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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated April 10)
Does anybody else agree with me when I say that a black hole is basically a glitch in reality? Ignore Report Reply
Georges-Henri Lemaitre - Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:01:11 EST ID:Kc+YGl6y No.54910
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It just shouldn't happen.
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Jan Hendrik Oort - Sun, 18 Jan 2015 14:22:22 EST ID:espLrZ5u No.54911 Ignore Report Reply
nevertheless, it happens
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Margaret Burbidge - Sun, 18 Jan 2015 15:28:11 EST ID:KCC23SOp No.54912 Ignore Report Reply
>>54910
Please explain why it shouldn't happen?

Until we actually see one and can rule out without a doubt that it is not some other phenomena black holes are just a theory. If it can't happen it won't happen and if it is possible it will happen. We are pretty sure it happens and have quite a bit of proof contradicting your claim.
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John Wheeler - Sun, 18 Jan 2015 20:40:29 EST ID:415JX8nG No.54914 Ignore Report Reply
I disagree. Black holes are actually pretty mundane objects, the only properties they have that are of concern to us are mass, charge, and angular momentum.
That would be like saying an electron is like a glitch in reality.
I think we're the glitch in reality, as we're the ones living in the noisy plane in between those two polarities, the universe is not a fractal.
Black holes are only interesting because they are extreme, but they are much more simple than most things. I'm interested in black holes, but I am much more impressed by a flower
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Jan Hendrik Oort - Mon, 19 Jan 2015 00:07:51 EST ID:jOF47H5F No.54915 Ignore Report Reply
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It is no more a glitch in reality than a white hole
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Robert Wilson - Mon, 19 Jan 2015 03:56:24 EST ID:YHjXylC8 No.54916 Ignore Report Reply
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>>54915
But white holes probably don't exist. Some SMBH have accreted billions of solar masses. A white hole would be the brightest fucking thing in the universe.
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Friedrich Bessel - Mon, 19 Jan 2015 13:21:36 EST ID:FYhCWUwP No.54917 Ignore Report Reply
Singularities, at least, are glitches in our theories, not glitches in reality.
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Heinrich Olbers - Mon, 19 Jan 2015 15:33:52 EST ID:rnS8ucQw No.54918 Ignore Report Reply
>>54916
Arent black holes just the largest fucking enthopy machines in the universe?
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Riccardo Giacconi - Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:26:19 EST ID:XJHlYsmW No.54919 Ignore Report Reply
>>54916

Quasars?
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Riccardo Giacconi - Tue, 20 Jan 2015 01:30:17 EST ID:XJHlYsmW No.54920 Ignore Report Reply
>>54919

What if black holes are all sucking energy from the present time back to the start of the universe? Stable time loop...
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Gerard Kuiper - Tue, 20 Jan 2015 03:50:02 EST ID:rnS8ucQw No.54921 Ignore Report Reply
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>>54920
mind is very much blown
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Carl Seyfert - Tue, 20 Jan 2015 11:33:01 EST ID:3SVtd7YR No.54922 Ignore Report Reply
>>54920
i always thought they were like gigantic recycling machines that some day would explode releasing all that energy they accumulate to create new planets and stuff,

maybe "the beggining" of the universe (at least as far as we can see) was just a gigantic black hole explosion, that released a inconmensurable ammount of energy

maybe im wrong, its just one of my theories
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Ejnar Hertzprung - Tue, 20 Jan 2015 16:25:52 EST ID:KCC23SOp No.54923 Ignore Report Reply
>>54922
Perhaps it's big bangs all the way down and each one just overwrites the local universe as it expands outwards. I wonder what would happen if two of these expanding bang bubbles (technical term) were to collide.
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William Lassell - Tue, 20 Jan 2015 23:15:46 EST ID:kC70B9pS No.54925 Ignore Report Reply
>>54910
I have always wondered what if each black hole creates a big bang getting some other universe jump started... possibly with different physics due to the properties of that specific black hole? .. things to ponder...
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Charles Bolton - Sat, 24 Jan 2015 03:45:05 EST ID:ksAXy5yQ No.54942 Ignore Report Reply
>>54910
Why? It's just a chunk of matter overcome by it's own gravity, forever shrinking smaller and smaller. Infinity is not a state, it's a process, and one that must end because even black holes don't last forever. Nothing is truly infinite in this universe because this universe is not endless.

>>54920
The only way that could be true is if black holes were either currently sucking all matter into themselves (then there would be no universe) or will suck all matter into themselves eventually (and they won't because of hubble expansion).
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Ejnar Hertzprung - Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:23:07 EST ID:Kh1OXCPL No.54950 Ignore Report Reply
>>54912
existence of black holes have been confirmed
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Johan Galle - Tue, 27 Jan 2015 15:27:51 EST ID:KlR6M8t9 No.54951 Ignore Report Reply
but then entire galaxies form around these glitches. and the universe is made up in large part by these glitch systems. if you were to compare that to like a video game, thats like hundreds of different subgenres of that games genre being born out of a single shitty games plethora of bugs caused by some stoned qa tester.
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Rudolph Minkowski - Tue, 27 Jan 2015 22:59:12 EST ID:qk67H25/ No.54952 Ignore Report Reply
>>54920 I doubt there is such a thing as fully equally working transfer of matter between itself because matter can't work that way. It would need something bigger than itself to make enough energy to see what is currently happening.

I heard from the inner voices that our planet was once made from one of Neptune's beautiful ocean blue moons leaving its orbit and colliding with Earth.
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Thomas Henderson - Tue, 17 Feb 2015 02:04:34 EST ID:MTtjrpgg No.55045 Ignore Report Reply
>>54923
>Perhaps it's big bangs all the way down

Big bangs? Try turtles.
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James Christy - Tue, 17 Feb 2015 23:09:14 EST ID:t1vMK9Uc No.55047 Ignore Report Reply
So there's multiple ideas of what black holes are.

The classical idea *is* wrong, absolutely. There's no such thing as a singularity. We actually knew that immediately.

But there's other explanations. It was found that the information needed to describe a black hole mathematically scales with its *area* not its volume as you would typically assume (this led up to the idea of the holographic principle, which isn't to say that the universe is a black hole or that we're literally holographic, but it's a mathematically radical notion that you only need 2 spatial dimensions of information to describe all three we observe). *This* led to the idea that blackholes are actually "firewalls". They might be like hollow shells, where most if not all of the bits that went into it are smushed against the surface, accessible in a technical sense (so blackholes don't violate any laws) but so mixed up that it's practically irretrievable, like pulling the food coloring out of frosting.


Another idea comes from string theory and is a little more conjectural. But basically string theory predicts that the force would be so much that it would unwind the strings making up stuff and basically tying them together in a giant knot, called a fuzzball. This and the last idea aren't incompatible.

These kinds of explanations are very attractive from a physics standpoint. The weirdness of blackholes is attractive enough they've been extensively modeled, and it happens that some of the "laws" describing them happen to be eerily similar to thermodynamic laws. So it's very likely that the weirdness of a blackholes can be explained by quantum physics, and it's been largely successful so far.

In either case the firewall or the fuzzball would just sit out there until the end of time, when the universe's average entropy meets or overtakes theirs. At which point they'd just look like the nothingness in a sea of nothingness (at least, assuming heat death).
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Giovanni Cassini - Sat, 14 Mar 2015 00:05:27 EST ID:JIt5A3UU No.55129 Ignore Report Reply
I don't understand; Are black holes actual holes in spacetime or simply a collapsed star that got dense enough to suck in and absorb (or put into orbit) its own light and the light around it?
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William Hartmann - Sat, 14 Mar 2015 11:38:43 EST ID:XJHlYsmW No.55131 Ignore Report Reply
>>55129

The latter.
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Charles Messier - Sun, 15 Mar 2015 04:54:23 EST ID:btkA4Ljy No.55134 Ignore Report Reply
>>55129
singularities, on the other hand, are actual holes in spacetime theories.
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Jocelyn Bell - Sat, 25 Jul 2015 02:29:50 EST ID:btfuORYL No.55560 Ignore Report Reply
>>54910
it's not a "glitch" it's an "exploit"
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John Wheeler - Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:44:14 EST ID:KrCCke8y No.55564 Ignore Report Reply
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>>54914
that is the most autistic thing I've read my whole life.
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Alan Guth - Wed, 29 Jul 2015 22:05:59 EST ID:v2I6+0VG No.55565 Ignore Report Reply
>>55047
This is the best quality post I've read in a long time on this board. I've never heard of fuzzballs before. But wouldn't the black holes eventually evaporate away as Hawking radiation?
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Irwin Shapiro - Wed, 29 Jul 2015 23:18:59 EST ID:415JX8nG No.55566 Ignore Report Reply
>>55564
Hey I'm not autistic dick face.
I wouldn't use the phrase "glitch in reality", I don't know why I said that, doesn't seem like it lines up with my line of usual thought or philosophy in general. I was probably drunk
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George Gamow - Thu, 30 Jul 2015 21:58:26 EST ID:sFc2Gs9d No.55569 Ignore Report Reply
>>55564

I disagree, what he said makes perfect sense. Black holes are impressive by their sheer magnitude, but are simple objects and--given what we know about mass and gravity--are pretty much inevitable. Flowers, on the other hand, are fucking complicated on many levels and its a wonder such a thing ever came to be at all.

Still though, I can wrap my brain around a flower, but I'm pretty sure trying to truly comprehend the sheer pan-celestial magnitudes of mass, gravity and density that is a black hole would be a veritable Lovecraftian experience.


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