevingville - Wed, 27 May 2020 09:07:17 EST WDWaPoUO No.903315 Reply
>>903307
>Capitalism and Social Hierarchies are systems that annihilate and demean billions of lives

>happiness is mostly a personal choice
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Esther Worthingforth - Wed, 27 May 2020 11:59:26 EST aYWUsX88 No.903316 Reply
>>903307
This is not capitalism lol who ever thought a mixed market (you learn this in school) should be called capitalism should be shot tbh

Capitalism = freedom
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Cedric Subberfan - Wed, 27 May 2020 13:44:50 EST ErkPIDYP No.903319 Reply
>>903316
If you think capitalism equals freedom, you're just as retarded as it gets.
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Hedda Dronninglock - Wed, 27 May 2020 17:24:47 EST 6BTL6PEk No.903326 Reply
Mdma is bad for you
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Cyril Clummleforth - Wed, 27 May 2020 17:52:42 EST KYqV2/6k No.903327 Reply
>>903326

Yo I fully agree, MDMA is a terrible drug. It feels great, but so does meth and coke. It gets categorized with psychedelics that are totally safe for some reason and it's neurotoxic as fuck. It just completely floods your brain with serotonin and doesn't teach you anything the way psychedelics do.

MDMA assisted therapy on the other hand sounds awesome and I know it has some serious potential. But using it as a party drug every weekend seems reckless to me. To each his own though.
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Hedda Dronninglock - Wed, 27 May 2020 18:15:19 EST 6BTL6PEk No.903328 Reply
>>903327
Tried to tell people this and I got called an idiot

Amazing how brainwashed these coomheads
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Cedric Funderfoot - Wed, 27 May 2020 18:58:25 EST ol3lKwZ/ No.903329 Reply
>>903328
i JUST speak the eternal wisdom of the importance of doing your homework before using any drug. if you understand that drugs ain't toys your more or less covered on all bases instead of having to remember a million facts like mdma is dangerous and shouldn't be used in high doses and often, datura varies wildly in potency and lethal dose is very close to the active dose etc etc.

all you have to remember is not to eat substances (whose effects you don't understand) willy nilly. sounds like common sense but its actually extremely rare. 98 out of 100 either think drugs are bad man and drink beer as they are telling you so or think drugs are great and i do too, but simultaneously they think drug is a drug is a drug which is terribly naive and stupid.
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Hedda Dronninglock - Wed, 27 May 2020 19:03:50 EST 6BTL6PEk No.903330 Reply
>>903329
People need to figure thing out themselves, people don't like being told what to do, people don't like their worldview changed.

I've had fiends overheat and had a drug dealer blow a kids brains out while self medicating on mdma. Gives horrible hangovers and it is addictive. It's a hard drug I have no idea why it's associated with light drugs
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Caroline Furryshaw - Wed, 27 May 2020 20:02:19 EST w74tppro No.903331 Reply
Dennis Rodman gave Kim lsd or some bullshit
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Caroline Furryshaw - Wed, 27 May 2020 20:23:39 EST w74tppro No.903334 Reply
It's really amazing how little people know about drugs and spew nonsense

I was in a thread comparing LSD to MDMA and the majority of people did not know that LSD drains you of serotonin, thus giving you a religious expireience like how it happenes in nature. These are the same people saying they the drugs are comparable and easily as safe.
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Wesley Climmlesot - Thu, 28 May 2020 15:05:02 EST ol3lKwZ/ No.903353 Reply
>>903330
>people don't like being told what to do
Is that really a good enough reason to treat highly explosive materials with carelessness? I cannot think of a reason why that is not a valid excuse, but I intuitively sense that that is a ridiculous and flawed excuse. There is a cognitive dissonance somewhere I just can't put my finger on it.
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Wesley Climmlesot - Thu, 28 May 2020 15:07:46 EST ol3lKwZ/ No.903355 Reply
>>903334
Any sources you could cite in regards to LSD draining you of serotonin and that being the mode of action for religious experiences?

I know it downregulates serotonin receptors temporarily aka tolerance, but I've never heard that it would deplete serotonin.
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Thomas Crapperlone - Thu, 28 May 2020 16:27:13 EST zCS5uZfH No.903356 Reply
>>903334
Huh? LSD is safer than MDMA. MDMA is unpredictably neurotoxic, while LSD is not known to be toxic in any way.
Like >>903355 said, where id you read that LSD "drains you of serotonin" and what does that even mean?
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Nathaniel Habblebanks - Thu, 28 May 2020 16:42:22 EST Ll/mx1Tc No.903357 Reply
>>903353
Yes it's a very bad reason

The point is that you can't really do much to change minds
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Nathaniel Habblebanks - Thu, 28 May 2020 16:52:20 EST Ll/mx1Tc No.903358 Reply
>>903356
I never said LSD wasn't safe

MDMA is way more dangerous

MDMA is hard drug

Faith is funnily enough I csnt find much in LSD draining sero, I'm sure I've read this before in a scientific article, maybe I'm just gaslighting myself but I will post information if I come across it. There's no way I would just start saying this without evidence, this is troubling.
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Nathaniel Habblebanks - Thu, 28 May 2020 16:57:40 EST Ll/mx1Tc No.903359 Reply
>>903358
Hmm I've done some googling and all I've come across is that it blocks the receptor, or at least that's how some psychedelics work

Maybe this was the source of my confusion?
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Nathaniel Habblebanks - Thu, 28 May 2020 17:03:55 EST Ll/mx1Tc No.903360 Reply
>>903359
I oboe for sure that fasting drains your serotonin and can help provide a religious expireience

Trying to figure out where my thinking fucked up
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Nathaniel Habblebanks - Thu, 28 May 2020 17:21:22 EST Ll/mx1Tc No.903361 Reply
Alright to my current understanding MDMA feeds serotonin and LSD blocks or something along the lines from what I'm skimming

I could be retarded though. Also, never the less, the drugs work very differently and LSD is barely understood..

MDMA is essentially a very bad imitation imo
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Thomas Crapperlone - Thu, 28 May 2020 17:38:02 EST zCS5uZfH No.903362 Reply
>>903358
From the way you phrased it it sounded like you were saying LSD isn't safe. If you weren't then disregard that part of the reply.

>>903361
It's possible you might have confused the often-repeated factoid that MDMA permanently reduces your available serotonin. Again, who knows what that means. I've never found a source for that claim, either.

Classical psychedelics don't "block" serotonin or anything like that. They bind to the serotonin receptors stimulating them, somewhat simulating a flood of serotonin in the brain. To maintain homeostasis, this causes a temporary down-regulation of the receptor, which is tolerance. To my knowledge, this down-regulation has no effect other than reducing the sensitivity to the drug. This is unlike with MDMA which, as I understand, produces a sort of depressive mood after coming down.
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Edwin Bonningfire - Thu, 28 May 2020 18:12:13 EST +VE27ozN No.903364 Reply
>>903362
I could have sworn MDMA gave you a artificially high levels of serotonin, hence why I consider it an imitation and that LSD didn't do that.
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Lillian Dimmleford - Fri, 29 May 2020 02:19:30 EST 9JchIYMz No.903369 Reply
>>903364
Think about it. If MDMA raised the levels of serotonin and LSD dropped them, then they should have entirely opposite effects. That's exactly the difference between CNS stimulants and depressants.

No, hallucinogens don't raise the levels of neurotransmitters. At least, I know psychedelics don't. I haven't looked into the pharmacology of dissociatives and deliriants enough.
In the case of tryptamines such as psilocin and DMT, they have a similar molecular structure to serotonin (serotonin is itself a tryptamine), which why they're able to bind to 5-HT2A; they're basically serotonin analogs. Feel free to look up the structures of these molecules. You'll notice that they're almost invariably only one or two carbon atoms apart, not counting the hydrogens obviously.
Phenethylamines and lysergamides have fairly different structures, but they still bind to that receptor. I'm not a chemist by any means, so I'm not going to pretend to understand how or why the receptor reacts with these molecules.

In other words, these drugs act by directly stimulating or interacting with the receptors in neurons that serotonin normally stimulates. This is what's known for certain in general terms. There are multiple hypothesis on the specifics. One such hypothesis, which is perhaps what confused you, is that LSD may inhibit the reuptake of serotonin, which would cause the molecule to stick around after the true signal has been sent, possibly to re-stimulate another receptor.

MDMA is an entirely different class of substance. It's an amphetamine and stimulates multiple types of receptors. It's not really appropriate to consider it an imitation of LSD, since the only thing it has in common with it is that it's serotonergic. It would be like saying that ethanol is an imitation of morphine because they're both CNS depressants.
1P-LSD could be considered an imitation, since its molecular structure and effects are almost identical to those of LSD.
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James Tootgold - Fri, 29 May 2020 05:54:43 EST ol3lKwZ/ No.903373 Reply
>>903357
The question is why do people have strong opinions about things that they didn't even have a chance to learn anything about. Why would they object to having their opinions formed when their opinion barely exists to begin with... I genuinely don't understand how that works.
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James Tootgold - Fri, 29 May 2020 05:56:57 EST ol3lKwZ/ No.903374 Reply
>>903360
> fasting drains your serotonin
Buddy, can you at least cite some sources for this one?
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James Tootgold - Fri, 29 May 2020 06:00:14 EST ol3lKwZ/ No.903375 Reply
>>903364
That is correct. The other person was arguing that LSD does that and that "people don't even know that" as if that's supposed to be a known fact, but as discussion revealed the person himself was just confused about it.
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Jarvis Dresslefuck - Sat, 30 May 2020 02:19:55 EST VBoQBywb No.903394 Reply
>>903369
I consider MDMA a bad imitation because it's hedonism the drug. The feelings of empathy it gives you are fake. The heart to hearts you have on it are fake, it's just two extremely fucked up people talking. MDMA makes you feel super sober and LSD doesn't. MDMA fucks you up so bad you don't even know you're fucked up.

LSD is a difftent type of substance.
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Jarvis Dresslefuck - Sat, 30 May 2020 02:20:44 EST VBoQBywb No.903395 Reply
>>903394
MDMA puts you more into 'reality " while LSD takes you" away" from it
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Jarvis Dresslefuck - Sat, 30 May 2020 03:00:22 EST VBoQBywb No.903396 Reply
>>903395
Or rather LSD gives you a Supreme awareness of reality
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Frederick Wipperbin - Sat, 30 May 2020 04:24:07 EST 4tUTTc+v No.903398 Reply
death is the dissolving of the self into The Universe
birth is the creation of the self from The Universe
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Hugh Wennerforth - Sat, 30 May 2020 09:04:23 EST 337IwFP3 No.903403 Reply
>>903396
idk man, acid usually makes me more... confused, for lack of a better word, than it makes me aware of reality. like, it might make me more aware of an aspect of reality, but usually it causes colors and lights to be so bright and oversaturated that it triggers seeing infinitely repeating fractal geometric patterns in my mind's eye spontaneously, and the mind's eye visuals tend to override my actual vision for a few seconds (or longer if I focus on it). So, essentially, I keep going through loops of seeing like, serpentine flowing fractal geometry receding infinitely in a sea of serpentine fractal geometry (that makes other indescribable and complex/impossible shapes comprised of chunks or "waves" that make up the entire sea of patterned geometry), which also seems to coincide with random cycling loops of thought that make it almost impossible to actually track what's happening in my reality. This doesn't really lessen at all until about 2 or 3 hours after the peak.

Dissociatives tend to give me what I'd call supreme awareness of reality much more than psychedelics do. If I take a large dose of a dis with a psy (whether moderate or strong dose of psychedelic), I also experience this effect. It's worth noting that I've got a very large permatolerance to dissociatives in general, so I don't ever experience the more psychedelic and magical effects that dissociatives tend to cause (which includes the confusion and inability to comprehend things that are going on). Especially when combined with a psychedelic, dissociatives give me enough dissociation to aid in ego loss (ego death as well, but in this particular instance I'm not talking about a full loss of ego). I get it to just the right degree to dissociate from my perception of myself as a human being or as anything other than a conscious observer of reality. Even when I am not capable of actually thinking using language because of how hard I might be tripping, I am still hyper aware as a mere observer of my reality.

I suppose the best way of putting it, actually, is that it makes me supremely lucid in the sense that I silently and passively observe what is happening to me... even if I am also engaged in doing or thinking about something. It's as though I am capable of choosing whether I am the one present and controlling my body, thoughts, and actions, or I let some other "me" move, say, think, and do things while I am simply present watching it happen. I'm already aware that the me that "feels" and perceives things is different than the me that reacts to those things by acting and by changing what emotions I choose to feel in response to it, but it's I separate for a third time and simply watch the other two... and watch me, the watcher, myself. I can do this all anyway, for the most part, but it's much more profound on dissociatives. If I've taken a psychedelic in combination with a dis, then the psychedelic allows me to experience being all 3 "me's" simultaneously as a sort of superconscious/hyperconscious entity.
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Simon Bovingpit - Tue, 09 Jun 2020 05:18:41 EST VBoQBywb No.903612 Reply
God is a non-dualistic entity.
God is all wrath
God is all love
He is everything
He is you

Religions are all made up but they're all about the observation of the realization. They're all pointing towards the fact that all of expireience, all of reality is an illusion. The" rules" of life that these religions promote are meant to provide you a path towards this realization. They're meant to destroy your ego so you can start to pay attention and come to the realization yourself. Also the stories are all made up but they're meant to give you faith so you can further believe in a path and be further influenced to follow the path. This isn't to say that religions haven't been used to control people in the past, however. Not all religions are built equally, and atheists are just people have logically realized that religions are fake but haven't realized that they're pointing to something.

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