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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated April 10)
dark matter & string theory Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Irwin Shapiro - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:45:09 EST ID:DGSw25sg No.57599
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lets talk about it.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Sun, 21 Apr 2019 13:06:11 EST ID:ht91M9a1 No.57655 Report Reply
>>57611
>>57616
How did you guys end up in this timeline? There is no Sting theory ITT.
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Thomas Henderson - Mon, 22 Apr 2019 11:58:12 EST ID:457vC2+I No.57656 Ignore Report Reply
>>57655
>>57603
>>This post was edited by Therm0ptic on 21-04-2019 13:01:01
Slick. Sting is real, you will not erase us. The spice mélange will preserve him, forever and ever, in '80s Brit new wave we trust, amen.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Mon, 22 Apr 2019 17:54:43 EST ID:Td1/8Jcw No.57657 Report Reply
>>57656
>implying Sting exists in this timeline
Now I'm not a suppressive dictator, but if you continue to advocate this "truth" I will feed you to my circle of unstable Cymeks.


Black hole sun Won't you come And wash away the rain Black hole sun Won't you come Won't you come Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Henry Draper - Wed, 10 Apr 2019 10:40:58 EST ID:eygzYfFg No.57629
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These absolutely crazy mofos did it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-47873592

They took a picture of the universe's asshole. WTF mate, the amount of data they had to collect is just mindboggling.
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Therm0ptic !cyBOrG7t12 - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 10:14:20 EST ID:ht91M9a1 No.57651 Report Reply
>>57650
You would be desirable to have a real convo with if you didn't burst into barely-related rants and incorrect assumptions as a response.
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Charles Bolton - Thu, 18 Apr 2019 11:15:42 EST ID:457vC2+I No.57652 Ignore Report Reply
>>57648
>>You're talking about usenet.
>>a flurry of pulsing lights which are interpretable by me as the words of your petty rant.
I wasn't replying to a post on usenet. The person I was replying to didn't make their post on usenet. I was replying to a post made in this thread on this board of this chan. This chan is not usenet.

>>57650
You never responded to any of the substantive claims made against what you were saying. The most basic being; how can you claim science has no use if you're using it to make that claim? You responded with progressively more childish arguments, so you got the same back in kind. Notice how merely using the word 'triggered' got you to ignore two whole paragraphs of material you could have had a discourse with? So this is more indication to me of hypocrisy; you claim to want to debate, but really you want to make unjustified claims and not back them up and get incensed over the tone of the discussion (which you brought down.) Which is fine -- but people will call you out on it.
>>go work your social manipulation techniques
If, as you claim, my objective is to get you so riled up I don't even have to bother disputing your (unpresented) arguments then that seems to be exactly what has happened, so it would seem I'm succeeding? My actual objective is to have a meaningful discussion and hopefully elevate your understanding and I'm failing at that, but as I care very little when someone is so vitriolic out the gate, it doesn't bother me much. However you can't have it both ways; either you admit that I am actually trying to have a debate and you're deflecting that, which is why I'm bad at manipulation, or I'm good at manipulation, which is why you're incapable of defending your claim.

>> 2+2 will never equal five
Indeed. But what you're saying is 2 I'm saying is 3, and we can proceed no further until we examine evidence as to whether it is actually 2 or 3.
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William Fowler - Sat, 20 Apr 2019 11:09:11 EST ID:izGRJ+VN No.57653 Ignore Report Reply
When seeing the news about this the first thing that came to my mind was that the Internet Kooks and Alex Jones-esque "science is wrong and evil" types will be absolutely livid about this.
It seems that was right.


Evidence of Life on Mars? Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Edward Pickering - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 07:04:17 EST ID:sojeXM9D No.57606
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http://journalofastrobiology.com/Mars5.html
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Irwin Shapiro - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:27:20 EST ID:aGo2dCNY No.57625 Ignore Report Reply
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>>57624
>dark matter
Imagine inventing a mysterious invisible force when your theories and numbers don't dovetail with observable reality. Wouldn't a normal person call the numbers and theories into question instead of announcing that ghosts are the reason why their perfect and unquestionable theory doesn't produce the numbers which are observed in IRL? Instead we get
>the theory works if splonge
>splonge?
>splonge. hmm i wonder
>splonge!
>splonge, yes its splonge for sure
>rabble splonge rabble rabble rabble splonge
>oh yeah, sponge for me too boss
>hey everybody, splonge!
>and the nobel prize for physics goes to the department head for his splonge theorem
like srsly, why not just invoke jesus?
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Arno Penzias - Thu, 04 Apr 2019 14:55:15 EST ID:D3ZayY6M No.57627 Ignore Report Reply
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>>57607
It is. The first snapshot on Wayback Machine from 2018 shows that the "journal"'s about page links to cosmology.com, aka the well-known sham Journal of Cosmology, and the two publications appear to share the exact same staff.

Here are a few of them, if you're curious. Wickramasinghe of course had a prolific scientific career in astrochemistry before going off the deep end and claiming, among other things, that the red rain of Kerala was alien bacteria trying to invade the Earth and that all the numerous well-preserved Archaeopteryx dino-bird fossils are hoaxes. Deepak needs no introduction. And the third guy, the executive editor-in-chief, is also the lead author of the Mars paper! Wow, the peer review must've been super thorough with no conflicts of interest
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Johan Galle - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 23:11:14 EST ID:9YXtXzja No.57649 Ignore Report Reply
>>57624
The only place anyone is going to listen to you, sincerely, is /pol/


Space is genuinely terrifying and I love it. Ignore Report View Thread Reply
James Randi - Tue, 05 Mar 2019 08:35:50 EST ID:CxvjOUYt No.57550
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I was listening to an episode of "The last podcast on the left". They were talking about the WOW signal.
If you aren't familiar LPOTL is a bit like coast to coast AM but hosted by some guys who are actual skeptics and fun. So some of this may not be accurate but its fun to think about.

They were saying that if it was anything intelligent broadcasting that we only got a snippit of the message because at the time scans of the sky were limited to rotation of the earth (they used the number 72 seconds but i have a feeling that was an approximation), then later when the location of the signals point of origin was found it was a region of space with no stars or really any thing at all.

The hosts speculated also if it was intelligent due it being in that really empty place in space and then we never saw it there again, it's likely the sender were simply in transit some where and we picked up some distant comunicqae of a "passing ship i nthe night".


although its like 900% more likley to be random noise or a misinterpreted signal from earth/[%]
Thats so wonderful and creepy at the same time.
It gets my dick rock hard
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Johann Bode - Sat, 16 Mar 2019 21:11:38 EST ID:rNBxnMOH No.57574 Ignore Report Reply
>>57552
I also really don't think yelling "dynamite!" is necessarily the best way to end a message to aliens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUd74Ocyvfc

Apparently they sent 10,000 twitter shitposts and some video clips from celebrities as the 2012 reply
https://www.space.com/17151-alien-wow-signal-response.html
...I hope no one finds that one. Can we just let NASA or someone remain in charge of these sorts of things?
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James Randi - Wed, 10 Apr 2019 06:00:28 EST ID://G04NrM No.57628 Ignore Report Reply
>>57572
Dude you should read enders game.
And maybe the first starship troopers book.
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Wilhelm Beer - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 00:33:49 EST ID:YUAJt5eW No.57642 Ignore Report Reply
We should send a rickroll into space.


zOMG it spins! Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Caroline Herschel - Thu, 21 Mar 2019 02:08:39 EST ID:aGo2dCNY No.57582
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lets say you were somewhat nearby a rapidly rotating neutron star such that the star's diameter was a significant portion of the distance from the star. Would the star's effective center of gravity be offset towards the approaching limb because of the relative velocities and redshifts of the approaching side versus the retreating one?
If its real, how significant would the effect be? Does the effect imply that the gravity well isn't symmetrical?
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Christiaan Huygens - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 00:52:31 EST ID:aGo2dCNY No.57617 Ignore Report Reply
>>57610
thats how you're meant to do it
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_experiment
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George Hale - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 22:12:14 EST ID:457vC2+I No.57620 Ignore Report Reply
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>>57617
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Jacob Kapteyn - Mon, 01 Apr 2019 23:40:44 EST ID:aGo2dCNY No.57626 Ignore Report Reply
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>>57620


NSFW PICS ITT Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Joseph Lockyer - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 00:14:59 EST ID:aGo2dCNY No.57605
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galaxies fucking
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Edwin Salpeter - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 20:02:57 EST ID:WgUmKU+A No.57619 Ignore Report Reply
>>57605
doggystyle, I like it
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Karl von Weizsacker - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 16:43:59 EST ID:izGRJ+VN No.57622 Ignore Report Reply
> passing through each other several times and eventually merging into a massive spherical orb

seems epic doesn't it?
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Allan Sandage - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 18:11:33 EST ID:3VIsfVg3 No.57623 Ignore Report Reply
>>57622
HNNNG say that again slut


WTF is up with barred spirals? Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Jan Hendrik Oort - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 22:16:58 EST ID:aGo2dCNY No.57596
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Why did all of the material in those two spiral arms lose all of their angular momentum and head for the core at the same time? I bet those two hard right turns those arms tax are separated by 15-20kpc. Since so many galaxies do this, whatever is happening to this one must be pretty common.
Also check out all those galaxies buried in the background, there must be some kinda awesome galaxy cluster back there.
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Margaret Burbidge - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 00:42:49 EST ID:aGo2dCNY No.57614 Ignore Report Reply
>>57600
>George Airy
'airy dicks
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George Herbig - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 19:24:04 EST ID:JdYAGiGD No.57615 Ignore Report Reply
>>57598

Yeah, dude. Reality is ducking gnarly, isn't it? Truth is stranger than fiction. This universe is just so utterly magnificent and complex, it boggles me endlessly.

I love staring at the nigh sky, trying to imagine the incomprehensibly large distances between objects in space, and wondering who else is out there, not on this Earth, wondering as I wonder.
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Christiaan Huygens - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 01:04:51 EST ID:aGo2dCNY No.57618 Ignore Report Reply
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heres an image i found which completely explains galactic rotation curves in terms of an expanding rather than a static universe. given that the hubble constant is 68 meters per second per kiloparsec and galaxy is several kpc wide, the velocity necessary to maintain a circular orbit increases substantially with radius rather than falling off without any necessary dark matter present. the imaginary shell of dark matter causing apparent negative graviton doesn't exist, the apparent negative gravitation is probably the momentum left over from the pre-decoupling era or som shit like that.


Fermi Paradox... why? Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Henrietta Levitt - Thu, 22 May 2014 00:54:34 EST ID:ILYTISHs No.53812
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Another thread made me start thinking about this. The Fermi Paradox states (thanks, Wikipedia):

>The Sun is a young star. There are billions of stars in the galaxy that are billions of years older;
>Some of these stars probably have Earth-like planets which, if the Earth is typical, may develop intelligent life;
>Presumably, some of these civilizations will develop interstellar travel, a technology Earth is investigating even now, such as that used in the proposed 100 Year Starship;
>At any practical pace of interstellar travel, the galaxy can be completely colonized in a few tens of millions of years.

If that's the case, why haven't we been colonized already, or at least seen evidence of intelligent life somewhere in our galaxy?

My take: either A) Life takes a long time to develop, and somehow, improbably, we're the first planet to develop an intelligent civilization in our galaxy, or at least one of the first. We don't see anyone else because there isn't anyone else to see... yet, or we're all still too far apart.

Or b) Given the size and composition constraints of a planet able to foster and sustain life (as far as we know, "habitable zone," big enough to have an atmosphere, small enough to still be rocky, etc.) and continue long enough for said life to begin to explore the galaxy, the home planet simply runs out of resources before meaningful headway can be made. I think this is more of a slow-death kind of thing where maybe we get to do some exploration within the solar system and maybe a bit beyond for a while, but overpopulation, war, disease, famine, and whatever else causes us to realign our priorities from space exploration to merely sustaining life on our own planet. A civilization that had the foresight to know something like that was happening could theoretically, if they had the goal of galactic expansion from the start, avoid this situation, but the problem is that NO civilization has that kind of 10,000 year plan from the get-go, and they all sputter out right before they could have pulled it off. There's not a textbook on "how to succeed as a species" that gets handed out to a life form when it develops self-awareness,…
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George Gamow - Fri, 01 Mar 2019 15:30:51 EST ID:457vC2+I No.57548 Ignore Report Reply
>>57545
>>Kardashev IV: Energy output equivalent to the universe
>>such a civilization could not be detected, as its activities would be indistinguishable from the workings of nature (there being nothing to compare them to)
The obvious end-point of all speculations on science and technology. "God of the Gaps" chased to the edge of the cliff, Clarke's technology indistinguishable from magic. It's useful as a thought experiment, but it's not a scientific theory by definition, because it's unfalsifiable. *Any* speculation about a Type IV civilization is inherently non-scientific, for the reason given in yellowtext above. Any experiment you could possibly design to test the theory could never give a meaningful result, because any result could be manipulated by the Type IVs and you'd have no way to know. Note that saying it's not scientific doesn't mean it might not be true, but it also says we'll never know for sure that it is true, unless someday we develop a heuristic more powerful than the scientific method.

>>Aliens need FTL to reach us, once near FTL i'm assuming the hard-limits of science are also approaching an end, so finding aliens/ships/ aliens finding us (in ships),(like the ones we draw and talk about for the most part) most definitely, a meme
Naw. Just because FTL is beyond our current scientific horizon doesn't mean it's actually the end of science. People thought the discoveries of electricity and radium were signs of the end of scientific progress. The next hill to go over always obscures the most of your vision; doesn't mean it's the top of the mountain.
Which means that if "aliens" (really, might as well call them gods at this point) did create the rules of our universe and manipulate them for ends completely unknown to us (but at least somewhat within the scope of 'our benefit' thanks to anthropic tuning) then they could also create as many other 'aliens' at our level of development as they wanted to, too. They could suspend or tighten the laws of FTL in any way they wanted, and besides, it seems pretty wasteful to create a whole infinite universe just to get one planet's wo…
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Fritz Zwicky - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 19:58:43 EST ID:Ku6y32q2 No.57580 Ignore Report Reply
>>57548

>It's clearly within their power to do whatever they like

Imagine if they're as limited to their own perspective as we are to ours. I suppose that our limitations are continually realized that as we advance scientifically we discover ever more which we don't know.
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Friedrich Bessel - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 21:37:23 EST ID:457vC2+I No.57581 Ignore Report Reply
>>57580
Relative to us, they can do whatever they like, if this is their universe. They would have constraints themselves of some kind, presumably, in their native universe, but probably on an order beyond our comprehension. If existence as such is some sort of self-generating alien simulation, that's somewhat of a more inexplicable situation. Can something really bootstrap itself into existence, or does the fact that something exist necessarily imply a pre-existing ground for existence to take place in? (This is pretty much why Type IV talk is definitely more of a /pss/, /wc/ or frankly /spooky/ thing)


high redshift mirrors Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Grote Reuber - Wed, 06 Mar 2019 13:31:08 EST ID:wIGiff+l No.57553
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lets say you were able to place a mirror in space out at such a distance that the mirror experience cosmological redshift from your perspective. If you were to shoot a laser beam of some wavelength at the mirror then the light reflecting off the mirror would be a longer wavelength than the originating laser because of the relativistic doppler effect.
what wavelength would the light be when it got back to you after bouncing off the mirror? would it be the original wavelength or would it be redshifted?
if its not the original wavelength then how was energy conserved?
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Friedrich von Struve - Tue, 19 Mar 2019 07:34:25 EST ID:izGRJ+VN No.57577 Ignore Report Reply
>>57575
I don't think there is any information lost from redshift. It's the underlying space that is expanded during redshit, not the lightwave itself.
If you are in a reference frame that negates that expansion, you get exactly the "original" wavelength.

So I think this "relativistic reference frame" telescope would theoretically work.
There are some practical considerations though:
Pointing a telescope in the direction of travel means it is exposed to all the interstellar dust.
So you maybe need a vanguard of other ships that absorb it so it doesn't wreck you instruments.
Apart from that I think we could actually calculate if it's feasible to move that fast at all, drag of the interstellar medium becomes significant once you hit a considerable fraction of c.
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Charles Bolton - Tue, 19 Mar 2019 19:11:02 EST ID:457vC2+I No.57578 Ignore Report Reply
>>57577
In star trek sci fi shows they use electromagnetic fields to control interstellar dust. Could it be simple as ionizing the telescope? Also, though it would negate some of the benefits of having a large aperture to observe large wavelengths, if the telescope was quite small it might be possible for it to exist entirely within the bowshock of a forward facing shield. Would limit its field of view, but directly forward objects might not be the ideal candidates anyway because of the blueshift thing.
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Paul Goldsmith - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 05:55:06 EST ID:4o5sH+7r No.57579 Ignore Report Reply
>>57577
>Pointing a telescope in the direction of travel means it is exposed to all the interstellar dust.
destroy everything in your path using the power of relativistic beaming


Cartoons are not proof of reality. NASA is lying to you. Locked Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Annie Cannon - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 04:07:18 EST ID:IqZLNWNv No.57557
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>Look at every post on this page.
ALL CGI and CARTOONS, no real images of Earth or anything from over 100 miles high. BIG RED FLAG.

>NASA and affiliated agencies have not been to space.
>Nobody has ever been over 100 miles high.
>Physics demonstrates to us that's as high as anything can go - which is why all images from over 100 miles up, are CARTOONS.
IT ain't rocket science ya know...


>The implication here, is that you were lied to as a child by government agencies and told you lived on a ball shaped Earth with no exit... A prison planet.
>You were born into a Jew run slave labor colony, and fed bullshit as you grew up.
It is not your fault.
>Jesus and God are not real. Evolution is bullshit, Globe Earth is a cartoon, and the Big Bang theory was created by a catholic priest.

If you are a science minded person, understand the ball shaped potato Earth is not real, it is bullshit, and does not exist in the real world outside of bogus math equations and cartoons.
Locked
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Thread was locked by: Mintzs
Reason: please take stupid conspiracy theories to /tinfoil/
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Annie Cannon - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 04:23:56 EST ID:IqZLNWNv No.57566 Ignore Report Reply
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>Great channel to learn about the REAL Earth you live upon.
>Science only. Pure science.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8EdDxyNqmg
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Annie Cannon - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 04:25:35 EST ID:IqZLNWNv No.57567 Ignore Report Reply
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http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/08/200-proofs-earth-is-not-spinning-ball.html

>200 Proofs Earth is not a spinning ball.
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Annie Cannon - Thu, 07 Mar 2019 04:27:52 EST ID:IqZLNWNv No.57568 Ignore Report Reply
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>Quoting “Heaven and Earth” by Gabrielle Henriet.
“If flying had been invented at the time of Copernicus, there is no doubt that he would have soon realized that his contention regarding the rotation of the earth was wrong, on account of the relation existing between the speed of an aircraft and that of the earth’s rotation.

If the earth rotates, as it is said, at 1,000 miles an hour, and a plane flies in the same direction at only 500 miles, it is obvious that its place of destination will be farther removed every minute.

On the other hand, if flying took place in the direction opposite to that of the rotation, a distance of 1,500 miles would be covered in one hour, instead of 500, since the speed of the rotation is to be added to that of the plane.

It could also be pointed out that such a flying speed of 1,000 miles an hour, which is supposed to be that of the earth’s rotation, has recently been achieved, so that an aircraft flying at this rate in the same direction as that of the rotation could not cover any ground at all.

It would remain suspended in mid-air over the spot from which it took off, since both speeds are equal.”


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George Gamow - Thu, 21 Feb 2019 04:17:57 EST ID:5UfVWq6v No.57539
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While we were all out I was wondering about gravitons. If they're analogues of photons in a sense then gravitons should exist in a spectrum like photons, etc. Our ability to manipulate and understand the photon is pretty miraculous, but how would something like a prism for gravitons work? Prisms function with light because the speed of light in the medium is different than it is outside, what is there that could change the speed of a graviton or reflect it?
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Joseph-Louis Lagrange - Fri, 01 Mar 2019 01:01:44 EST ID:aGo2dCNY No.57546 Ignore Report Reply
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>>57544
>I think any analogy breaks down when you strain it beyond the point where it makes sense
I agree, but stressing theory to the breaking point is what gedankenexperiment is all about. Thats one of the things I learned in school. I lot of people were convinced black holes existed well before any observations suggesting such a thing were made. They were able to estimate that these things were around based on thought experiments (gedankenexperiment) with extreme mass densities.
The case of a larger, less dense object intercepting more flux of gravitons could easily be explained away by the weakly interacting nature of the graviton. Observations of the moon during eclipse suggest that graviton shadowing doesn't happen. Somewhere or other I read that gravitons interact with matter at about the same rate as a neutrino, so they don't behave like a photon as far the graviton's force carrying concept goes.
To take an even broader view of the situation, it also seems unlikely that a person who has all of the modern distractions facing them 24/7 is likely to think up something better than some professional nerd from the 1950s who only had books and slide rules to look at, but neglecting that for the moment, its still a fascinating topic.
Given that gravity bends space and time in the way that it does, I don't even completely buy the idea that gravity is the force in question. If distances apparently increase as one travels towards a massive object then maybe the mass is emitting space.
Anyway its something interesting to think about. Kip Thorne has a thousand and one alternative cosmologies that he invented to match observations which have potential explanation outside the mainstream, one of which is that the expansion of the universe is due to the random winking into existence of a single hydrogen nuclei once every million years per cubic parsec. He doesn't believe any of his own bullshit I don't think.
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George Gamow - Fri, 01 Mar 2019 15:11:37 EST ID:457vC2+I No.57547 Ignore Report Reply
>>57546
You're pointing out the intellectual poverty on a meta-theoretic level of standard cosmology, and I think for some people that's so obvious as to not need statement, but most rank-and-file academics and science-literate people are still wholly convinced that LCDM has everything figured out, which is why we're stuck where we are. I think the reason you're seeing such a marked uptick in hangwringing over LCDM in the literature is precisely because the 'average' physicist has been exposed to these realities long enough to realize just how little ground they cover, and for just how long science is willing to wander into blind alleys, and are now figuring out how to communicate that to the faithful masses. Actually making a fundamental revolution in theory on the order you're suggesting (something that could recontextualize relativity) would create a shockwave in world affairs just as severe as Einstein's discovery did. So I would suggest it's not just that science has become dogmatic, or that scientists and people in general are buried under waves of distraction (which were all, incidentally, made possible by the scientific breakthroughs of the previous generation) but that the broader socio-cultural conditions aren't favorable to another drastic change. There are plenty of people who have alternative concepts, but it isn't in the zeitgeist to take them seriously, especially during the process of the breakdown of the current zeitgeist whose intellectual foundations lie in the previous wave of discovery.

So what I'm really saying is, wait 20 years. Breakthrough does not come out of comfort and distraction, it comes out of strife on the edge of oblivion. Einstein came up with relativity in a filthy trench under artillery bombardment -- and don't think that European academia's willingness to jettison the luminiferous aether in the face of relativity had nothing to do with national spirits broken by adherence to the previous centuries' failed philosophies and perspectives.

Democritus came up with the atom and Alexander of Hero came up with the steam engine thousands of years before either would become accepted and used, and not because o…
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Thomas Henderson - Sat, 02 Mar 2019 02:52:25 EST ID:aGo2dCNY No.57549 Ignore Report Reply
>>57547
All of what your wrote about societal unwillingness to accept new discoveries rings true even if does seem so stupid. Greeks could've had steamships, but they were already satisfied with what they had? Oh well, too bad for them I guess.
The Wright brother's invention wasn't acknowledged by the general public until years after they'd been flying.

The idea of space or time being created beyond the event horizon must be a retarded alternative explanation for the apparent expansion of the universe given that it takes place beyond the event horizon, I just pulled that one of out my ass when I was wondering what happens at the bottom of a gravity well when it changes from being part of the curvature to the XYZ plane into being a hole with sides that are nearly or eventually perpendicular to the XYZ plane.


Sagittarius Dwarf Galaxy: Home? Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Arthur Eddington - Fri, 19 Oct 2018 18:25:45 EST ID:457vC2+I No.57470
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>>original article
http://viewzone.com/milkyway.html
>>rebuttal
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2007/06/27/is-the-sun-from-another-galaxy/#.W8pUPmhKiUk

Quick rundown of the findings, which are earth-shattering if fully true, and still quite interesting if only partially true: our galaxy is orbited by a smaller spheroidal dwarf galaxy currently visible within the constellation Sagittarius. For hundreds of millions of years, it has been orbiting in a perpendicular orbit after having been pulled into the Milky Way's gravity, having stars pulled off of it each time it passes through the galactic disk, to the point now where it is very small, faint, and nearly at the point of losing gravitational cohesion. You can see a visualization of the stream of radiation left by the galaxy astronomers used to determine its path in the pic.

Now this is where it gets interesting.

It just so happens that Sol is directly within this stream of debris. For 99.9% of our orbit around the galaxy, we wouldn't be within that stream. Also, incidentally, we are at an angle to the plane of the galaxy, which was always thought a little bit odd, since most stars planetary orbital plane is parallel to the galactic plane since during accretion their accretion disks are subject to inertial forces from the star's orbit around the galaxy.

Given the extreme odds of us just happening to be within that stream, it would seem to suggest that Sol itself is native to the dwarf, having been pulled out on the dwarf's last passage through the galactic plane.

Implications:
-The period of the dwarf's orbit is around 200 million years. It is roughly 25% of the way through its orbit counting from our position in the galactic plane, which means we would have been caught by the Milky Way about 50 million years ago. The last time we passed through the plane before that, presumably still gravitationally bound to the dwarf, would have been 150 million years ago.
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Edwin Hubble - Sun, 24 Feb 2019 05:52:39 EST ID:U4u72hWB No.57541 Ignore Report Reply
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>>57470
uneducated pleb here. would it be a good idea to strive for escaping back to the drawf galaxy assuming out system came from there? If this galaxy has higher radiation than that dwarf galaxy which supposedly we evolved from. 150 million years or so i the estimate for the transit that's with in our line of evolution isn't it? Then should we worry about an inevitable dead end in ou evolution or would we acclimate? Maybe escaping this galaxy would be a good idea esp if the fermi paradox is thrown right out the window giving the conditions here, who knows what the fuck lives here. But I'm more interested in our basic survival odds, not counting for the clockwork mass destruction events.

This some sci fi shit my dudes.
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Bernard Burke - Mon, 25 Feb 2019 19:19:08 EST ID:457vC2+I No.57542 Ignore Report Reply
>>57541
These are all unknowns, however the suggestion I made in OP was that mammals kind of are life's 'adaptation' to the current environment. But I mean, if we're going to survive in the galaxy long term, being biological organisms prone to radiation makes us vulnerable in lots of other ways too. So it's best just to fix that.
Besides, the level of tech we would need to migrate to the dwarf is way higher than the level of tech we (or any other aliens) would need to become machines, so if this galaxy is indeed fatal to organic life, most civilizations would converge on that as the optimal solution I think.
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Johann Bode - Sat, 16 Mar 2019 20:38:40 EST ID:rNBxnMOH No.57573 Ignore Report Reply
>>57541
OP's post sounds like a bunch of absolute hogwash and I cannot find any other sources for it than his own link which literally discusses things like bigfoot alongside this.
>Then should we worry about an inevitable dead end in ou evolution or would we acclimate?
No because we are currently living in a man made mass extinction event already caused in part but not entirely by climate change (the rest of the mass extinction is due to numerous other factors of human activity like 7 billion hungry mouths stripping the ocean of all sea life, completely eradicating entire species by hunting them to extinction like the Wooly Mammoth, and numerous factors from our reckless massively polluting and sharply expanding urban civilization). The amount of destruction on a global scale reminds me of a bacterial sheet. The human organism became out of whack and overcolonized its own petri dish. I think the current stage in humanity is ample evidence that intelligent technological civilizations are unlikely to ever be found because in the few instances where it happened it likely destroyed itself either wiping out the civilization or outright sterilizing much of the planet, and that is assuming these societies didn't do something really stupid like knock themselves out of orbit careening into the sun, creating a massive enough singularity to swallow their planet whole before evaporating, or any number of other scenarios in which case the actual planet itself no longer exists.

But as for now, what happens in millions of years is pretty fucking irrelevant to us when we're talking about things like climate change moving us towards ecological and societal collapse within the next hundred or two hundred years.


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Jessica Tandy needs candy !!vVWR8L52 - Mon, 29 Oct 2018 19:21:02 EST ID:F2wgR3l2 No.57479
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And before you ask /tinfoil/ is currently in the middle of forum sliding and if this it's treated as a serious topic then that's like saying climate to deniers are right

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e5ACN9iF8Jw
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=qkRnJutL5ko
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=CGjFAe018oA

I have included counter arguments so that people can reach their own conclusions, it's hard to go against the grain and try to prove a point therefore

>It certainly is interesting to see the shift of focus in space programs from official government organisations to privately-run organisations. Whether or not that's a good thing will, of course, vary with your political views, but the ultimate outcome isn't much different. After all, corporations are driven by profit, not the pursuit of knowledge or truth.
>What is surprising, however, is the new generation of people shouting "It's true, I saw it on TV!" Except this time, it's the Internet. We have already witnessed the shortfalls of this blind belief in online materials; just consider recent US elections, the political Facebook campaigns in the UK, or the many fake-news sites run from countries like Macedonia.

In the days of Newton and Hailey there weren't dogmatic schools that tried to systemize learning. People were free to experiment and come up with theories, look at Faraday, the father of electricity. He was smart even though he didn't have a degree.

Basically universities are what the Catholic Church was back then (let's grow up no alter boy jokes please) in that they are dogmatic and have a reason to protect their source of money and funding.

I mean why was the Bush administration so keen on going to mars?
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Michael - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 23:38:20 EST ID:Q1CtxL06 No.57530 Ignore Report Reply
>>57514
apostrophes are an Illuminati conspiracy, get woke fool
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Georges-Henri Lemaitre - Fri, 07 Dec 2018 16:17:18 EST ID:fA4CdeQA No.57532 Ignore Report Reply
>>57508

TRUTH! Have you ever seen the moon except in pictures? That's because it's all edited in by nasa. Aliens implanted false memories of seeing the moon. It's all a big conspiracy to keep the human race ignorant and in line.
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Jessica Tandy needs candy !!vVWR8L52 - Tue, 11 Dec 2018 22:55:57 EST ID:wlUjYsjb No.57538 Ignore Report Reply
No ones proved me wrong yet!

Wo wo we!

I recently thought why couldn't Earth be like an Age of Empires II map?


Building Blocks of Life Found on Mars Ignore Report View Thread Reply
Otto Struve - Thu, 07 Jun 2018 19:12:35 EST ID:eygzYfFg No.57290
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https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018/06/mars-organic-compounds-methane-curiosity-space-science/

>Two landmark discoveries reveal organic carbon on the red planet, shaping the future hunt for life on Mars.

I'm scared guys. This could mean life is common in the universe, which means the Great Filter is ahead of us instead of behind us.

😰😰😰😰😰

Then again, maybe this can show us the Great Filter is already behind us but when it comes to cosmic horror, I'm a half-empty kinda guy.
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Paul Goldsmith - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:42:25 EST ID:457vC2+I No.57528 Ignore Report Reply
>>57527
Well, how could I know that's why you quoted it? You didn't make a comment about it, and its just a fact. But if you just change my post from saying, 'by cosmic rays, though', but to 'by cosmic rays, as you imply' then it comes out the same.

To be clear, however, just because organics in Titan's atmosphere aren't biological in origin, doesn't mean Titan itself doesn't support life, it just doesn't mean that it does support life. It could have subterranean earth-like biota, or support life that operates on a different biochemistry. We just don't know until we go there.

But, Europa is probably a better candidate moon to find earth-like life, for sure.
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Galileo Galilei - Thu, 06 Dec 2018 18:46:48 EST ID:rNBxnMOH No.57529 Ignore Report Reply
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>>57524
I wasn't talking about human societies. I was talking about alien societies. I explicitly meant that there is a high chance humanity wipes itself out as within a very tiny period of time we went from industrialization to almost killing a lot of the biosphere with nuclear weapons--which we still might do in the next century--as well as things like climate change. What if we created a runaway greenhouse effect? Maybe not totally Venus tier, but something like it? We have already proven of ourselves within a single generation that the jump to that kind of pre-space industrial advancement could easily kill us all. It is not inconceivable that a majority of races in the universe that did make that jump to industrialization types of societies promptly ended up killing themselves and most of the planet, just as much as it is conceivable that on many planets a type of life similar to bacteria arising promptly (in geological terms) farted out enough oxygen into the atmosphere to kill almost everyone microbial thus creating a near-human breathable atmosphere.

What I am stating is that man is a bacteria I want to see infecting other worlds but the problem is that it is quite proven how hazardous it is to make that jump towards being a more advanced technological society without dooming themselves somehow. Not to mention as I stated previously that humanity as anything but a vaguely enlightened tribe of apes has only existed for tens of thousands of years, and that the accepted span for "historical" that is to say post-agricultural man has existed for only 10-17.000 years, which is absolutely nothing in geological terms of the hundreds of millions of years of life on earth.

Ergo, you are not just plotting the spatial but also the temporal coordinates to a planet in which a) life has arisen, b) life is at the stage of abstract thinking, c) life has achieved technical progress and advancement without having killed itself in the process. While the universe and even our local stellar cluster may be vast, that is actually an incredibly small set of coordinates.

It would of course be much, much easier if you could somehow greatly expand either your spatial or temporal search.
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George Airy - Tue, 11 Dec 2018 18:09:21 EST ID:HUBAqrsF No.57537 Ignore Report Reply
>>57529

gotta fold thru them higher dimensions, wrinkle in time nigga


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