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- Sat, 17 Sep 2016 07:12:37 EST XYn3oUwq No.2943
File: 1474110757084.jpg -(286571B / 279.85KB, 1520x2688) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Breathing
I got used to pretty excessive vaping - 15-30ml VG a day at 100W or more.

Broke the device and returned to smaller units. 40W and 60w devices and vaping 10ml a day max thanks the power/battery lives.

My lungs feel different after a week. What gives ?
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Fanny Clammlesane - Fri, 30 Sep 2016 02:56:09 EST NfSc3J44 No.2971 Reply
Vaping melatonin is no more harmful than vaping any other tryptamine. And, well, it's melatonin. Best safety profile you'll ever get for anything you'd vape, really. I'd be more worried about downregulation and fucking up your circadian rhythm with prolonged sessions than any sort of physical health effects.
James Brengerdale - Mon, 03 Oct 2016 07:03:48 EST DnYtz/gI No.2985 Reply
>Best safety profile you'll ever get for anything you'd vape, really
Propylene glycol aside, yeah. It's kind of hard to beat its history of safety in that aspect.

I only feel, stressing the word feel, that melatonin is unsafe because it's so different when vaporized than just about any other route. I've taken 100mg orally and sublingually without any such effects out of curiosity. Even DMT without a MAOI will give a small related effect.
Sure, it could be just flooding the brain with it too quickly to break down and actually working some way, since melatonin is metabolized multiple ways, but it could also be breaking down into something else with the heat and I don't know what exactly. That makes it kind of scary.

As for downregulation and fucking up sleep/eating cycles, I've done far worse with other drugs. The body is amazingly good at healing that with time and fuel. So that's not too worrying honestly.
Phyllis Fellypon - Wed, 02 Nov 2016 17:38:12 EST SLcmsOat No.3077 Reply
Just posting to say lmao@not a single post in this thread actually addressing the OP's text in any way.

"Vaping is cheaper than smoking"

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- Sat, 17 Sep 2016 21:32:43 EST N3bVQM7i No.2945
File: 1474162363772.jpg -(416472B / 406.71KB, 847x567) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. "Vaping is cheaper than smoking"
I often hear one of benefits of vaping over smoking is that vaping is significantly cheaper than smoking cigarettes. I smoked cigarettes for five years, and switched to vaping about a year and a half ago. I love vaping, and only have the cigs every once in a blue moon.

There are a ton of reasons I prefer vaping over smoking. You can experience a functionally limitless array of delicious flavors, don't reek of stale cigarettes all the time, I can get away with satisfying my endless hunger for nicotine almost anywhere, at any time, (as long as I'm careful), I get a lot more hugs/physical contact from members of the opposite sex, my lungs thank me every morning, the list goes on and on.

But vaping is cheaper than smoking? No way. Not a chance. I have never experienced this. I actually pay a good deal more money vaping than I did smoking. I'm not counting potential money from hospital bills (lung cancer). I am just examining the day to day cost of vaping vs. smoking. My calculations of the cost of vaping puts me almost double of the cost I used to spend on cigarettes every day.

I vape fairly heavily. Many days I vape ~7ml of juice a day. Some days I vape only about 3ml a day, but I would say most days are upwards of 5ml. Which I don't think is an obscene amount, right?

The cost of liquid from my preferred local vapor store (also among the cheaper stores in my area):

100ml of Max VG liquid - $60
(Applying a 10% discount I often am able to get with coupons/store points/being friends with the employees - $54 for the 100ml)
(applying tax) - About $59 for the 100ml
Then 7ml of liquid = ~$3.54

Comparing that to cigarettes... I used to smoke between 7 and 10 Camel Lights a day. A pack of cigs in my state costs about $5 (I live in tobacco country). Often it would cost about $4.50 but I'll round up to $5 to better illustrate my point.
At $5 a pack, 10 cigarettes costs $2.50.

I'm not going to count the cost of coils, or the hardware of the vape itself, anything like that, again, to illustrate my point.

We're looking at $2.50/day for cigarettes, and $3.54/day for e-liquid. And I rounded up several times the cost of cigarettes/day for me. A more accurate figure would be less than that, like $2, maybe even slightly less.

So what gives? I'm buying liquid from one of the cheaper chains in my area, and buying in one of the bulkier sizes. But the cost of vaping is almost double that of cigarettes. Does anyone actually spend less money on vaping than cigarettes? I just don't see how it's possible.

There's no way I want to go back to cigarettes. I just want to know if anyone honestly spends less on vaping than smoking. It would only make sense to me if they lived in New York or something, where cigarettes cost $15 USD a pack.
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Barnaby Blatherwill - Sun, 02 Oct 2016 02:58:27 EST My69yMsS No.2978 Reply
Vaping has been way cheaper for me in the long run. The initial investment was like $80 for the box, the tank, and the stuff for making coils, and a 30mL bottle of juice costs $15 at my local vape shop and lasts me over a week. Compare that with smoking a pack a day, which costed me about $50 a week.
Esther Buzzway - Sun, 02 Oct 2016 13:20:36 EST VpDbgUHD No.2979 Reply
There are plenty of companies that offer fantastic juice at extremely cheap prices. Where are you buying your juice, and from what companies?

Also, a lot of companies do ridiculous sales all the time. Om Vapors is doing a 70% off sale right now. 70% off everything in the store. Plus if you spend over a certain amount you get 30 mL for under a buck.

Then there are other companies that sell 120 mL for $30.

Ur probably doing something wrong.
Martha Credgeford - Mon, 03 Oct 2016 17:12:52 EST V1CTrUuo No.2988 Reply
If you buy that shit that runs $20 for 30mL, yea, "vaping is cheaper than smoking" is 100% bullshit. Vaping would literally be 10x more expensive than smoking if I still bought from the local stores here, I vape around 15-20mL a day.
All you have to do is find a budget vendor you like though. I've been using VapeWild for the last year. Big Bottle Company is good too. Elitists on the Internet and in brick&mortars will have you believe that ejuice can't be good unless it costs more than your car, but I'd give these budget juices a 7/10 compared to the premium juice's 8/10. You can always DIY too but fuck that as far as I'm concerned, way too much time and effort involved.

Atomizer for pen

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- Fri, 30 Sep 2016 13:29:47 EST oR7y7E9X No.2973
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This might be too specific of a question to be asking on here, but would anyone know what dry herb atomizers are compatible with the Kanger EVOD 1?

I'm also considering getting a cheap vape set up instead, like this one: http://www.vapir.com/vaporizers/oxygen-mini
Hedda Sinderbanks - Fri, 30 Sep 2016 15:55:37 EST oR7y7E9X No.2974 Reply
I went out and bought an atomizer. so far i can't get a hit off of it, i think i may need to invest in something more fancy

Coils only last like 2 days

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- Sun, 04 Sep 2016 13:32:07 EST ZcCj6RnB No.2900
File: 1473010327699.jpg -(24835B / 24.25KB, 300x189) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Coils only last like 2 days
So I've been vaping a little over a month now. I have an iStick Pico and Melo 3 tank, and vape between 40-45w usually. The problem I'm having is that my coils will only taste good for like 2 days, and it'll start quickly decreasing in taste up to about 6 days at most when it just starts tasting burnt up. Besides turning it down or vaping less, is there a way I can prolong the life of my coils? Or should I just get an RDA setup and just rebuild whenever I feel like it?
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Charles Sazzlewill - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 10:03:23 EST ZcCj6RnB No.2940 Reply
No im not that guy lol.

Well, i figured it out. Vaping a lot and switching juices is the culprit. I got a cleito tank and only running one flavor in it, and its holding up well. My old tank is reserved for these two very similar custard flavors. Everything else i have im probably not gonna touch unless out of desperation lol,
Basil Cringerputch - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 17:00:48 EST PQGD6AOT No.2941 Reply

Good choice. I have 2 vapes - one for my everyday vape and another for desert flavours that are more of a "have with coffee" type thing
Eliza Hindlestock - Thu, 29 Sep 2016 07:27:42 EST DnYtz/gI No.2966 Reply
Yes it does. Pico and its Melo 3 both support nickel just fine.
Personally I'd say to go for SS316L though. Stainless steel works great even without TC on. Seems a ton safer than nickel or titanium in that aspect.

If you're into prebuilt atomizer heads, there's some fancy SS NotchCoil thing for it which looks to have quite the surface area and only 0.25ohm resistance.
But it really does make sense to get into RBA setups instead, for cost if nothing else.


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- Sun, 21 Aug 2016 13:40:41 EST XYn3oUwq No.2881
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Sup guys I came up with a steeping technique that i've had great results with.

Basically, I took the concept of the water bath and said fuck water baths.

I've used a portable heater fan to subject my bottles to heat, every once in a while (maybe 10 mins) I put all the bottles into a bag and shake the fuck up. Continue for around an hour, occasionally turning off.

I'm checking the bottles intermittently to be sure that they don't end up too hot and cracking under the heat.

So far it's taken some really nasty, understeeped perfumey smell mixes and they've transformed into significantly better quality flavours in under and hour.

Hopefully this helps some of you, I don't agree with half of the overly protective, overly scientific bullshit that you see online about steeping. This method is working for me great and hopefully some of you do too.
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Clara Gullyfuck - Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:02:08 EST 8FMx5MxJ No.2936 Reply
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This happened a few days ago and I was too much of a dumbdumb to document it along the way so I'll attempt to describe it here. Here's the short version: There might be a way to oxidize or steep your fluid almost instantly. Or I might just be an idiot who's new to vaping and reporting something everyone already knows.

I was too broke to buy a new bottle of fluid so I started taking my hoard of near-empties and mixing them in my tank. Each bottle was a different brand, a different flavor, and had a different concentration of nicotine. A minority of these also had artificial colouring.

When I would mix two juices I immediately noticed "threads" of very brown fluid suspended within the rest of the juice. Over the course of maybe half an hour, the fluid would sometimes turn so dark that I couldn't see through the clearomizor to the coil within. This also effected the taste and seemed to make one but not all of the flavors more pronounced.

I cleaned the ever loving shit out of my coil with water and rubbing alcohol, and conducted some experiments. What I found was that bigger differences in nicotine concentration resulted in different levels of darkening.

Mixing 6mg and 6mg resulted in no discoloration. Mixing 6mg and 8mg made it turn slightly brown, and mixing 0mg and either 6mg or 8mg is what turned it completely opaque.

Reading image boards and Google searches told me that vape fluid darkens when it oxidizes and this is something people want and go to lengths like this thread to provoke. So if anybody is willing to buy two bottles of the same flavor, one with high nicotine content and one with none, this might be what you've been waiting for.
Charles Pockfoot - Mon, 19 Sep 2016 16:44:03 EST hyT91U4D No.2953 Reply
let use your thread to vent out my frustration, OP

>steep e-juice to improve flavor and evaporate the alcohol
>alcohol evaporates
>so does the menthol and part of the choc flavor

kill me
Kirtaner !Ub4TCdRjOM - Mon, 19 Sep 2016 17:05:28 EST 6wyKBhvE No.2955 Reply
I stick bottles on top of my work iMac to steep, it gets hot as fuck up there and color change comes within hours.

Post your Vape

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- Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:45:47 EST RuwaVLpM No.503
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Pretty simple, Post your vape model, brand, coils, etc. Let us know what you like or don't like about. Price included would be great too. You all get the idea.

I'll start...

I have a Kangertech SUBOX Mini(Black cuz im myzteriouz). Got the whole starter kit which include an extra coil, charging cable and warranty along with all the vape stuff(no liquid included) for $79 plus tax

TBH this is my first real vape(had a Cig20 e-cig before but wasn't a fan of it.) so i can't give you too much opinion but i definitely am satisfied for my first vape.

My question is, how worth is it to experiment with different kinds of coils? does it really make a big difference in your vaping?
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Oliver Blarringlock - Mon, 22 Aug 2016 19:50:11 EST XYn3oUwq No.2885 Reply
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Kangertech dripbox 160

  • clouds
  • squeezer box to fill rda is fun at first
  • clouds
  • can be used while charging
  • clouds

  • rda that comes with it kinda sucks, will be replacing soon
  • battery and liquid goes fast if you are a heavy vaper
  • this thing is awkward and oversized, not great for putting in your pockets

Overall, for how cheap it is, it's a high powered device that will keep you happy
Walter Debberhetch - Sun, 18 Sep 2016 22:25:53 EST x3Iu5uge No.2951 Reply
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Hand Check.
Got the Troll V2 sitting on top the Smok H-priv 220w box mod.
Dripping Aftermath by Flawless, it's one of the best donut flavors I've tried and I've tried A LOT.
Reuben Dizzlespear - Mon, 19 Sep 2016 06:27:58 EST PQGD6AOT No.2952 Reply
I have to disagree. Vaping weed makes a pretty strong and distinct aroma. As someone who uses a flowermate 5s pro, I've always picked up comments about smell.

Whether it's walking in public and my friends catch the wave of aroma. Or inside my flat and my flatmates comment on the hall smelling herbal. The "vape make no smell" thing has always seemed a bit delusional to me. Its less obvious visually, but smell wise, you will catch it.

Smell only goes with Windows open for 20 mins.

vaping tobacco

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- Thu, 15 Sep 2016 09:46:48 EST yqiNUAnn No.2942
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what temp do I vape tobacco at? I have my crappy conduction vaporizer up to 150 degrees celsius and not getting vape clouds. Also what temp does nicotine vape at?
Charlotte Sacklechodging - Sat, 17 Sep 2016 16:44:54 EST D0HfPNOW No.2944 Reply
400+ F/200+ C is a good temp.

With tobacco you really want to be careful with how much you vape. Unlike weed; where you can vape literally infinite amounts with no consequence, you can actually OD on vaping tobacco... trust me. Bac sneaks up on you quick and vaping it is MUCH more potent than smoking. Take about 2-3 good hulls and STOP, just wait a minute and you'll feel the massive headrush.

Looking for nicotine eliquid

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- Mon, 12 Sep 2016 14:10:30 EST wAwUtFXt No.2928
File: 1473703830430.jpg -(5090B / 4.97KB, 290x174) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Looking for nicotine eliquid
Looking for a way to buy flavorless nicotine for cheap for my ecig/vape, best price for quantiy of nico. Anyone got any safe suggestions on sites or resources to buy online?
I can get locally for 10ml for 7$usd, wanna find a liter or so at 12-24mg, or what ever is best cost effectrive, even if buying vg pg on its own? Totally unsure on what to get.
Sidney Gacklewadge - Wed, 14 Sep 2016 04:35:41 EST hcYD5A/G No.2939 Reply
ecig express is where I buy my juice from
its like 1 liter for around 20-40 bucks. depending on which mixes you get....either way they last forever....

E-cigarette help

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- Sat, 13 Aug 2016 01:34:48 EST hC6ZeAAY No.2857
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I need to get an e-cig for my grandmother, to hopefully wean her off regular ciggies.

I don't know a thing about vaping. Can anyone please point me towards useful sites/information? Also reputable brands etc. I just need something that can (a) do nicotine and (b) have flavors. She usually smokes Misty 125s.

All the information I have on them is an old e-cig ad from the back of a 2011 issue of popular mechanics. So I'll take anything you can throw at me.
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Emma Fuckingridge - Sun, 14 Aug 2016 20:36:40 EST aZaB9KKp No.2862 Reply
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I use a Juul, which is e cig produced by Pax. I LOOOOVE it. I'm sure it wouldn't be terribly popular here, but for an old lady it may be perfect.
Matilda Bozzlechot - Thu, 18 Aug 2016 16:07:56 EST jc9LJlws No.2870 Reply
buy an ego twist or a vision spinner, then buy an iclear 16 and a kanger evod 2.

the twist or spinner are the batteries, maybe get both so she has one to use while the other charges. they both use the same charger. the iclear and evod can be got for like 10 dollars for both. they are two different types of clearomizers. one is top coil design and one is bottom coil design, so you cold get an idea of what she likes more. after you know which she prefers, buy replacement coils for that clearomizer.

as for juice, just look for literally anything cheap. if she smokes menthols go for menthols. when you're switching off cigarettes everything more or less tastes the same anyway. I quit using a more expensive and less versatile set up than this because no one told me that this shit was fine for switching and cheap.
Clara Gullyfuck - Mon, 12 Sep 2016 19:26:52 EST 8FMx5MxJ No.2937 Reply
Not to be a downer or anything but at her age she may as well keep smoking cigarettes if she wants to.

can I use e-liquids with herbal vaporizers/vapourisers - are there any that are compatible?

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- Fri, 09 Sep 2016 04:49:44 EST yqiNUAnn No.2918
File: 1473410984186.jpg -(348417B / 340.25KB, 876x440) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. can I use e-liquids with herbal vaporizers/vapourisers - are there any that are compatible?
I want to buy a vaporizer for standard weed and maybe when it's legal in the distant future the oils, but while I'm at it I might as well get one that's also compatible with the e-liquid refills you would use with e-cigarettes. I know the temperatures are different for vaping the eliquids in cigarettes but there's a massive crossover so I should be fine.

I want to buy a flowermate but there's no compatibility. Is it possible I could buy a seperate product such as a liquid chamber that I could put in the flowermate? It's really only an issue of needing something to hold the liquid.

Only one I've seen that for sure markets itself as a dry herb and oil/wax is this one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eiAgNTH2vfE but I checked their website and I might not be able to get one of the models with wax/oil support vessel thing.

thanks lads
Jack Giddleman - Fri, 09 Sep 2016 05:00:46 EST WMl2mps6 No.2919 Reply
There are, but most of them suck with herb. It would be better to buy a dedicated flower vape, then pic up a decent box mod for your nicotine fix. If you decide to move on to oil in the future you can get a hash atomizer for your mod.

two questions about making e juice

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- Thu, 08 Sep 2016 00:11:59 EST CP1dLJP7 No.2908
File: 1473307919903.jpg -(95070B / 92.84KB, 465x700) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. two questions about making e juice
I bought a fuckton of nicotine, but now all of it turned yellowish. I did keep it closed in a dark and cool area.
I haven't tried it yet, but I did have some juices I made a few months ago with that nic (that juice turned yellow too) and it is SUPER HARSH.

can I still use that nic and just use lower concentrations? is it bad for my health?

my second question is if I can use food/cosmetic essences to flavor my e juices. I'm not in US or UK, so a lot of the recommended essence brands are hard to find.
Is there anything I should keep an eye for? Can I inhale any essence whatsoever as long as it is diluted in PG?
Augustus Lightspear - Thu, 08 Sep 2016 00:21:57 EST WMl2mps6 No.2909 Reply
Nic has probably gone bad, but you might as well give it a try and see how it hits, the ingredients are cheap. I doubt testing it out will cause anymore harm than nicotine already does.

Food safe flavors are generally safe to vape. Make sure they're PG based though, some are diluted in ethanol. You can still use the ethanol based flavors, but they can be harsh if you don't let them breathe for a few days after mixing.

Also keep an eye out for diacetyl. It's usually found in buttery and creamy flavors. Some people think its pure cancer, others think its not a big issue. I'll let you do the research and come to your own conclusion.
Simon Goshmedge - Sat, 10 Sep 2016 14:27:28 EST PQGD6AOT No.2924 Reply
Awful information.

Nicotine will always turn yellow in storage. 100% normal.

Any perception of harshness is most likely psychological or you need to actually lower your % because it's too much for you. Steep and mix your flavours properly. You can get random bumps of harshness from poorly mixed juice because there's a spike of nic in it.

Addicted to Nicotine Through Vaping???

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- Sat, 30 Jul 2016 02:16:52 EST y9D/FkE6 No.2792
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So here's something nobody on the internet is talking about.... Is it possible to get addicted to nicotine through vaping? People are saying yes and no, but have been addicted to cigarettes for 20 years so they have no real clue, so my question is this.

Has anyone here NOT smoked cigarettes, vaped, and then became addicted to nicotine?
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Nigel Denderwell - Mon, 05 Sep 2016 22:54:32 EST TtRik3v6 No.2902 Reply
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>is it possible to get addicted to nicotine
nigga, you are fucking stupid as hell.
shaking my damn head fam

you get MORE addicted because you are a piece of shit that will vape everywhere constantly whereas cigarettes you smoke on occasion outdoors (assuming you aren't a degenerate fuckboi).
My vape broke and I started smoking cuz I was stressed as fuck, and found out I was now a pack a day, where before I was only 2-3 smokes a day.
Augustus Lightspear - Thu, 08 Sep 2016 00:39:07 EST WMl2mps6 No.2912 Reply
Yes nicotine is addictive, but its a different addiction than cigarettes. In addition to nicotine tobacco also contains harmine, a mild MAOI. So if you go to long without a smoke you experience both nicotine and MAOI withdrawal which is noticeably shittier than just nicotine withdrawal.
Martin Sonkinlirk - Fri, 09 Sep 2016 18:09:01 EST obozSS8j No.2921 Reply
Jesus Christ the problem with legal drugs is that a bunch of idiots start thinking they must be totally harmless and nonaddicting because they're legal and can't handle it when the government lets us make decisions about our health on our own.

Issues with Uwell Crown coil

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- Fri, 12 Aug 2016 03:18:55 EST JZAWenAQ No.2850
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I've had my Uwell Crown for awhile now, used with a Kbox mini, and I've never had issues. I just changed the coil and I can't even get the damn thing to detect it for some reason. If I swap back to my old coil, it works fine. I had a similar coil about a month ago that was doing the same thing, but after fiddling with it for a bit, I managed to get it to work. Is there something I need to do, or did I get a dud coil or something?
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James Pickstone - Fri, 26 Aug 2016 18:42:32 EST kV0/WkWx No.2891 Reply
The crown 2 coils have been fixed, early issues no longer a problem
Phyllis Gammerhall - Mon, 05 Sep 2016 12:33:42 EST 9QWNQsWK No.2901 Reply
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My Crown 2 rules as long as it isn't leaking everywhere. Which is kinda often actually.
Basil Lightspear - Tue, 06 Sep 2016 20:20:17 EST ZcCj6RnB No.2904 Reply
You wanna make sure your store isn't selling you the wrong coils. Many times they'd sell me the wrong resistance or the nickel version and it wouldn't detect the atomizer.


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- Fri, 19 Aug 2016 14:09:37 EST VI70FYgq No.2874
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Is this stuff legit?
Samuel Deddlekudge - Tue, 23 Aug 2016 17:12:32 EST p90QnkT8 No.2886 Reply
If you can buy it legally in most states it's probably shit
Nicholas Clayshit - Tue, 06 Sep 2016 16:29:21 EST HJ7Ru0Wk No.2903 Reply
There are a few vape places that make their own and its pretty fire. I wouldn't trust larger brands for their potency though. Just shop around for some good shit, or make your own, it aint hard nigga.

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