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Questioning about Bisexuality (male)

- Thu, 01 Aug 2019 00:11:09 EST 6yY3V0IG No.101368
File: 1564632669615.jpg -(17909B / 17.49KB, 640x360) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Questioning about Bisexuality (male)
I have pretty solidly believed im straight for most of my life, but have had small periods of wondering if I was Bi. My current girlfriend solidly identifies as bisexual and talking to her about it has made me start to think about it myself.
She says that personally she is not split 50/50 between women and men, and that it can fluxuate day to day and person to person.
When I was younger i looked at gay porn, and thought about anal sex and was turned off at the idea. I also thought about how i rarely thought about men in a sexual manner, and led to the conclusion that i was concretely straight.
But recently I've been thinking more about it, and have done some rethinking with the info from my GF. I got high with some of my friends and genuinely felt like kissing one of them. I believe that I may also just have a narrower type for men than for women because I have been finding men that I am attracted to. And the thoughts of sucking dick or making out with a guy sounds hot on some days and just okay on others, while anal sex is still unappealing.
I have basically come to a conclusion, but I am curious about other peoples experiences with bisexuality. Is my girlfriend an outlier? Are my feelings pretty darn gay? How much do you feel it can fluxuate and still be considered bisexuality?
Thanks folks.
Walter Higglewell - Thu, 01 Aug 2019 23:56:04 EST 9VODpsbn No.101369 Reply
I'm not sure if you're asking because you just want to discuss the topic academically, or if you're struggling with how to label yourself.

If the latter, I would say don't concern yourself with labels. I identify as straight because I find it to be the most accurate term (I'm only interested in pursuing relationships with women), but I'm also not 100% opposed to being with a man sexually.

When I was in college I experimented a lot (in fact, most of my sexual partners have been men), but I found that I didn't enjoy most of those experiences, which is why I identify myself as straight now.
However, I did enjoy parts of those experiences to enough of a degree that I wouldn't be opposed to the idea of being with a man if I happened to stumble across one I found attractive enough.
I also occasionally masturbate to dicks, because I like the idea in the more abstract form (by not having to match the dick to a face or personality).
Ebenezer Dozzleham - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 01:48:56 EST 4ycvK41t No.101370 Reply
Most people are bi when you get right down to it. It's really not that deep, kiss a guy, if you're wrong you're wrong, it doesn't matter, none of this matters. Look at pictures of dicks and Tom of Finland paintings, look at these pictures with intent, study them, absorb them. If you feel aroused at all or even interested in potentially being aroused, then you're probably bi.
Jarvis Charringspear - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 07:08:09 EST Ey8ExSL0 No.101373 Reply
Hey OP. I'm bi and I highly doubt there's anyone who's split 50/50. But I do find my attraction to genders is cyclical, I'll start noticing more attractive e people of one gender than the other, for instance.

I definitely want to dispel the myth that being bi means you have to be attracted to everyone and everything at all times. Hell no, I am SUPER picky about who I bang regardless of gender, and there are some hella uggo people out there.

Sounds like you are with the right person to discuss it with, my current partner is hetero and I have no problem talking and joking about my orientation with them. When you're learning about yourself, it's good to have someone to talk to who gets it.

Honestly just do what feels right, fuck labels, the only thing you need to do is find what makes you happy without hurting someone else in the process. IE never be the bisexual stereotype, please. IE don't cheat on your current person with anyone, let alone someone of the opposite sex that they are
Archie Pittstock - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 14:02:33 EST 6yY3V0IG No.101377 Reply
I appreciate your input and response.
I guess simplified labels cannot really represent somebody's sexual orientation, but it just feels comfortable to have a label that you feel sums you up well.
Archie Pittstock - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 14:05:01 EST 6yY3V0IG No.101378 Reply
I draw and look at cocks a fair amount already, but i will have to look into this Tom of Finland character
Archie Pittstock - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 14:07:40 EST 6yY3V0IG No.101379 Reply
It's definitely nice to have somebody your close to to talk about sexuality with. I hope to worry about labels and appearances and such when i explore this deeper. Thanks you!
Hugh Dezzlechodge - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 18:20:17 EST tUE1O2Ip No.101380 Reply
Tom of Finland is.. hella gross. Unless you are very specifically attracted to sweaty, overly muscular leather bears, don't bother.
Phineas Murdman - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 17:19:31 EST 4ycvK41t No.101383 Reply
yeah they are pretty gross but probably the single most stereotypically gay thing in the world
Jarvis Hezzletick - Mon, 05 Aug 2019 06:33:59 EST GgpJirsJ No.101385 Reply
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Maybe now, but at the time the leather movement was very much a rejection of stereotypes of gay men as effeminate, cardigan types. Coming back from a good old gaytime in ww2 they brought back that military look, and used motorbikes as a cover for the subculture. Kinda dying out now, in favour of cheaper modern latex.

Its the kind of man I'd fuck, or rather, Id have fuck me.

To bring it back to OP, Ive only just started identifying as bisexual (I also live with my bisexual girlfriend). Why so late? Well I was only attracted to men for fun, not for a relationship. And as so many of the hardships of the queer lifestyle result from that aspect (holding hands in the street, coming out to your parents), I never felt like I had earnt the right to wave the flag. The other problem was that I also liked the idea of forced bi, in a bdsm context. Is it gay to enjoy not enjoying being gay? oh dear.

Heteroflexible was the term I would use. However after having talked (and fucked) with a few bi s, they assured me it was fine and encouraged me to use the term. Anyway, a one word label is never going to communicate the subtle nuances of ones taste, but its a good introductory signal to others as to the kind of thing you might be up for...
Phyllis Dishridge - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 08:37:23 EST JFHbC3aa No.101401 Reply
pretty much no one is 100% straight dude, it's more about a level of self acceptance. alot of that is hard to get over because it's ingrained. back when craigslist was a place to hook up, I used to come so close to meeting guys to fuck me and then I'd chicken out last second because part of me was/is so freaked out to admit I might like both. give it time man and try and relax about it, you'll always be your own biggest critic
Hannah Fanshaw - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:29:24 EST 9VODpsbn No.101404 Reply
I'm the same guy who wrote >>101369.
Just to offer a different perspective, I actually did hook up with some guys during my experimentation, only to discover that I actually didn't like it. I do still like cocks sometimes, but I don't usually like having sex with men.
In my case, the thing I had to accept about myself was that I can still like dicks and not like men.
Phyllis Dishridge - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 15:45:00 EST JFHbC3aa No.101405 Reply
Were you receiving, giving or both? What about oral, giving and receiving?
Beatrice Grimgold - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 11:51:39 EST 9VODpsbn No.101407 Reply
I limited myself to oral and mutual masturbation, giving and receiving both.
I had a chance to go all the way (anal) with someone I fully trusted, but after all my previous experiences being less than great, I couldn't make myself go through with it.

Since that time I've been pegged by my girlfriend, so I know I like anal, but I don't know if I could say the same of being fucked by a man.
I might be down for it if it was a submission sort of thing. I'd probably have to be blindfolded, though. Being high would also help. I get super horny for everything when I'm high.
Samuel Nibberfuck - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 14:16:56 EST 4ycvK41t No.101409 Reply
>In my case, the thing I had to accept about myself was that I can still like dicks and not like men

This is 100% valid, and a lot of people are like this. But for others, myself included, this sort of feeling can also be the beginning of a slow process of tearing off the layers of internalized prejudice and fully coming to terms with who and what you are. You sound pretty open minded so maybe I'd lean towards it being the first one but it's always good to keep experimenting with an open mind. But if you're not into something you're not into it, no reason to force it.

In my case, I went through my very early years of puberty thinking I was 100% a straight male, but it never really felt natural in a way I couldn't explain. A little later I stumbled onto trans porn and I thought holy shit this is IT, this is fucking amazing, where has this been for the whole year and a half I've been experiencing sexual arousal?

I was a pretty liberal young teen so even at the time I thought "yeah these are women (I mean, they are), so I'm still straight, it's just something about them, some quality that people who were AMAB seem to have that cis women don't..."

At this point I kind of realized something was up but I just blocked that out as without any reflection or contemplation at all I started to get into androgyny/ambiguous gender stuff, then femboys. At this point I was like "ok I'm not straight" but I kind of blocked that out and isolated myself so I didn't have to deal with it. I started to realize all the times that I had experienced attraction towards men that I just couldn't see at the time (but other people sure did though).

Over time I started taking in a lot more blatantly gay content, first with drawings, because for some reason I could palate that better at the time, still detached from the real world and the reality of my sexuality. Got into feminine men having sex, then to regular men having sex, then ultimately to the point where I would find ridiculous muscle bound caricatures legitimately kind of attractive. Not usually my type but there's a mood for it. Huge turning point was making the switch to just straight up actual gay porn and just realizing ok I'm objectively attracted to men.

At that point I realize I genuinely don't even find women that attractive sexually. Maybe romantically, maybe there's this sense of kinship, a certain kindness and compassion you don't get from most men, but ultimately I started to feel that in terms of a long-term romantic and sexual relationship I'm not compatible with women in that sense. I'm not disgusted at all by the thought of having sex with a woman like I imagine most guys are by the thought of having sex with a man, but it doesn't feel the same. Like with men there's this very primal and spiritual aspect to the sex and attraction, whereas I think with women it'd feel more like bonding, like a deep expression of friendship almost, obviously enjoyable but still lacking somehow.

And then finally all this lead me to the final piece of the puzzle. Coming completely full circle, I realized I wasn't actually mostly gay, I was in fact pretty straight. For years at that point, practically when I was still a kid, I had kind of just ignored the fact that I almost always self-inserted as the woman/submissive person because "it looked more fun", in reality it was that it just felt natural. Somehow it took my dumb ass the better part of 6 or 7 years to put together that this might not be how most guys think

A LOT of shit started making sense after this. I thought maybe I should consider why I always identify more with girls in books and movies, why my taste in music is what it is, why I always play female characters in games despite not really being attracted to women, and even in entirely text-based games. Or why I hated the changes I went through during puberty so much, why I felt like I was stuck in the middle and I wished I could go back or go "all the way" and finally be "fixed" like I had assumed would happen.

Maybe most guys don't shave twice a day and aren't mortified to be seen with any facial or body hair at all. Maybe it's not normal to dissociate all the time and constantly get this feeling like you're controlling a stranger's body from with-in. Maybe it's not normal to cry yourself to sleep at night wishing you could either wake up as a girl or not at all. Maybe this dry, stoic personality I had forged was a reaction to who I actually am, an attempt to neutralize it or fight it. Someone who wholly wasn't me but a part that was easy to play.

Maybe I AM actually the sensitive, compassionate, emotional person who tends to value feelings over cold logic, the soft-spoken, conflict averse, amicable, agreeable, mediator and nurturer that over time I longed more and more to be, for some crazy reason.

I want to say though in the clearest possible terms to any /pol/tards lurking that none of this would have happened if I wasn't already born the way I am. It was a process of discovery and dealing with your shit, not Jewish mind control.
Beatrice Grimgold - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 17:17:46 EST 9VODpsbn No.101411 Reply
>Maybe I AM actually the sensitive, compassionate, emotional person who tends to value feelings over cold logic, the soft-spoken, conflict averse, amicable, agreeable, mediator and nurturer that over time I longed more and more to be, for some crazy reason.
I can relate to a lot of what you're saying here.

I've often felt like I identify better with women, and as an adult have occasionally wondered if I should have been born a woman.
Once, while looking through an old photo album, I found a picture of myself at my 4th birthday party. There were 5-6 guests, all girls. I apparently had no male friends to invite to my party.

That said, my views on sex are pretty much the opposite of yours. I'm innately attracted to women, but my attraction to men was more of an... "acquired taste," in a way.
It started with me being open to the idea, then eventually experimenting with it and finding that while it was mostly unenjoyable, there were a few kernels of fun in there.

Sexual orientation and gender identity really are a fascinating spectrum.
High AF right now.
Samuel Nibberfuck - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 18:06:11 EST 4ycvK41t No.101412 Reply
Yeah discovery of sexual orientation and gender identity is such a weird thing, and honestly, I can see where alt right dorks can see it as a plot when it happens to them. You're a worthless hateful bigoted pimp, one day you're SERIOUSLY into women and then one day you just aren't after exploring your sexuality and there's no way to go back, because you were always like this. Then what was I feeling when I was attracted to women, or thought I was? Love is a lot easier for me, I distinctly recall always feeling two different types of love, like I explained, between masculine and feminine people, even before recognizing that I could have feelings towards guys.

The "trans porn to Bara comics that look like a collab between Shadman and Tom of Finland back to trans porn but as a trans girl" pipeline is a wild ride.

But to expand, I think that A LOT of people maybe even a majority are bi if you have the right conditions, people are into different things and it's all a spectrum. I have no problem admitting that some trans women look objectively more masculine than some or even most cis women, to put it very optimistically, and there are certain straight guys and lesbians who just aren't attracted to this, and that's not being bigoted at all imo, not even genital preference is a bad thing, although I think people could work with me a little on that one.

I think that the problem is people guys, pretty much guys exclusively, just need to be more open minded about the whole thing, try something and if you're wrong you're wrong, it doesn't fucking matter, I think that the idea it somehow makes you less of a person to try fucking another dude is just blatantly homophobic, this just doesn't exist with women. Almost no woman is disgusted by lesbian sex the same way many guys are viscerally disgusted by gay sex and I think that genuinely does have a lot to do with misogyny. A lot of men, mostly subconsciously through social programming, feel deep down that women are inferior, made to be subservient, and to be born as one is one thing but to CHOOSE to be one is disgusting and servile in these peoples' minds.

But yeah, most guys need to seriously lighten up with their macho bullshit, if something happens that you were a fully consenting participant in, and it doesn't turn you on... ok? what? what actually happened to you? I dunno though, I have no clue what it's like to be a straight guy, and all my notions of what that might be like were entirely false and have been shattered at this point. Maybe I see straight cis guys as inherently homophobic/transphobic because when I thought I was one I hated myself so much.
Samuel Nibberfuck - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 18:16:35 EST 4ycvK41t No.101413 Reply
But yeah also there's nothing wrong with just being a more feminine or gender non-conforming man, it's not the same thing as being trans, it's it's own cool, completely different thing. I'm not really that into women, but at the same time I'm absolutely mad for guys like this.

It's easy to confuse the two things though, and for a while I thought I was just a really effeminate gay man but that never felt exactly right and when I first started experiencing intense gender dysphoria it was impossible to come to any conclusion other than that I'm trans.

You don't have to experience dysphoria to be trans, but it sure as hell makes it a lot easier to narrow things down.
Samuel Nibberfuck - Sun, 11 Aug 2019 18:17:52 EST 4ycvK41t No.101414 Reply
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god damn it i forgot to attach my picture now I have to make a triple post
Beatrice Pungerford - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 08:35:54 EST JFHbC3aa No.101418 Reply

Basically everyone's already said it. I'll repeat the major takeaways:

If you want to label yourself as bi, do so. If not, who cares. Labels are essentially meaningless. There's no percentage of liking each gender that does or doesn't qualify you as bisexual. That's entirely up to you. Talk with your girl, she's probably the best sounding board for your conflicting feelings.

Also, I'm gonna go on a limb here and flat out recommend receiving anal sex at least once in your life. It is intense, polarizing, and physically and emotionally unlike anything else. It may not end up being your thing, but you'll understand something very vital about sexuality, yourself, and others you may sleep with in the future, of any gender. It's still awesome if your girl does it to you, but there's no substitute for the actual intensity of feeling of having another man enter your body.

Although I initially identified as such, I realized very quickly that gay and bisexual men who beak off about being "exclusive tops" are some of the worst people, wildly self-hating/homophobic, misogynistic, and generally emotionally stunted. I challenged my own negative perceptions and it was extremely difficult, but in the end I grew as a person. I strongly recommend never engaging with men who continue to perpetuate BS like that in 20 fucking 19.
Cyril Sunkinpare - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 09:13:53 EST 4ycvK41t No.101419 Reply
>gay and bisexual men who beak off about being "exclusive tops" are some of the worst people, wildly self-hating/homophobic, misogynistic, and generally emotionally stunted

One hundred percent, but t b h this also describes a loooot of cishet men. At least to some extent. Call me a ""misandrist"" (lol) but I think seeing shit from both sides really jaded me. Obviously I don't actually know what it's like to be a guy but I do know what it's like to be considered one, and let me tell you, a lot of guys just openly admit to doing the most disgusting shit and holding the most heinous beliefs, and while they may be in the extreme, almost no one else ever does anything about it and most people encourage it.

And we all saw the collective bitchfit manbabies threw when a random razor company put out a cynical ad campaign merely PRETENDING to care about this shit.

A lot of guys are massive pieces of shit in a way women simply aren't because of how they've been socialized in a society that, despite considerable progress, still puts them above women in almost every single facet imaginable, and we're screeching harpy SJWs if we dare to point this out. Having rights on paper is not the same thing as actually having rights, systematic oppression is so frustratingly obviously real if you're actually impacted by it.

When I went to college, I really found a great group of people that I loved spending time with, but I really really grew to hate the general male student body outside of the alternative kind of circles I was in.

It's like, no dude, I don't want to fucking see a picture of your girlfriend with your cum on her face, why would you even want? there is no way she would be OK with this. I'm not gonna give you a fucking high five because you fucked 3 girls at a party the night after you got engaged, I think you should burn in hell honestly. "Damn dude, there was this chick at this party and she was passed the fuck out and I woke her up and I was like yo let's fuck and we DID". So you raped a girl? You're telling me right now... that you're a rapist?

And these people never grow up, they never learn, they never get better, they never feel remorse, they just end up being appointed as supreme court justices.
Eugene Dirringded - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 09:18:48 EST 9VODpsbn No.101450 Reply
Okay, circling back to this.
I basically get (and agree with) what you're saying, but I feel like I have to call out this part.
>I woke her up and I was like yo let's fuck and we DID". So you raped a girl?
How is that rape? Like... asking someone permission to have sex, and then getting it, and then having sex is literally the opposite of rape (even if they're drunk).

But yeah, this kind of stuff is probably why I've never had any male friends past high school.
Nigel Gebbletit - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 17:48:19 EST 4ycvK41t No.101454 Reply
>(even if they're drunk)

no it's not, not morally, not legally, not in any sense, consent requires sobriety, it can be given beforehand and a girl can fuck someone as drunk as she wants to be, but in the case I mentioned she obviously wasn't able to consent and probably was seriously harmed by it

maybe it's difficult to understand if you're not in the position to have it happen to you but this issue has been done to death, asked and answered
Eugene Dirringded - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 18:16:51 EST 9VODpsbn No.101455 Reply
Sorry, I call bullshit. Unless someone was drugged against their will, they chose to become intoxicated and are responsible for any decisions they make while in that state (however ill-advised they may be).

The law is with me on this one. It's the same reason we hold people accountable for crimes committed while intoxicated, such as drunk driving.

Now, should you think twice before trying to have sex with someone who's blackout drunk? Absolutely.
But does being drunk absolve you of all responsibility for your actions? Absolutely not.

If getting drunk is the only way I can loosen up enough to have sex enjoyably, who are you to act like you know what's best for me? If I end up regretting it later, that's on me.
Nigel Gebbletit - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 19:11:50 EST 4ycvK41t No.101456 Reply
If you're drunk to the point you've passed out there you literally are incapacitated though. She chose to be drunk, she didn't choose to be raped by a guy when she passed out.

>are responsible for any decisions they make while in that state

It's not a conscious choice.

>The law is with me on this one.

I mean it's literally not, people go to jail for this all the time, as they should
Nigel Gebbletit - Fri, 16 Aug 2019 19:14:06 EST 4ycvK41t No.101457 Reply
lol that's honestly pissed me off enough to make a double post to reiterate that your point is essentially

>if you choose to become intoxicated, you're choosing to potentially be taken advantage of

Same exact thing as saying women can be "asking for it" by the clothes they wear.
Augustus Blatherworth - Sat, 17 Aug 2019 12:39:49 EST nTH2vNmE No.101458 Reply
yeah, same, Op and others in the first few replies. I am not always attracted to the same sex, it varies on my mood and desires. I look for men for the more perverse stuff, the kinkier things, women more for the affection. I have only ever been woth four women and 2 of them are a bit of stretch as i didnt really penetrate them. I have never actually ejaculated inside a woman although i doubt that is really so important and have never been with a man physically. If webcam sex is included i have been with many more men... i was a virgin for a long time, till 25, and am yet to have a long term relationship lasting more than 3 months. Im probably a bit fucked up from childhood repationshop-wise or sexually - but ehatever, play with the cards dealt to u i guess? I am more open now and get closer to having sex with a man but through craigslist/other. I still would prefer to be with a girl emotionally and as a partner tho... what i want can fluctuate throughout a daytime even.
Cedric Picklenire - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 18:38:09 EST 9VODpsbn No.101465 Reply
All right, I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt that there's just been some misunderstanding, and not that you're arguing in bad faith.

Obviously having sex with an unconscious person is rape. Having sex with someone who is incapable of saying no (but didn't explicitly say yes) is also obviously rape. No one is arguing either of these points.

But that's not what you said originally.
You specifically said:
>I woke her up
So she's not unconscious in your scenario.
Then you said:
>I was like yo let's fuck
Meaning permission has been asked.

Now, you didn't say what the girl's answer was in your hypothetical scenario, but I have to assume it was "yes," because it's the only answer that makes sense in context.
Saying "I asked her to have sex and she said nothing" makes no sense if she's awake. If she said nothing and you had sex anyway, then yes, that's also rape.
Saying "I asked her to have sex and she said 'no,' but we did anyway" is unambiguously rape, and not something even the dumbest frat boy would brag about.

Now, if you're just trying to say that having sex with someone who's unconscious is rape, or sex without explicit consent is rape, then duh, that goes without saying. I don't think anyone with half a brain would disagree with that (although I'm sure someone, somewhere on the internet would).

But it sounded like you were saying that an enthusiastic, unambiguous "Yes" from someone who happens to be intoxicated is automatically invalid, and I have a huge problem with that.

The reason I feel the need to call this out is because there's a growing trend of phony "woke bros" who seem to be going through the motions, but completely missing the point.
These are the kind of people who say, "I would never let my girl be a pregnant stay-at-home mom," or, "I would never make out with a girl who was drunk, even if she was all over me and begging for it."

While at least it's not criminal, this behavior is just as insidious as the "No means yes" crowd.
When you take the stance of "Yes means no," or "I judge your yes to be invalid," you're still guilty of denying the other person agency.
You're still saying, "I will disregard your explicitly stated wishes, because I know what you *really* want."

Naturally, you're under no obligation to have sex with a drunk person if that makes you uncomfortable, but it becomes a problem if you're denying them just because you think they're incapable of deciding for themselves.
Telling someone "No, you don't really want this," is no different from saying, "Come on, you know you want this."
One may result in a crime while the other doesn't, but they're both a result of the same shitty, arrogant attitude.

Sorry for derailing your thread, OP.
Ernest Dartbury - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 19:18:03 EST NYKM8D2P No.101466 Reply
Let's rephrase:

>Naturally, you're under no obligation to give car keys to a drunk person if that makes you uncomfortable, but it becomes a problem if you're denying them just because you think they're incapable of deciding for themselves.

Does that still sound as logical as you think it does?
Cedric Picklenire - Mon, 19 Aug 2019 19:43:11 EST 9VODpsbn No.101467 Reply
Not quite the same thing, because you risk injury or death to yourself and others when you drive drunk.

Having voluntary sex almost never puts you at risk of injury or death.

Also, more to the point, if someone does drive drunk and they get pulled over or get into an accident, they will still be the ones held legally responsible. As I said before, being drunk does not absolve you of responsibility for your actions.
Rebecca Crassleman - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 09:34:53 EST 9VODpsbn No.101469 Reply
Double post, because the more time I spent thinking about this analogy, the more I realized how ridiculous it is to compare drunk driving to drunk sex.
One of these is potentially deadly while the other is just occasionally ill-advised.

  1. No one has ever had a few beers too many, consented to sex, and then accidentally plowed their genitals into a minivan killing everyone inside.

2. Unlike giving the keys to a drunk driver, no one is at risk of being hurt if you agree to have sex with a drunk person who explicitly consented.
If you think a person is going to be harmed by sex with you, then you have some serious problems you need to address, and probably shouldn't be having sex with anyone.

3. By your logic, having sex with a drunk person who unambiguously consented = rape.
So following the same logic, giving the keys to a drunk person who asked for them = forcing them behind the wheel against their will.
Just try this reasoning if you ever get pulled over while drunk driving.
"Yes officer, it's true I made the decision to drive while intoxicated, but my friend didn't withhold the keys from me when I asked for them, so that's basically the same as forcing me against my will. Clearly they're the one at fault and I hold no responsibility here."

Obviously, if you give the keys to a drunk person, you both share in the responsibility. Just like if you have sex with a drunk person, you both share in the responsibility.

I don't know, the way you're talking about this almost makes me think you've never been drunk. Maybe you haven't. But it doesn't suddenly force you to make bad decisions. It lowers your inhibitions so that you do things you would have been likely to do anyway.

If you get behind the wheel while drunk, it's not the alcohol forcing you to do it. It's because you're the kind of person who already thought it was acceptable to drive while drunk.
Anyone responsible enough to know that drunk driving is wrong is going to retain that mindset even when they're intoxicated, and *not ask for the keys in the first place.*

nb because this has gotten ridiculous.
If this is the best argument you've got, then I'm done here. I don't expect to change your mind, but I'm more than confident enough in the points I've made that anyone else reading this can reach their own conclusions.
Jack Blillytedging - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 11:55:03 EST mdHlOMG1 No.101470 Reply
This is funny. You're promoting rape apologetics and yet you're the one offended. Kaaaay.
Shit Pimblenitch - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 12:41:14 EST 4ycvK41t No.101471 Reply
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>not giving someone their keys is different because they could hurt themselves or others, coerced sex never hurt anyone

Spoken like a true predator. I know you've been this drunk before, so your vehement denial of this is just getting really creepy at this point, but if you are drunk to the point of passing out, you are not in the state of mind to give consent. You're going in and out of consciousness. You don't fully know who you are or what's going on. It's taking advantage of someone plain and simple.

The only conceivable reason I can think of that you can't see this is because you're the one on the other side.
Jenny Dallytan - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 13:06:03 EST mwsZBvEh No.101473 Reply
I explicitly said consensual, but you somehow read coerced.
>passed out
I explicitly said sex with a passed out person is rape and never argued this, yet somehow you keep coming back to it.

You are now arguing against points I never made, so it's obvious you're not arguing in good faith (if you ever were).
Shit Pimblenitch - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:54:38 EST 4ycvK41t No.101474 Reply
all sex with a person who is inebriated to the point of passing out EVEN IF YOU WAKE THEM UP YOU SPECIFICALLY SAID THAT DIDN'T COUNT BUT IT OBVIOUSLY DOES is coerced full stop


later bitch
Jenny Blungerludging - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:57:19 EST m8QJPkdm No.101475 Reply
Essentially this, you should probably agree ahead of time and have an opt-out if you're not regularly getting shitfaced and banging each other
Shit Pimblenitch - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 15:57:31 EST 4ycvK41t No.101476 Reply
>address the implications of your points which you clearly know
>fall back on pedantry and say "I never said that"
>accuse ME of arguing in bad faith

Jesus CHRIST you are a weaselly piece of shit, I'd expect nothing less from a rape apologist though, I don't hope the tables turn on you some day, nobody deserves to be raped, nobody, not even you, but I know for a fact you'd think differently if it ever happened to you...
Shit Pimblenitch - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 16:05:48 EST 4ycvK41t No.101477 Reply
Yeah also this, I mean if you're in a trusting and committed relationship and both getting drunk/high every single day and can get a feel for where each other is at sobriety wise it's obviously different

Also to add, I'm not a hypocrite, if this happens to a guy it's still rape, it just doesn't happen nearly as often to them
Rebecca Pinderstore - Tue, 20 Aug 2019 16:28:19 EST VIRHuY0f No.101478 Reply
Mmmno, if a bartender over-serves a person who then drives drunk and kills someone, guess who's also on the hook.

>The only conceivable reason I can think of that you can't see this is because you're the one on the other side.

Yeah, this also occurred to me. Few people argue that vehemently about how right they are unless they're justifying their own behaviour.

Dude you just need to stop. From what I can tell there are at least five different people telling you how wrong you are and you're repeating the same tired lines.

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