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BK-2-CB > Injectable 2-CB solution?

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- Thu, 06 Jul 2017 06:02:36 EST A0Fffnyd No.78722
File: 1499335356854.jpg -(407511B / 397.96KB, 1024x768) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. BK-2-CB > Injectable 2-CB solution?
Have tried this three (3) times with repeatable results:

2ml sterile water

(x) amount of Ascorbic Acid to sufficiently acidify the water (No precise measuring equipment available)

(x) amount of B-K-2-CB (As above)

Add enough Ascorbic Acid (it is believed Citric as supplied in UK would work as well) to the water to dissolve *Without Heating*

Add (x) amount of B-K to dissolve with *a very little heating* or you're going to be injecting recrystallised 2-CB - exciting as that sounds, it is fucking painful and could possibly end very quickly in sudden cardiac arrest, depending on which vein is used... *BE VERY CAUTIOUS*

Enjoy your instant stimmy effects followed by typical 2-CB effects



IF ANYTHING AT ALL IS WRONG / POTENTIALLY LETHAL ABOUT THIS PLEASE POST ASAP!!!

PS enjoy one and all any potential profits made from this discovery
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Samuel Davingdidge - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 12:44:17 EST UoTssc8h No.78733 Reply
The standard procedure for reducing ketones to alkanes in one step is the wolff-kishner reduction, which requires complexation of the ketone with hydrazine (used in rocket fuel) and heating the mixture to 200 C for a few days to a week. ascorbic acid is a MILD reducing agent, and there is pretty much zero chance of this method producing even fractions of a percent of yield of 2CB from bk-2CB. The placebo effect is a much better reducing agent, but still not as good as hydrazine.
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Hannah Susslebury - Fri, 07 Jul 2017 16:36:34 EST rANt8sEP No.78734 Reply
Awesome guys, thanks for all the info... Back to the drawing board then, or a very expensive lab...
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Bombastus Werrywag - Tue, 11 Jul 2017 17:43:46 EST QGxEeR56 No.78744 Reply
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>>78731
>>78733
You don't need need Hydrazine. LiAH could work because of the conjugation from the pi ring. If LiAH does work, then you can just do it using the pop bottle test and overkill it with LiAH. No water allowed, of course.

A simpler, cheaper, but much harder method is clemmenson that is an in-situ reducing agent (hydrogen gas) by mixing a zinc or mercury amalgum and with HCl or HBr

>>78729
keine chemische ist legal im deutschland... danke, praesident der E-U.

From what my basic knowledge of receptors tells me (from around one and a half pharmaceutical chemistry courses i took a while ago) is that that ketonic group would be much less active than 2c-b for dopamine / serotonin effects. it could possibly give you the side effects of the compund but none of the mental, spiritual, or stimulating properties.

Extract Heroin from Garlic Paste

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- Mon, 01 May 2017 08:23:55 EST GJqJPZ5S No.78644
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This is urgent as my life literally depends on it. My suppliers showed up with what was seemingly my regular kg pickup but actually was 10kg of garlic paste with the heroin suspended within it somehow. Am told that I have to extract the materials from the paste for them or I will exist no more.

Will a simple Acid Base extraction do the trick IE:

Mix Paste into Water + Lye Solution and Agitate for hour

Add solvent of choice (Cold Distilled Water + Methanol Mixture?)

Let contents settle

Siphon Solvent and Evaporate to retrieve powder

Purify powder using known methods via HCL / Diethyl Ether



Can anyone tell me if this is adequate enough? Im essentially going to go in blind and hope this process works and that I don't get killed in the process.

Hope you guys read this and realize where opis may lead you as it has lead me....hopefully not to my death.
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Cyril Hasslespear - Fri, 30 Jun 2017 08:46:34 EST BIUvdYqW No.78716 Reply
>>78644
bro, no one is gonna send valuable tar in garlic powder, I hope you die for being tar dealer
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George Depperfit - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 11:12:11 EST 4tmtdVyg No.78717 Reply
Holy lol,

I wouldn't try acid base, I'd start with an aromatic solvent like xylene. Diamorphine is highly aromatic and you're more likely to get a hit on a non polar aromatic solvent. Plus acid base is typically used to free chemicals from plant matter. Since garlic doesn't naturally contain morphine, or any forms of it, I would think that the morphine is mixed in rather than bonded with the garlic in any way.

I would try soaking the material in xylene for an hour, placing the mixture in a cheese cloth, and squeezing the liquid into a separate container, preferably glass since some plastics are soluble in aromatic/non-polar solvents. Then chill the strained liquid in a freezer and scrape up the solids that come out. Use the liquid left over to soak the garlic again for a second and third extraction.

More than likely, the solids that appear after freezing will be dirty with garlic compounds as well, but it's the first step in the right direction. after that, just purify it.
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George Depperfit - Sat, 01 Jul 2017 11:20:59 EST 4tmtdVyg No.78718 Reply
Oh wow, this thread is old as fuck

OP, you dead?


Work thoughts

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- Sun, 21 May 2017 07:51:22 EST ZPX2kpEE No.78655
File: 1495367482443.png -(245976B / 240.21KB, 398x297) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Work thoughts
Does anyone else think of dumb shit while they're at work? Yesterday I was thinking about bubble theory, what if this entire universe repeats itself exactly when it ends.

So everything happens again and again in one big circle, like how your pulse keep pulsing and your lungs keep breathing, what if the solar system is an element like those in the periodic table, I mean if you look at one then you see the electrons orbiting around a neutron or something right?

I realise all this is very retarded but this kind of thinking does help the hours go by.
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Betsy Dapperwater - Mon, 12 Jun 2017 18:56:07 EST 4tmtdVyg No.78680 Reply
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>>78679

>which states that electrons form clouds

I always thought that the 'cloud' was a conceptual method to help us visualize what is happening at the subatomic level, as in the cloud is the average position of the electron while the electron is still a minuscule fraction of the cloud as a whole.

Does the electron take up the entire space of the cloud? Or is located at a single point in the cloud which we average to be spatially accurate? Or is it both? Or is it neither? Am I here now or am I an average of my current position? Am I real?
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Ernest Bubberbanks - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 00:00:06 EST GaLvZHtU No.78684 Reply
>>78680
Read the other anon's post. The cloud isn't a "cloud", it's a probability field where the electrons are about 90% of the time.
When you get down to such small particles they don't behave like matter, so it's hard to visualize. Basically these electrons pop in and out of existence and preferably along this cloud, albeit sometimes outside.

Volatile stuff

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- Sun, 21 May 2017 20:21:38 EST hNxjAHrm No.78658
File: 1495412498451.jpg -(134104B / 130.96KB, 720x960) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Volatile stuff
At my job in a corn refinery I check solutions of 3% NH3, 2&5%NaOH, 7%HCl w/v using a graduated cylinder, specific gravity bobber, a pH meter temperature probe, and a reference calculation.

Is there a better way? It seems to me we should be able to incorporate some kind of probe out in the plant to check these constantly and automatically adjust instead of taking everyone's time to do them be hand every few hours, look at the results elsewhere, call them reasonably accurate, and adjust, all the while exposing the sample collectors and lab personnel to hazards.

Pic is from my research plot at uni, Boris came from a stray pollen grain in this otherwise introgressed population and had to be castrated.
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Hamilton Bockledock - Fri, 02 Jun 2017 03:20:48 EST zsw9I8fO No.78674 Reply
I wish I could tell you but I don't know about fractional distillation nor column chromatography. Sorry sir.
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press - Wed, 14 Jun 2017 13:39:45 EST 3upPNRT1 No.78686 Reply
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im not familiar with the setup of a sugar factory and i dont know what exactly youre asking but in some cases an icorporated EC or pH sensor -or a series thereof- is good enough to adjust to the correct levels.

but if all youre checking is the stated solutions which are then added in a whole batch as opposed to continous flow, id reckon that a graduated zylinder and a single EC or pH probe that is calibrated for the given range would be enough. you could then just mix them in bulk and store the fitting amounts in containers? ive got no fucking idea.

as i now begin rambling id like you to take everything with a 58g of salt.
for automation of pH and EC and density you could use an arduino based sensor system if youre just getting into automation. there are quite reliable prebuilt shields and chips for pH and EC. depending on the general setup of the system you could either use a microcontroller, arduino based or a clone, and fucking labview, or run a microcontroller via python to log data and readjust the solutions. but in my experience the pumps and valves(which would normally fare fine at the concentrations youve listed) are still fucking expensive or not that easy to build from scrap.

and no offense, eventhough ive been both a security supervisor and a union representative, there bettter be a huge lot of 3% ammonia or 7% HCl before its more of a danger to personnel than to equipment.

was that 2,5% sodium hurensohnoxide or 2,5? and just keep volatile shit out of direct sunlight and in airtight bottles that arent placed above a fire.

Hydroxyl Free Radicals

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- Thu, 25 May 2017 14:43:57 EST +41/TUGa No.78663
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I'm currently using kratom to isolate its alkaloids via oxidation > extraction and am starting to get concerned of possible byproducts of my reaction. I am not using lab grade glassware for the first steps involving oxidation with H2O2.

My main concern, is it possible for free radicals to form and possible trace amounts of metals in my final product. I'm basically soaking the kratom in H2O2 and agitating on low heat with small amounts of citric acid added, then that is continued until the material is almost completely dry where I'm assuming the leftover liquid is water since the H2O2 oxidizes the mitragynine and 7-OHM into mitragynine pseudoindoxyl. Can anyone experienced in organic chemistry help me out with this?

We only use cold water for the extraction of the oxidized kratom material so that isn't much of a concern as much as using metal pots and pans during the actual oxidation process. Should I be concerned of consuming free radicals once fully evaporated? Are there any possible byproducts that can form from doing this?

Thanks a ton and excuse my ignorance in chemistry, I don't know shit besides what I learned in highschool and my current research onto this topic.

The pic attached is the final product after filtration of the initial oxidized material through cold water into 5 then 1 micron filters then finally evaporated at low heat.
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Hunter S. Nodson - Tue, 30 May 2017 01:32:25 EST 5wCuF3rA No.78670 Reply
>>78669
there are articles on it, it is documented my man. It takes a few minutes of google and there is plenty on the oxidation of 7-ohm into mitragynine psuedoindoxyl. I'll post it tomorrow when I get a chance though.

thanks for that reassurance, like I said I'm ignorant to this in all aspects and this is a learning experience for me so bare with me. We did though, I got the pH down to 4. As far as the difference between just soaking in water, we've tested it. It does not come out like this at all. The peroxide makes a giant difference. I do understand h2o2 wont oxidize much until the pH is lowered a decent amount.
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Graham Chunkinham - Thu, 01 Jun 2017 18:15:12 EST UoTssc8h No.78672 Reply
I still highly recommend acid base extraction so you can work with pure reactants rather than trying to oxidize the raw leaves. You have no idea how much oxidant to add because there are thousands of different compounds in the mix all with different oxidation potentials.

Also the paper you posted is an overview of a semisynthesis of mitragynine pseudoindoxyl from something other than mitragynine. I still can't find anything on chemically converting one to the other. Everything i've found so far involves bacterial or fungal metabolism to affect the rearrangement. The way I see it, it is very unlikely that you will be able to produce a sizable amount of pseudoindoxyl with household oxidants. I am kind of curious about this now though so I am still searching.

Stoichiometry a bitch

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- Fri, 26 May 2017 04:22:42 EST WkWxSK6I No.78664
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Could someone please jog the old memory bank. How in the fuck do you get 1.8×10^(-6) from 2.8x10^(-8) mol × 63.5g mol-1???
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Caroline Drennerwell - Fri, 26 May 2017 13:09:34 EST UyoEcrVg No.78665 Reply
2.8 times 63.5 is 177.8
Move the decimal over a couple places and you get 10^-6 instead of -8
It's rounded to 1.8 because of significant figures.

i'll just leave this here

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- Mon, 27 Mar 2017 03:58:41 EST 6p22FvVe No.78612
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cf piperine, phenylacetic acid, etc.
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Charlotte Hurringchare - Tue, 25 Apr 2017 18:52:15 EST UoTssc8h No.78643 Reply
What about forming the diol with peroxide and base then cleavage with nickel?

This paper shows 1,2-cyclohexanediol can be cleaved to adipic acid just by dumping it in with some bleach and nickel nitrate/acetate: http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/jo0612574. Theoretically this should yield the aldehyde if the nickel oxidant were instead isolated and the reaction done under anhydrous conditions.
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Martin Dicklecocke - Sun, 14 May 2017 10:17:15 EST UoTssc8h No.78651 Reply
Has anyone tried the dithionite reduction of piperinic acid? The source OP cited only has info on reducing acids with aliphatic side chains and I'm thinking that conjugation with the aromatic ring might cause the beta-gamma unsaturated acid to re-arrange to the gamma-delta or otherwise muck something up

unexplored waters

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- Sat, 22 Apr 2017 17:42:58 EST UoTssc8h No.78641
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Pretty much any phenol without other more lablie reactive sites can be converted to an allylbenzene (like safrole) via condensation with allyl halide and subsequent aromatic Claisen rearrangement of the allyl phenol ether. From there it's known chemistry to get to an amphetamine derivative. pic related is delta-tocopherol, a form of vitamin E, and it's resulting amphetmaine derivative, which is strikingly similar to the 2C-x's and DOx's. There are literally thousands of easily obtainable phenol-derivatives out there with possibly psychoactive derivative amphetamines. Why has there not been more exploration into this chemical space?

Which Major Least hard

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- Sat, 04 Mar 2017 01:53:55 EST LObRvGV/ No.78585
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Which major requires less chemistry? Because to me, chem always seemed like an endless list of things to memorize: polyatomic ions, acids, bases, electron charges, drawing Lewis-dot diagrams, etc ad nauseum...

  • Neuroscience
  • Pharmacology
  • what else?
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Fucking Lightham - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:30:04 EST roSXguau No.78634 Reply
chem is fun in the lab, did neurosci major because the psych courses were easy, now getting over more into computer science. study what you like tho, you'll have plenty to memorize anyway.
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Esther Drandlegold - Sat, 15 Apr 2017 13:01:09 EST q+gC2Vuv No.78636 Reply
Neuroscience probably has less chemistry but both of those majors are pretty heavy memorization. You will have to memorize drug/metabolic pathways. At least in chemistry there is an internal logic to it once you get the basics down, but with molecular pathways it's almost senseless memorization with having to know all the different (often randomly named) parts and how they interact with each other.

What testing could be done on RCs ordered online?

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- Mon, 09 Nov 2015 17:25:34 EST NUJLhhhW No.77357
File: 1447107934857.jpg -(221066B / 215.88KB, 1045x854) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. What testing could be done on RCs ordered online?
So, I found a clearnet source for both Etizolam and Clon, but then upon checkout, this shit comes up:

>We will need a detailed account of your research methodology though before shipping any order. This an include how you will be utilizing the chemicals, what equipment is used, anticipated results, etc.

What is some things I can say? Obviously they know people are just ingesting them, yet they still have the disclaimer for Not For Human Consumption. That's fine.

But I've never seen this type of bullzhit.

anyone a science student or chemistry student or actual chemist or anything? I know some people say they can test for purity of the drugs. What would be used for that? Some type of ethanol, beakers, syringes, etc?

Thanks.
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Fanny Nucklelune - Mon, 27 Mar 2017 11:52:55 EST NiKHAkYF No.78613 Reply
>>78583
>we cannot divulge into specifics.
Excellently worded. You'll be fine.
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Phineas Gaffingcocke - Mon, 10 Apr 2017 00:00:59 EST n/Fuk2xx No.78631 Reply
what are you trying to do?
make Oxycontin?
I really wouldn't recommend that.
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Fucking Lightham - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 00:22:40 EST roSXguau No.78633 Reply
it's for zapping labrats, read and cite some research papers.

A/B xtract. Blood interaction.

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- Thu, 06 Apr 2017 22:23:54 EST LObRvGV/ No.78627
File: 1491531834158.jpg -(15650B / 15.28KB, 320x180) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. A/B xtract. Blood interaction.
If you did an A/B on a bunch of used cottons with some blood in the mix as well, what would the blood do if you add base->non-polar extract->add acid to neutralize.

Or wait, now I forget... ^ that sounds like "B/A'... if you're starting with traces of heroin-hcl leftover, then you would start with the base, riiiight....

P.S. check out your
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folder for some cringey streamer shit.

Retrosynthesis

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- Wed, 05 Apr 2017 05:17:10 EST kVxUxljq No.78621
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Hey guys, it's been awhile since I've studied Ochem (3 years now) and I'm pretty rusty. Thought I'd give retrosynthesis a crack but I'm seriously struggling with this kinda molecule.

I know my retrosynthesis probably looks dumb because as I said, I'm super rusty. Can anyone point me in the right direction please?
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press - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 07:15:23 EST Jirf0CGs No.78624 Reply
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what are your criteria for starting molecules?
if you go with B i think that deprotonating acetylacetone, which can be made via the claisen condensation of ethylethanoate and acetone, and then jamming that on 4-"something"hexan-1-ol would work if you the something is a good leaving group, like a trimetyl ammonium thingy for example.
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Charles Gillerbot - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 20:55:35 EST kVxUxljq No.78626 Reply
>>78624
the only real criteria is that it should be able to be done in the least amount of steps with commercially affordable reactants (which i guess is the point of retrosynthesis)

i'll give that a go, cheers!

N2O Synthesis

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- Fri, 03 Feb 2017 08:00:40 EST fDi3lCXD No.78519
File: 1486126840649.jpg -(141394B / 138.08KB, 720x1280) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. N2O Synthesis
Hey guys, whippets can get expensive. Does anyone synthesize their own N2O at home/do you have a favorite method of doing so?
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Bombastus !uYErosQbLM!!Mybq1UbK - Thu, 30 Mar 2017 19:31:30 EST 9aybb3lV No.78615 Reply
>>78614
why'd you delete your science madness account?
fucc i was gonna offer you a part time contracting thing there. reactivate bls.
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Augustus Blackcocke - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 14:29:58 EST 1YWXh+i8 No.78625 Reply
I'm sure the gas would get cheaper than whippets in cylinder form.

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