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- Tue, 23 Oct 2018 16:03:23 EST 4Ju/Hg7f No.122057
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Do you like working with old computers? I enjoy it. I installed Windows XP to this laptop pictured and I after figuring out how to disable the OOBE timer I am trying to get it up to somewhat usable speed. It is enjoyable for me and I do not know why.
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CedricGrandville.mod - Wed, 24 Oct 2018 01:01:43 EST brYbkPvO No.122058 Reply
Don't install Windows, friend. It's (((proprietary))) and spyware.
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Under Intact - Wed, 24 Oct 2018 01:48:38 EST 4Ju/Hg7f No.122059 Reply
>>122058
Thing about that is I got the laptop from a guy who runs a computer repair shop. He agreed to help me learn computers and he wanted me to install Windows XP and gave me a disc for it. So that is why I did it.
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BasilDrammlehall.svg - Wed, 24 Oct 2018 16:04:16 EST 5LKNeVQD No.122062 Reply
>>122059
Windows XP isn't like an old car where you're learn a lot from working on it. It's like an old nuclear reactor that is a danger to everything around it.
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HannahHossledock.xlt - Wed, 24 Oct 2018 23:21:47 EST CJzflsU8 No.122064 Reply
>>122059
Where are you from? If you live in a firstworld country he probably isn't that up to date about computers if he can only teach you computer stuff in XP.
That said it's only "nuclear reactor" type of danger if you connect it to the internet, if you run offline there's no possible harm really. But then again most fun stuff about computers happen when wired up.

Also... What do you mean with "learn computers"?
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Under Intact - Wed, 24 Oct 2018 23:44:12 EST 4Ju/Hg7f No.122065 Reply
>>122064
I live in the US. I am from a small town. What I meant is he wants to teach me about computer hardware and doing repair shop type servicing, he owns a repair shop.. He initially gave me Windows Vista to work with (yes, you may vomit profusely) but I left that laptop with him and he gave me Windows XP to work on right now. I know most of this stuff already. It is just fun to have a task.
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ErnestHondlehood.pm4 - Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:20:07 EST HjZnnfSB No.122066 Reply
>>122059
the reason why he did that is because with newer Windows (Vista, 7, 8, 10), everything is automated. Drivers are downloaded automatically and settings are hidden from you. The whole "apps" notion makes it even worse.

With XP you learn to install drivers, programs, and customize settings.

>>122062
it is a danger if you have no idea what you're doing. it takes a lot of work to get XP secure enough for casual use. will reply with a post on how to secure it next.
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ErnestHondlehood.pm4 - Sat, 27 Oct 2018 21:50:34 EST HjZnnfSB No.122067 Reply
you need at least network drivers for this
if you don't have SP3, install it. Don't know if you have it? Click Start, right-click my computer and see if it says "Service Pack 3"
if not, then google this phrase
ftp WindowsXP-KB936929-SP3-x86-ENU.exe
for example http://ftp.gnome.org/mirror/archive/ftp.sunet.se/pub/security/vendor/microsoft/winxp/Service_Packs/ is a hit
and download it (Microsoft doesn't host it anymore, but you'll find it on my ftp sites)
ENU is the ENglish Us version.
next get the windows installer 4.5. lastest version for XP
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8483
get the file named WindowsXP-KB942288-v3-x86.exe
next get internet explorer 8 for windows XP
http://download.microsoft.com/download/C/C/0/CC0BD555-33DD-411E-936B-73AC6F95AE11/IE8-WindowsXP-x86-ENU.exe
then windows media player 11 for XP
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/windows-media-player-details.aspx
then get DirectX 9.0c june 2010
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=8109
get windows update agent 3.0
https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=91237

After you got all that, run windows updates. Open Internet Explorer and go to
http://update.microsoft.com
You may have to click the yellow bar to make it up-to-date
When done it may reboot. Run it again
You should be up to date up till April 2015

now apply the WEPOS/POSReady patch so you can get updates until april 2019
Open notepad. paste this text:


Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\WPA\PosReady]
"Installed"=dword:00000001


when save. pick "file types": all (important, otherwise it saves as txt!). rename it patch.reg
double-click to apply
reboot. run windows updates again. you should have many new updates awaiting.
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ErnestHondlehood.pm4 - Sat, 27 Oct 2018 22:16:58 EST HjZnnfSB No.122068 Reply
after that you can start installing drivers
if OP pic is your laptop, then go on hp.com and search your model. then look for the drivers and download and install them.
how do you know if you have all drivers? run device manager and see if you have any yellow exclamation marks. Device manager is accessed by start, right-click my computer, properties, hardware tab, device manager.

finally software
get firefox 52.9 ESR. that's the last version. they won't update since september
https://archive.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/releases/52.9.0esr/win32/
you definitely want to install ublock origin on it to block ads (primary vector of malware)
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/
you'll need an archiver (7-zip or winrar), a pdf reader (your call, just don't get the one from adobe), and a media player (mpc-hc is great, vlc is also good). CD burner imgburn or infrarecorder. image browser is also your call (xnview, irfanview, etc)

security: disable plugins you don't use in firefox (windows media for example). minimize usage of flash if you can. if you don't need, don't even use it. disable file and printer sharing in your network protocols if you're not using them (aka you're not on a network with other computers). (control panel, classic view, network connections, right-click your adapter, properties, uncheck protocols not used). you can also disable netbios over tcp/ip in advanced tcp/ip settings, under WINS. if you want to disable dcom (and close port 135), use dcombobulator from steve gibson.

I presume you have enough good sense to not run executables from untrusted sources, but if you don't, then get antivirus.
or upload the file to virustotal.com before running it
(as practice, upload the files you downloaded earlier to check they're safe)

now to be "in tune" with what goes on in your system, you should look at task manager regularly (right-click taskbar, task manager). often look at processes and performance tabs. in the processes tab, go to the view and pick more columns to view (I recommend cpu time, i/o read bytes, and i/o write bytes). with all the columns visible, you can monitor CPU, RAM, and disk usage.
second, look at event viewer regularly. it's in your administrative tools. (control panels, classic view)
last, you may want two additional tools: tcpview (to monitor your internet connections) and process explorer (like task manager, but much more powerful)
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/tcpview
https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/sysinternals/downloads/process-explorer

there's tons of other fun tools to learn about you system like hwinfo32, cpu-z, gpu-z, hwmonitor, and many more.

happy learning, and stay safe.
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NicholasPabblehood.cat - Sat, 27 Oct 2018 23:37:04 EST /MTvAhYc No.122069 Reply
>>122064
>Where are you from? If you live in a firstworld country he probably isn't that up to
>date about computers if he can only teach you computer stuff in XP.

Nobody insinuated that, well except,, Seems very obvious that he was offered XP to work with. Nothing more. Right?
I bet your parents, or somebody bought you your expensive computer stuffs. Hence the arrogance.
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NicholasPabblehood.cat - Sun, 28 Oct 2018 00:52:08 EST /MTvAhYc No.122070 Reply
>>122065
It's all good. Sure, why not run XP. Older computers. Make them work well or perfectly, for what they were at the time. Best versions of software, etc. All the info is out there, older programs are easy.

I run older stuff.
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NicholasPabblehood.cat - Sun, 28 Oct 2018 00:56:02 EST /MTvAhYc No.122071 Reply
>>122070
I meant older programs, specific versions are easy to find. Drivers, but XP took care of most drivers needed as well software developers had that covered mid way through XP's suppport by MS for most hardware, computers.
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Under Intact - Mon, 29 Oct 2018 11:26:54 EST 4Ju/Hg7f No.122076 Reply
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>>122067
Dude, thank you for that reply. You gave me alot of help with those links.
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ReubenGillerson.ram - Mon, 29 Oct 2018 15:34:06 EST CJzflsU8 No.122077 Reply
>>122069
> parents bought expensive computer stuffs
I've paid for my stuffs myself and I don't have any expensive stuff, only ever bought one PC new and that was a home build. You seem to imply that you need an expensive system to run anything else than obsolete (as in no longer recieving security updates and a risk to use) operating systems, which you don't. Last PC I bought was an old office machine for about $40 and that came with a windows 7 key.
And even if you have to use something older than that you can still work around it. I had to use my oldest 533MHz machine a while cause my main machine broke and I had no budget to replace it, installed slackware on it and was good to go, albeit a tad slow for net stuff.

>>122066
Yeah you get closer to the machine and have more control, but I reacted cause if you're gonna start learning why not learn the ways on a modern system from the start? You won't come across people with XP to fix in the wild, and if you do they should be told that it doesn't recieve security updates anymore. If you learn on XP, you learn the XP way of handling things.
Not that it matters as in >>122065 OP tells it's kinda just for fun, but if he was learning to actually fix things for people later it'd make more sense to actually use the platforms people actually use.
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Under Intact - Mon, 29 Oct 2018 16:42:02 EST 4Ju/Hg7f No.122078 Reply
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>>122077
You will also run into old hardware when people want to get rid of them. The person I am doing things for also gets old hardware given to him. He either does something with them or throws them out. Or gives them to me when I want them.
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ThomasBuzzway.cur - Thu, 01 Nov 2018 11:00:24 EST Dm8NiL21 No.122083 Reply
>>122076
Except even service pack 3 is vulnerable and has not received any security updates since 2014 with the exception of a few large scale attacks like WannaCry... 2014 is a LONG time ago in the world of security, and these updates only patch vulnerabilities. They don't add any of the modern security features that protect newer OS. And if you didn't install SP3 immediately(and probably offline as well) you've been open to kindergarten level hacks this entire time. If you have hosted a server or torrented or did pretty much anything other than going on facebook there's a chance somebody at least tried to hack you already, and without the service pack and using default local security/services/firewall settings it would be very trivial to do. The chances of you getting probed already is probably low but it's only a matter of time. Every server/peer on the internet gets scanned for vulnerabilities at some point and XP makes you a hot target

Assuming you can even protect the OS itself you're still likely to run into tons of outdated software and drivers that contain old unfixed vulnerabilities just to do the things you want.
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Under Intact - Fri, 02 Nov 2018 00:27:15 EST 4Ju/Hg7f No.122085 Reply
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>>122083
That is good to know. But this is just an assignment for me to complete. I probably wouldn't host an Unreal Tournament server with this thing. lol
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JennyNommersteg.lit - Fri, 02 Nov 2018 02:15:28 EST 6zZQKoP5 No.122086 Reply
>>122083
The pos hack means little to the XP user-end. Though governments and others had paid $$$ for extended support aside from POS. A lot of corporations did not update o save money, like home depot etc, and failed.

People do actually use XP of a different variety than end users, usually, but these are generally not connected to the internet.

Hobbyists may scan for XP computers and mess around. Most stuff though are
infected computers that try to infect other xp computers. Whether that have somebody actively controlling these or not? Some may be keen enough to know what to look for with infected bots, networks, if-you-will to jump in and exploit the already ongoing infections.

WinME, the day of end-of-support they announced that the kernel could not be patched. Unless they started from scratch. I have seen that. Win2000 pro of course, was seemingly secure the while.

I agree, XP, succeeding updates with SP-2 would make it unstable. They didn't know what direction they were going at times. People getting freexp, securing it for the bottom line as opposed to securing it for security sake. As well, people didn't know simple security basics. Porn sites, download porndialer.avi.exe. So a a short media clip is 94kb. Making phomne calls for people. As well, even being safe, understanding what is what, still vulnerable just as well. 64 bit XP is interesting. Shore lived when it arrived. Likely surest bet for a secure XP
system.

SP-3, XP was still basically was all along. I went to linux off and on, when XP was stable to what I thought, I would hop back to it when linux distrubutions became
a bit too much actual 'hacking' and stuff to make simple like printers print. Fun
if they worked. Kinda would be trvial to go back today and do most of these tasks
I imagine with some hardware, computers.
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Under intact - Sat, 03 Nov 2018 02:28:39 EST ljwp9ZSX No.122087 Reply
>>122086
That was actually interesting to read and very true. Though I wonder what hobbyists do with Windows XP that is offline stuff (other than playing old games). Although my question to you is are most viruses today just trojan horses and malware? I have not encountered a virus in years that was PC destroying. If I am not using Windows XP to store any personal information what am I in danger for bringing Windows XP online to just fuck about and do stupid shit with it?
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HenrySettingdock.jar - Sat, 01 Dec 2018 10:46:56 EST sQAZrwLx No.122145 Reply
I'm old so "old computers" to me is like 486s with DOS and Windows 95 and shit. I still have a couple of those and they are fun to tinker with sometimes. But my XP-era computers all ended up being thrown into the garbage in fits of rage.
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HenrySettingdock.jar - Sat, 01 Dec 2018 10:47:52 EST sQAZrwLx No.122146 Reply
>>122087
>Though I wonder what hobbyists do with Windows XP that is offline stuff (other than playing old games)

Listen to Like Humans Do by David Byrne.
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PhineasBellybury.xsl - Sat, 01 Dec 2018 12:10:58 EST jnObabrN No.122147 Reply
>>122067
>>122068
>>122083
>>122086
this was very educative. what about "old" (5 and older) linux systems on old machines, how vulnerable are they? it's a common saying that linux and macs are free of viruses, it's not that they're unhackable, it's just no one bothers that much as they do with binbows, my opinion at least.
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SamuelDrullerwater.msg - Sat, 01 Dec 2018 14:52:17 EST umQbKBO0 No.122149 Reply
>>122147
Most botnet machines are hacked Linux devices that nobody bothered to update. And why would you want to run an old OS? If performance is an issue just install a light weight distribution. If it was made in the last 20 years, you have a lot of options.
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AugustusFurryworth.xml - Wed, 05 Dec 2018 09:52:10 EST qP8QZ7TO No.122160 Reply
>>122149
>And why would you want to run an old OS?
i have an old pc that's in great condition, also sentimental value. i will never have a windows again and macs are out of question so i'm left with linux. or bsd, haiku and other niche oss no one's heard of.
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ShitBleddlechat.pm - Fri, 07 Dec 2018 17:42:18 EST zJIm5XuI No.122162 Reply
>>122160
Interesting haiku, there are many distributions that are worthy of the effort people
put into these. However, keeping repos updated, people kinda can do things themselves. As well, compiling, One could use a very outdated system.
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ShitBleddlechat.pm - Fri, 07 Dec 2018 17:45:15 EST zJIm5XuI No.122163 Reply
>>122162
Open source, one could take a program, and hack it, as they like. But nor $$ or to exploit other systems.

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