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alternative chloral hydrate synthesis

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- Sun, 25 Nov 2018 08:07:04 EST P3Ub+nJg No.79285
File: 1543151224177.png -(19806B / 19.34KB, 1109x571) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. alternative chloral hydrate synthesis
so i was thinking of making some chloral hydrate but i would prefer to avoid fucking with chlorine gas then i had this idea basically use the same same method as for chobutanol but replacing the acetone with formaldehyde then either just use the tricholroethanol as is or oxidize it with probably dichromate and sulphuric acid to chloral. dose anyone know a reason why the reaction used to make chloral hydrate would not work with an aldehyde as well as it whould work with a ketone?

Your recommended method of extracting DMT?

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- Sat, 18 Aug 2018 10:13:51 EST Udk0Y39+ No.79204
File: 1534601631648.png -(365367B / 356.80KB, 602x452) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Your recommended method of extracting DMT?
I was looking up how to extract DMT and apparently it's most commonly done with Mimosa Hostilis root bark. Looking at the guides it's very MacGyver tier. I'm saying I'm wondering if there is a more professional way of doing it. Essentially I'm asking, if you ever looked into extracting DMT and if you have the chemistry background, what methods of extraction do you prefer/recommend and do you have any advice regarding it? Perhaps a mistake that commonly diminishes the quality of the extraction or some deviation from the existing guides to end up with something more pure.
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puress - Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:48:21 EST bibGzGaZ No.79243 Reply
TLC is most often distribution chromatography ( with a smidgeon of absorption chromatography) , meaning its more about polarity of the substances than about their weight itself (though there often is an indirect relation between weight to affinity). you basically have a solvation hull on your substrate and the mobile phase flows above that, depending on the polarity of a substance it moves between the stationary and the mobile phase, thus seperating from other substances. ive made a nice animation for that shit but im too paranoid, ill see if i find a comparable animation

in theory you should get one band per compound of your mixture but high concentrations or an unsuitable eluent may lead to streaking and improper seperation depending on the number of theoretical seperation stages.

in the OP scenario TLC would only serve as an analytic tool, even column chromatography couldnt really yield a lot of DMT doses

youd be seperating by molecular weight if the different compounds had no intrinsic dipoles. i used to hate chromatography since its such a bitch ass compromising bullshit way of seperation... wait theyre all based on equilibrium
purrbastus - Sat, 20 Oct 2018 04:31:22 EST L5efXmCV No.79256 Reply
you can do TLC on a large enough plate after plating it on glass and then chisel the silica or alumina off it to extract it back out

you can do that up to like 2g of a sample depending how many silica coats you do and how patient you are. works for analytic and organic chemistry. definitely not for others. but then again, if you're operating with fucking oxymorphone or dmt or cocaine for personal usage, this may be viable.
pupress - Thu, 25 Oct 2018 16:21:28 EST KFcL1XHa No.79269 Reply
put my gold fish into the bath tub so that the aquarium is free to serve as a tlc chamber

bright star tek questions

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- Thu, 13 Sep 2018 13:45:15 EST HJwBSxjU No.79229
File: 1536860715304.gif -(1043B / 1.02KB, 512x73) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. bright star tek questions
One is left with impure methylamine. The stuff includes ammonia chloride.
Is this fine? Is one to assume that when using the adulterated methylamine in later reaction that the ammonia chloride wont matter?

Step 3 says to "flood the reaction contents with 1.5 L of slightly acidic water"
Mix in what container? Largest container called for is 1000ml RBF

Reducing 3,4,5-trimethoxy-beta-nitrostryrene to mescaline

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- Wed, 13 Jun 2018 11:03:55 EST rajg/xs8 No.79145
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I want to reduce 3,4,5-trimethoxy-beta-nitrostyrene to the amine. What will do this? I've found so much worthless and bullshit information. It seems the main options are:

  1. Zn/HCl or Fe/HCl. I don't know if this goes from the nitrostyrene to the amine or if I need to use NaBH4 to first reduce the double bond. Also, some people say the yields are good and others say the yields are shit.

2. LAH. Not an option.

3. SnCl2 to reduce the nitrostyrene to an oxime and then Zn to reduce the oxime to the amine. I've never found proof of anyone doing this reaction on nitrostyrenes. SnCl2 is good for reducing nitropropenes but who knows if that applies to nitrostyrenes.

4. Al/Hg. Literally toxic. I haven't found any reports of people using the less toxic Al/Ga or Al/Cu amalgam. I also get conflicting information saying Al/Hg reduces directly to the amine, yet others are saying NaBH4 must be used to first reduce the double bond and then the Al/Hg reaction can be run to reduce the nitro group to an amine -- which is it?

Any input would be appreciated, especially from people who have actually run these reactions on this particular substrate.
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Samuel Turveydock - Wed, 22 Aug 2018 20:39:00 EST zbIVdkqy No.79215 Reply
pushing it through a pad of celite or silica would help but honestly there isnt any reason to go with mg or tin
ochem portal has a page dedicated to conjugated nitro reductions...
Martin Drablingville - Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:55:31 EST quGHpYNb No.79217 Reply
Zn/HCl is the method of choice for terminal nitrostyrenes, but it fails for nitropropenes. Fe/HCl gives carbonyl compounds which you don't want. Make sure your zinc is good.
Bombastus Werrywag - Sat, 20 Oct 2018 04:35:52 EST L5efXmCV No.79258 Reply
double bond may prevent the latter but either sources of hydrogen should work. then introduce it with palladium on carbon under a little party balloon to give you the pressure required to hydrogenate that 2nd position

Naltrexone -> Oxymorphone?

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- Thu, 17 Mar 2016 18:16:02 EST GksK9UMc No.77752
File: 1458252962747.png -(55460B / 54.16KB, 992x379) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Naltrexone -> Oxymorphone?
Dear /chem/,

wikipedia cites that "Naltrexone can be described as a substituted oxymorphone – here the tertiary amine methyl-substituent is replaced with methylcyclopropane. Naltrexone is the N-cyclopropylmethyl derivative of oxymorphone."

Is it possible to revert naltrexone back to oxymorphone? If so, how?

My very limited understanding of organic chemistry leads me to believe that naltrexone could, in proper solution and (probably) with the addition of heat, be broken into oxymorphone and cyclopropylmethylbromide. (pic related)

Any input regarding said (hypothetical) reaction will be greatly appreciated!
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Alice Honeyhall - Mon, 09 Jul 2018 03:51:31 EST mH/x48p3 No.79163 Reply
Cyclopropanes are very unstable but the one pictured with a stabilized alkane group is not. This group shown with an R-cyclopropane is relatively stable.
Carbon-carbon chemistry is very hard. Even harder to do selectively.

Short answer is most likely, no.
Edwin Clarryforth - Tue, 18 Sep 2018 23:44:00 EST y5OCfqyd No.79231 Reply

The cyclopropylmethyl can be turned into isobutyl via palladium under hydrogen. How hard would it be to remove it then?
Pressbastus - Sat, 20 Oct 2018 04:33:55 EST L5efXmCV No.79257 Reply
oh yeah how have we been going with this? OP did you make any significant literature readings or apply common reactions to make this even remotely practical?

Organic chemistry

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- Tue, 16 Jan 2018 12:06:23 EST uUZ+g3Ph No.78973
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What's the best way to learn organic synthesis outside of picking up a text book?
Any online courses or videos out there?
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- Thu, 20 Sep 2018 17:02:33 EST JsuSKLxG No.79232
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Can I turn all this 4F-MPH, this 4fluoro-methylphenidate, into plain old methylphenidate (Ritalin) ? For studying? Assume ive dabbled extensively in kitchen chemistry (assume I'm not as feeble in the lab as I am in the psychiatrist offices)
i know its a long shot and im pretty much asking for my work to be done for me but what the hell. the man is on a mission to go back to school
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Lillian Cogglehack - Thu, 27 Sep 2018 19:46:25 EST xsneeAgl No.79236 Reply
Op here

Im willing to be a good chemist with unlimited resources could do it....
William Brinkinwick - Thu, 27 Sep 2018 22:42:23 EST oKyR6MUr No.79238 Reply
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Fluorine is the most electronegative element. It grabs on to shit and doesn't let go. It's almost certainly possible to do what you're asking, but not necessarily in a one step reaction, and certainly not easily

OTC Nonpolar Solvent

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- Thu, 07 Jun 2018 01:15:44 EST 3wTRifUB No.79140
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What's something pure and reliable I can use a nonpolar solvent that I can quickly buy?
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Martin Drablingville - Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:57:14 EST quGHpYNb No.79218 Reply
I don't know what the fuck you can buy but the standard answers are "acetone", "methyl ethyl ketone", "dichloromethane", "toluene" and "petroleum ether", in decreasing order of polarity. Some distillation may be required.
Martin Drablingville - Thu, 23 Aug 2018 15:58:06 EST quGHpYNb No.79219 Reply
based on your other reply, DCM is the best choice here, or MEK or toluene. pet ether is too weakly solvating and acetone is too polar.

What makes atoms do what they do?

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- Sat, 10 Mar 2018 11:49:56 EST PTghO7Nx No.79012
File: 1520700596496.jpg -(161331B / 157.55KB, 639x999) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. What makes atoms do what they do?
Sup /chem/,

There is a fundamental gap in my understanding of the universe. When we look out into the sky and see the sun and stars, measure the Earth orbiting the sun, or see a volcano, it is commonly accepted that eventually, all of these processes will run out of energy and cease to do their thing. However every atom in the universe has positive and negative charges, with the negatively charged particles constantly in motion (and i guess the positive ones too if we count vibration or whatever). How do subatomic particles get a charge in the first place? Will it ever wear off? What makes electrons move? Will an electron ever stop moving and become neutrally charged? Can we apply this seemingly infinite source of subatomic energy to the macro scale to prevent a big freeze or one day generate limitless energy?
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trypto - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 13:29:31 EST OdR7meD+ No.79210 Reply
To recap: At this point, the long-held theory that light is a wave was being challenged by a bunch of experiments/models.

And then, while trying to figure that shit out, a bunch of experiments/models suddenly showed that MATTER is a wave.

This is still really only the preamble to quantum mechanics, and it's where the math starts to get more intense. Until this point, the math involved was pretty much calculus and differential equations

The next big experiment would be the one that hippies and armchair philosophers love, which is the variation of the double-slit experiment where observation changes the expected outcome. People try to extrapolate so much metaphysical bullshit with this experiment, and I hate it. Yes, it's an amazing result. yes, the math is deep and profoundly alters how we view reality or truth itself. But at the same time, it's simply a mathematical model that's describing what we see. And then we call it reality. It's boring.

IF I do another post, I'll try to explain this experiment, the math it spawned, and the (legit) philisophical interpretations. This is where linear algebra comes into play, infinite arrays, the schrodinger equation, imaginary numbers, wave equations, and more. IMO, it's the point where "quantum weirdness" becomes solved for the most part. There's some philisophical differences of opinion, but they're not too important.
trypto - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 13:35:45 EST OdR7meD+ No.79211 Reply
>A positive charge interacts with a positive charge differently than a negative charge interacts with a negative charge.
Also, fuck. This should be "A positive charge interacts with a positive charge diferferently than a POSTIVE charge interacts with a negative charge".

Of course, P-P interactions are identical to N-N interactions.
trypto - Sun, 19 Aug 2018 13:48:46 EST OdR7meD+ No.79212 Reply
> IMO, it's the point where "quantum weirdness" becomes solved for the most part. There's some philisophical differences of opinion, but they're not too important.
Oh yeah, and of course special relativity/gravity is still an open question in regards to quantum-scale. Blefht. I'm done. These rambling posts brought to you by Bush. Breakfast of champions.


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- Fri, 13 Jul 2018 12:51:01 EST 1xukUjeD No.79170
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Hey guys, so I am helping someone out with there organic chem class.
They have to write a syntesis for this molecule.

my question is,what is the IUPAC name for this molecule?
I can't find it online when I try the molecular formula or draw it.
trypto - Sat, 14 Jul 2018 16:27:22 EST OdR7meD+ No.79174 Reply
Is that shit real? I could see it with cyclohexane, but with a benzene ring? Looks like way too much strain. If it's real, I bet it's extremely fragile.

p - Mon, 16 Jul 2018 13:40:49 EST N1w1NO9M No.79177 Reply
concerning the synthesis
this is some pretty whack shit. you can even synth superphane but this would be way too much strain on the sp2 carbons of the benzene.

theoretically speaking its an 5-amino anhydride derivative of isophthalic acid, my best guess is that its an exercise aimed at the nomenclature or bicyclocompounds or rather heterocycles.

could you double check if you got that structure right?
Nell Binnerman - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 22:46:55 EST hBAZGxou No.79189 Reply
  • you can't put an anhydride and an unsubstituted amine in the same molecule
  • you can't link meta-separated benzene substituents unless you make an 8-or-more membered ring, because otherwise you're violating bredt's rule

that said, the compound you've drawn could be called 3-amino-6,8-dioxo-7-oxabicyclo[3.3.1]nona-1,3,9-triene. but it is impossible.

Secret unwatched meth precursor cartels are using tha nobody knows about!

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- Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:36:25 EST AEosv4I7 No.79165
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They use a ketone nobody knows about called "ADDS"

It's not on any list so you can order a million gallons from China easily
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Charlotte Blembleshaw - Thu, 12 Jul 2018 22:09:24 EST IsgjdvUw No.79169 Reply
I'm having a hard time picturing cartels sweating chemical watchlists. Let's say it's true. It would realistically have to come from one source and have one consumer for it to remain a secret and it would be easily traceable in a way that diverted chemicals would not. Also unless it was an in-house operation I don't think there would be much of a price advantage. No, I think you're full of shit.
trypto - Mon, 23 Jul 2018 20:01:21 EST OdR7meD+ No.79188 Reply
If nobody knows about it, then how do you know about it?

little Water CWE

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- Sat, 21 Jul 2018 08:35:39 EST CE1aGD0g No.79187
File: 1532176539983.jpg -(38759B / 37.85KB, 530x530) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. little Water CWE

it's been a milltion years since i've done a CWE and there's one question i have in regards to the amoung of water to be used.

i understand that there is always going to be a little Acetaminophen in the final solution. however, codeine phosphate being as soluble in cold water, or just plain water, as it is i was wondering wether you could skip the whole freezing part of the procedure and instead use a small amount of water. where would potential problems be? i can imagine it would take a really long time as the water would have problems penetrating through the sludge of filter and Paracetamol. but apart from that why could this be a bad idea?

thanks for reading,
love Anon

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test kits for common adulterants

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- Tue, 17 Jul 2018 08:59:13 EST FIrMW5oZ No.79182
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if i wanted to start a small business where i test people's drugs for fent/pcp/meth/clam or whatever, what sort of reagents would i need to buy? I realize this is sort of an open ended question, i'm just sort of looking for general suggestions for pretty much any drug testing reagent that tests for something. there's pretty much nowhere that you can safely get your drugs tested around where i live & i really want to do what i can to help. i feel like i could save some lives with this.

especially looking for something that can detect if my jenk's been cut with dog pills
pr - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 02:27:18 EST N1w1NO9M No.79185 Reply
are you sure its legal in your country to have a ton of people sending you what in fact are free drugs?

dunno, buncha tlc plates, solvents out the ass, colour reagents or their components- whichever is cheaper- a fridge

and if youre into endgame shit a GC/MS setup
Caroline Dullygold - Thu, 19 Jul 2018 11:27:47 EST FIrMW5oZ No.79186 Reply
i don't know how above board this business will be, but i'm in a pretty lenient part of america drug wise so i doubt i'd get in much trouble for people sending me small samples for chemical analysis. also is there any reagent/combination of reagents i can use to test for different benzodiazepines? from my initial googling it doesn't seem very easy but i would really like to be able to tell people if their xans were cut with clam or flam etc

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