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Ubuntu moving to Gnome

- Wed, 05 Apr 2017 16:45:03 EST M7VxLFS8 No.120857
File: 1491425103117.png -(23112B / 22.57KB, 500x500) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Ubuntu moving to Gnome
Canonical has given up on Unity and Mir. Seems like good news for Linux, but does it signal the beginning of the end for Ubuntu?

ErnestTootgold.icm - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:28:51 EST zwx88pA5 No.120858 Reply
They probably just looked up their statistics and realized everyone was installing Gnome.

They also got signficantly shit all over for the time they tried to put auto-complete in Unity and broke some unwritten codes of privacy and security.
AlbertGesslehotch.lgo - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:31:17 EST srvgN8Nq No.120859 Reply
Why would this be good news for Linux? Or the end for Ubuntu? What?
SophieCavingbury.psp - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:35:07 EST M7VxLFS8 No.120861 Reply

> Why would this be good news for Linux
Less fragmentation, more resources going into existing projects.

> Or the end for Ubuntu
Because it's a sign that they don't have as much weight to throw around. Also because it may indicate that they're downsizing.
AlbertGesslehotch.lgo - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 17:53:32 EST srvgN8Nq No.120862 Reply
Most people are using Unity on Ubuntu (they're the ones who stuck around) and that Amazon shit was a lifetime ago. The whole point of Mir and Unity was to get it on a phone and compete with Android. Why it took them all this time to admit that it wasn't going to happen, I don't know. The plug was only pulled on Firefox OS in September, so maybe these things just take time.

That's funny, I thought the whole reason they did the mobile venture was that they didn't have much weight to throw around in the desktop space. It started amid declining install base numbers and derivative distros changing to Debian.
ErnestTootgold.icm - Wed, 05 Apr 2017 18:19:06 EST zwx88pA5 No.120863 Reply
They literally tried to be Windows 8.

What we actually need is a strong desktop window manager, then a little widget somewhere that switches the WM over to giant touch buttons and a giant touch app menu.

The idea of something in between being universal just doesn't jibe with either end of the problem.
OliverCablingchine.rdo - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 21:08:47 EST ZniXcrru No.120876 Reply
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> Less fragmentation
implying this would have an overall impact on linux fragmentation
NigelClemblekurk.asp - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 23:13:49 EST SmETnUvB No.120877 Reply
Distros aren't a suitable measure of fragmentation as distros are usually just different combinations of different software for the same purpose. There's really only two big desktop environments, GNOME and KDE. Canonical going solo with their own desktop environment AND window manager was a big fucking deal.
NigelClemblekurk.asp - Thu, 06 Apr 2017 23:18:40 EST SmETnUvB No.120878 Reply
Also that graphic is cool but misleading, Only Debian, Fedora/RedHat, Ubuntu, SuSe, Arch, and Gentoo really matter on that graph. Any DE that works on one will work on others. The idea of making a DE that probably only works on one of those was revolting.
BeatriceMurdfoot.csv - Fri, 07 Apr 2017 20:18:01 EST Rt7JLrx3 No.120883 Reply

Someone's already told you what's wrong about what you said... But off topic, I'd love to see that same graphic but with the reason for each distro. Just a quick "but with:" statement for each, like for Manjaro "arch but with: an installer and delayed software release"
NathanielFondlehood.xsl - Tue, 11 Apr 2017 12:18:53 EST 7F/QA+Tm No.120893 Reply
This is bad, real bad.

Ubuntu tried with unity to provide a complete desktop experience with sensible default settings.
The global menu is a boon for anybody concerned about screen real-estate (13.3" laptops, etc...)
It has integration into things like cloud calendars, cloud storage, etc.
(some) touchpad & touchscreen gestures work right out of the box.
A consistent look and feel of applications that are part of the standard distribution (no ppas)
HiDPI scaling

If you want those features on for instance a Gnome desktop you can get them, but you basically have build your own configuration out of plugins and third party apps, which sucks balls.
FOSS software developers have a really questionable attitude when it comes to implementing default features and anything that works with proprietary systems. That was why Ubuntu/Unity was awesome, they didn't give a shit about the hypocritical "community" and just released stuff that works.
(ZFS on 16.04 is a another example, but unrelated)
GrahamDibblelene.mov - Wed, 12 Apr 2017 11:20:51 EST wWsLeNFi No.120897 Reply

Regardless of what else has happened, it's been nice with the Unity lovers coming out of the woodwork. Usually Linux people just talk about what they hate, not what they love.

At any rate, you should be fine. Gnome headerbars are just as space saving as global menu. We still don't know how Ubuntu will tweak gnome, but there's been global menu for gnome3 before, and it wouldn't take a lot for Canonical to do it again. Finally, if all else fails, the Unity devs haven't just dropped dead, they're committed to forking it.
WilliamHesslechark.icm - Sat, 21 Dec 2019 23:24:00 EST 1mlomhOh No.122672 Reply
Ubuntu works on my old Thinkpad

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