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What if real space is whats outside this reality? Oh God this is driving me nuts

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- Wed, 20 May 2015 02:17:19 EST ipV4Szrg No.55327
File: 1432102639228.jpg -(845941B / 826.11KB, 1024x768) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. What if real space is whats outside this reality? Oh God this is driving me nuts
What if this reality (all of its dimensions which are interconnected) exist in a vacuum like we observe outside of the limits of Earth, but on a higher scale?
And what if BEINGS like "angels" or "gods" existed in this "space"?
Could any "being" from this realm ever exist in this new concept of "space"?
What implications does this have on philosophy, on religion, on spirituality, on the meaning of life in general?
If this was somehow proven to be true, what is the purposed of living here on a smaller, obviously now inferior scale?
Is it meaningless to think of such a thing in this life, even if it was real?
Even more importantly does anyone know what I'm talking about?
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Tycho Brahe - Thu, 21 May 2015 17:07:26 EST eJc7PJV5 No.55335 Reply
OP next time you're gonna fly somewhere, take the window seat of a plane and watch out the window as it takes off...
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Allan Sandage - Fri, 22 May 2015 11:36:01 EST oFxIIvpQ No.55349 Reply
>>55331

>>55335

You're right.
Don't smoke a pound of DMT your first time, right....
This kinda thinking only leads to one place eventually...
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Arthur Eddington - Fri, 22 May 2015 17:43:29 EST eJc7PJV5 No.55353 Reply
>>55349
Smoking a pound of DMT is stupid... IMO it would be better to take progressively large doses each time, and to space things out. High speed mental re-formatting is fun as fuck but don't give the people at D.A.R.E. the opportunity of using your misuse to give a bad name for DMT

cause science

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- Sat, 09 May 2015 05:30:50 EST PbKyoTEf No.55282
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Maybe I'm just too uneducated of a pleb in the realm of physics to see why this isn't the case, but can someone explain to me why, if we need to adjust our models with something that is 97% at least partially empirically unsubstantiated (dark matter-energy) then why don't we question first if there is some flaw in our model or bias in our thinking?
Thought experiment to exemplify: for the most part, we as biological beings as well as our most advanced instrumentation can detect faster than light particles in only the most abstruse ways; our perception, as is perhaps natural given our evolutionary heritage, is tuned to light. Might the supposition that no (or only special) particles go FTL be an example of circular thinking? Could not the existence of small but significant portions of the universe moving faster than light at any given time, such as ships from interstellar civilizations, or perhaps natural ftl phenomena which is invisible to our photon based instrumentation, account for the observed matter-energy discrepancy (given that an ftl object would disporportionately displace and deflect photons compared to any object moving in normal space, and that, if such ftl worked on means of creating geometric distortions in spacetime such as the Alcubierre drive, produce a net distortion on the observed mass of the universe by the fact of their mass negating local spacetime frames. )
This idea is cobbled together from wikipedia articles, some post-sec hard sciences, watching too much star trek and being turnt the fuck up. If someone more versed in physics can explain to me why there is a very good reason this cannot be the case, I'd very much like to hear it.
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Edwin Hubble - Tue, 12 May 2015 19:14:35 EST RVWMYu65 No.55316 Reply
>>55310
Not exactly. Dark energy is most commonly explained by the presence of a cosmological constant. It's a term in Einstein's GR which falls out in the derivation, Einstein famously used it to fix a relativistic universe to be static when really the equations would predict a collapsing or expanding universe in the presence of matter only. The cosmological constant seems perfectly capable of doing the job but there are concerns with it and particle physics. In a sense the cosmological constant is gravity as we understand it today.

The next idea is to remove the issues with particle physics and set the cosmological constant to zero. It is replaced with modifications to Einstein's gravity at large scales. These other gravitational models can also describe dark energy as it is observed.

The other idea is of course 5th forces like quintessence. These are often harder to test but predictive models of them do exist.

This is why dark energy experiments are so big right now because cosmology has built a bridge to particle physics and the fundamental forces can be tested on the largest scales.
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Daniel Kirkwood - Fri, 15 May 2015 16:17:06 EST AKbZww5z No.55320 Reply
>>55315
I agree, this is a waste of time. This thread has clearly already come to it's conclusions, mostly through just reiterating your own thoughts so loudly that any idea I was articulating got drowned out. For all the shit you know, you are really fucking dumb as a brick and painfully -- dangerously -- narrow minded. If you can't see the circular arguments in your own statements, I feel sorry for you son. Keep worshipping at the scientism altar for as long as you like. Good luck with that.
Nb because this thread was shittrolled into never really discussing the matter of the OP.
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Annie Cannon - Sun, 17 May 2015 19:05:23 EST X4AXKa/R No.55323 Reply
>>55320
Your entire argument is circular as I pointed out. When pressed for evidence all you do is dig the hole deeper and deeper and gradually add insults as sophism fails.

Spacecoach

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- Mon, 11 May 2015 03:37:52 EST 1ALY54rn No.55304
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Anyone else hear about this idea, I think its pretty clever. Building non-atmospheric water ice/liquid inflatable craft and using the water as a low thrust high impulse engine fuel. This design also, potentially, solves other issues like hull integrity, radiation shielding, self-sustainable life support and maybe even supplying oxygen and hydrogen gases.

http://spacecoach.org/

Why aren't we building a moon base yet?

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- Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:51:23 EST 2JDq4Uoe No.55162
File: 1427248283576.jpg -(157411B / 153.72KB, 640x654) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Why aren't we building a moon base yet?
So hear me out guys, getting on the moon is seriously important.

Why is it so expensive and difficult for us to send things to space? It's because of 2 things, breaking free from the Earth's gravity and surviving re-entry into the atmosphere. All of our rockets, satellites, space probes, etc. have to have a massive amount of fuel and ablative armor.
The moon is located in a strategically beneficial spot, right at the top of Earth's gravity well. Once we spend the initial capital to establish a permanent or semi permanent settlement on the moon, the door to space really opens.
We can then design our spacecraft without the need for massive thrust and armor, and wont need to spend nearly as much fuel to get around out there. It doesnt take much to move an object through space, and breaking free of the moon's gravity is exponentially easier than breaking free from Terra. And moving resources from the moon to earth is even easier, just a little push and they fall back to earth on their own. With even a tiny colony on the moon to act as a port of sorts, the trouble of monetizing space mining is essentially solved. Not to mention the insane amount of solar power that can be gotten from the raw, unfiltered power of the Sun.

We need to do this guys, we're quickly running out of several natural resources, rare earth metals in particular, which we're only just beginning to rely heavily on (theyre used in just about any battery, especially phone batteries and electric cars) and they can all be found in the asteroid belt. The Moon is the answer, and it's right at our doorstep. If we could get there in the 60's with the computing equivalent of a dollar store calculator, then we have no excuses to not go with today's technology.

>TL;DR- fuck solving world hunger or social issues, lets just go to the moon.
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Robert Wilson - Thu, 16 Apr 2015 18:39:12 EST hfHw2FxQ No.55245 Reply
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Do you think the "Earth will not be habitable forever, we need to move on" message will get through to the politicians and other idiots? Nevermind the religious nuts who want the apocalypse to happen.
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Walter Baade - Tue, 05 May 2015 09:56:18 EST vRWwm6cm No.55277 Reply
You still have to get all the fuel and stuff to the moon, and assemble it there. May as well just do the same thing with LEO if you're going to space anyway.
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Fritz Zwicky - Thu, 07 May 2015 09:07:36 EST llcsDD25 No.55280 Reply
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>>55277
But that's wrong Walter, it's already there. There's an initial investment of resources sure, but that's true of anything.

sonic booms collide

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- Mon, 01 Dec 2014 04:15:48 EST BvXkbDPl No.54742
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what would it be if two sonic booms "collided" into each other?
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George Airy - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 22:45:49 EST a5zMFg9h No.55152 Reply
Consider what a sonic boom actually is: a pressure wave.
Matter waves pass through one another unaffected.
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Subramanyan Chandrasekhar - Sun, 12 Apr 2015 17:33:31 EST A9+znK2f No.55226 Reply
>>54742
a sonic boom colliding is redundant because a sonic boom is all ready the over stacking of sonic waves, isn't it?
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Riccardo Giacconi - Tue, 05 May 2015 23:56:06 EST 9S1uGKA/ No.55278 Reply
>>55226

But what if two jet planes traveling mach 1+ pass by each other, would the two groups of stacking sonic waves even interact with each other? or like the other guy said and pass through each other.

I for one, hope that they would create a MEGA boom.

the flow chart would be as such
super->mega->ultra->SHIT NIGGA YOU CRAZY

Theories on black holes/universe

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- Sun, 12 Apr 2015 08:39:25 EST g7PRBuUF No.55225
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What are some curious theories on what this all is? Existence in the universe is mind blowing when I sit down and think of what we are really a part of. What are your own theories about what we call 'space' is? Like, what's going on from a bigger perspective? Or smaller?
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Daniel Kirkwood - Sun, 19 Apr 2015 10:11:48 EST kJab1AwD No.55248 Reply
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>>55225


OP MOST 85% OF THE UNIVERSE IS DARK MATTER/EENERGY. ANDROID WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS BECAUSE NO ONE CAN SEE IT
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Alan Guth - Thu, 30 Apr 2015 11:32:10 EST 9uY/b809 No.55262 Reply
Am I the only one who thinks we are in the cosmic space turtles dream? Fuck.
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Clyde Tombaugh - Mon, 04 May 2015 10:53:18 EST 6YVGyMb+ No.55275 Reply
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I made up a story for school. Where the universe is a gaint being thats further then the 4th dimension and we live like microbes inside of it and only scens this being in a 3th dimensional way . But its on a scale so big we cant understand further than intended,just like microbes we just live our purpose but cant visualise the being where in. And black holes are like a chemo killing microbes or problems that harm the universe.

Don't believe the hype.

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- Fri, 01 May 2015 21:46:57 EST 4GGSsMJY No.55266
File: 1430531217860.jpg -(424453B / 414.50KB, 2048x1536) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Don't believe the hype.
My roommates are misinformation masters and even though I know you guys are smarter than this, but they are crafting a masterful troll work about how the ISS is damaged beyond repair. Look for it online. Lives lost money lost. Death on parade. Thy are some fucking idiots.
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Bernhard Schmidt - Sat, 02 May 2015 03:53:51 EST lHGvTKQL No.55268 Reply
>>55266
Thanks for the heads up but I gotta say the ISS is lame as shit, we can do better than that.

How about a spinning ring station tidally locked between our moon and the earth?
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Urbain Le Verrier - Sat, 02 May 2015 13:06:30 EST XJHlYsmW No.55270 Reply
No, ISS is fine.

There was however an ISS-bound Progress cargo ship that got damaged on the way up somehow and is tumbling uncontrollably. That may be what they're thinking of.
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Subramanyan Chandrasekhar - Sat, 02 May 2015 22:34:50 EST ihYE5feE No.55272 Reply
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>>55268
yeah, that would be way better.

I think ISS is situated so that they can ditch it if they want to stop paying for it though.
the ring station would probably stay up a lot longer.

but to be fair it is the most expensive object ever created by mankind and arguably one of our greatest acheivements.

Kind of a dumb question.

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- Wed, 18 Feb 2015 05:53:14 EST m296zImB No.55048
File: 1424256794604.jpg -(148947B / 145.46KB, 800x837) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Kind of a dumb question.
To live on another planet would the sun and the atmosphere be exactly like earth's? Or could we survive near a red dwarf if the planet was just at the right distance to maintain earthlike temperatures?
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Kip Thorne - Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:11:17 EST CtuAeZIA No.55237 Reply
>>55233
Dude, I know this is a drug board, but come on here...
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Margaret Burbidge - Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:32:45 EST YHjXylC8 No.55238 Reply
>>55233
Are you the guy claiming solipsism, therefore the Egyptians had advanced understanding of the universe in /b/?
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Harlow Shapley - Wed, 15 Apr 2015 01:23:31 EST 415JX8nG No.55239 Reply
>>55232
I guess personally I do actually believe there is a formal point of life in the grand scheme, but that's sci fi stuff. I didn't realize it came out so much, but I still stand by it.
There must be natural rules to alien life, universal forms, just like the formation of mountains. If evolution is dictated by the environment, similar environments should create similar life. We are more related to horses than we are to deer, but similar habitats, similar place in the food chain, and similar food sources created similar animals, at least morphologically.

Nourishment in space

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- Mon, 26 Jan 2015 13:40:12 EST y7G/p//a No.54944
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We won't be having hamburgers in space.

Or milk or eggs, for that matter. For every cow slaughtered for food there must be an incredible amount of food grown to sustain the cow. In space stations this may not be feasible due to limited space and resources. We'd be better off focusing energy on hydroponics and a vegan diet would probably be necessary in a long term colony or space station.
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42 Years at Bernie's - Tue, 07 Apr 2015 04:51:37 EST 0FbY93Uu No.55217 Reply
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>>54944
Sometimes I think Stephen Hawking doesn't even really know anything about space
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William Lassell - Tue, 07 Apr 2015 13:08:44 EST vv5qCj4m No.55218 Reply
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>>55052
As a carnivorous man I have never tasted jizz.
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42 Years at Bernie's - Tue, 07 Apr 2015 13:11:18 EST 0FbY93Uu No.55219 Reply
>>55218
Don't dip the pen in the company ink my man
Have a good day

Destroying planets

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- Wed, 25 Mar 2015 01:03:03 EST kbd81O3H No.55163
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Why would you want to destroy a planet?
In the movie Dark Star, they blew up entire worlds because "instable planets" could threaten the future colonization of other planets.
Is it viable to blow up a planet to mine it as with asteroids? What other use could it have? Elimination of gravitatory perturbances in an Interplanetary Transport Network?
Blowing it up wouldn't send tons of material into chaotic orbits?

Sorry for too many questions. I just read about asteroid mining and thought about why not Jupiter with all that hydrogen?
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Grote Reuber - Fri, 27 Mar 2015 18:04:33 EST CB4800qQ No.55177 Reply
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Too bad Galileo failed to ignite Jupiter.
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Rudolph Minkowski - Mon, 06 Apr 2015 22:16:50 EST OXINl/7g No.55215 Reply
>Is it viable to blow up a planet to mine it as with asteroids?
That would take a lot of energy, a ton of which would be released as heat. I think the debris would be too hot to be useful or mine-able for a LONG time.

>>55177
I would be awesome if that dishwasher-sized satellite was the last tiny bit of mass needed to collapse Jupiter's core and start the fusion reaction.

Early space programme

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- Wed, 18 Mar 2015 14:00:34 EST A1E2ozZS No.55144
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I recently realised that I'm completely fascinated with the early space programmes / the early space technology / the early space race. I would say from the very beginning until the end of the 80's.
My request: recommended information, books, documentaries, websites, cheesy anecdotes.. Anything really.

Thanks a lot.
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William de Sitter - Tue, 24 Mar 2015 17:02:07 EST CB4800qQ No.55160 Reply
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I found one of the early motivating factors for the space race.
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Joseph Lockyer - Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:41:19 EST YbQiwQ8y No.55161 Reply
Check out Werner von Braun and his V2 rocket built first for the Nazi party, then Americans extradited him to the US (clearing him of any war-crime charges) and put him to work. There is also a Modern Marvels episode called 'Satellite'. Goes pretty in depth about the whole space race etc...

black hole the size of 12 billion suns found, debunks all theories of the universe

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- Thu, 26 Feb 2015 19:38:03 EST GFgbSSMF No.55071
File: 1424997483202.jpg -(32556B / 31.79KB, 534x401) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. black hole the size of 12 billion suns found, debunks all theories of the universe
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/black-hole-as-massive-as-12-billion-suns-found-could-change-theories-of-how-universe-began-10071817.html
This article tripped me the fuck out, and scared me a bit. I don't like that something this scary is visible from Earth.
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Harlow Shapley - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 09:18:57 EST 415JX8nG No.55149 Reply
>>55148
I think you're fine, just didn't take in angular momentum of the earth and time doesn't become a factor until you use relativity
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Charles Bolton - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 12:39:27 EST jScv5urc No.55151 Reply
>>55148
Your math horribly wrong. I don't think you have calculated the distance correctly.
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Urbain Le Verrier - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 23:32:14 EST JIt5A3UU No.55153 Reply
>>55149
>>55151

No, I am stupid, forgot to square the total distance. Total force between the two bodies is 557 N, we gud

How does it make you feel?

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- Sun, 15 Feb 2015 04:36:13 EST 9T8PqMeL No.55035
File: 1423992973167.png -(289416B / 282.63KB, 405x455) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. How does it make you feel?
So as far as I know, there are two theories on the ultimate fate of the Universe.

One is that the Universe will experience heat death and that chemical reactions and everything reliant upon them will cease to be.

The other is that the universe will tear itself a new one, collapse in on itself and reset.

Either way, humanity, every other sapient species in the universe and everything we've ever known and accomplished will amount to nothing.

On a scale from "Stubbed your toe" to "Visigoths sacking Rome", how does that make you feel?

For me, I'd say that it triggers a "Read Ecclesiastes and contemplated petty arson" kind of feeling.
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Allan Sandage - Fri, 06 Mar 2015 15:36:34 EST Wzs50sSC No.55109 Reply
> Either way, humanity, every other sapient species in the universe and everything we've ever known and accomplished will amount to nothing.

I'll be dead long before that happens, so I honestly don't care. I just want to live my life to the fullest, do chill science stuff, and hopefully try to help others when I am able to.
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Karl Jansky - Fri, 06 Mar 2015 19:02:10 EST FVrU3tol No.55111 Reply
>>55107
Throwing that weak mess around here is kind of insulting
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Edwin Hubble - Fri, 20 Mar 2015 11:22:01 EST IGgsfW+0 No.55150 Reply
>>55035

Personally, I already felt like whatever humans did would amount to nothing in the grand scheme of things anyway. I have absolutely no faith that Humanity won't completely blow each other up in the future and eventually when Earth dies entirely nothing we didw would matter anyway. I don't believe we'll ever colonize another planet or anything, I think we're too stupid as a species for anything that cool.

CERES, BITCH

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- Thu, 26 Feb 2015 04:28:40 EST uyuUt0io No.55065
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LOOK AT THIS FUCKING THING
HOW NEAT
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Stephen Hawking - Fri, 06 Mar 2015 14:16:37 EST jGLzk50k No.55108 Reply
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http://www.nasa.gov/press/2015/march/nasa-spacecraft-becomes-first-to-orbit-a-dwarf-planet/index.html#.VPn4fXysWrj

It's in orbit!
I would be lying, if i said i wasn't excited most about the bright spots.
Seems like it's a bit of a wait still, until we get clearer images, though.
It's pretty fucking cool nevertheless

"The most recent images received from the spacecraft, taken on March 1 show
Ceres as a crescent, mostly in shadow because the spacecraft's trajectory put it on a side of Ceres that faces away from the sun until mid-April. When Dawn emerges from Ceres' dark side, it will deliver ever-sharper images as it spirals to lower orbits around the planet."
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Fred Whipple - Mon, 27 Apr 2015 17:06:39 EST l/7F60uv No.55258 Reply
>>55092
I think you're defining the word "novel" too strictly. I'd consider any form of cryovolcanism to be novel because the evidence itself is relatively new and much of it is based on indirect observation.

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