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Skeptical Illuminism

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- Tue, 17 Jul 2018 00:19:06 EST hbGjJd0p No.74686
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This is a topic from /Sagan/ that got a little too /Spooky/ so I'm moving it here. Idk if the audience will be more favorable or not though...

Topic: Scientific Occultism. Skeptical Theurgy. Applying the methodology of the scientific process to the difficult problems of metaphysics and mysticism. Do you do it ya /spooks/? When you integrate a new esoteric philosophy or try to wrap your head around a new paranormal manifestation, do you try to keep an objective mind and learn the truth of the matter using what should be common sense principles, or do you just like to go whole hog on the 'I want to believe' angle?

Keep in mind, just like true love doesn't mean thinking someone is perfect but rather recognizing their complete humanity, true belief in an idea, an ideology, a faith, whatever, means being willing to put it to the test, rather than sheltering it.

ITT: General discussion of the concept of rational, pragmatic approaches to occult phenomena, and or angry kibbutzing about whether or not that's a dumb idea.
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Lillian Nicklespear - Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:11:35 EST hbGjJd0p No.74764 Reply
>> I dont blame any person or group, it seems to be more of a rule than exception that people seem to expand and move away from truth,
While it is true that truth is always elusive, hard to hold onto, and easy to drive away, I think there is one group clearly responsible for the particular divide between the occult and sciences. That would be the monotheistic religions, particularly Christianity:

Remember, in the ancient world, almost all cultures were some form of polytheistic pagans. This has several advantages; for one, by having multiple gods, there was no need for insane religious wars -- if you conquered a new people, you could bring your gods, and they could keep theirs, and you could squint your eyes and say they were the same thing.

Also, the pagan gods are much more like the forces of nature than the Abrahamic god. In fact, the Egyptian word for god 'netcheru' is literally where we get the word 'nature.' By sharing their understanding of individual forces in the gods, and sharing these between cultures, along with an understanding of occult rituals that were alternatively proto-chemistry or proto-psychology, the ancient pagans' religion was actually much closer to its own scientific revolution than we commonly imagine. Remember, the steam engine was invented by a Greek dude in the 1st century. If the dark ages hadn't soon brought an end to the ancient world, we could have had both the scientific and industrial revolutions over a thousand years ago.

Anyway, because the monotheists set up this strong division between the material and the spiritual (whereas to pagans the material and spiritual are on in the same) they were setting themselves up for a fatal collision with science when it inevitably re-emerged. The scientists, though, having lost the education on how all this really went down, began to understand all religions and spiritual notions as their enemy -- they had acquired the dogmatic quality of the monotheists in being the ones who supplanted them.

Anyway, that is just an opinion quite more open to critique than a hypothesis or a theoretical claim, but I still feel like it best explains the facts.
William Claywater - Fri, 10 Aug 2018 21:28:18 EST DMp65zrW No.74767 Reply
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>I think there is one group clearly responsible for the particular divide between the occult and sciences. That would be the monotheistic religions, particularly Christianity
I'd say you say that because you live in christianity-dominated culture. My experience from south-east-asia is that even Buddhism is nowdays branched in to bunch of different superstitious groups that are very far from what I consider to be the core of Siddharta Gautama's teachings. So once again, its happening everywhere and christianity is more of an effect than a cause.
>in the ancient world, almost all cultures were some form of polytheistic pagans
I might be nitpicking, but more specificly they believed in animism, that everything has a soul. If they werent monists, then they at least were singularists. There were still fights over resources and so on, so its not like everyone was living in peace and happiness even then. After all, the progress from their times leads to our times, so they werent doing a perfect job at some point.
>Egyptian word for god 'netcheru' is literally where we get the word 'nature.
Yeah, Finnish word for nature 'luonto' originally meant soul or some kind of transcendent energy; I figure the same applies for the word 'nature', because in germanic languages people still use the word 'nature' meaning someones personality; "Susan is very good-natured person". Same thing with finnish 'luonto'-word, even though the language origin is way different than your word. It is fascinating and I do admire the ancient pagan cultures in a way.
>If the dark ages hadn't soon brought an end to the ancient world, we could have had both the scientific and industrial revolutions over a thousand years ago.
Of course, Im just not convinced that dark age would have been avoided by simply removing judeo-christianity out of the equation. Mind you that jews did not invent monotheism, there was already a "war between gods" in the times of Gilgamesh - and other gods' existence are even acknowledged in the old testament, so in a way jews arent or werent monotheist, they believed in many gods but chose to stand by one during - or leading to - a war. if Yahweh had vanished then problably some other god would have taken over. Even in rome their gods began a war and different roman cults were fighting with each other, thats why jews gained so much power, there were small civil wars and some cults were ready to team up with jews to purge the competing cults and one after another they died off. Jews got to keep private armies and had almost fully autonomous control of certain parts of Rome in it's later years. But without judaism and their god, would all have gone great and along the polytheist path, or would another god have risen to purge other gods?
>Anyway, that is just an opinion quite more open to critique than a hypothesis or a theoretical claim, but I still feel like it best explains the facts.
I agree with what you are saying as in, thats how our timeline went, yes. But there were many other monotheist religions as well, before yahwe's cult destroyed most of them. In my opinion we do not have enough information to conclude that Yahwe and his followers are the sole reason of Dark Age and the problems resulting from it. It is however completely justified to point out that in our timeline judeo-christian religion has had a huge negative impact and keeps harming us and hindering our progress. However there are other religions and political movements etc. that do the same thing independent from judeo-christianism. Does that not suggest that the problem we are facing is larger than just the judeo-christianity?

Anyway, one thing to me seems certain: If there is a being that the judeo-christians call god or YHWH, it's clearly not a benevolent being.
Ebenezer Sommerchune - Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:15:57 EST hbGjJd0p No.74795 Reply
>>very far from what I consider to be the core of Siddharta Gautama
Well I am quite familiar with how far from the Buddha's teaching most of what is called Buddhism is, but the same is true for Islam or Christianity, all religions undergo this process whereby the core teaching is gradually distorted. But my reason for singling out Christianity over others is simply that western society came to dominate the global culture, and particular global attitudes on science and technology, which were then adopted or forced on the rest of the world through globalism/colonialism. Yes, you could go one step deeper and say that this subversion is really at fault rather than any one particular case where the subversion happened, but I'm trying to point out what I see as the weakest link in the chain. There are several critically weak links, for sure.

>> they believed in animism
This is inaccurate, on what do you base this? Animism was practiced, sure, but it was by no means the universal condition of polytheistic paganism. Animism was a more dominant characteristic in the archaic, prehistorical religions, but we have an understanding of how those beliefs had transformed into classical polytheism by about 6000 years ago (incidentally largely coinciding with agriculture, like most things.)

>> not like everyone was living in peace and happiness even then. After all, the progress from their times leads to our times
Of course, there is going to be conflict. Nothing is ever peace and harmony. We have science now, and still have conflict. My point wasn't that they might have had peace, it was that they might have had science. And they were closer to it than people were for almost a thousand years after, and specific things happened to change that. I think that's a fact worth noting, don't you?

>> Mind you that jews did not invent monotheism, there was already a "war between gods" in the times of Gilgamesh
Almost all polytheisms feature conflict of some kind between the gods. The Sumerians were polytheists. Are you saying polytheists are basically monotheists? (The first monotheist, as far as we know, was of course the Egyptian Ankhenaten.)

>>if Yahweh had vanished some other god would have taken over
But why did it have to be one god? In the roman conflicts over the ascendancy of different cults, they never got to the point of completely eradicating the believers of one god or another. It was that attitude of 'only one god, all else must be destroyed' that upended the delicate balance that was fostering the proto-science of ancient pagan magic.

>> some cults were ready to team up with jews to purge the competing cults
When? Sources. As far as I know, nothing like this ever happened. The closest it came before Christianity was in the case of Mithraism and perhaps the cult of Sol Invictus, which were proto-Christianity and a pagan response to Christianity alternatively. And again, the level of violence was nothing compared to what came later.

What causes dark ages is a loss of knowledge and an environment where gaining knowledge and learning are held in hostility. The pagans did not have this attitude, the monotheists (not even all of them, but particular subsets of them) did have this attitude, forced it on a part of the world, which went on to introduce that influence to the rest of the world. This is a meaningful thing, and sure, it is a subset of cosmically bigger forces, but if we can't call a part of a problem a problem, then we can't do anything.

Yes, another god could have taken Yahweh's place, and probably would have, but we're not talking counterfactuals, but history. What did happen is that Yahweh's followers did this and continue to be one of the most significant things holding back this progress. That's worth calling out.


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- Mon, 06 Aug 2018 23:20:52 EST a+keWaTo No.74755
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Check it out, man. Pick it up on the chans.

Run into Traffic BLINDFOLDED

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- Sat, 05 May 2018 00:12:47 EST XC57qcJf No.74459
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I was visting relatives in London Ontario when a guy with a blindfold ran past me into traffic on a red, stopped on the dotted line in the middle of the street for a car to zoom by him and sprinted to the other side. Then at the next intersection, he did it again. This time he made some calculation motions with his hands and shook his head as though he could sense traffic in from of him and when it was clear, he ran only this time a car almost hit him but at the last second he sped up and it missed. London Ontario is known for it’s drug scene so maybe some lucky bloke injested just the right ammount of different mushrooms to give him psychic powers or at least senses better than the average joe. The man wore grey sweatpants, a grey sweater and a red blindfold. His manner was aggressive, arrogant and grandiose: when he finished the first blindfold-crossing he gave a power handshake to a random bystander and when he finished the second crossing he gave the bird to the driver who almost hit him then stretched his arms out like Jesus and then hugged himself tight. If this man wasn’t high on something, he was definitely high on addrenaline.

Instead of saving the world or robbing a bank, he used psychic powers to jaywalk. I mean who does that? The risk is so high and the reward is so low compared to what he could do with those powers: what what a waste of potential. So /spooky/ have you heard any other similar incidents to blindfolk traffic crossings or do Londoners just enjoy risking their lives on the street?
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James Crippersteg - Wed, 18 Jul 2018 09:09:52 EST a8QQbjL0 No.74691 Reply
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What can you say, other than "What a fucking champion."
Robotron, sage - Mon, 06 Aug 2018 08:44:48 EST XzQD3UwX No.74753 Reply
Psilocybin enhances neural connections by about 500x
I totally get what he was doing, but the reason why does escape me.
I guess he was testing his calculations.

I had this happen on psilocybin truffles in amsterdam. I was tired of having my eyes open so i shut them only to find an ''astral projection'' of basically the same scene with my eyes open whilst walking. I figured since it made no difference wether i had my eyes open or closed i might as well just open them so people don't look at me funny.


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- Thu, 11 Jan 2018 20:00:00 EST z4srjszG No.74046
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This is the best guide to Luciferianism that I've come across. I remember reading the Satanic Bible (LaVey) and thinking it almost sounded lame (no offense LaVey). There is a clear distinction between Lucifer and Satan.

With the view of Hell that holds that there are seven archdaemons in conjuction with the Seven Deadly Sins; The most powerful archdaemon - Lucifer, is associated with Pride; while the archdaemon - Satan, is associated with Wrath.

This doctrine is impressive. Even if you're wary of this kind of thing, it's worth listening to the first few minutes, just so you have an idea of what actual Luciferians believe.
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My paranormal and forefront folder

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- Tue, 31 Jul 2018 15:31:41 EST PgJ9w0vR No.74740
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Frederick Fuckingford - Thu, 02 Aug 2018 00:24:35 EST eyeJsiXl No.74742 Reply

The Internet and Armenian-Korean Jewish Godzilla

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- Sun, 29 Jul 2018 17:50:05 EST G7nO3HxV No.74736
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Letting an profile on a mainframe computer connected the internet determine the fate of someone's life is stupid. Letting files in an archive determine someone's future is stupid.

Humanities future is bleak.

Worshiping God in the spirit

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- Thu, 28 Jun 2018 07:58:48 EST kTdSXhHm No.74614
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I get a lot of people telling me that God has an ego problem because He wants people to worship Him. But the thing is worshiping God actually feels good; it fills you with joy.

To understand this, let's say God comes to you and takes you to the most beautiful places on earth. The places turn out to be so beautiful, that in each place, you look at the scenery and uncontrollably bask out(or just think) "Wow that is so beautiful!". But God is literally INFINITELY more beautiful than all those places. And i mean nothing less than infinite difference. Would you say no to God taking you to the most beautiful places on earth for free? So there is no logic to saying no to worshiping God.

That is what worship is, you looking at God and uncontrollably basking out "Wow that is so beautiful!", or "Wow that is so awesome!" etc. Now this is adoration leading to praise.
But there is also praise leading to adoration. When i want to worship Jesus, all is say is "Praise Jesus, Hallelujah" repeatedly(nothing fancy is required) and then i am filled with His beauty and all i can feel is awe, PURE awe. Then when the experience is over I am filled with joy that it happened to me.

Honestly, one look at God in a worshipful spirit and then nothing on this earth satisfies, He is truly unfathomably beautiful. Anyone not worshiping Him is missing out on the best human experience possible.

The next part is for those who are actually interested in this experience.

If the above text makes sense to you, and if you are an unbeliever, and if you want to have this experience of worshiping God, maybe just to see what it is like, pray to Jesus. Be honest, pray something like "Jesus i don't know if you are real, but if you are real, i want to have the experience of worshiping you." Do this everyday until it happens.

Here are some scriptures that might help you,

Hebrews 11:6 - And without faith it is impossible to please God, because anyone who comes to him must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who earnestly seek him.

1 John 5:14 - This is the confidence we have in approaching God: that if we ask anything according to his will, he hears us.

Memorize those scriptures, head knowledge is not enough, let them enter your spirit and soul, and pray, know that worshiping God is something He wants you to experience and believe that it will happen. The stronger your faith in the existence of God and in the love of God, the faster will be the outcome.

The Lord bless you spooky.
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that Christian guy - Wed, 11 Jul 2018 09:51:00 EST KppEIw+3 No.74668 Reply
>Why aren't you a priest or minister? If you're so passionate...
Because the priests and ministers at my local church are way way more gifted than me. You know, gifted like they can pray over people and touch people's foreheads and make them fall to the ground due to the power of the Holy Spirit. I cannot do such things, such gifts are given by God to those chosen by Him to be the leaders of the church. It is better that they lead the way.

>Why 420chan? Why /spooky/? Such a low-traffic board?
A little bit of backstory, I became a christian due to paranormal boards. I used to visit the most popular chan for bigfoot, loch ness monster type stuff. People would post bible verses there and i became a christian by reading them. Since spooky was one of the places i used to visit back then, though not so frequently, i started preaching here because it was something in my vicinity at that time. Then one day, while posting here, Jesus told me that He wants me to be a friend to the people here(in /spooky/). I asked Him, "What about being a brother?", and He said, "No, a friend." So i started taking things here more seriously, He never said anything like that for the other chans, only for the people here.
Besides, this place is perfect for someone like me, i don't always have all the answers, sometimes i have to pray and pray for the answers, sometimes God makes me go through stuff in my life so that i can understand the answers. This whole process usually takes 3-4 days, the most it has taken is 1 week. In other places threads would die before the whole process is completed.

>What denomination?
I go to a non denominational church.

Try living for God mate, you will get to experience His peace and joy. Those things are also felt when you worship Him. Don't miss out on these things, God wants to give you these blessings. He is for you, and for your good. He loves you.

The Lord bless you.
Lydia Tillingwell - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 08:27:57 EST 4ifPg0B5 No.74676 Reply

>touch people's foreheads and make them fall to the ground

Lol, do they also break down and speak gibberish or handle snakes?

Alien implant

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- Sun, 08 Jul 2018 14:28:28 EST /Zsi5qMA No.74650
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So I've never been much for believing in anything. I'm a skeptic of absolutely everything but I like to entertain even the most wild ideas as possibilities.

We've had some bizarre lights in the sky and multiple reports locally lately. These come the week after I had some significant sleep paralysis, and something I've never had before which was an abduction dream.

It's got me remembering a while back, I had a crazy bump on my neck overnight. It killed to sleep on it. It never popped like a zit, it just kinda eventually receded. I assumed it was a boil or something.

Now I was just hanging out and noticed I have a small bump near the base of my skull on my neck where it was. It's not really visible, but there's definitely a circle spot that feels like a thick scar.

Am I a chosen one? Can I use it for any cool party tricks? Guessing lottery numbers?

Jeff the Killer Image Origins

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- Sun, 13 May 2018 21:22:50 EST 6XzmORIm No.74493
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Hey guys, OP here.
I'm pretty much sure some of you know about Jeff the Killer; we're trying to find the image itself due to the fact that it predated LONG ago before it came along with that shitty pasta around 2011.

Someone said that the origin of pic related first appeared on a /b/ thread in here around 8 years ago ~ 2010. The original unedited image was supposed to be a skinny girl camming who came to /b/ after moving from SA (what I've heard from an oldfag on le 4chan three years back, probably?). After snooping around in later /x/ threads, the image was NOT a photoshopped version of Katy Robinson, it was a different girl. Someone else claimed to have seen the picture back on 4chan's /b/ back in 2004~2005 with the unedited images and the shops included. Might as well to bring up a couple of oldfags to figure out the original sauce of said pic related.

Anyone here willing to help?
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Nicholas Crinningridge - Tue, 03 Jul 2018 06:10:59 EST AH4hMNON No.74632 Reply
I saw one of the threads about this. The earliest source i saw anyone find was from a japanese imageboard of some sort. You could probably find that by combing through the /x/ archives.

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