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Why aren't we building a moon base yet?

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- Tue, 24 Mar 2015 21:51:23 EST 2JDq4Uoe No.55162
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So hear me out guys, getting on the moon is seriously important.

Why is it so expensive and difficult for us to send things to space? It's because of 2 things, breaking free from the Earth's gravity and surviving re-entry into the atmosphere. All of our rockets, satellites, space probes, etc. have to have a massive amount of fuel and ablative armor.
The moon is located in a strategically beneficial spot, right at the top of Earth's gravity well. Once we spend the initial capital to establish a permanent or semi permanent settlement on the moon, the door to space really opens.
We can then design our spacecraft without the need for massive thrust and armor, and wont need to spend nearly as much fuel to get around out there. It doesnt take much to move an object through space, and breaking free of the moon's gravity is exponentially easier than breaking free from Terra. And moving resources from the moon to earth is even easier, just a little push and they fall back to earth on their own. With even a tiny colony on the moon to act as a port of sorts, the trouble of monetizing space mining is essentially solved. Not to mention the insane amount of solar power that can be gotten from the raw, unfiltered power of the Sun.

We need to do this guys, we're quickly running out of several natural resources, rare earth metals in particular, which we're only just beginning to rely heavily on (theyre used in just about any battery, especially phone batteries and electric cars) and they can all be found in the asteroid belt. The Moon is the answer, and it's right at our doorstep. If we could get there in the 60's with the computing equivalent of a dollar store calculator, then we have no excuses to not go with today's technology.

>TL;DR- fuck solving world hunger or social issues, lets just go to the moon.
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Pierre-Simon Laplace - Wed, 25 Mar 2015 03:54:06 EST eMyAc3hv No.55165 Reply
mars is more earth-like than the moon, so we're doing it there instead
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Bernard-Ferdinand Lyot - Wed, 25 Mar 2015 13:14:22 EST 2JDq4Uoe No.55167 Reply
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>>55165
But mars is so far away, what purpose does it really serve? Eventually it'll be good to colonize of course, but the moon is a nearby pioneering ground for life support technology. Its only 180k miles away, not millions. Its much less of a one way trip. Isn't mars a bit much to chew for a first bite?
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Maximilian Wolf - Wed, 25 Mar 2015 21:10:30 EST HrEw5VUc No.55170 Reply
didn't you watch Space 1999?
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Heinrich Olbers - Thu, 26 Mar 2015 00:55:50 EST YHjXylC8 No.55171 Reply
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>raw, unfiltered power of the Sun
For two weeks straight, heating the surface to 150C.
Followed by two weeks of absolute darkness while temperatures reach -100C.
Inhabitants muscles and immune systems atrophying over a period of years.
Microscopic glass shards magnetically attaching themselves to fucking everything.
http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2005/22apr_dontinhale/
"In some ways, lunar dust resembles the silica dust on Earth that causes silicosis, a serious disease." Silicosis, which used to be called "stone-grinder's disease," first came to widespread public attention during the Great Depression when hundreds of miners drilling the Hawk's Nest Tunnel through Gauley Mountain in West Virginia died within half a decade of breathing fine quartz dust kicked into the air by dry drilling--even though they had been exposed for only a few months. "It was one of the biggest occupational-health disasters in U.S. history," Kerschmann says.


In the 60s, NASA was developing and testing shit like NERVA, which used a nuclear reactor to heat propellent, this had a greater lsp than anything developed before.
Going to mars wasn't going to help us beat the soviets so Congress killed it. We already had ICBMs, so why keep throwing all that money at NASA that could be going to things that benefit the politicians allocating the funds.

The shuttle project only existed and survived because it benefited the military. The other portions of the system it was a part of, which included a space station, fuel depot, and tugs to move stuff to other orbits or the moon were all killed.


The Airforce developed and tested a similar engine that used air as the propellent (to deliver nukes).
ICBMs were a better method.

Imagine if someone from nasa tried to present something like pic related to congress today.
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Johannes Kepler - Thu, 26 Mar 2015 01:22:36 EST 2JDq4Uoe No.55172 Reply
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>>55171
Holy fuck, the machine in that picture just gave me a boner.

As for the temperature fluctuations and dust problems, just have the people live under the surface. Digging the initial tunnels with autonomous or RC drones would be relatively simple and minimize risk of inhaling anything nasty. Once the tunnels are hermetically sealed, who cares what surface conditions are like, so long as the solar cells can handle the thermal expansion/contraction.
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Fred Hoyle - Thu, 26 Mar 2015 07:48:55 EST uyuUt0io No.55173 Reply
>>55172
there's still the issue of your body turning to jelly because lol no gravity
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Johannes Kepler - Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:45:55 EST 2JDq4Uoe No.55174 Reply
>>55173
If we can get by with ~6 months on the ISS without too much detriment, then we can do similarly on the moon. Just gotta keep a strict regimen of resistance excercises while you're up there. If you live on the moon too long, there'll probably be permanent damage, but what dyou expect? There's risk on every new frontier.
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Henry Russell - Thu, 26 Mar 2015 21:17:44 EST XJHlYsmW No.55175 Reply
>>55172

Won't fix the problem. Anything that's been outside gets covered in regolith, which then proceeds to get on everything inside and eventually your lungs.
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Nicolaus Copernicus - Thu, 26 Mar 2015 22:35:39 EST 2JDq4Uoe No.55176 Reply
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>>55175
Surely there's some way to counteract it though. Decontamination chambers connected to the airlocks? Quarantine areas that require individual respirators?

That is a nifty fact though, i wasnt aware of it before. A good example of why i wish this board was more active.
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Allan Sandage - Sun, 29 Mar 2015 00:14:40 EST 9RBbpRgI No.55178 Reply
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I've got the solutions for civil planning on the Terran front. Housing, energy, food, water.
Need Engineering bros, Physicists, citizens.

The lunar port is a good approach for resource.
I assume you're talking expansive infrastructure, right?
Long term.
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Hannes Alven - Mon, 30 Mar 2015 09:34:50 EST YHjXylC8 No.55183 Reply
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>>55178
>I've got the solutions for civil planning on the Terran front. Housing, energy, food, water.
Please share.
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Joseph Taylor Jr. - Mon, 30 Mar 2015 20:45:55 EST lq/nV3QD No.55190 Reply
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>>55178
Of course it'd be long term. We're still years away from building the necessary equipment, let alone applying it to start lunar construction. But I think it's a good investment, just like how the European powers in the early renaissance thought that building fleets and sending explorers to the new world was a good investment.

Lets exploit the lunar natives for gold!
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Kip Thorne - Tue, 31 Mar 2015 21:07:30 EST 415JX8nG No.55194 Reply
Something I haven't heard much discussion on is how the low gravity of the moon would be an engineers/architects dream.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but materials are just as strong on earth as they are on the moon. You could build something the size empire state building with only 1/6 of the materials. Of course buildings probably won't take the same form, but we could build absolutely immense structures that would collapse in a second on earth, like huge domes over craters with minimal support structure.
Full blown military tanks weigh less than a truck on earth, you could drive your tank over a bridge made of two trees.
We could finally have fuckin jet packs man.
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Allan Sandage - Wed, 01 Apr 2015 14:57:52 EST CtuAeZIA No.55200 Reply
We can mine resources from the moon right? Just set up mines there so workers go up there for a few months before leaving for the next shift of workers to come in and continue mining. You can avoid health problems that way and it will allow us to get better at space travel.

At least I assume we would be sending mining projects up there.
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Jocelyn Bell - Thu, 09 Apr 2015 02:27:25 EST 9+dq42/f No.55220 Reply
>>55200
I would hope. Wouldn;t be too much different from being on an off shore oil rig for a few months. Onl the trip takes a few days and you go to the moon instead.

Where do I sign up?
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Edward Pickering - Mon, 13 Apr 2015 21:29:52 EST y7G/p//a No.55231 Reply
>>55200
Yeah but there's nothing on the moon we don't have. I mean, like, you can just get cheese from Wisconsin.
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Edward Barnard - Tue, 14 Apr 2015 12:50:45 EST sky71Ye7 No.55236 Reply
Thing is, getting people to survive in space is immensely expensive. You have to drag with you life-support, oxygen, water, food and you need a clean way of removing waste. Not to mention the need for resupply every few months. Until we can establish a self-sufficient base up there and get space travel cost-efficient, it ain't gonna happen.

Luckily, we're getting better and better at robotics. I'm sure we'll see automated bases on the Moon before we see people making a living up there.
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Robert Wilson - Thu, 16 Apr 2015 09:17:46 EST hfHw2FxQ No.55243 Reply
>>55236
That's the rub. We need robots to set up all the essential resource harvesting before we get there. Of course if we can do that it's that much more difficult to convince the short sighted that humans need to go at all.

Besides that, present day humans just aren't suited to space. Homo Transfiguro (the cyborgs and bioborgs) will remake their puppets to suit the environment they're moving to as much as possible, and they'll (mostly the cyborgs) have much lower requirements for food, water and oxygen.
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Bernhard Schmidt - Thu, 16 Apr 2015 11:43:38 EST sky71Ye7 No.55244 Reply
>>55243
>Homo Transfiguro

And even then I have a feeling those that go out into space will only be people with special interest. When you got a system wide automated infrastructure delivering resources to Earth, why go out there at all?
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Robert Wilson - Thu, 16 Apr 2015 18:39:12 EST hfHw2FxQ No.55245 Reply
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Do you think the "Earth will not be habitable forever, we need to move on" message will get through to the politicians and other idiots? Nevermind the religious nuts who want the apocalypse to happen.
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Walter Baade - Tue, 05 May 2015 09:56:18 EST vRWwm6cm No.55277 Reply
You still have to get all the fuel and stuff to the moon, and assemble it there. May as well just do the same thing with LEO if you're going to space anyway.
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Fritz Zwicky - Thu, 07 May 2015 09:07:36 EST llcsDD25 No.55280 Reply
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>>55277
But that's wrong Walter, it's already there. There's an initial investment of resources sure, but that's true of anything.

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