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Psychedelic effects from Dextroamphetamine

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- Thu, 06 Aug 2020 11:17:58 EST +EOOjhGF No.295381
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I'm a very experienced drug user, including psychedelic hallucinogens. (Have done plenty of psilocybian mushrooms.)

Anyways, I started recreationally using dopaminergic psychostimulants at the age of 13 (I'm 25.), and always noticed mild psychedelic hallucinogen effects from high doses. (Tracers, deep alteration of thought not unlike shrooms or high doses of cannabinoids, slight morphing of certain images, and mild synthasthesia.)

I've noticed it from both dextroamphetamine, and propylhexedrine. (Propylhexedrine's being more intense as it's a slightly stronger stimulant.)

Neither Dextroampheamine or Propylhexedrine have any binding affinity for Serotonin 5ht2-a, 5ht2-b, or 5ht2-c receptor subtypes. Which is the primary mechanism for psychedelic hallucinogens. (They both do however, both weakly bind to 5ht1a, which just releases low concentrations of Oxytocin etc. and has no psychedelic effects.)

So, I'm curious, how common is this?

I can't wait to try MDMA, which genuinely does elicit psychedelic effects because of my reaction.
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Esther Pockworth - Fri, 07 Aug 2020 05:45:24 EST ujTEzZy6 No.295386 Reply
its incredibly common to experience some overlapping effects of psychedelics such as video/audio hallucinations and an altered thought process while under the influence of stimulants. as these effects get stronger they manifest into psychosis.
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Lydia Brullerlork - Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:02:13 EST cx3esayx No.295448 Reply
I don't experience psychedelic effects but I experience spooky shit after day three of my binge. Like shadow people, random streaks in my vision, thinking I'm in different realities. I think psychosis is a better term to describe it
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Nathaniel Smallman - Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:07:28 EST +EOOjhGF No.295449 Reply
>>295381

OP heres. No, I'm not talking about psychosis, but rather genuine psychedelic effects. Similar to a high dose of Cannabinoids or a low dose of shrooms/LSD.
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Hamilton Canningridge - Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:25:54 EST HALduR/k No.295450 Reply
>>295449
Weird shit dude, is your shit laced with something? I've been using a variety of stims for around 7 years and have never experienced that
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Nathaniel Smallman - Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:35:59 EST +EOOjhGF No.295451 Reply
>>295450

OP. No man, it's not laced. It's prescription Adderall. I usually take around 100 mg. Sometimes 120-140 mg with a tolerance. I'm really interested in trying MDMA because of this. Which actually already has psychedelic hallucinogen effects, although weak ones normally.
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Hamilton Canningridge - Wed, 12 Aug 2020 20:47:18 EST HALduR/k No.295452 Reply
>>295451
Might be your brain chemistry or some shit. Some people react completely differently to drugs
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George Wockledale - Fri, 14 Aug 2020 03:03:51 EST ujTEzZy6 No.295474 Reply
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>>295449
i understand that you're not talking about psychosis, that does not mean you can exclude similar effects to those experienced by psychedelics. additionally, you are more likely to experience 'psychedelic' effects if you have a history of psy use. for example, meth 'hallucinations' can result in seeing pic related; a parrot with a muscular human arm giving you the ok symbol based off an ad you saw in the corner of your eye.
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Priscilla Hesslewell - Fri, 14 Aug 2020 03:53:32 EST Zm3Uj2Eq No.295475 Reply
>>295381
You'll find what your looking for.

At the dose you specified those apparently psychedelic effects I can assure have nothing to do with psychedelics even if they may resemble them.
YMMV
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Edward Dambledale - Sun, 16 Aug 2020 06:41:43 EST 1jDkS4PY No.295513 Reply
>>295381
It's not terribly clear or understood. Research the three major hypotheses of schizophrenia and investigate how they overlap, the dopamine hypothesis, glutamate hypothesis, and serotonin hypothesis of schizophrenia. The excessive dopaminergic and glutamatergic activity can lead to hallucinations, it doesn't always have to present with psychotic episodes. 5-HT2a agonism doesn't cause hallucinations on its own. NMDA antagonism can also lead to hallucinations, both are highly linked to glutamate function. Then too, you have anticholinergic deliriants that cause convincing hallucinations that can't be recognized as not being real. Acetylcholine function is linked to dopamine function, and dopamine activity largely affects glutamate activity. Serotonin also affects glutamate activity, and it also modulates dopamien activity.

I think these research papers on 5-HT2A agonism and how they affect perception may be of interest to you. They also introduce you to other concepts about how consciousness works (if you've not already been).
http://www.tripzine.com/pit/html/multi-state-theory.htm
http://psychedelic-information-theory.com/5HT2A-Agonism-and-Multisensory-Binding
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Lillian Wirringham - Sun, 16 Aug 2020 13:17:39 EST +EOOjhGF No.295527 Reply
>>295513

Yes, interesting stuff. Although I'm already familiar with all the neurochemical imbalance theories behind psychosis/schizophrenia.

Anyways, the effects I'm referencing are not stimulant-psychosis. I've experienced that a few times and this is much different. It's actual, although mild, psychedelic hallucinogen effects. The effects are very similar to a low dose of psilocybin/psilocyn or a high dose of THC. I could use my Adderall to substitute for Cannabis with these effects.

I also still get all the normal effects, such as intense euphoria, intense stimulation, and performance-enhancing effects. I guess it's just my brain chemistry.
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Wesley Fedgedale - Sun, 16 Aug 2020 18:56:20 EST ujTEzZy6 No.295536 Reply
>>295527
you keep mentioning "stimulant-psychosis" when everyone is telling you its not psychosis. nb
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Shit Pittham - Tue, 18 Aug 2020 08:06:41 EST HALduR/k No.295559 Reply
Usually I'll booze hard on the comedown but didn't have any last night and I was up for prob about 48 hours. Tried melatonin and it didn't do shit.
Was getting pretty intense CEVs, I was playing GTA all day so I was getting these visuals that look like when police are looking for you on the minimap. Tried watching a show and all the letters were all jumbly and shit, hard to explain. Its like they were all cartoon letters that were moving around. Pretty trippy shit.
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Ian Pockshaw - Tue, 18 Aug 2020 22:25:50 EST ujTEzZy6 No.295565 Reply
>>295559
>Was getting pretty intense CEVs, I was playing GTA all day so I was getting these visuals that look like when police are looking for you on the minimap.
you will experience this simply by playing a video game for hours at a time regardless of drug consumption.
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Frederick Fuckingway - Thu, 20 Aug 2020 09:46:24 EST +EOOjhGF No.295590 Reply
>>295381

OP here. My guess is that it's something to do with Amphetamine as a TAAR1 agonist. (Trace Amine Associated Receptor). Probably from the increased release of Tryptamine and related compounds. It does this to everybody, I guess I'm just hypersensitive to it.
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Hedda Blythecocke - Fri, 21 Aug 2020 05:38:21 EST ujTEzZy6 No.295601 Reply
>>295590
we all experience similar effects on stims, we just don't freak out about it.
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Hedda Blythecocke - Fri, 21 Aug 2020 05:44:27 EST ujTEzZy6 No.295602 Reply
>>295590
please go back to /psy/ to circle jerk about how unique you are.
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William Tootfield - Fri, 21 Aug 2020 09:05:39 EST HALduR/k No.295608 Reply
>>295601
>>295602
Chill dude, OP was just trying to find out about why he might be experiencing psychedelic effects from stims.

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