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Cosmic Natural Selection Ignore Report Reply
Otto Struve - Fri, 31 Oct 2014 19:42:14 EST ID:R5I9/CMC No.54597
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Cosmic Natural Selection from wikipedia:

The theory surmises that a collapsing black hole causes the emergence of a new universe on the "other side", whose fundamental constant parameters (masses of elementary particles, Planck constant, elementary charge, and so forth) may differ slightly from those of the universe where the black hole collapsed. Each universe thus gives rise to as many new universes as it has black holes. The theory contains the evolutionary ideas of "reproduction" and "mutation" of universes, and so is formally analogous to models of population biology.

Do you think this is possible?
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Thomas Henderson - Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:38:48 EST ID:6nQZulbH No.54599 Ignore Report Reply
the law of conservation of energy implies that each of the baby universes would only be a tiny fraction of the daddy universe, making baby universes infinitely small over generations, unless black holes can create matter, and everyone knows that the only way to create matter is God using magic.
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Joseph-Louis Lagrange - Fri, 31 Oct 2014 22:41:34 EST ID:Zbe0PVOU No.54600 Ignore Report Reply
>>54597
I see. And then this outer universe is also just the other side of a black hole that's inside an even bigger parent universe (and on and on through infinity)? I mean, everything is just a bunch of swirling vortexes of after all, so why the hell don't we throw this into the mix? All matter and energy is really just a harmonic wave created by the reactions between forces,
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Gerard Kuiper - Sat, 01 Nov 2014 01:56:44 EST ID:OXINl/7g No.54601 Ignore Report Reply
>>54599
Yeah, that's what I've always thought about this one. Conservation of mass and energy means that whatever "universe" "appears" on the "other side" of a black hole is really, really, tiny, unless there's some kind of infinite regression of mass/density/size of particles that make up atoms.
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Caroline Herschel - Sat, 01 Nov 2014 06:12:07 EST ID:FWszKHrA No.54603 Ignore Report Reply
>>54601
Really tiny in relation to what? Absolutely it doesn't matter. Proportionally it might be the same "size" as the parent. We dont know how big we are. Maybe we are the infinitesimally small ones.
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George Hale - Sun, 02 Nov 2014 16:10:41 EST ID:R5I9/CMC No.54614 Ignore Report Reply
Every black hole in our current universe could possibly lead to the same baby universe, but there's nothing backing up that hypothesis.
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Bernard-Ferdinand Lyot - Sun, 02 Nov 2014 18:18:37 EST ID:lhtNHwLj No.54617 Ignore Report Reply
I'm excited that this question might be answered within my lifetime, but at this point there's no point speculating except for entertainment's sake, especially not amateur physicists such as ourselves. Sorry if anyone is an actual physicist.
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Otto Struve - Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:25:51 EST ID:Vh7msren No.54630 Ignore Report Reply
>>54614

> but there's nothing backing up that hypothesis.

Ummm, pure speculation.
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Giovanni Cassini - Wed, 05 Nov 2014 22:59:26 EST ID:BF8zYeiD No.54631 Ignore Report Reply
>>54597
There is no "other side" to a black hole. It's just an inescapable gravity well.
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Karl Swarzchild - Thu, 06 Nov 2014 07:01:24 EST ID:H3af7FdZ No.54632 Ignore Report Reply
>>54631
theres an event horizon that blocks our observations, thus clearly dividing the black hole into the side we can observe and the other side. what might be on the other side is a different matter, but the other side is most definitely there and remains unobserved.
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Karl von Weizsacker - Fri, 07 Nov 2014 10:23:08 EST ID:0x32uikD No.54633 Ignore Report Reply
> the other side is most definitely there
got any proof or is it just your religious belief?
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Henry Russell - Fri, 07 Nov 2014 20:23:03 EST ID:6nQZulbH No.54634 Ignore Report Reply
>>54633
if something has two sides, it has the other side, thats all Im saying.
event horizon prevents any direct observation of the inside of a black hole, so "the other side of this two sided thing called black hole" is the most precise definition available to us.
I'm not saying there are universes there, just disagreeing with the statement that black holes dont have two sides, or that both of those sides are equally understood or cognizable. there is plenty of room for speculation here, those are after all one of the most mysterious and inaccessible objects in the universe. trying to silence it with "its just a gravity well" wont cut it.
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Heinrich Olbers - Sat, 08 Nov 2014 12:53:04 EST ID:BF8zYeiD No.54638 Ignore Report Reply
>>54634
Then the "other side" is a super dense region of space made up of the leftovers from a supernova + whatever other material that has fallen into the black hole since it was created, that is so compact and massive that even light isn't able to escape it.

Yeah, some funny frame of reference things probably happen if you were to fall into a black hole, and someone were observing you fall in. But there is no reason to ascribe mystical properties to them, like OP was suggesting. Occam's Razor, you know?
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Joseph von Fraunhofer - Sat, 08 Nov 2014 14:38:30 EST ID:KCC23SOp No.54639 Ignore Report Reply
>>54634
You realize semantics are not gospel, right? There are no physical sides to an event horizon because an event horizon is not a physical thing; if you were falling into a black hole you probably wouldn't even observe the event horizom. The event horizon is no more a physical feature than the Goldilocks zone... You can talk about it, but it doesn't really do anything in and of itself, it's just a descriptive label.
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Isaac Newton - Sat, 08 Nov 2014 16:43:34 EST ID:hBIT57MN No.54641 Ignore Report Reply
> an event horizon is not a physical thing
indeed, the size of it is relative to your velocity to or from the black hole.
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Henry Russell - Sat, 08 Nov 2014 18:08:23 EST ID:6nQZulbH No.54642 Ignore Report Reply
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>>54638
>Occam's Razor, you know?
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