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virtually any topic, I will tell you as close to the truth as you'll get

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- Thu, 07 Mar 2019 23:00:00 EST RTvjw7BH No.89507
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So since I don't want to keep shitting up /b/ with it ask me about virtually any conspiracy topic and I can answer it, in depth. No, I will not be responding to dumb shitposting. Government conspiracies, cults, corruption whatever. For starters, the most likely scenario is the CIA and certain Joint Chiefs of staff had their third party mafia contacts/assets perform the hit on Kennedy, and then had Oswald set up as the fall guy then took out Oswald to bury the evidence while Jack Ruby was a true og maintained omerta to the end. This was in retaliation for JFK's handling of Cuba and being a Catholic who wanted to shatter the CIA and was generally opposed to secret societies so they deemed him a national security threat instead.
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Thomas Darthall - Fri, 08 Mar 2019 03:16:26 EST cGDoe11X No.89509 Reply
>>89507
How many kicks to the center of a tootsie pop?
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Jenny Blathershit - Mon, 11 Mar 2019 03:31:06 EST Tp3HTZoj No.89531 Reply
>CIA and certain Joint Chiefs of staff had their third party mafia contacts/assets perform the hit on Kennedy
What kind of organized crime could get away with a thing like that?
Who has the organizational structure and government contacts?
Corrupt cops would need to be in on it but it seems bigger than that..
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Priscilla Murddock - Thu, 14 Mar 2019 18:13:24 EST zn74kWOi No.89571 Reply
>>89531
>What kind of organized crime could get away with a thing like that?
The sicilians mafia
>Who has the organizational structure and government contacts?
The sicilian mafia
> rrupt cops would need to be in on it but
Not really. The CIA likes plausible deniability a whole hell of a lot so they always try to make sure somebody else is the fall guy in case they get caught so it doesn't trace back to them. It is never "CIA asset" but something like "Nicaraguan nationalist" or something or, at best, some random American if it absolutely cannot be avoided having it trace back to USA.

The mob ties go back to WWII back when the the CIA was still OSS and the mafia were basically being backed as a partisan group against fascist Italy. http://www.thehistoryreader.com/modern-history/lucky-luciano-wwiis-operation-husky/ this is partly why it took so long to take the mob down because they were actually protected from the top for awhile, especially since they also ended up being anti Communist. It also looks a lot better to try and implicate the mob than the US government but yeah the directive itself didnt come from them. There's a reason why all the rest was cremated bodies and gag orders for national security or some such bullshit. The CIA operates like that to this very day, contracting out and working with or outright founding terrorists, drug dealers, organized crime and so on. Hence certain South American cartel members report directly to the CIA which is an open secret.
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Matilda Puvinghood - Thu, 14 Mar 2019 19:16:34 EST 1/9dN0og No.89572 Reply
What is the freakiest thing inside the Pentagon?
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Polly Drockletudge - Fri, 15 Mar 2019 18:18:37 EST RTvjw7BH No.89595 Reply
>>89572
Funding papers and tax receipts, a trillion dollars of which mysteriously disappeared on 9/11
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Isabella Drenderridge - Wed, 20 Mar 2019 21:22:54 EST ApnQTtsK No.89660 Reply
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>>89595
This actually is a real thing btw
https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/latest-news/543812/september-11-9-11-twin-towers-missing-udget-cover-up-conspiracy-theory-deep-space
Rumsfeld openly admits in testimony that they "lost" 2.3 TRILLION dollars
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aljgYENg--Y
As for the claim at the end for what happened to it I kind of smell massive b.s. there. I WISH they were actually blowing $2.3 trillion on deep space missions because if I were in charge of anything that would be a key component of my end game: making the deserts of barren worlds bloom across the stars. Instead I'm quite certain that a lot of that shit was just corruption and graft, and possibly false flags, waste, and/or Bluebeam.
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Beatrice Murringtudge - Thu, 21 Mar 2019 03:35:55 EST WJUetTNx No.89664 Reply
>>89507
What is the hardest truth that most people wouldn't want to hear in your opinion?
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Isabella Drenderridge - Thu, 21 Mar 2019 04:00:30 EST ApnQTtsK No.89665 Reply
>>89664
Hmmm. I'll have to think about that one.
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Edwin Blytheridge - Thu, 21 Mar 2019 09:25:19 EST C5gbo9FN No.89669 Reply
What do you know about NSA teleprescence surveillance.

Do you know anything about the electrode helmets and the bowl panopticon?
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John Dresslekone - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 01:29:59 EST WJUetTNx No.89677 Reply
>>89676
Why do you feel that people are powerless and insignificant?
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Matilda Honnerhood - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 08:20:24 EST AEj4pdPX No.89683 Reply
>>89507
Fellow gentlemen ot the internet, while death threats on any medium are as old as time itselt, I implore that you find the restraint to convey your quite spirited distaste in a more constructive manner. For instance, if you think someone in power is out to dupe you for their own financial gain, wonder to yourself if perhaps a threat against their life is the appropriate statement to stamp on a public forum, given that such threats have led to pesky legal consequences all too many times in the past.

May I suggest instead that you threaten to eat a popsicle like some country tart in heat and then send them the picture? Think with your minds, my boys, not your red hot blood. Feast not on fear, lest it be the fear of your own boy as he wonders if you are bouncing too hard upon his extremity and that it may snap at any moment, but may your aim remain true thus upon the moment of mutual climax you can whisper into his ear: "Ajit Pai looks like he can inflate the bottom part of his head to gain buoyancy".
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Bruno - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:38:02 EST nmIYTpeg No.89691 Reply
>>89677
I'm talking about surveillance that is nigh-magical.
I can tell your security clearance is kinda low
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John Dresslekone - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:28:34 EST WJUetTNx No.89697 Reply
>>89682
Thanks for responding with so many words and thoughts. Now I am very glad that I asked that question the other night :)
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Michael - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 20:09:29 EST nmIYTpeg No.89698 Reply
>>89693>>89693
no i mean with machines and electrodes
false telepathy and shit, brain decoding. long distance surveillance
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Betsy Surringstune - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:02:01 EST c/Jg08/R No.89703 Reply
>>89701
They're both up right now, calm down
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Edwin Neblingfoot - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 16:46:33 EST K4kjRE60 No.89704 Reply
>>89507
Where do you source your information from, OP?
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Betsy Surringstune - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 17:42:32 EST c/Jg08/R No.89707 Reply
>>89705
Take the tampon out your ass, it was a joke dude. You don't have to lash out all the time man.
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Matilda Meshwodge - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 07:44:32 EST K4kjRE60 No.89711 Reply
>>89507
What's your favorite (most interesting to you) conspiracy, OP and why?
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Cedric Dabblecocke - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 04:39:04 EST K4kjRE60 No.89719 Reply
>>89715
I could buy that the Illuminati are a religious cult, but what makes you think that they are specifically satanic in nature?
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Ernest Bunlock - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 04:01:23 EST K4kjRE60 No.89741 Reply
>>89722
Hmmmm, okay, so they're more "of Luciferian origin" than actually Satanists. I see, that makes more sense to me now :)
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Archie Crunkintadging - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:22:01 EST K4kjRE60 No.89747 Reply
>>89746
Do you have any good resources to check out to learn more about this subject? I honestly don't know much about the mystic backgrounds of these groups or their cultures.
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Beatrice Mallerridge - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:24:08 EST L/ue6Tjr No.89750 Reply
>>89746
How retarded can you be? Satan is a jewish god. Lucifer is Apollo and Shiva.
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Ian Duckledid - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 17:27:44 EST CgKwPSnD No.89765 Reply
Kurt cobain killed by courtney love?
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Emma Pannernit - Wed, 03 Apr 2019 00:42:26 EST L/ue6Tjr No.89776 Reply
>>89769
>jewish satan
>thinking jewish satan is Lucifer and lucibella
>not knowing any actual history from outside muh bible
You are an idiot.
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Polly Sezzlelodge - Wed, 03 Apr 2019 04:56:40 EST OfV7g7vL No.89777 Reply
>>89776
>You are an idiot
Pot meet kettle
https://tinyurl.com/y9z3fe4
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Wesley Mumblemetch - Wed, 03 Apr 2019 04:58:46 EST NUZBvmJq No.89778 Reply
>>89776
>lucibella
The fuck? and yeah you're an idiot dude. I am talking about the whole path and the current from which many of these groups originated and all of whom still practice, including the teenie Wiccans which was an idea for mainstreaming themselves to young children and making it look "hip" while in the background it was still basically the OTO and the faggotry of Crowley and his Thelema, which is of the same token as Scientology and Ashtar Command and all of these faggy New Age cults among many other groups.
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Emma Pannernit - Wed, 03 Apr 2019 11:05:57 EST L/ue6Tjr No.89779 Reply
>>89777
Heheh, if you only new what the kettke does with his pot behind closed doors, you woipuldn't be saying this.
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Emma Dromblesot - Wed, 03 Apr 2019 22:13:12 EST 9bmRVQ1R No.89783 Reply
>>89782
>quadruple triforce

Someone's getting slapped with a lawsuit, ninty don't fuck around! Yagnomesaiyan mahbruddah?
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Phoebe Sunningpere - Thu, 04 Apr 2019 21:45:31 EST K4kjRE60 No.89802 Reply
>>89782
Do you think that they're successful in raising the dead?
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Cornelius Sazzlewig - Fri, 05 Apr 2019 03:15:43 EST SM7xz969 No.89806 Reply
>>89803
Youneed
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Cornelius Sazzlewig - Fri, 05 Apr 2019 03:16:22 EST SM7xz969 No.89807 Reply
>>89803
You need a better hobby
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Eliza Suvingham - Fri, 05 Apr 2019 16:30:17 EST GK9J5zR+ No.89811 Reply
>>89809
well fuck man instead of just insulting me why don't you help your fellow man out here and educate me on what actually is funny so I can laugh at stuff with you
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Hedda Wirringwater - Sun, 07 Apr 2019 06:37:16 EST K4kjRE60 No.89826 Reply
>>89803
That's pretty interesting. I like reading about magic and the occult as well, and I immediately recognized the magic square on the back of that Jupiter Talisman (which of course many religions consider magical). I can't read the language that it's written in, so I don't know what specifically that magic square was intended to do exactly but it's interesting that the founder of the Mormon church was into that stuff.
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Isabella Dagglenot - Tue, 09 Apr 2019 11:51:07 EST ydgbcwdc No.89840 Reply
Sigh. I'll bite. Was Jack Parsons murdered?
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Clara Billingshaw - Wed, 10 Apr 2019 02:35:41 EST AEj4pdPX No.89843 Reply
>>89836
You cheated not only the game, but yourself.

You didn't grow.
You didn't improve.
You took a shortcut and gained nothing.

You experienced a hollow victory.
Nothing was risked and nothing was gained.

It's sad that you don't know the difference.
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Nathaniel Fidgebadging - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 18:53:55 EST 6mY1b9bE No.89883 Reply
>>89879
>wut is google
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Wesley Dicklemeck - Wed, 17 Apr 2019 06:22:22 EST 6mY1b9bE No.89887 Reply
>>89884
The nsa isn't checking your search history faggot, you're not important enough.
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Isabella Bicklefitch - Tue, 23 Apr 2019 13:17:03 EST qIUWgRYT No.89975 Reply
>>89904
He raped his kid and went insane and killed his wife. Concussions may do that and likely have.
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Nicholas Clayville - Wed, 24 Apr 2019 02:10:45 EST K4kjRE60 No.89984 Reply
Wait, who deleted the smart person's responses to this post? :o
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Angus Duckgold - Wed, 24 Apr 2019 13:33:08 EST AEj4pdPX No.89992 Reply
>>89975
Then why did Vince make him do the diving headbutt so much if he knew the consequences? Vince wanted Chris gone and that's the end of it
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Lydia Posslebot - Sun, 28 Apr 2019 17:04:51 EST j7lsX1i1 No.90017 Reply
>>89984
Oh ffs drworm nuked a bunch of my posts and left a ton of the actual spam ones on here
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Lydia Posslebot - Sun, 28 Apr 2019 18:17:17 EST j7lsX1i1 No.90019 Reply
>>89507
I was wondering why 5G was getting rolled out and hyped
https://www.newyorker.com/news/annals-of-communications/the-terrifying-potential-of-the-5g-network

Also a friendly reminder that under the Patriot Act bullshit part of the reason they phased out analog was to free up the bandwith for emergency/military purposes, among other reasons.

The worst part is apparently most mainstream fucking retards have been embracing this "internet of things" idea which is fucking retarded because why in the fuck would you need your fridge hooked to the internet to begin with? Why the fuck would you even cede that privacy in your own home for what possible tradeoff?

Quite frankly I hope everyone gets poltergeists from embracing it and that the public are terrorized until they realize it was not a good idea to hook everything to the internet.
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Nathaniel Broblingmick - Sun, 28 Apr 2019 20:23:59 EST z5HND5qe No.90020 Reply
>>89507
What do you know about Human Trafficking?
Especially pertaining to the Saudis,Mexicans, and Chinese.
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Cyril Bapperfoot - Mon, 29 Apr 2019 09:16:29 EST BQ8GA53F No.90022 Reply
>>90019
Yeah it's retarded and 5G is basically human weapons testing. It's no secret that 3G and 4G are hazardous to your health. The navy concluded as much 50 years ago.
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Betsy Billerfuck - Mon, 29 Apr 2019 20:14:08 EST q50jq5+l No.90027 Reply
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>>89780
>>89802
The LDS church is a powerful, wealthy and elite centralized institution with a stated goal of world domination. It intends to accomplish this through mass conversions of the world's poor combined with a policy of open borders and transnationalism. In particular, immigration from Muslim and Latin American countries.

To achieve this they have infiltrated the American intelligence services and conservative moment in order to undermine Protestant nationalist efforts that would interfere with global free movement of people and capital. This can be observed through the FBI/CIA efforts to undermine the current president, the rejection of him in Utah during the election, and previous candidate Mitt Romney's intentionally slow-rolling his campaign against Obama. All of this is an effort to keep strong Protestantism and nationalism in check so as not to interfere with the greater plan of global control.

This will allow the Church of LDS to become exponentially wealthy while destroying the Protestant Western hegemony that currently keeps it in check.

Keep an eye out for further developments.
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Fuck Bunfuck - Tue, 30 Apr 2019 00:44:37 EST uuyOEpc+ No.90032 Reply
>>90027
I read to the word Mormon in post and I mad you insult my family that saved my village from shit
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Jenny Cliffingbury - Thu, 02 May 2019 19:14:39 EST j7lsX1i1 No.90077 Reply
>>90027
So I've been watching the expanse and I'm halfway through season 1 and it got me thinking about the Mormons again and why they keep figuring so prominently in shit like this and in Galactica and real life espionage, and it got me thinking and concluding that partly the LDS is actually favored because it's operated as a sort of corporate secret society based loosely around Masonry which acts as a very secure front for embedding intelligence operatives in foreign theatres of operation posing as "Mormon missionaries." This could actually be a more convenient front than just using say diplomats or journalists as HUMINT.
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Nathaniel Smallgold - Fri, 03 May 2019 01:31:20 EST j7lsX1i1 No.90078 Reply
>>89750
>>89747
>>89741
>>89719
>>89703
>>89697
oh holy fuck goddamnit drworm you nuked some very good posts. Well I can post that again if you want because for some reason I saved it on a text file. Or I can eventually post it elsewhere like on a blog.
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Frederick Povingbanks - Fri, 03 May 2019 02:37:26 EST TPb4JrHl No.90081 Reply
Those sandwich bags don't seem to keep food as fresh as they used to do.
I think food companies want food to go bad quicker so we buy more.
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Hugh Hommerwuck - Fri, 03 May 2019 09:38:32 EST G/9qu6SX No.90082 Reply
>>90078
But you're wrong on several fundamental levels, you need to rethink your paradigm
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Hugh Hommerwuck - Fri, 03 May 2019 09:39:40 EST G/9qu6SX No.90083 Reply
>>90081
Don't sugar coat your fatness because you'll eat that to
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Phineas Dimblewell - Sat, 04 May 2019 11:40:52 EST T0aB1Bul No.90088 Reply
>>90078
yes please do, it seems I came too late to this thread and missed all the good stuff
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Fanny Bunbury - Mon, 06 May 2019 19:24:29 EST j7lsX1i1 No.90110 Reply
I was thinking about just posting it on some blog or some shit but oh well whatever I'll repost it here, but man am I sad to realize now the extent to which drworm's misguided nuking wiped all sorts of my posts including on Mormonism for example.
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>>89677
I don't actually. Quite the opposite in fact. You misunderstand, what I meant by that is that firstly you are such an infinitismally small speck in reality it is an absurdity, and that in large part people adhere to certain faiths for a sense of significance and the static image, or stability or whatsitcalled. This is also one thing I learned I have vastly underestimated about religion and religious people, namely, that they fly in terror away from the divine revelations and towards the comforting darkness.

What people don't actually want is firstly change, and secondly the unknown which is why they fear change, and any unfamiliarity. I have learned better now that regardless of my certain sympathies most religious people are fundamentally different to myself because they are not actually seekers or mystics but quite the opposite, and as such have no interest in their religion whatsoever nor exploring the sublime beauty of God's sacred plan. This is in fact the real reason behind why fundies deny evolution, because they don't give a shit about what the Bible means, only that it gives them a sense of permanence.

I'll tell you about this one baffling encounter I had, where I encountered people asking in all seriousness what they will look like in Heaven and if they will have earrings there or the hole will grow back, and if as an amputee their leg will grow back, or what age they will be in Heaven whether they shall be as old people or have young bodies. These are the manner of questions of a person fundamentally disinterested in change, as well as truth, as well utimately in God. The fashion wooden idols out of ink and pulp and worship them instead without bothering to seek wisdom or understanding in any words therein. They say they are the faithful, and claim to be humble before the unknowable greatness of a true God, but their minds are full of their own ego, their heart swollen with pride, and with eyes shut they go astray.

Any man who even thinks to ask about his body in an afterlife has no concern with God and with himself, that is to say, his ego, and his ego thus rules over him rather than communion with the Godhead. Likewise, a man who thinks to consider a violent act against the children of the Monad with expectations of sex with virgins is more corrupt and surely led to perdition than others. And God would say, I have not *known* you.

Likewise the second part of the equation, which is that a man does not want to face his own actions and the truth of himself, nor of his own great significance in the course of his life, and it is said that in the final accounting God would hold you to account for every jot and tittle and thought word. This again is the total opposite of what the average person, particularly the average fundamentalist, wants.
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Fanny Bunbury - Mon, 06 May 2019 19:25:03 EST j7lsX1i1 No.90111 Reply
By awareness of significance I mean an actual self awareness, which is so painful, and such a frightening thing, that most people simply flee into the embrace of a discarded lover or the stupor of a bottle than face themselves and their lives. To face one's significance means to face one's culpability, and to acknowledge responsibility for the actions, as well as the impact of their lives and fleeting existence across reality--not from their own view, but from the 360° total view as seen also by all others. This means that for example the Jihadist must face himself in the mirror, and in solemn heart and sober face simply speak the truth of himself to himself. Such a thing is so difficult for some if not possibly all people that many would quite literally rather strap on a bomb vest or OD from shooting fentanyl and coke than to face it.

Think on precisely how easy it was for say the Nazis to simply abrogate their own significance in the scheme of things and to pass on that responsibility to their superiors, to write down the name, tattoo the arm, and pull the trigger, all while dismissing their own actions, or to off handedly say it would happen anyway. Think of the type of person who, upon being a veterinarian, or a pre-med student, or a scientist, forces unspeakable torture on cute fluffy animals over, and over. And over. And over. And they tell themselves all the while, that it would happen anyway, I can change nothing, at least I am the one who was there and made sure they didn't suffer more. They tell themselves this even as they are quite literally enacting a cosmic horror story on countless suffering beings. Think on how many people you have known who behave in this manner, who have wronged others and even themselves, and to have dismissed it out of hand with some thought terminating cliche like "it is what it is."

They do this because the last thing most want to do is shriek back in horror at themselves that it was wrong, they could have stopped it, they could have done more, and yet did nothing. The complete lack of responsibility or acknowledgment is a beautiful thing, to some. Go on this very site and watch how many people will simply shrug their shoulders with some banal "shit sucks, but what can you do" statement, to not rock the boat, to not acknowledge themselves as thinking, creating, enacting beings who impact reality every moment they breathe. This too is the final horror.

When you couple this with the ultimately vast insignificance of the dim scope of even our minute awareness, the brightest and best minds seeing through a glass darkly, at best capturing a tiny degree angle of the night sky and surmising somewhere out there may be another body of many times greater mass than our own, drifting in the seemingly empty void of nothing, then it becomes clearer. You realize that you cannot even directly perceive the vast majority of information swirling about you at any moment, cannot even grasp at the greater electromagnetic spectrum, and with dim understanding, stumbling blindly, careen through the void on a rock that has existed for billions of years, that has known you so fleetingly as though you were never there, neither before, nor since, and yet it is in that moment that you also realize while the whole planet will simply cease to be in time and all record of your passage here that you also initiate ripples with each step and chain reactions with each errant thought and movement. You do not perceive this, partly out of fundamental human blindness, and partly out of fear.

To perceive your own significance actually means to weigh in consideration the ramifications of each callous word and deed you normally would do without a second thought and with no memory of having done so, like swatting a fly. In so doing for all you know you may have permanently altered the course of their evolution, setting in motion a wholly different timeline where its offspring never reproduced and mutated, where its later offspring never spread a disease to that one man whose art would inspire a tyrant whose war subsequently brought his empire to ruin, and where later on a whole new species that becomes the food of an intelligent beetle as livestock never happened because that entire evolutionary line was ended. And meanwhile you could spare the fly, it will reproduce, whose descendants will annoy the man and interrupt the meal that alters the course of that relationship. You have in your significance just set the course for that whole reality, and with one doorway opened the others have closed. You made this history altering move in 1.5 seconds.
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Fanny Bunbury - Mon, 06 May 2019 19:25:28 EST j7lsX1i1 No.90112 Reply
At an even dimmer view, you do not think even remotely (or perhaps you do) as to whether your discarded trash will ensnare and suffocate a songbird, the 17 year old Mexican whose head was cut off with a chainsaw to get you your cocaine, the unimaginable depths of suffering and horror a cow felt in becoming the burger, all whose fates were impacted by your desires and by your will. Likewise when a good thing happens, that your momentary act of thoughtless banal kindness saves you the time to look back just in time to realize you left your phone on the car's roof, and so have that extra money to get your kid something nice instead of a new phone, and that child's joy in say a toy becomes a sunny disposition that subtly betters the lives of others or a toy whose enjoyment he shares with another perhaps striking a life altering friendship with a neighborhood boy. Or perhaps you decided to get him that kitchen chemistry kit instead. Perhaps he grows up to become an electrical engineer as an indirect result, or an artist. Or maybe he builds a meth lab.

Some things are fundamentally unknowable, uncontrollable, beyond intent or perception. Yet you act.

When this fundamental fact of reality is shackled to the awareness that our galaxy alone has estimates of a billion stars, that don't even know what our home galaxy looks like or that it's going to be impacted by another galaxy shortly (by geologic timescales), then suddenly your own significance takes on a newer urgency. Even if it will all amount to nothing in the end, you can personally change the course of history if you so choose, and in fact unwittingly do so on a routine basis. When you understand just how far out of your control most things are, then the awareness of the massive impact of your own existence suddenly becomes more extraordinary, and thus also more frightening. It is not frightening just because of the fuck ups and all the awful things you did, but because of the monumental good you didn't do. It is an awareness of all that is good that you could do, and do not, have not, possibly will not ever even despite it being within your grasp. It is the awareness that if you put just the slightest effort to be kinder, the world would change. Maybe not now, maybe not ever or at least not in a perceptible sense, but it does, and that moment and the dim understanding is all you have.

So yes, THAT is the fundamental truth that I believe people fear the most. I think that much is made particularly by stereotypical circlejerk fedora types of our near nothingness in the universe and vast insignificance, with no care for the fact of our actual significance as well. It is a flowing of time, and space, and what is called reality, and something which truly horrifies fedoras and religious fundies alike with equal terror and verve. It is the reason why religious fanatics refuse to believe both in evolution as well as climate change. They don't disbelieve climate change because it is disputed anywhere in the Bible (it isn't) but because it implies a certain rate of change, of impermanence, of unpredictability and the unfamiliarity reflected above in their disquieted minds as it does below in material reality.

Likewise their supposed counterparts who like to claim that "everything's just random" and who disbelieve in conspiracy theories while trumpeting our insignificance do so for the same reason of garbing themselves in comforting ignorance as a dogma, and whose use of the vastness of the cosmos is merely a reflection of their terror of the unknowable and unstable, who merely substituted it when they reach out to grasp at the concrete and dust slips away. They hate the very idea of conspiracies precisely because it throws out of order their own internal reality, and the idea that the world is still fundamentally knowable, who like the fundie just want a sense of solidity on shifting sands. They want to believe--have to, perhaps--that the newscaster tells the truth, the politicians bicker, and that things are as they appear.
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Fanny Bunbury - Mon, 06 May 2019 19:25:56 EST j7lsX1i1 No.90113 Reply
I think that is the key here--that things are as they appear, and will stay that way. It is ironically the very same sentiment as I would say unites the super religious science denier with the mysticism denying self proclaimed "skeptic" and by skeptic often doesn't mean rational inquiry but rather taking their own biases and assumptions at unchallenged face value. It is the realm of the landfill that is called ideologies, each seeking to impose one's own insignificance on the universe alongside a false image that is solid, static, predictable, unchanging, and ultimately spiritually dead and must resort to anti-intellectualism.

>>89677
tl;dr yes, the fact people are not powerless, are not insignificant, and yet are not static images but like flowing rivers.

I know you didn't ask for an essay but it was an extremely interesting question and I thought long and hard about this, but still have this vague unshakeable feeling I didn't quite get at it.

There is I think a fundamental flaw in Western thinking which seeks to truncate events, to dissect reality into constituent pieces losing site of the forest as well as the trees while looking at a leaf. It's a complete lack of understanding in the interrelatedness of all things, and its impermanence. Or to say it better, the truth is a Buddhist monk who spends months grinding down and preparing colorful powders, devoting himself fully and wholly to creating intricate, beautiful, meaningful works of art of art.
Then he blows the mandala away.

This is wisdom. And it is that which imho all the great sages, monks and mystics have known all along, and the sayings of the prophets and the black blood of the ink of Alexandria. It is a fundamental understanding of reality that is at once a bit freeing but altogether more horrifying, particularly when you can clearly trace the ramifications of your own actions and impact your life had on reality. To have never mattered to anything is a sweet nothingness we imagine and a privileged we've never *known* in life on Earth.

I personally believe that this is a certain awareness or understanding that people don't necessarily fundamentally lack so much as they fear it. Think about the words "for ever and ever." Their very idea of Heaven or Hell itself is a static thing. Perpetual, unchanging, knowable, graspable, understandable. Solid. There is actually in a sense, I think, a far more fundamental horror to a statement like "a billion or possibly several billion years in Hell" or "Heaven lasts for 500 million up to two billion years." I think that it is this understanding or lack thereof that leads people into the arms of strongmen and tyrants, not even because they promise safety, or glory, or riches, but simply because they represent permanence. And in a sense, there is nothing more permanent, as well as impermanent, in a person's life than a parent, or a sibling, and as reflected likewise in God, and emulated or manipulated by rulers good and bad.

I think that it is a fundamental understanding which is also understood and accepted to a degree by occultists, intelligence agents, the philosophers and the mystics. It is the keystone acknowledged by the magicians. It is for that fundamental reason that people also tend to disbelieve in conspiracies, or to believe only in that which fulfills their own biases in static, unchanging ways. People actually like to talk about the end of the world; they don't ever mention what happens after that story ends.
And they certainly don't ask or imagine that the story itself can change.

These are the things one has to acknowledge or not in even detecting a conspiracy, I think, because it firstly has to acknowledge the full degree to which you are a speck of nothing wholly at the mercy of unknowable and perhaps shifting forces, as well as it being made implicit that you can change the present and the future. And that is a frightening thing and a terrible revelation to most people. It is why utopian dreamers are led astray and the plans of the schemers fail, just as well as the magician may set his will in motion to terrible effect and the intelligence operative can be wildly successful in a horrible turn of events, and that your lose lips could sink a ship or that sinking a ship could save many more. It is a decision to drop an atom bomb, and the scent of Alfred Nobel's regret. I have thought about this, and I think that yes, that is the truth that people wouldn't want to hear the most.
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Cornelius Lightstock - Tue, 07 May 2019 16:00:02 EST THW5+vmu No.90125 Reply
>>90113
99% of tinfoil is only on here long enough to take a shit, so unless someone has Kentucky Fried Revenge good luck getting anyone to read that wall of text
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Eliza Smallforth - Wed, 08 May 2019 17:59:25 EST K4kjRE60 No.90127 Reply
>>90110
Thanks for bringing back these posts.

RIP indiscriminate nuking :(
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Frederick Hecklehot - Wed, 08 May 2019 22:14:55 EST j7lsX1i1 No.90128 Reply
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>>90125
That is the old /tinfoil/, which was the new /tinfoil/ until /woo/ poltards and whoever the fuck those shitposters were destroyed it over the last couple of years. Welcome to the new and restored /tinfoil/.

>>90127
It was so long I had saved it and debated posting it elsewhere and just leaving it dead to the ruins of 404 but someone wanted it back so I decided to post it back here, and therein lay the problem: hardware is replaceable; the wetware isn't. Like I can always just regenerate shit that has been deleted and we see now the fragility of the digital age's informational ecosphere, or infosphere if you like. It is a delicate, incredibly fragile thing that can easily be destroyed and strewn about with broken links and 404'd entries, or sometimes worse but more commonly, buried beneath the rubble of a million shitposts and Viagra and penis enhancement adds. This aspect simply cannot be defeated by copypasta alone and therefore it remains within the realm of Man to perpetuate knowledge and to write it the fuck down on a piece of paper, rather than taking the supreme risk of filing it away on some soon-to-fail solid state Seagate drive or web server stored in kirtaner's basement.
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Frederick Hecklehot - Thu, 09 May 2019 00:04:37 EST j7lsX1i1 No.90130 Reply
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>>90129
It's a facsimile of knowledge that's more indestructible than data, which itself is merely a facsimile of a facsimile. The knowledge in the human mind is as close to a primary source as you've got, with the thing itself being the only original creation, and I suppose that makes the human mind a facsimile but bodies are harder to bury than burned paper you know what I'm saying? One ream of printed paper though if the thing is original, and human knowledge is facsimile, then the copy of a copy that is paper is still superior to a copy of a copy of a copy. I think the Catholic Church basically got that one figured out with their weird system of Relics.

Basically, what I'm saying is that with a sheet of paper, what you've got is what you've got. It's silent. Whatever it spoke, speaks only that and no more, and it can still be burned, but you can still have a printed piece of paper from 30 years ago and it works great.

Now try that with digital data. To even find something from 1999 which is only 20 years ago feels like going on an archeological expedition into the ancient internet past. To even find something from 2009 is to find something really, really old. A lot of the sites simply went under or got closed or spammed to shit and back. For example, 7chan and 711chan basically no longer exist. Numerous blogs don't exist. Numerous sites hosting these data simply no longer exist. When you go back to a forum all you see are broken images to file hosting sites some of which may no longer even exist. You simply don't have that problem with a book, and moreover, when you try to find that piece of paper maybe it's all been burned or thrown out but you can still find and talk to a living witness to those events who's 80 years old and recalling 60 year old memories. They can tell you what happened and what it's like there and expound upon it further.

Online, the only real thing you can look to is whoever is still living who contains that data. The wetware is simply irreplaceable. Somebody with a physical copy of a telex can scan the thing and upload it, sure, but that's all in meatspace. One could argue that books are meant to outlive us all, and I agree with that, because the wetware eventually feels making it the one hard failure node in the datanet, which is specifically why we have books to begin with.

But consider for example the story of Andrzej Łobaczewski https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ponerology#Psychopathology_and_politics. The Soviets had confiscated and burned his book. There were no more copies, but the man survived. As such, he was able to create another book. Men can always create more books, but the book cannot create more of itself. It remains a hard datanode, but an incomplete one. It is better than digital data because it is longer lived and also because it is much, much harder to alter it or do this https://io9.gizmodo.com/amazon-secretly-removes-1984-from-the-kindle-5317703

The idea that digital data will liberate us is a false one. How many people put data onto Zip drives? How much data is sitting around on 5 inch floppies, or betamax, or 8 tracks, or large magnetic reels? What is sitting around on film? These things decay much, much faster than printed paper, and what's worse, they all become obsolete so fast and we live in such a ridiculously idiotic culture of throwing things away that soon there is simply no one but an archivist and a few old people hoarders who even have the right data readers to begin with, and that is also assuming you have the right program.

This also ties in to why SETI is not going to find alien life. How do you expect them to ever actually detect that they're getting intelligent information, let alone will be able to decode it? We can't even decode much of our own data anymore and much of it will be lost to history because there are no more non-digital copies.
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Rebecca Tillingdale - Thu, 09 May 2019 01:05:24 EST AIckUWlj No.90131 Reply
>>90130
I'd agree with a lot more of what you write if you didn't speak like such a douche
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Shit Crobbleway - Thu, 09 May 2019 02:15:49 EST K4kjRE60 No.90132 Reply
>>90130
I would argue that it doesn't have to be this way, and in fact, already shouldn't be that way. We're already living in a world where if every human on Earth (all 7 billion of them) were writing fresh text every day of their lives that someone would be able to store all of that on a single hard drive (likely with some sort of text-compression applied). Why do people let media with archival data rot and decay currently? It's likely because nobody thought to preserve the data in a more permanent form, like how we have some works of art (oil on canvas ones, even) preserved in museums and historical societies to see today even though they are over a thousand years old. There needs to be a group of people that persists through time who are dedicated to preserving the digital past.
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Nicholas Marringshaw - Thu, 09 May 2019 13:09:53 EST YdHS11Dr No.90135 Reply
>>90130
Your argument is redundant and very roundabout, a lot of common sense and baby's first acid trip. You use flowery language as fluff instead of getting to the point because you want people to think you have a lot to say.
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Fucking Sabblenog - Thu, 09 May 2019 19:02:46 EST iPZBmmB/ No.90137 Reply
>>90132
This is honestly one of the most sensible posts on tinfoil ever

I believe the library of congress has underground digital storage, idk if they copy the whole internet thou

The library of congress also has underground physical depositories for books and documents

There was a REEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAALLLLLLLY sci fi channel original movie about a lumber apocalypse and the president and the insane congress held out in one until they liberated Northern California from bug aliens, God that movie sucked sooooo bad, fuck you sci fi channel
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Oliver Chuvingbitch - Fri, 10 May 2019 16:35:25 EST 7xDXbQbz No.90141 Reply
>>90132
>There needs to be a group of people that persists through time who are dedicated to preserving the digital past.
The Svalbard Seed Vault but with Sonic fanfictions
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Shitting Greenhood - Sat, 11 May 2019 01:30:48 EST K4kjRE60 No.90144 Reply
>>90137
I don't think that copying the whole Internet is feasible right now, but maybe one day in the future it could be. I was just proposing that all of the world' text on the Internet be archived somewhere (text by itself is far, far smaller than all of the audio, video, webpage, binary, videogame, etc. data that's out there).

>>90141
Yes. That's precisely what I'm proposing. All text would be stored indiscriminately such that no "historical bias" is added.
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Samuel Murdcocke - Sat, 11 May 2019 21:23:04 EST j7lsX1i1 No.90148 Reply
>>90137
They do and it's in one of the old FEMA Continuity of Government bunkers iirc

Well there's this one
https://learningenglish.voanews.com/a/old-nuclear-bunker-has-large-film-tv-collections/4085739.html

>>90141
That's what the Beresheet was supposed to do but it crashedprobably built by Mizrahim
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beresheet#Payload
>The spacecraft carried a digital "time capsule" containing over 30 million pages of data, including a full copy of the English-language Wikipedia, the Wearable Rosetta disc, the PanLex database, the Torah, children's drawings, a children's book inspired by the space launch, memoirs of a Holocaust survivor, Israel's national anthem ("Hatikvah"), the Israeli flag, and a copy of the Israeli Declaration of Independence.[16][17][18][5][19]

>Its scientific payload included a magnetometer supplied by the Israeli Weizmann Institute of Science to measure the local magnetic field, and a laser retroreflector array supplied by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center to enable precise measurements of the Earth–Moon distance.[20][21]
If we dropped one on the lunar surface it should theoretically last for quite awhile but it's going to end up being totally useless if it's anything digital. We need it inscribed on like, some kind of silver plates or something, or stainless steel plates or at least something super lightweight that won't breakdown anytime soon from unfiltered solar radiation.
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Wesley Blackshit - Sat, 11 May 2019 23:16:03 EST osp+nFNH No.90151 Reply
>>90148
Internet comment etiquette has already debunked FEMA camps, Internet comment etiquette has told us of your true face cloud person, Internet comment etiquette is the way and the light, only Internet comment etiquette can lead us to holy salvation and make Internet comment etiquette eligible for Internet comment etiquette Internet comment etiquette award of the year!
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Hamilton Nongerwill - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 11:21:17 EST gdxY7GWE No.90313 Reply
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>>89507
Has our tinfoil comrade been disappeared by those hostile to his truth?

Have his words of wisdom been silenced the banks and the deep state?
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Esther Shakehood - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 04:42:49 EST MXN3zmXj No.90316 Reply
>>90185
To be fair, those symbols have appeared on countless structures throughout human history.
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Lydia Ballerstone - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 21:48:39 EST zJi4AQ5F No.90317 Reply
>>90316
Like jack in the box? Or like what if someone sculpted a taco before the discovery of Spain?
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Nicholas Fadgewet - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 23:18:51 EST MXN3zmXj No.90318 Reply
>>90317
It sounds to me like you're more talking about anachronisms. I'm talking about ancient human symbols that have appeared in all cultures throughout history. Things like the sun or moon.

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