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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

my first dn purchase

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- Tue, 06 Aug 2019 21:54:57 EST LMHeY4RV No.291816
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do u use ur real name? fake name? any tips? pls dont flame me
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Fucking Diddlespear - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 08:32:51 EST QOYjFrPf No.291893 Reply
>>291886
Other search engines are available... yes ok 'technically' in a roundabout way the process started with a search and download of TOR, but we all know that's not the point you were making on your other post. Anyway whatever man - I'm more chilled now compared to how raging I generally was when I first responded, so let's kiss and make up... well not literally- I dont get down like that...
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Nicholas Shakeville - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 19:28:24 EST WJP1Lvla No.291909 Reply
Yes you always use your real name, that's one of the most basic things, if you don't that's a big red flag. Even people who aren't ordering drugs, lots of stories about crossdressers/transes ordering stuff to a different name and having to come to the post office with proof of id to pick them up lol


Anyway, use TAILS if you don't want to get got, or don't, more low hanging fruit, always PGP, etc.

Only trust links from the hidden service for dark.fail (ideally you would type it in manually in Tor on TAILS, bad OPSEC in general to go on the clearnet at the same time you're on the darknet

Oh, and TAILS is really fucked up right now for some reason, you have to install NoScript in Firefox manually and download the latest version of Electrum (if you send coins to an older version you will not get them, just fyi, so you have to do this).

Also things are still mostly FUD business as usual these days, but it's not nearly as good as it was even just a few years ago, I mean hundreds of thousands of drug dealers around the world aren't just going to say "fuck it I guess they won", but honestly the markets haven't truly recovered since Hansa and AB got taken down, and a couple recent busts have put a dent in a few supplies. Life finds a way though, as always.

Hungr

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- Sat, 06 Jul 2019 20:33:07 EST V9P4S/KZ No.291409
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Anyone else w/ HPPD get ridiculously hungry after a large dose and some weed? Maybe cause I don't eat much, but this shit makes me like extra hungry now
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r4nd0mName4ThaSkies - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 07:48:03 EST xIQWUtdP No.291905 Reply
>>291409
This is some geek shit. I just needed to write it down somewhere. I'm the real rand0h here that wasn't meant to diss you.

I wanna show up and give you a new way to be read off the list,
I would never do anything to harm you but give you a- riff,
Straight from my wired leviathan soul,
This is a sitch,
That I'd like to change let's keep shit possible,
Cause I wanna sit at your table,
You could call me the scorched angel,
walking fable,
Never knows just what to say but I do realize that I'm- ,
Here to Love & Protect someone else,
To learn to stop harming myself,
& open up the skies to bring back good faith to certain people's names,
I hope I didn't transfer pain,
Because I feel like if people followed even half of my virtues we wouldn't have no need for guns,
I hope I never hurt you I'm just focused on this new addiction in a wonderful sorta way it's kinda fun,
But I realize that if I did too much I wouldn't have none,
Of anything,
So we keep it 360,
& like a broken record I try to free myself from the rolling 60's,
I'm living breathing fire & ice except I'm made of dice for the living,
I'd like you to fit into at least one part of my lost pieces,
Songs for the new day,
I mean which way would we even go?,
Cause I'm startin to feel this way,
& it's lookin like I always need help on the subway but it's time to be me it's time to be me,
Running free I can finally see
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Crystal Sky - Tucandeo ft. Anthya(Mike Sonar Remix Edit) - Sat, 10 Aug 2019 12:36:05 EST xIQWUtdP No.291906 Reply
>>291409
I'm a good friend

Cocaine

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- Fri, 09 Aug 2019 18:43:22 EST Z3k0lGig No.291898
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Will you be sterile if you put coke on the tip of your cock?
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Eliza Drottingstock - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 20:52:02 EST TV5cKxPn No.291902 Reply
On, or in? Either way, I doubt it. The testicles produce the sperm and prostate produces the semen iirc, so idk how putting a sodium channel blocker on the head of your dick is going to somehow fuck any of that up

Meth fags

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- Fri, 02 Aug 2019 03:43:46 EST VRpkZvwF No.291736
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I know I'm technically not straight anymore, but that's besides the point.

I consider myself a straight guy, but every single time I shoot meth I watch twink porn. I like amateur homemade stuff, both guys skinny, one fucking the other doggy. I don't know how this started, but I've also been fucking fat chicks and beating off to bbw porn. Fat girl pussy is awesome. But anyway, I shoot dope, get on Grindr, find a twink and either get head if they can deepthroat, or I fuck them... Does anyone else do this? I am not turned on by it sober. Not at all. I'm worried I might get that itch though... I don't wanna turn hella homo, what do?

daddy would you like some sausage?
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Nicholas Billingworth - Fri, 09 Aug 2019 18:22:00 EST 0/+FZRUe No.291897 Reply
>>291895
Fuck you faggot. I fuck with my friend (also male) regularly and sometimes we forget to say no homo, but still it's just sex. It's not like we are some gay ass losers who love each other. So take your queer shit somewhere else.

nervous about meth

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- Tue, 11 Jun 2019 11:59:59 EST ZXrqATw1 No.291130
File: 1560268799611.jpg -(24330B / 23.76KB, 426x314) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. nervous about meth
background: adderall lover (30-60mg a day medicinally, ~120mg for all night work, 7 years of scattered experience)

i seem to have ADHD, never diagnosed. i use adderall to work my ass off. messed around with dexedrine while i could get it. i buy a friends script every month and i always run out too early.

after going back and forth, i've ordered a gram of crystal.

from what i understand if i can stick to dosing it orally, or at the very most snorting it, i should be able to use it responsibly.

initially i loved the idea of smoking it but after looking into it; it seems pretty dangerous in terms of the physical aspects (my teeth are all in tact but i don't take the best care of them), and the psychological aspects.

really nervous about trying crystal, it seems my intellectual drug friendly associates understand it can be easily used responsibly. however the stigma of this drug is extremely heavy. so many people say it's not worth it.

my best plan so far is to dose 50mg orally in the morning once i have it and see how that goes. not sure how my tolerance from addy is going to factor in.

not sure if making a mistake. looking from perspective from people that used pharmaceutical stims medicinally but also recreationally and then tried meth.

tl dr; addy user orders meth and is scared
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Isabella Tootstock - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 16:35:05 EST JKsqQeU3 No.291879 Reply
>>291857
Man I usually quote 3 days to people, but never say 'it's no big deal' - that shit is brutal! Also I generally try to explain that the 3 days thing is more acute withdrawal and for short acting Opi's- for me personally, the stronger the Opi, the longer that stage is. But yes - agree the PAWS stage is not generally talked about enough - and that shit (as you've already said) lasts ages! I actually hate what Opi's have done to my life - wish I'd never tried them looking back...
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Henry Blupperhatch - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 17:26:43 EST 0/+FZRUe No.291880 Reply
>>291857
Out of curiosity, how long have you been off opi (including bupe) in last few years, m?
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Betsy Turveybury - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 17:36:48 EST 4+Fg1cX6 No.291882 Reply
>>291857
ive been here kinda...after years of heroin use I got arrested and the first stage wasnt so bad...but my sleep was fucking fucked for like 2-3 months.

The ketogenic diet increases adenosine - Caffeine related

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- Wed, 07 Aug 2019 22:46:00 EST NfYy/AS+ No.291859
File: 1565232360670.png -(2190667B / 2.09MB, 1271x861) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. The ketogenic diet increases adenosine - Caffeine related
This is an interesting read, keto seems to upregulate adenosine. Caffeine is an antagonist of adenosine receptors. So this suggests to me that keto would be particularly helpful for coffee drinkers/caffeine consumers. High intensity exercise also increases adenosine.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2769009/

Post ur meth wisdoms ITT

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- Tue, 06 Aug 2019 01:37:56 EST gM0HN2UN No.291802
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Tryna compile a little pdf booklet for harm prevention and also just tips. Shit like:
>if u miss a shot, applying silver against the skin will draw out the dope from your muscle and reduce swelling/pain/possibly save you a hospital visit. I always wear a sterling silver chain for this reason. By the same token, shots will never mix correctly in a silver spoon. (If anyone knows the science behind this please explain btw, I only know from experience)
>if u lack a pookie, a tiny thin vial (think essential oils vial ) and a thick, narrow straw (think coffee stirrers or the ink tube in a sharpie) will work just as well. Use a paper clip or something bent around the lip to hold the vial. What out for cracks since it ain’t tempered.
>you can easily recrystalize dope that got dirty or burnt by water tricking/ dissolving your dope and then butting the water in a oven save glass dish and baking at like 240F. Watch it tho or it will get brown and gross.
>meth somewhat sterilizes itself. You wont get cotton fever from rinsing/reusing filters u less there was almost NO dope left stuck in them.
>when in doubt, boiling your shot in a pookie will kill any viruses or whatever. Boiling does waste dope though, and doing this will weaken the glass.
>you can smoke a bloody half - shot in a pipe if ur rig gets fucked up or whatever. It will taste fine.
>pookies are actually ideal to draw up shots out of because you can use heat to raise the saturation point by a lot and it’s easier to handle than a spoon/ Plus crackback shots fucking SLAP. Stick the syringe down the stem, not into the carb.
>use a black light to check the purity of your dope. Rerocking agent will glow white and lack a distinct grain- meth will remain clear and the crystal structure will be more visible. You will notice some rocks are almost entirely made of cut if your shot has been restocked; rerocking agents do not evenly distribute through the product.
>if your dope has been lazily cut with a powder, you can just dissolve it in water and crystallize it onto a string hung into a jar. You can drink the water if you are really worried about losing any, but most of the dope will rock up onto the string.
>If you break off the bowl of your pipe, you can very easily use a blowtorch to melt the end closed and then carefully blow a new bubble. All you need is the torch, pliers, and optionally a small metal poker to help the carb form. It often will just form itself by “popping” once the glass gets thin. You can also use a bong downstem or small thin bottle to make a pipe with relative ease and almost no practice.
>instead of scraping dope out of your stem or melting it toward the bowl, put it in the freezer for a bit and it will fall off the sides easily with a few flicks/
>kind of obvious, but snorting or shooting dope makes you less retarded than smoking an equivalent amount. Snorting is also a mug better roa for people looking to avoid becoming a tweaker, i have known many who casually snorted for years without developing a serious habit, but pretty much no one who smoked meth more than a couple times without becoming an addict.
>drink hella whole milk if you use enough that you are looking skeletal. It’s not as repulsive as food, has water that u really need anyways, and is chock full of fat and calories. Helps keep a bit of weight on.
>meth mouth is a lie. It’s lazy retard mouth. Brush your fucking teeth.
>your skin will also be fine if you practice basic hygiene and don’t pick at it.
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Son House - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 15:40:04 EST 6RfKjSqi No.291850 Reply
>>291824
Soap is ph balanced, meth is not
You know that burn in your nose?
That will eat away into your ears and make you go deaf
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dr. m - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 19:46:39 EST Y/wsYOYJ No.291858 Reply
>>291850
Bro that's what 5 cent pH strips and totally non-toxic washing soda (pH of 11) and citric acid (not sure the pH but it's non-toxic) are. All you need to do is make your meth have a pH of 7 and consume it via nasal, rectal, or oral solution. The cartel meth has relatively little chemical byproducts besides the intentional cuts like MSM.

You must have been buying that garbage pseudoephedrine shake & bake meth.
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Walter Dizzlehood - Thu, 08 Aug 2019 00:40:28 EST 6RfKjSqi No.291861 Reply
>>291858
For real and when I went to the hospital
F***ing scrubs motherf***ers said
"There's nothing we can do for a chemical burn"
Like wtf they did that in fight club!?!

Multi-fill scripts

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- Tue, 06 Aug 2019 10:15:54 EST 67hiwMaK No.291806
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So, my doctor accidently gave me 2 extra scripts (5 total) of adderall for this 3 month batch. I filled the last one about 5 days ago, after filling the previous 3 early enough to get it in right before it expired

It expires today. Obv, I would be paying with cash if I can get this one filled too, but Is there anyway to get past the Script Monitoring or is it just too hardcore these days? How do I fill this bad boy without getting red flagged?
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Dextrolord - Tue, 06 Aug 2019 15:38:37 EST VFRxP07o No.291810 Reply
>>291809
idk you could probly get it filled, or they will tell u "oh hey didn't you just refill last week? sorry but we can't refill again so soon without doctors approval."

the consequences could be nothing or a talk from your doctor about the stupid thing you just did. I don't think it's illegal on your part to try and fill the script the doctor gave you, if anything you could be getting your doctor in trouble. But I'm no lawyer
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Matilda Closhhurk - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 04:01:24 EST 4+Fg1cX6 No.291833 Reply
>>291806
Is this your first time filling your prescription? The pharmacy isnt going to refill it until the time frame is up. Unless he gave you literally like a couple days worth, you're not refilling it early.

If it says refills on hte bottle and you try to fill it why the fuck would that be illegal. Lol god, theres a bunch of morons on here lately.

Filling it early or trying to is not illegal either. Why the fuck would it be? I've had prescriptions sent in and some were staggered, so they tried to run them "early" but all they said was "I couldn't run this, come back on XX-XX-XXXX"

But they can and will call your doctor if they think you're acting like a fiend, so keep that in mind.
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Matilda Closhhurk - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 04:02:03 EST 4+Fg1cX6 No.291834 Reply
>>291809
doctor shopping and having multiple scripts is a crime yes, trying to refill your shit early is not.

Come up - High - Comedown

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- Mon, 05 Aug 2019 23:47:57 EST PpYSAinj No.291800
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Mainly he comedown, how do you make this less shit? Thanks.
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Lillian Senderstit - Wed, 07 Aug 2019 09:40:24 EST vXXftwHX No.291845 Reply
weed and/or benzos

nb.

Burn heal

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- Sat, 03 Aug 2019 19:09:13 EST 3uvKx8wU No.291766
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What is a reasonable explanation for a long vertical burn I got on my forehead while trying to smoke a bubble's stem

Effects of masturbation

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- Fri, 26 Jul 2019 17:54:56 EST PfhEhfJJ No.291658
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To what extent could masturbation affect the amphetamine high?

i sometimes fap for about an hour or so once my vyvanse (30mg) kicks in.

could doing this make the comedown worse or reduce the rest of the high/effectiveness of the drug for the rest of the day? assuming i eat and drink enough ofcourse. depleting dopamine and such i guess?
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Jesus Christ - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 20:33:51 EST 4Un9UPdU No.291754 Reply
>>291748
you might have to ice your dick, if I fap that long it can cause injury
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Shit Breckleford - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 13:35:54 EST IaFbAh6f No.291764 Reply
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I hate wasting my high just jerking it. I take red MD Kratom with my vyvanse. Kratom reduces libido and gives a rad buzz. The two mixed together give some good euphoria and I can actually can enjoy it and not just jerk off. That's just me though.
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Charles Panderlock - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 23:31:38 EST 3B7GqIaj No.291770 Reply
>>291764
I take kratom for the comedown, real comfy. I like to save benzos for binging since right now all I got is adderall and without xanax my heart gets too explodey once I pass a certain ridiculous amount of milligrams, like a few hundred.

And yes, jerking off all day is miserable and I hate it and I do it all the time.

mex and sex

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- Sat, 03 Aug 2019 19:13:33 EST /usAaCRN No.291767
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does meth really make most people horny? anything above a prescription adhd dose makes my dick stop working and my mind start racing. how can you focus on sex when your mind is overclocked and having epiphanies that rival the insight found on psychedelics?
funnily enough, i find the crash phase pretty useful for sexual stuff, particularly anal masturbation. my mind will feel mostly empty, and i'll get into a sort of trance. in this state, i find it easier than normal to get really into fucking myself with a dildo. i'm not sure why these two things are so synergetic for me. maybe it's just easier to take the time out of my day to get into anal when i'm too strung out to enjoy doing anything else.
am i misunderstanding something? do people actually wait for the crash to have sex? or do they really waste this wonderful tool of productivity by having sex all day?
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Charles Nupperstutch - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 22:57:54 EST kKJd/9p7 No.291769 Reply
Never done meth but the tail end of that sounds like most of a Benzedrex high. I'm going to try sticking stuff up my ass next time too.

Addall: Any recreational use?

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- Fri, 02 Aug 2019 19:24:10 EST D4kZRAKT No.291750
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Hey /stim/. It's been a long while since I've done anything recreational, and I was looking into legal alternatives to my typical choices. Does this stuff have any value? Will it give me a high, or just keep me awake? Anybody have any other recommendations? Thanks in advance.
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Emma Nemmlestodge - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 00:35:35 EST 3B7GqIaj No.291760 Reply
>>291751
amphetamine doesn't release much less dopamine than meth. It releases considerably more norepinephrine though, so you can't take nearly as high a dose before it starts getting uncomfortable. Plus its minimal effect on serotonin means it won't be as 'spacy' or excitable as meth.
A lot of the NE side effects can be mitigated by benzos. You can get plenty high on dexamphetamine, it just takes more 'work' than meth.
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Frederick Dennertidging - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 00:42:50 EST PpYSAinj No.291761 Reply
>>291760
There we go, thanks man I know a little bit more thanks to you.
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Emma Nemmlestodge - Sat, 03 Aug 2019 01:43:49 EST 3B7GqIaj No.291762 Reply
>>291761
Before being accused of saying "meth and adderall are the same lmao" I should clarify that there are more differences than that. Meth also lasts much longer and crosses the blood brain barrier lightning fast, so it's all around a more potent and euphoric drug. They also target different dopamine pathways, so they're attacking slightly different regions of the brain. Meth releases more dopamine but the data is all over the place regarding exactly how much more. And levoamphetamine in something like adderall makes the peripheral side effects even more severe.

There are a lot of complicated distinctions but the end of the day meth and dex are more similar than they are different.

Cocaine General

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- Wed, 17 Jul 2019 16:41:12 EST 2A8r2Ahu No.291565
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This board does not deserve to be so dead.

Anyway, recently I tried coke for the first time (years of experience with traditional stims, MPA, MDPV, 2FMA, 4MMC, all the nasty shitty rcs. NEVER has my experience of a drug differed so much from what I expected personally. I knew about the short duration, the fact that it's pretty clear headed and lacking in "euphoria" at least compared to the amphetamine family. Still, I was really surprised at how chill and clean it felt.

So, on that note, I thought it would be neat to start a thread about good ole coke. Specifically,



>What are some common misconceptions about the high, the cocaine community, side effects etc.

>What are the advantages/disadvantages of the various ROAs

>What is the ideal dosage? Combinations? What are your thoughts on cocaethylene (or whatever it is that you get when you combine alcohol and blow), better or worse feeling than coke on it's own? Longer duration?

>What do you enjoy doing on coke? How does it make you feel?

>Does it deserve the stigma? I know that ROA makes a big difference, with IV users and to a certain extent rock smokers suffering a lot more negative long term effects and also more likely to be chronically addicted.

>Experiences with oral coke? The oral bioavailability is a lot better than most people think, I wonder if the increased duration and smoother high would make this more palatable for longer sessions.

Anyway, have fun. I mainly wanted a bit of conversation here about the drugs and how best to enjoy them, it seems a lot of discussion is just noobs asking for basic advice they can get on the internet (recommend psychonautwiki personally, also erowid). Eh, I'm stimmed. Sorry if this generates zero interest.
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Charles Grimwell - Mon, 22 Jul 2019 15:22:23 EST Re3X20jR No.291619 Reply
>>291605
No, but from what I've read it seems like a more dopaminergic coke, which sounds perfect to me as pure coke is a lot more serotonergic and feels very lucid. Unless ofc you're drinking at the same time, cocaethylene feels a lot more intoxicating but more euphoric too. If it's similar to cocaethylene in it's mechanism of action, the side effects might be more intensive than pure cocaine as well.

>>291603
If only me 10 years ago knew that I needed to do more drugs, not less... Or at least stockpile for the narcopocalypse :(
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Phoebe Hiffinglut - Fri, 02 Aug 2019 11:02:49 EST fbQan9bm No.291745 Reply
>>291565

>What are some common misconceptions about the high, the cocaine community, side effects etc.

I think the biggest misconception people have is that everyone who does coke is a basehead or a wall street exec. It's went from being a more or less socially acceptable party drug to being a taboo in most circles. Had a friend straight up tell me how terrified he was of trying coke because he didn't want to become like some TV caricature of an addict.

>What are the advantages/disadvantages of the various ROAs

I've only ever snorted my coke.

>What is the ideal dosage? Combinations? What are your thoughts on cocaethylene (or whatever it is that you get when you combine alcohol and blow), better or worse feeling than coke on it's own? Longer duration?

Haven't tried booze and coke. MXE and coke was surprisingly pleasant, plenty of FUCK YEAH energy vibes but without any anxiety of what I was going to do for fun etc, just felt smooth and euphoric and capable.

>What do you enjoy doing on coke? How does it make you feel?

Talking, socializing when I'm with others doing it. I try to avoid doing it by myself because inevitably I just end up shitposting on here or launching into an hours long fap session hoarding porn. In one night I managed to fill a 64 GB drive with porn, not even watching it to fap, just watching it for the aesthetics.

>Does it deserve the stigma? I know that ROA makes a big difference, with IV users and to a certain extent rock smokers suffering a lot more negative long term effects and also more likely to be chronically addicted.

The drug itself doesn't deserve the stigma any more than a rifle deserves the stigma as a mass murder machine. It's all about how people use it. Coke is coke, it's not more or less sinister.


Coke is a bit of an enigma for me. It's the only drug I've done that both really lived up to and really fell short of the hype. I thought it would be some game changing high before I tried it for the first time, that I would feel like your typical movie coke user and feel invincible and energetic etc. I took my first lines of coke before an all day festival and kept a g on me to redose while out and about. It was fun to be sure but nothing like I had come to expect. I found it made me a lot more willing to go up to random people and talk, and I had similar issues I had with mephedrone where I'd make a lot of plans with thots to hook up and then once I'd sober up I'd be thinking what the actual fuck this person is so goddamn boring I feel like I'm talking to a pile of bricks. As for the high itself I would rate it somewhere between adderall and meth, a good high that feels fucking great when you get pure product, but not as epic as I was essentially told it was all my life.

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