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chaos magic

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- Sun, 11 Mar 2018 23:29:07 EST Kl0nsxnf No.74267
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opinions on chaos magic? I kind of want to get into it but never taken the full dive into the occult. What do you guys think? got any info to share?
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Hannah Gubberville - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:09:38 EST hbGjJd0p No.74913 Reply
>>74910
It doesn't, chaos magick just focuses on the belief itself being the important part, rather than what you believe in. It's essentially post-modern magick.
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Martin Bagglebury - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:57:58 EST NxyOzZXb No.74917 Reply
>>74910
no im prettty sure chaos magic is what i do. i dont use circles. i treat the entities i summon as though they were people rather than an animal i have to lock up to protect me. then again a demon once cut my head off in the astral.
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Polly Chendlekock - Fri, 07 Sep 2018 13:42:21 EST tzhOKIs1 No.74918 Reply
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>>74917
>I treat the entities I summon as though they were people rather than an animal I have to lock up to protect me.
>then again a demon once cut my head off in the astral.

american chakra

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- Sat, 18 Aug 2018 09:53:15 EST pX8iIcN9 No.74803
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charles webster leadbeater has written a book on the chakras (its called 'the chakras'). in that book he says:

"The spleen chakra is not indicated in the Indian books; its place is taken by a centre called the Svadhishthana, situated in the neighbourhood of the generative organs, to which the same six petals are assigned. From our point of view the arousing of such a centre would be regarded as a misfortune, as there are serious dangers connected with it. In the Egyptian scheme of development elaborate precautions were taken to prevent any such awakening."

source: http://www.anandgholap.net/Chakras-CWL.htm


in short, he says the (activated) svadhishthana-chakra is a bad thing. westeners (should) use their spleen chakra instead of their (as of yet dormant) svadhishthana chakra

whats the difference between a westerner using his spleen-chakra (instead of the svadishthana-chakra) and an indian person having an (active) svadhishthana-chakra?? c.w. leadbeater says, as quoted above, that we would regard an active svadhishthana-chakra as a bad thing... why?

(heres a pic of leadbeater's spleen chakra; its the one to the right)
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Lillian Mablingway - Mon, 03 Sep 2018 12:44:09 EST 8/KdvSav No.74886 Reply
>>74855
haha holy shit.

made that other guy look like a lying rube.
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Martin Dembleham - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 05:08:31 EST FdZEzDOw No.74907 Reply
>>74854

Even before I read Wesley's rape of your post, I wanted to let you know your text reads as though a 21 year old undergrad's drunken post.

Reading your self righteous shit almost gave me testicular cancer, up until your "I'd love to answer questions" bit which did indeed give me cancer in BOTH nuts.
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Hannah Gubberville - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:13:53 EST hbGjJd0p No.74914 Reply
>>74907
I honestly feel like I hit him with it too hard. I should've used just like half of that to bait him into saying even stupider things.

Activate It

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- Sun, 26 Aug 2018 13:06:08 EST a+keWaTo No.74845
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Show em the Bigfoot print pics.
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Angus Drundlegold - Tue, 04 Sep 2018 12:50:56 EST a+keWaTo No.74897 Reply
>>74896
But, rest assured, this is not my foot. or a mold.
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WM - Tue, 04 Sep 2018 23:22:50 EST 8/KdvSav No.74900 Reply
I want to believe the sneaky ape theory so bad.

Thousands of monkeys just beyond our camera lenses and fingertips. They're more aware of us than we are of them. It's like having a furry brother who always watches you from the bushes.
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John Buvingdire - Wed, 05 Sep 2018 14:33:25 EST eyeJsiXl No.74902 Reply
>>74900
I can imagine a type of primate that only lives in mating pairs. Sending the children off to live themselves isolated when they are old enough to do so, until they find mates of their own and live in a pair. They could have low birth rate, and that would keep their numbers small.

Bored how do I shot magick

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- Mon, 20 Aug 2018 12:38:35 EST /Zsi5qMA No.74823
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So I was cruising my local pawn shop and they had a hardcover OG super rare wow version of this demon book. I thought it sounded dope so I bought the paperback one off Amazon. Some cool shit for my shelf, I can hope someday after I die some kid buys it at a garage sale for a quarter and summons satan.

Anyway I'm bored with life and drugs are only fun on the weekend, so I wanna try to become a real wizard. I know some of yall are into it but how'd you start? Is there an idiots guide? I can only read so much shit about magic crystals and summoning crystals and moon water before I get lost. How do I learn the basics? Every text I've tried to read on it just jumps in at a deep end assuming I know stuff.

BTW not gonna try to summon demons with the book. Just curious. And thats what this shit is all about right, the pursuit of knowledge? I don't think theres any harm in reading. Or hopefully anyway.
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Charlotte Sarringbatch - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 10:37:11 EST JHyRIDaG No.74831 Reply
>>74823
just saying summonings without any experience is like standing by a halfpipe and shouting the bodily movements, that would be required to do a certain trick, in detail and expecting your body to perform the trick.

i mean come on use your brain.
if anybody could just read a text from a book to summon a demon, things would be alot different here.
if you dont even believe it is real how do you think you will achieve any recognizable progress?

i could tell you lots of things about the nature of reality and about what steps would be a good start on the journey, but i wont.
like a treasured magical sword, hidden by fate, the truth comes to those it is thought for.
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Lydia Cennerbanks - Sat, 01 Sep 2018 00:16:54 EST 0OiSQceq No.74867 Reply
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>>74829
This was an excellent post. You are a cool guy and not enthusiastic, thank you for your service.
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Emma Drerrytane - Sat, 01 Sep 2018 02:42:09 EST hbGjJd0p No.74869 Reply
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>>74867
Thanks bud (if you're not being sarcastic.)

Fucking Hell

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- Thu, 30 Aug 2018 23:55:05 EST a+keWaTo No.74863
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Not good bros.

Just say a in depth 3-D shadow figure walk by right outside the window on the patio after the house shook in several odd places.
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Reuben Sondernin - Fri, 31 Aug 2018 15:07:57 EST tzhOKIs1 No.74864 Reply
RIP Betsy Dartwater, taken by the shadows.

Alexa, play Despacito Halloween remix.

Ghosts freendz n spirit friends and shit

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- Fri, 27 Jul 2018 19:30:19 EST Nv8LmYLP No.74734
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Who else here appreciates their friendship w/ their ouija boards and spirit guides and what not. My board is professionally handcrafted out of my own choice of wood, the sanding as well, waxed, and includes Papyrus text as well as items infused inside it that are known to attract visitors from the other side :cena: its the most gentle board i ever used and i enjoy the signs i get from the other side so often.
if you fuck with the glow in the dark toy ones yah they can work but theres a reason those are cheap and others can be hundreds

Tell me about your spirit friends ya newb /spooky/ bois
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Augustus Bickledale - Mon, 20 Aug 2018 15:28:31 EST sI0TB1u6 No.74825 Reply
>>74772
next time you see him tell him that golden fiddles are impossible to tune and they sound like shit

magical items worth wearing

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- Fri, 20 Jul 2018 13:03:09 EST KfM445gH No.74701
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What are things/items/accessories etc. that I can wear/use/keep around etc. that are said to bring good luck/protect/enchant/ward off evil/get rid of negativity etc.?

I'm very new to this type of thing and want to learn more about stuff like this.
I've started wearing rudraksha mala as of late and this piqued my interest in all things that could be of any use to a practitioner or just and average joe looking to have some extra fortune, etc. in his life. I just want to learn more about these types of charms/crystals/other stuff that people know work or at least believe have some sort of effect.

Just a curious anon, is all.

If anyone has any contribution or a website or book that I could read that would list everything that I would need to know, that would be much appreciated.
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Frederick Brazzlewell - Tue, 14 Aug 2018 19:04:02 EST a+keWaTo No.74789 Reply
>>74781
Is that image supposed to be a bottle opener?
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Sophie Wongergold - Wed, 15 Aug 2018 18:27:59 EST a+keWaTo No.74793 Reply
>>74791
HUh? You would just put the head of the neck under the tiger's chin.
nb

ZEN-KEKISM

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- Sat, 11 Aug 2018 03:05:22 EST ay9YNOuc No.74769
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Everyone who reads this post will be blessed with positive energy for the next 24 hours
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Nigel Ducklepon - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 16:46:07 EST hbGjJd0p No.74817 Reply
>>74769
Keku is the god of chaos and disorder. And you wonder why you fools constantly have nothing but grief?

Take your psuedo-henotheism and shove it up your ass. You guys aren't egyptian pagans, your mouth-breathing meme-stallions.
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Walter Danningforth - Tue, 21 Aug 2018 16:49:31 EST hbGjJd0p No.74830 Reply
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>>74822
>> things are getting better everyday.
nice trole. 7/10

Online Prophecy

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- Sat, 18 Aug 2018 16:20:00 EST a+keWaTo No.74806
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I was told by someone Online a detailed set of events that soon came true. One thing he told me was that my dials on my car radio would "crumble". I didn't believe it but they actually did! He then began to explain how Music would change drastically in sound. He said that there would no long be a true Bass sound. He said it would disappear and be replaced with a more treble like Bass. This came true for me. Not only on my car but everywhere where there is a speaker. Then he said Treble would be the "only one left" but then when the end of the world would be near, it would "decay as well".
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Basil Funderfore - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 15:02:24 EST OrwPXw4+ No.74814 Reply
>>74813
the pleadians are like 2 inches tall but have the voices of giants.
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Basil Funderfore - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 15:03:22 EST OrwPXw4+ No.74815 Reply
>>74813
and magic comes from stars believe it or not. that magical tingly feeling you got you cann have all the time if you chant the living sunlight.

FOLDS

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- Sat, 18 Aug 2018 23:40:46 EST 8/KdvSav No.74807
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HELLO GOOD SIRS I AM FROM FOLDS, THE FRIENDS OF the LATTER DAY SAINTS.

We are a religion of insane people who befriend missionaries of the church of jesus christ of the latter day saints (or is it and the latter day saints?). We learn their ways, show promise and insight into the commandments, we struggle, we break it off with them.

Over and over again.

We do this for many reasons. Some of us believe feeding off the aura of the faithful bestows upon us powers in the same way a tick feeds off a liver spot. Some of us truly believe quitting drugs and jacking off will help us somehow in the long run, spiritually and physiologically. Some of us get off on the fact that they will break it off with the missionaries after making them worried about you, and harm their faith. Some get sick pleasure out of this.

We don't bother with teaching morals because everyone has their own already. This is a religion for adults.

You can practice if you want. Go befriend a missionary and break his heart by going back to drugs.

TL;DR: my religion befriends missionaries. What's your kooky religion up to these days?
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Nigel Ducklepon - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 16:50:56 EST hbGjJd0p No.74818 Reply
>>74807
>>My religion is basically trolling members of another religion, for the lulz
>>we mostly view our practice as analogous to ticks, rather than a complete waste of time
>>See I agree with your religion. Psyche! Haha what a loser you thought I mean the things I say?
>> This is a religion for adults.
♫ One of these things is not like the others ♫

Jeff the Killer - Unedited Image

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- Tue, 07 Aug 2018 16:01:28 EST C4OSxHbU No.74757
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Hey, /x/, OP here. Before you start calling me an underage faggot, I have found some information that will somehow/somehow not lead to the original unedited image of Jeff the Killer. We all know that the image exists before that shitty Creepypasta appeared; we would like to seek some oldfags for help, despite the picture being at least that old.

>It supposedly surfaced on the future’s /b/ around the year of 2004/05ish by some girl asking if she was beautiful. It was a different girl, (other than Katy Robinson) she was a young girl that first starting camming to /b/. One picture she took, in particular, had a bad camera flash which blocked her nose.

>This lead to many anons in the thread post photoshops of her facial features until they got to pic related, and many more. The pictures weren’t progressions, anons were probably doing stuff to the first picture, then another. This supposedly lasted for two days.

>The next day, the girl started complaining about le said shopped images, but the people in the thread kept on going posting many more ugly shops of the girl. The day after that, the girl stopped browsing on the /b/ forums and everyone in the thread stopped poking fun at her.

TLDR; the girl shitposted a crappy picture in an early 2004-05 /b/ thread, everyone started making fun of her, posting photoshops for two days until she stopped browsing /b/.

That’s what I got according to some oldfags on the future’s recent /x/ threads discussing about the early origins of le Jeff image. Now we just have to find the unedited original image. Anyone here willing to help?
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Frederick Nickleson - Tue, 07 Aug 2018 18:52:48 EST CzUeipAc No.74758 Reply
I know nobody is going to answer in this thread because they can’t even find the original. But all I know is that someone, somewhere must have it.
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Samuel Bemmlemedging - Sat, 11 Aug 2018 11:53:08 EST lMZX1gLy No.74773 Reply
That's all misinformation. It's from a Japanese website, originally someone posted it already photoshopped, two versions. It's clearly a Japanese person in the image.

he watches

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- Wed, 15 Aug 2018 04:47:41 EST 0UyenpKu No.74790
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DICKS EVERYWHERE
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Cyril Trotfuck - Wed, 15 Aug 2018 12:31:15 EST AnDlDQQL No.74792 Reply
>>74790
RIGHT SO ER OK SO THANKS RIGHT SO ER OK SO THANKS
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON
WHAT YOU WANT MAN
HOW DO WE MAKE ALIENS NOT TRAUM US
HAVE FAITH IN THEM AND TELL THEM WE DON'T THINK THEY WILL?
WE'RE MEANT TO BE GETTING THEM NUDE
IDK IF KEM DISCL HIS CHI TRAU TO THEIR INT SERV AND IS THERE AN INT SERV TO INT SERV MESH
I DO NEVER KNOW, THE STRANGEST MYSTERY
THE STRANGEST MYSTERY, THE STRANGEST MYSTERY, TE STRANGEST MYSTERY, THE STRANGEST MYSTERY, THE STRANGEST MYSTERY, THE STRANGEST MYSTERY: HOW DO THEY ACCEPT HIM. JESUS FACE BOTTOM LEFT

Skeptical Illuminism

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- Tue, 17 Jul 2018 00:19:06 EST hbGjJd0p No.74686
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This is a topic from /Sagan/ that got a little too /Spooky/ so I'm moving it here. Idk if the audience will be more favorable or not though...

Topic: Scientific Occultism. Skeptical Theurgy. Applying the methodology of the scientific process to the difficult problems of metaphysics and mysticism. Do you do it ya /spooks/? When you integrate a new esoteric philosophy or try to wrap your head around a new paranormal manifestation, do you try to keep an objective mind and learn the truth of the matter using what should be common sense principles, or do you just like to go whole hog on the 'I want to believe' angle?

Keep in mind, just like true love doesn't mean thinking someone is perfect but rather recognizing their complete humanity, true belief in an idea, an ideology, a faith, whatever, means being willing to put it to the test, rather than sheltering it.

ITT: General discussion of the concept of rational, pragmatic approaches to occult phenomena, and or angry kibbutzing about whether or not that's a dumb idea.
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Lillian Nicklespear - Fri, 10 Aug 2018 15:11:35 EST hbGjJd0p No.74764 Reply
>>74763
>> I dont blame any person or group, it seems to be more of a rule than exception that people seem to expand and move away from truth,
While it is true that truth is always elusive, hard to hold onto, and easy to drive away, I think there is one group clearly responsible for the particular divide between the occult and sciences. That would be the monotheistic religions, particularly Christianity:

Remember, in the ancient world, almost all cultures were some form of polytheistic pagans. This has several advantages; for one, by having multiple gods, there was no need for insane religious wars -- if you conquered a new people, you could bring your gods, and they could keep theirs, and you could squint your eyes and say they were the same thing.

Also, the pagan gods are much more like the forces of nature than the Abrahamic god. In fact, the Egyptian word for god 'netcheru' is literally where we get the word 'nature.' By sharing their understanding of individual forces in the gods, and sharing these between cultures, along with an understanding of occult rituals that were alternatively proto-chemistry or proto-psychology, the ancient pagans' religion was actually much closer to its own scientific revolution than we commonly imagine. Remember, the steam engine was invented by a Greek dude in the 1st century. If the dark ages hadn't soon brought an end to the ancient world, we could have had both the scientific and industrial revolutions over a thousand years ago.

Anyway, because the monotheists set up this strong division between the material and the spiritual (whereas to pagans the material and spiritual are on in the same) they were setting themselves up for a fatal collision with science when it inevitably re-emerged. The scientists, though, having lost the education on how all this really went down, began to understand all religions and spiritual notions as their enemy -- they had acquired the dogmatic quality of the monotheists in being the ones who supplanted them.

Anyway, that is just an opinion quite more open to critique than a hypothesis or a theoretical claim, but I still feel like it best explains the facts.
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William Claywater - Fri, 10 Aug 2018 21:28:18 EST DMp65zrW No.74767 Reply
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>>74764
>I think there is one group clearly responsible for the particular divide between the occult and sciences. That would be the monotheistic religions, particularly Christianity
I'd say you say that because you live in christianity-dominated culture. My experience from south-east-asia is that even Buddhism is nowdays branched in to bunch of different superstitious groups that are very far from what I consider to be the core of Siddharta Gautama's teachings. So once again, its happening everywhere and christianity is more of an effect than a cause.
>in the ancient world, almost all cultures were some form of polytheistic pagans
I might be nitpicking, but more specificly they believed in animism, that everything has a soul. If they werent monists, then they at least were singularists. There were still fights over resources and so on, so its not like everyone was living in peace and happiness even then. After all, the progress from their times leads to our times, so they werent doing a perfect job at some point.
>Egyptian word for god 'netcheru' is literally where we get the word 'nature.
Yeah, Finnish word for nature 'luonto' originally meant soul or some kind of transcendent energy; I figure the same applies for the word 'nature', because in germanic languages people still use the word 'nature' meaning someones personality; "Susan is very good-natured person". Same thing with finnish 'luonto'-word, even though the language origin is way different than your word. It is fascinating and I do admire the ancient pagan cultures in a way.
>If the dark ages hadn't soon brought an end to the ancient world, we could have had both the scientific and industrial revolutions over a thousand years ago.
Of course, Im just not convinced that dark age would have been avoided by simply removing judeo-christianity out of the equation. Mind you that jews did not invent monotheism, there was already a "war between gods" in the times of Gilgamesh - and other gods' existence are even acknowledged in the old testament, so in a way jews arent or werent monotheist, they believed in many gods but chose to stand by one during - or leading to - a war. if Yahweh had vanished then problably some other god would have taken over. Even in rome their gods began a war and different roman cults were fighting with each other, thats why jews gained so much power, there were small civil wars and some cults were ready to team up with jews to purge the competing cults and one after another they died off. Jews got to keep private armies and had almost fully autonomous control of certain parts of Rome in it's later years. But without judaism and their god, would all have gone great and along the polytheist path, or would another god have risen to purge other gods?
>Anyway, that is just an opinion quite more open to critique than a hypothesis or a theoretical claim, but I still feel like it best explains the facts.
I agree with what you are saying as in, thats how our timeline went, yes. But there were many other monotheist religions as well, before yahwe's cult destroyed most of them. In my opinion we do not have enough information to conclude that Yahwe and his followers are the sole reason of Dark Age and the problems resulting from it. It is however completely justified to point out that in our timeline judeo-christian religion has had a huge negative impact and keeps harming us and hindering our progress. However there are other religions and political movements etc. that do the same thing independent from judeo-christianism. Does that not suggest that the problem we are facing is larger than just the judeo-christianity?

Anyway, one thing to me seems certain: If there is a being that the judeo-christians call god or YHWH, it's clearly not a benevolent being.
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Ebenezer Sommerchune - Wed, 15 Aug 2018 19:15:57 EST hbGjJd0p No.74795 Reply
>>74767
>>very far from what I consider to be the core of Siddharta Gautama
Well I am quite familiar with how far from the Buddha's teaching most of what is called Buddhism is, but the same is true for Islam or Christianity, all religions undergo this process whereby the core teaching is gradually distorted. But my reason for singling out Christianity over others is simply that western society came to dominate the global culture, and particular global attitudes on science and technology, which were then adopted or forced on the rest of the world through globalism/colonialism. Yes, you could go one step deeper and say that this subversion is really at fault rather than any one particular case where the subversion happened, but I'm trying to point out what I see as the weakest link in the chain. There are several critically weak links, for sure.

>> they believed in animism
This is inaccurate, on what do you base this? Animism was practiced, sure, but it was by no means the universal condition of polytheistic paganism. Animism was a more dominant characteristic in the archaic, prehistorical religions, but we have an understanding of how those beliefs had transformed into classical polytheism by about 6000 years ago (incidentally largely coinciding with agriculture, like most things.)

>> not like everyone was living in peace and happiness even then. After all, the progress from their times leads to our times
Of course, there is going to be conflict. Nothing is ever peace and harmony. We have science now, and still have conflict. My point wasn't that they might have had peace, it was that they might have had science. And they were closer to it than people were for almost a thousand years after, and specific things happened to change that. I think that's a fact worth noting, don't you?

>> Mind you that jews did not invent monotheism, there was already a "war between gods" in the times of Gilgamesh
Almost all polytheisms feature conflict of some kind between the gods. The Sumerians were polytheists. Are you saying polytheists are basically monotheists? (The first monotheist, as far as we know, was of course the Egyptian Ankhenaten.)

>>if Yahweh had vanished some other god would have taken over
But why did it have to be one god? In the roman conflicts over the ascendancy of different cults, they never got to the point of completely eradicating the believers of one god or another. It was that attitude of 'only one god, all else must be destroyed' that upended the delicate balance that was fostering the proto-science of ancient pagan magic.

>> some cults were ready to team up with jews to purge the competing cults
When? Sources. As far as I know, nothing like this ever happened. The closest it came before Christianity was in the case of Mithraism and perhaps the cult of Sol Invictus, which were proto-Christianity and a pagan response to Christianity alternatively. And again, the level of violence was nothing compared to what came later.

What causes dark ages is a loss of knowledge and an environment where gaining knowledge and learning are held in hostility. The pagans did not have this attitude, the monotheists (not even all of them, but particular subsets of them) did have this attitude, forced it on a part of the world, which went on to introduce that influence to the rest of the world. This is a meaningful thing, and sure, it is a subset of cosmically bigger forces, but if we can't call a part of a problem a problem, then we can't do anything.

Yes, another god could have taken Yahweh's place, and probably would have, but we're not talking counterfactuals, but history. What did happen is that Yahweh's followers did this and continue to be one of the most significant things holding back this progress. That's worth calling out.

Gremlin

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- Mon, 06 Aug 2018 23:20:52 EST a+keWaTo No.74755
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Check it out, man. Pick it up on the chans.

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