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420chan is Getting Overhauled - Changelog/Bug Report/Request Thread (Updated July 26)

Fuck real life

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- Sun, 30 Jun 2019 04:43:10 EST QWL9ccVa No.291300
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I got tired of it. I thought I was getting dinner with my friends. All of the sudden it has turned into an all night trip.

I like metalcore. It brings me back. My friends can't bring me back anymore. I drove back to my gfs house. but I'm drunk. I avoided contact and drove back home. I don't want to get pulled over.

I want to die.
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Betsy Smallshit - Sun, 30 Jun 2019 04:51:28 EST QWL9ccVa No.291302 Reply
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>>291300
I understand op. Sometimes, all I can do is stare at the wall and fucking scream.

Adderall Tolerance

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- Tue, 25 Jun 2019 20:34:49 EST govsCW9f No.291245
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Whats up my productive degenerate peers?

Whats the fastest way to drop Adderall tolerance and whats the best way to up absorption during metabolization?

Also, a simple question: Is Dexedrine similar or give the same feeling as Vyvanse or is it different?
>(Note "feeling",I already know the prodrug aspects of Vyvanse, please don't go into that.)
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Archie Wagglenog - Fri, 28 Jun 2019 12:11:41 EST 3B7GqIaj No.291283 Reply
>>291281
genuine question: Is there a biological rationale for taking less instead of abstaining totally? Why would a taper be better than stopping completely, besides not feeling half-dead for a month or forever?

All hypothetical I'll more likely just switch back to meth
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Clara Chozzleville - Fri, 28 Jun 2019 13:59:58 EST qKVZWnOA No.291284 Reply
>>291283
Not totally sure on this — complete abstisence may be better, but I have heard that there is a “compensatory” effect where your dopamine receptors adjust to the presence of lower amounts of artificial dopaminergic increases. Here’s a good explanation of it that I didn’t write:
Compensatory response is a mechanism that causes the opposite effects to the drug being taken in order to protect the brain - that is the main contributor to tolerance AND to comedowns.

For example, if you have Amphetamine tolerance, whenever you take an Amphetamine dose, the brain will detect the drug and immediately reduce dopamine concentrations globally in the brain, to counteract the dopamine increasing actions of Amphetamine.

Now, the compensatory response usually lasts longer than the drug itself. That means that even after the drug has mostly left the brain, the compensatory response will keep lowering dopamine concentrations, hence the comedown.

The homeostatic model theory of tolerance and withdrawal (receptor regulation and enzymatic modifications) is insufficient to explain the mechanisms standing behind these principles. It is concluded, then, that compensatory responses and environmental cues are more closely related to tolerance and withdrawal, respectively (withdrawal is dependent on the appearance of environmental cues related to it). Tolerance to receptor agonists is not primarily because of receptor downregulation, but because of a compensatory response consisting receptor antagonists or a reduction in release of the endogenous ligand to that receptor.

It is known, though, that very low doses of the drug which tolerance has been developed to have interesting effects on the compensatory response.

For example, if someone with Amphetamine tolerance takes a very low dose of Amphetamine, the compensatory response will be disproportional to the dose and reduce dopamine concentrations more than it needed to (because the compensatory response develops to drug dose, not to the drug itself). The result is a mathematically negative drug effect, induced by a too powerful compensatory response.

So, after a single very low dose of Amphetamine, the compensatory response will be very strong and reduce dopamine concentrations too much, but afterwards, it'll adjust itself to be NEGATIVE - that means, after a very low dose of Amphetamine, subsequent Amphetamine doses will be stronger, since the compensatory response will increase Amphetamine's effects instead of decreasing it (this is because the compensatory response will adjust itself to the very low dose, reversing itself and therefore increasing the effects of high doses).

So, in essence that means, that very low doses can change the compensatory response so it makes drugs even stronger than what they are supposed to be (the response will amplify the effect).

To sum up:

Tolerance and comedown are more closely related to compensatory responses than to receptor regulation itself.
Withdrawal symptoms mainly occur because of environmental cues that are related to the drug.
Low doses can reverse the compensatory effect, making it increase the drug effect instead of countering it, causing the drug effect to be stronger.
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Phineas Grandworth - Fri, 28 Jun 2019 18:56:47 EST FAGhMz/1 No.291285 Reply
>>291283
Yes there is, low doses of amphetamine should theoretically make dopamine receptors more sensitive (requiring less stimulation i.e. smaller doses). However dopamine isn't the only thing that is physically responsible for good amph high and it takes time to work, then there are some psychological factors involved too.
Tl:dr - yes, but it's not some magic trick

What's upper with that?

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- Mon, 17 Jun 2019 14:31:40 EST MspUjLpw No.291185
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Is Concerta like other methylphenidate-drugs? I've read about some substance they include for slow-releasing them. So do I just snort them normally like Ritalin anyway?
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Polly Perryfud - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:23:44 EST TV5cKxPn No.291196 Reply
>>291185
snorting concerta is overly complicated and not worth it. it's got various other compnounds mixed with it as part of its convoluted ass time release mechanism which is a reverse osmotic pump. you're pretty much just stuck taking the pill orally.
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Hedda Bemmerdatch - Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:25:25 EST 4+Fg1cX6 No.291268 Reply
>>291196
ive seen guides on how to get all that shit apart. but even the pill casing has some methylphenidate it in IIRC.
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Lydia Buzzford - Thu, 27 Jun 2019 10:55:14 EST WJP1Lvla No.291272 Reply
>>291268
yeah, there are parts you can get some out of to snort but you'd be wasting it if you didn't just eat the rest, it's a completely different drug oral vs other ROA though so you kind of get both that way

if you don't get a higher mg pill you'll get a whole lot of nothing

Thoughts on amphetamine

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- Sun, 26 May 2019 20:04:44 EST 4bB/3uKi No.290974
File: 1558915484838.jpg -(252847B / 246.92KB, 1575x1080) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Thoughts on amphetamine
Until a couple of weeks ago, the only stimulants I had ever tried were caffeine and MDMA (LSD and 2C-B are somewhat stimulating but can't really be called stimulants). I got 2 grams of racemic amphetamine sulphate from a DNM. Obviously, euro speed is known for being impure and cut with dextrose, caffeine and a bunch of other shit, but based on reviews and forum threads, this was some good stuff as far as DNM speed goes. It was perfectly white, dry and coarse (first time I ever use that word).

I've done it four times now and just wanna write a little bit about my experience with it.

Before trying it, my plan was to not redose at all. It didn't take long for me to understand why people who use this stuff binge for days. The enjoyable effects seem to last around three hours *at most*, and the desire to snort more speed comes very soon after the inital dose. My compromise has been to do a couple of lines until I feel I've had enough, wait around three hours, then take about the same amount again, but no redosing after that.

The initial, positive effects are a mild euphoria (I thought it would be a lot stronger), a somewhat MDMA-like empathy, feeling energized and chatty. Most of these effects seem to fade within 2-3 hours, and you're left with a strong urge to do more speed, cold hands and feet, mild anxiety and an uncomfortable feeling where the body feels stimulated but the brain tired and a bit out of it. Because of this it feels pointless to do speed without redosing at least once, since you're just gonna feel kinda good for 2-3 hours and kinda uncomfortable and shitty for 5-6 hours.

While I do enjoy it somewhat, I don't really understand how people manage to become addicted to this stuff. There are a lot of undesirable and uncomfortable side effects to deal with and the payoff is a rather mild, fleeting euphoria. In addition to the stuff I mentioned above, you're unable to eat properly (which could mean stomach pain when you come down). You can't get an erection but you're really horny, so you end up jerking your flaccid dick to the most depraved porn. The day after, even if you manage to get adequate sleep, you're gonna feel kinda worn out. The undersired effects are just too much for me to imagine I would ever wanna do this daily. (I guess feeling this way makes it less likely I'll become a speed addict, which is good.)

I thought the chattiness induced by amphetamine would make it a great drug to take before going to a party, but the short duration of the enjoyable effects kinda ruins it. I wouldn't wanna bring speed with me to snort in the bathroom every other hour, which would kinda be required in order to not start coming down while still at the party.

Another thing, two times I've taken it while recovering from a cold. Both times, I've become more sick the day after. The first time I stupidly thought this might have been a coincidence, so a few days later when I was feeling better again I did some speed, but predictably, it made me more sick the day after again. So stay away from speed if you've got a cold, I guess.

I don't know, this is kind of a blogpost. Maybe it could spawn some interesting discussion, otherwise just ignore.
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Henry Binderpudge - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 10:57:07 EST kKJd/9p7 No.291215 Reply
>>291214
lol, this. I recently listened to a narration of meth psychosis trip reports on a creepypasta channel, the narrator introduced the stories by saying "I'm abridging some of it because it seems meth makes people quite wordy."
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Hedda Bemmerdatch - Thu, 27 Jun 2019 04:23:24 EST 4+Fg1cX6 No.291266 Reply
i loled...nice wall of amphetamine laced text OP.

HANDICAPED BY PILLS

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- Wed, 15 May 2019 13:29:43 EST rfRsaoqv No.290809
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Yesterday I snorted so much methylphenidate I became legit retarded for 45 minutes.
Turning, drowling and even the funny sounds.

Heart attack spook > Downsyndrome spook
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Martin Gullerfield - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 18:56:46 EST RXeygTT6 No.291199 Reply
I know this feel, OP. I had to go onto Concerta a while back before they switched me to an amphetamine-based med. Then as the dose got titrated up it started actually doing something for me, albeit with side effects. My attention span was better, but my energy was quite low, and I felt zonked. It felt aight chemically, but was obviously not sustainable or beneficial in the ways I desired.

An important thing to remember when going on psychonautical journeys is that if the drugs are making you feel more retarded than usual, this might be normal for the dose you're taking. Which is to say that the retardation is only a temporary effect, unless one was retarded to begin with. Although, the ability to gauge one's own mental state and determine that "shit is fucked up" is probably a sign of greater intelligence, meaning you were probably no more than stupid at most.
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Walter Mungerpodge - Mon, 24 Jun 2019 09:17:46 EST aPnUp53U No.291232 Reply
>>291199
never posted on 420chan before but i like your comment a lot. Good one

the right things to say

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- Tue, 25 Jun 2019 00:23:52 EST RSxXUp1D No.291237
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i had a friend my sophomore year in high school that didn’t like taking his daily adderall. long story short, he started giving me his daily dose every school day. that shit helped me get a 3.2 gpa lmao anyway, it’s been a while but i wanna start doing it again. what’s a sure fire thing to say to a doctor to get it? (fyi i have insurance with kaiser, not sure if that makes a difference)
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Rebecca Smallwater - Tue, 25 Jun 2019 08:21:38 EST +m2TUOm6 No.291240 Reply
>>291237
You took adderall in high school and only got a 3.2...? Lmao

Bump When Shitty Pickup

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- Mon, 24 Jun 2019 03:25:22 EST C70W6u0l No.291231
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Just got some booger sugar. Shit is really weak, about 25% the potency I am used to. Was so excited after a dry spell. Oh well at least it's something.

some meth questions

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- Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:42:52 EST R1SjzUW4 No.291191
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Hi, I have recently acquired what is supposed to be meth, and i have some questions after having tried it. First off, i always hear that meth is supposed to last 8-12 hours, but when i tried dosing about 10mg of this stuff orally, it only really gave me a peak that lasted 4 hours or so. I was also told that meth doesn't have as much of a crash as other stims, but i crashed pretty hard. i also felt way more burned out for a few days afterwords. It definitely came in a crystallized form, so i assumed it was real stuff. Is it possible that my body just processes it differently, or is there another stimulant it could be?

I'm kind of torn on whether or not i want to use this again. i was planning to use it to increase productivity, but the level of burnout almost seams too much to justify it. I did use it two days in a row, and redosed a couple times on the second day. i might try again but without redosing to see how it goes
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Caroline Bardway - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:25:00 EST B61UV0sm No.291194 Reply
>>291191
it might not be meth, but 10mg is such a small amount that the duration of pleasurable effects might be closer to 2-5 hours, with the remainder of the effects feeling like crashing. also, the crash still sucks, don't conflate the crash sucking "less" with not really sucking at all.

overall though, when it comes ot the 8-12 hour figure, it's referring to when people are dosing more between 60-200mg.

also, for somebody that doesn't have a tolerance, the crash is much, much worse (in addition to the high being much, much better/potent).
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Polly Perryfud - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:26:10 EST TV5cKxPn No.291195 Reply
one last thing. before developing a tolerance, redosing the next day seems to produce more negative effects than positive ones. the body builds a tolerance to both the positive and negative effects of the drug over time.

Pulmonary hypertension

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- Tue, 18 Jun 2019 13:27:10 EST h/LcW3RQ No.291192
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Guys be careful not to abuse your adhd meds all the time, it can add up over yeaea and cause pulmonary hypertension which can make u ded
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Polly Perryfud - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:20:57 EST TV5cKxPn No.291193 Reply
thanks for the entry level advice

Meth street prices

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- Mon, 13 May 2019 21:58:48 EST 3/ExM/pK No.290782
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Just had some dude try to sell me two points of meth for 60 bucks. What the fuck? What happened to ten bucks a point?

What are street prices like in your area? Have I been away too long? Is shit more costly now?
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Basil Moffingnark - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 10:17:45 EST 5/5umR9y No.291152 Reply
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>>290782
LMAO 10 bucks a point? Learn to use darknet, kiddo
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Phineas Shakeway - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:11:14 EST jdz10BCd No.291180 Reply
Man I used to find it for $10 per 100mg, discounts for bulk but lost my connect.
Rn I pick up off a sex worker (who probably uses) and she chops to me for exorbitant prices. I paid $40 and got 120mg of shard. I paid for 500mg.

I should just cold cop...

Concerta and Coffee.

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- Tue, 21 May 2019 10:03:32 EST mx09MWCd No.290913
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Currently taking 54mg of long-release Concerta and I was wondering why is it that doctors recommend not taking coffee with it (apart from the obvious reasons such as anxiety and palpitations).
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Nell Fuckingville - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 08:27:14 EST 3B7GqIaj No.291101 Reply
>>291081
Propranolol gave me such fucked up dreams I was afraid I was falling into psychosis. Luckily it just happens to be a common side effect.
I know that the conventional wisdom of not mixing beta blockers and stimulants is based on kind of outdated evidence, but it still made me feel physically 'off' and like it wasn't a good combo. I tried to get my shrink to give me clonidine but she only pumped me full of more xanax instead.
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Molly Billinghall - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 06:49:34 EST D2ofMr+g No.291150 Reply
>>290962
This it's like you can't breathe anymore for like a second. Very scary.
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sweetordeep benzospot - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:33:58 EST pL0MKnnD No.291181 Reply
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>OP's pic Arkantos saying his favorite saying, probably going to war or something straight after
>Rocked Age of Mythology so hardcore much it gave me scoliosis.
>Got me recently just an inocent looking tattoo for most of all folk
Better pump this picture into circulation GOGOGO!!

obsessive compulsions

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- Thu, 13 Jun 2019 16:14:06 EST h/LcW3RQ No.291157
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Anyone else here have some weird OCD habits maybe partly due to ADHD meds?

Am i the only one who uses browser tabs as reminders and ends up with >1k tab sessions? I must have about thirty that say shit like
>DONT FORGET TO BRUSH TEETH
always writing on hands and arms shit like that

hmm
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Edwin Fonningnad - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 05:51:40 EST zYGM4zg7 No.291166 Reply
>>291157
A doctor some years ago said I have OCD, but that was before I started using meds that treat ADHD (which I think I do not have). Write in a journal.

New Primary Care Provider

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- Mon, 03 Jun 2019 21:25:45 EST V1me3jGZ No.291064
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>got diagnosed with a ritalin prescription last year october
>used it till the beginning of february
>4 months of being on it was great
>moved away for college
>had to transfer records and set up appointment
>have been on a 4 month break since
>first patient visit at new location today
>make clear points why it works for me and stuff
>wants me to get on strattera and a mental health evaluation
>can't give out scripts first visit
>visit ends
>next schedule visit is a month away

The receptionist told me my provider does same day visits, meaning if I call in the morning I can visit that day. I am essentially trying to plan a urine sample test this week and schedule another same day appointment next week so I can actually get the prescription before summer classes start.

She says she believes my previous providers diagnosis, but would like to get a more professional evaluation. She said I could have some time to think about if I want to do the strattera and professional evaluation. I plan on saying I rather not do the strattera and evaluation and would like to get back on medication.

Is this a good idea?
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Phyllis Climblestin - Tue, 04 Jun 2019 17:31:15 EST V1me3jGZ No.291066 Reply
>>291065
That's my next option if she continues to bring this up. I have a sneaking suspicion she was thinking the worse in me because it's a controlled substance. Doesn't make sense either if I look like a productive member of society and I've stated my reasons why the medication helps. I'm just trying to get this done asap without any hiccups.
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Martin Cruppernid - Wed, 05 Jun 2019 22:45:50 EST 4+Fg1cX6 No.291075 Reply
>>291064
take the strattera and in a month bitch about side effects and get switched.


if they dont give you something good, or try some other dumb shit (Effexor or Risperdol or whatever) tell them to fuck off and get a new doctor.
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Hedda Grimford - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 15:05:14 EST V1me3jGZ No.291156 Reply
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Well bros I just got back from a 2nd visit. I iterated my point that I was diagnosed last year and do not want to take an alternative strattera and go through a mental health evaluation when the previous time being on the medication was fine. She absolutely refused to go through with prescribing the medication during the whole duration of the appointment.

I noticed that she kept talking as if it was in her own personal opinion for her recommendations because she doesn't feel comfortable prescribing me. Which made me think that she was giving her own thought that doesn't necessarily apply any of her licensed professions knowledge. I'm currently having thoughts that they're allowed to do that in any regard.

It got insulting because she started talking about people selling drugs which made me think she was indirectly referring to me that she has a suspicion of me attempting to do. This doesn't make any sense at all to me because I haven't been on my medication for around 5 months now.

In short I'm going to research the doctors that do work at this health center and switch to a new provider.

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