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chaos magic

- Sun, 11 Mar 2018 23:29:07 EST Kl0nsxnf No.74267
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opinions on chaos magic? I kind of want to get into it but never taken the full dive into the occult. What do you guys think? got any info to share?
Henry Bangerstone - Tue, 13 Mar 2018 19:57:05 EST L45BLVni No.74272 Reply
It works, but always when dabbling with anything - Safety first.

Make sure that you're not doing anything stupid to just get "what you want" or anything frivolous, and to focus on protecting yourself from evil influence first and foremost before trying to make more ambitious works.

It's very easy to go crazy and fuck your own life up in subtle ways if you're not careful of how you're messing your shit up psychologically. One wrong twist now will bite your ass in five years and you're homeless and have no idea why.

If you're going to dabble in the occult, you're going to need wisdom to avoid fucking yourself or other people up, and hardline, ancient traditional wisdom is a good thing to at least be theoretically familiar with even if you disagree with it.
Rebecca Borringspear - Tue, 13 Mar 2018 21:20:28 EST uerl2KMT No.74273 Reply
I am a loser, I will admit that right now. Direct use of any magic has the potential to break your mind and send you over the edge. It's happened to most people who practice, I've found. People are pieces of shit. But ultimately it is you yourself who can be the worst.

I'm a bit high as most people are. I got one woman into magic and now she thinks she's the antichrist. I hate who she's become.

Honestly bro it's addicting. Everyone talks vaguely and trail off with elipses to sound smart and wise. Just protect yourself and stay off /spooky/ is my advice. To outside. I had several psychoses here and it is no bueno. I'm just typing this out so you understand the grave seriousness of it all.

Reality is fucked up.
Rebecca Borringspear - Tue, 13 Mar 2018 21:24:24 EST uerl2KMT No.74274 Reply
This guy is right though.

All magic can be considered chaos magic in a way. Beliefs and rituals and whatnot. Energy direction. But I am a shrieking infant in terms of understanding. Find a smart practitioner, learn of his ways, out your own spin on it.

Nb for self indulgent double post.

Good luck with your first dabbling.
A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Wed, 14 Mar 2018 22:28:10 EST E+xhxU97 No.74285 Reply
As a Wizard, I must state, Chaos Magick is absolutely fucking retarded. You'll learn more from /deli/ than from chaos magick practitioners.
Cedric Songerbud - Wed, 14 Mar 2018 23:13:07 EST L45BLVni No.74286 Reply

Most people who practise anything are retarded(Sturgeon's Law), it's just traditional magick has a barrier of entry that means only robotic nerds with enough creativity to copy pre-existing symbols are allowed. ;)
Samuel Giddlechidge - Fri, 16 Mar 2018 11:10:11 EST 1Qt5IkvI No.74293 Reply
>Everyone talks vaguely and trail off with elipses to sound smart and wise
Oh fuck this is so crazy. And when you're doing it you don't even realize what a fag you were being until you go back and look at what you said in retrospect. Honestly makes me want scrub my brain out with a shotgun (but not really, only if this continues much longer).
A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Sun, 18 Mar 2018 01:46:49 EST E+xhxU97 No.74300 Reply
No, the barrier is the will to actually study and observe. There are no secrets in this world but those we keep from ourselves. Expectation is the father of all deceit and illusion.
First you must learn vocabulary. That means studying classical texts such as the works of Plato especially. (Plato's usage for many terms are the standard for those used in many occult texts, especially those of gnostic and hermetic background.) Next you must learn geometry, as geometry is a constant in all of nature and will never lie to you about the properties of what you encounter. Next you must learn linguistics, with it, the ability to deconstruct the mind, as the mind uses language to process the data it receives from the environment. Then you must learn your self, the way that you think and perceive, and be able to question everything as objectively as possible. Then you must train your focus (hopefully the above has helped with that, and given you patience.) so that you may actually achieve anything in life. Then you can learn.
Charlotte Nicklewater - Wed, 21 Mar 2018 00:08:19 EST oaYBWSik No.74311 Reply
Don't bother with Chaos Magick. Ars Goetia works much better, but all of your stuff will turn into pennies. It's a trade off for the superior horsemanpower behind the magic; you have been warned.
Alice Fogglefudge - Wed, 21 Mar 2018 23:38:38 EST VWATYyUX No.74313 Reply
Chaos magic is for hippies. If you really want to get yourself into something worth anything, it would be black magic. There are many types so you must study to see which kind would be cohesive with you own personal traits.
A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Fri, 23 Mar 2018 06:11:49 EST E+xhxU97 No.74321 Reply
No, hippies actually do much better magic. They're more theosophical types.
Walter Webbleburk - Sun, 25 Mar 2018 00:10:24 EST L9GBDWzB No.74329 Reply
When did 420chan turn into such a pile of hand waving superstitious fucks. Scientific skepticism or fuck off. You people really believe in magic and crystal energy or are you trolling me?
Walter Webbleburk - Sun, 25 Mar 2018 00:11:49 EST L9GBDWzB No.74330 Reply
Lol whoops turns out I’m on spooky, not /b/
A_Wizard !cMZsY.BCnU!!vVWR8L52 - Sun, 25 Mar 2018 06:04:34 EST E+xhxU97 No.74333 Reply
You're being hypocritical. Have you objectively applied your scientific method and skepticism to the esoteric philosophies and mysteries? Pythagoras was known for treating and curing numerous ills and symptoms, especially those of the nervous system (sciatica as the first example on the top of my head) with sound waves, using a specially tuned trumpet to emit very specific frequencies.
>crystal energy
A good crystal is a pure element. Every crystal emits a very specific frequency of vibration, in accordance with the element that it is composed of. Digital watches as you may be aware, are tuned by a small quarts crystal within them, as the quarts emits a precise enough frequency to be used as a constant in telling time. As such, crystals offer a means of learning these frequencies and as a tuning mechanism when attempting to generate specific frequencies (even if it is not that of the crystal in possession, just as quarts does not vibrate once per second, it can still be used to reach the desired frequency through math.) and as such, hold value to the neophyte in learning other meanings. On this note, the Chladni plate experiment, has shown that frequencies can manifest very specific shapes and patterns, and through experimentation, many specific frequencies have been shown to generate very specific symbols that are repeatedly shown within esoteric texts, many of which that stand out to myself, are runes. Further, the practice of "Galdr" is a method of speaking the runes to induce tangible effects, that is, to speak the very specific frequency that the runes represent, by merit of their form, and strung together much like how computer code is scripted.
So, there's some breadcrumbs. How about you follow the trail, stay objective, and come back to us.
Barnaby Fuckingford - Sun, 25 Mar 2018 16:06:56 EST KpcBcZlf No.74334 Reply
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OP here. Scientific skepticism is the name of my game. Im I dont claim chaos magick has any supernatural properties at all. The realm of the mind is indeed a realm though. Scientific skepticism need not apply there as understanding the chemical reactions and neural net on a physical level hardly applies to the actual experience of the mind. Magick has both secular and non secular practitioners.
Lillian Nattingfoot - Sun, 01 Apr 2018 23:22:09 EST PKzgphQe No.74359 Reply
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check this out op, pretty good read

outlines the basis of chaos and discordianism
Beatrice Fuckingwater - Mon, 23 Apr 2018 23:59:53 EST 9EQ7A55W No.74431 Reply
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>>74273 has good notes.

I dislike the idea of starting in Chaos Magick. It isn't that it is "advanced" or "too powerful". it is just a bad place to begin.

You need to give yourself permission to create effects. You need to give yourself excuses to believe. Ritual magick that resonates with your upbringing gives you the subconscious permission to bend reality. It helps you believe on a deeper level. It's a crutch... but a very useful one.

Chaos Magick strips a lot of that away. It is a good place to go when you are prepared to ditch the crutches. Build up your self confidence and experience first though.

If you came from a Christian background, the transition from the Lesser Banishing Ritual of the Pentagram to the Star Ruby is a great example.Even if you don't believe in the angels, you have a gut understanding of what they are supposed to do from the stories you grew up with. Do the Hexigram ritual before transitioning to the Star Sapphire and you'll have the feel for what I am talking about.
Fuck Pocklebury - Fri, 27 Apr 2018 22:44:20 EST GJjEoe/c No.74446 Reply
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Molly Pegglemudge - Wed, 29 Aug 2018 00:58:03 EST +RUJrRb3 No.74857 Reply
The world, civilization and human soul are all chaotic. I have found that by embracing the chaos and learning by observing that I can learn a lot about someone through chaos. Also that orchestrated chaos can truly bring out a person or groups colors. I can be brought down down down by the chaos and drama of our culture, and as many times as I have wanted to just give up seeing that I would never amount to anything I just chose to overcome those feelings and empowered myself. And by learning to work for myself, to manage my time and goals that I can not only endure the chaos, but actually harness it's energy. I can use every negative experience as a tool to boost myself and overcome most anything I encounter. Now I am slowly, but surely, seeing improvements. I am attracting interesting people that all have a purpose in my grand plan and am on my way to forming a potentially successful business. Endure the chaos and burn, but rise like a phoenix.
Molly Pegglemudge - Wed, 29 Aug 2018 00:58:49 EST +RUJrRb3 No.74858 Reply
Ah you think chaos is your ally? You merely adopted the chaos. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see order until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but stress!
Molly Pegglemudge - Wed, 29 Aug 2018 01:02:22 EST +RUJrRb3 No.74859 Reply
Our computers, laptops and phones use quartz crystals for their clocks.
Molly Pegglemudge - Wed, 29 Aug 2018 01:06:23 EST +RUJrRb3 No.74860 Reply
Even our motherboards, laptops and phones use quartz as their clock. Also trees communicate using a network of mycorrhiza. Fungi/tree symbiosis. The world is an incredible network.
Reuben Sondernin - Fri, 31 Aug 2018 15:12:07 EST tzhOKIs1 No.74865 Reply
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I like sigils, if only because of the art aspect. But charging them is a bitch, anyone got tips for that?
Nathaniel Blenderhall - Fri, 31 Aug 2018 21:24:26 EST eyeJsiXl No.74866 Reply
Maybe just put it in your pocket and walk around for a few days with it and do a spell before hand so that as long as you have it on you it's like you're charging it, even if you're not presently focused on it.
Emma Drerrytane - Sat, 01 Sep 2018 02:02:35 EST hbGjJd0p No.74868 Reply
>> But charging them is a bitch
Y'all wizzas don't even know about sex magick? Cum on the thing dude (in ritual, obv.) Instant charge, in terms of bang for your buck nothing is more efficient.

Other good chargers:
Earth, put sigil on something that will rot, bury it, wait a moon, dig it up, if it's completely decomposed it's good to go (soil will be food for the egregore.) Ideally the location you bury it should be somewhere you pass every day of that month. Slow.

Fire, etch the sigil in wax, focus on the candle as it burns down (the wax will store the prana.) Pretty fast.

Water, sigil on tissue or wax paper, in a bottle filled with water, shake to charge, ready once sigil is no longer visible on the paper (water kept as magic link.) Pretty slow.

Air, sigil on something facing a mirror on a swivel, spin the mirror to add charge, reflecting the image of the sigil within it, break the mirror and grind shards to sand to seal charge. Can take as long as you want.

Basically, the way sigils work is by obfuscating the intent of the sigil from the mind so that the egregore can take on its own personality and accomplish the intent. Initially you create the form of the sigil, which charges it in the spiritual world. Then, you charge your material representation of that form by slowly destroying it. You're trying to add psychic energy to it while further forgetting about what it is you're adding energy to, the paradox of which is the reason for all this shell game. This further buries the actual intent in your subconscious, which is why it is the 'food' that makes the egregore stronger. By progressively annihilating the sigil, you help it move from the actual to the ideal world, which sympathetically causes your intention to move from the ideal to the actual world. There are other theories of sigil charging, but that's always worked best for me.
Fanny Cillerlock - Sat, 01 Sep 2018 09:59:11 EST tzhOKIs1 No.74872 Reply
I guess I could try making something like a disposable keychain accessory with the sigil on it.
I've done sex magick at the start, at some point my 'magic wand' needs a break. Thanks for the other suggestions though, pretty good alternatives minus perhaps the air one (breaking mirrors, not superstitious but mirrors aren't that easy/cheap to obtain).
Emma Drerrytane - Sat, 01 Sep 2018 16:09:46 EST hbGjJd0p No.74874 Reply

>>at some point my 'magic wand' needs a break
Ah well that explains it. Less is definitely more when it comes to sex magick.

As for breaking mirrors, it's not intentionally scoff-law when it comes to the mirror thing, there's actually a theory behind it. The reason breaking a mirror is bad luck supposedly is that the moment in time it is broken becomes trapped within the fragments of the mirror. But precisely what we're trying to do is capture and preserve the 'airy' part of the image of the symbol, communicated magically through the reflections of it's photons off of it, to capture that energy to feed our egregore. Normally when you break a mirror and want to undo the 'curse' you're supposed to grind the fragments down to sand-- this makes the energy of that moment free in the universe again, but since it's a charge, this final step makes that sand available to the egregore as spiritual food. Also, the kind of mirror I'm talking about is one of those handheld swivel vanity ones, you can get them in the beauty section of stores for $5-10. It's just an idea though, there are other possibilities, but you can see how air is always the hardest element to work with. A lot of people use incense, but that brings fire in, or use electricity, but that's obviously kinda dangerous.

Anyway, glad you enjoyed the suggestions, good luck chargin yer sigils m8.
WM - Sun, 02 Sep 2018 00:23:37 EST 8/KdvSav No.74877 Reply
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My opinion is that it is a rather zesty conundrum. If I am to see that belief is what dictates magic, what would that make any objective riealty?

I would like to think astral beings stand around and watch us or float around and do our bidding but I am not sure. Imagine if you stumbled upon something revolutionary or powerful and someone would come to inquire about it. Imagine that someone is a deity. Imagine the deity is the one you wanted to talk to the whole time.

But what if it's a combination of both? Convincing yourself of things empowers your mind to set up paradigms that enable you pathways into influencing realities? What if the gods are good at this? Would it not be best to turn autotheist and put yourself above everything? You still would lack wisdom to do it that fast without developing yer SPECIAL SENSES.

And what if chaos magic(k) is just utter bullshit? What if we're just forcing chaotic psychotic breaks on ourselves?
'twas my experience.
Archie Crossletirk - Mon, 03 Sep 2018 17:27:44 EST hbGjJd0p No.74889 Reply
If you run aground on this particular problem, then magick isn't for you.

>>what would that make any objective riealty?
Your problem is assuming that objective reality is singular. If there are infinite alternate realities, then belief influencing reality is really just a way of expressing an observer point choosing between different possible worldlines and slowly dragging themselves toward that worldline by their observations.

>>Would it not be best to turn autotheist
That's precisely the attitude a Magickian is supposed to have. By believing in all of the gods, spirits, and demons, you believe in none of them, or rather you believe in them but not literally but rather only as a means to an end.

>>What if we're just forcing chaotic psychotic breaks on ourselves?
That's the stated purpose of all magick. The problem is that people fixate on the 'driving themselves crazy' part and forget that the idea was to drive yourself 'crazy' where crazy is 'being a transformed version of myself that is able to manifest its full potential without being held back by my dumb worldly personality.' By failing to specify that the crazy you make yourself become be a good one, you naturally destroy yourself. But that just means you did it wrong, and people warned you that could happen. If you go climb mount everest, you shouldn't blame the mountain if you didn't practice climbing enough and fall to your death.
WM - Tue, 04 Sep 2018 23:17:38 EST 8/KdvSav No.74898 Reply
I only understand information in retrospect

retrospect has room for error

do I try to rig error or do I instead rig outcome

you decide

I decide though
Samuel Billingbanks - Wed, 05 Sep 2018 04:32:11 EST 6xRQFg26 No.74901 Reply
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Isn't chaos magick basically just: "I believe in it hard enough, so it's going to work for me" ?
Martin Bapperfuck - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 12:11:43 EST tzhOKIs1 No.74909 Reply
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Well, sigils seem more like focusing on an idea/concept and sending it into the world after putting some energy in it so it can actually do things. Kind of like a metaphorical wind-up toy with a specific purpose. Less 'I BELIEVE' and more like entering a command on a really slow and clunky PC.
Albert Dirringsodging - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 12:49:53 EST a+keWaTo No.74910 Reply
How does that rationale differ from any other form of magic????
Hannah Gubberville - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:09:38 EST hbGjJd0p No.74913 Reply
It doesn't, chaos magick just focuses on the belief itself being the important part, rather than what you believe in. It's essentially post-modern magick.
Martin Bagglebury - Thu, 06 Sep 2018 18:57:58 EST NxyOzZXb No.74917 Reply
no im prettty sure chaos magic is what i do. i dont use circles. i treat the entities i summon as though they were people rather than an animal i have to lock up to protect me. then again a demon once cut my head off in the astral.
Polly Chendlekock - Fri, 07 Sep 2018 13:42:21 EST tzhOKIs1 No.74918 Reply
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>I treat the entities I summon as though they were people rather than an animal I have to lock up to protect me.
>then again a demon once cut my head off in the astral.

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