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Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 Ignore Report Reply
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 01:10:11 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733787
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This is the best gaming news I've heard in a while. Huge fan of the original and the /tg/ RPG which the game got me into HEAVILY. If youre a poor soul who has no idea what Vampire is imagine vampires really existed only after the inquisition they used science and the enlightenment to debunk themselves to control and feed off humanity from the shadows. This is what is called the Masquerade, the organization of vampires into the modern nights, an underworld in this World of Darkness.

This ain't no sparkling vampires, this is punk rocker street thug vampires, shadow weaver vampires, mentally insane vampires, fleshcrafting shapeshifting vampires, blood magick vampires all each of unique clans for you to play with their own motivations. Hopefully you can even play the game as any sect, Camarilla, Sabbat, Anarch, or independent and it uses what made the original game great and innovates while sticking to the classic World of Darkness lore.

Theres a lot I can tell you guys from this trailer as someone obsessed with the lore of VtM which is, imo, the best lore in ALL of gaming. It takes place in Seattle in modern times with you pitted between the alliances of an impending vampire civil war over control of the cities blood trade. It seems to be a Camarilla city due to the possibly Toreador Prince in the trailer. Might also be a Gehenna story since the giant blood tsunamis.

I'm hyped! No one was expecting this news tho come to think of it I'm not too surprised because Paradox owns White Wolf and has been trying to make a World of Darkness MMO for a minute. I really hope they dont fuck this up. Sorry for nerding out a bit I'm obsessed with Vampire to the point I wrote chronicles that are a universe within the WoD universe, lemme breath into a bag and calm down lol.

Its a good time to be alive! (Well dead in this case)
Kraid - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 01:12:21 EST ID:K0lo1bml No.733788 Ignore Report Reply
>Paradox interactive
Ah, fuck
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 03:15:06 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733793 Ignore Report Reply
On the bright side White Wolf as a subsidiary has held firmly onto their World of Darkness title and has autonomy over it and will likely get main say in the dev.

Remember they made VtM with their own video game dev and did amazing things so if paradox is smart they won't change anything here.
Crash Bandicoot - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 03:58:42 EST ID:cqXHNMKT No.733799 Ignore Report Reply
What, you'd rather have Activision handle it?
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 04:11:46 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733800 Ignore Report Reply
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So apparently they're going to let you make trap and trannypiers complete with pronoun choices for the dialogue. Before you get all scurred this means its some sjw shill the game is a gothpunk setting and its based on a tabletop game that level of customization should be there politics or not.

On the bright side we can ressurect the old Dracula Penis meme.
Joanna Dark - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 04:54:28 EST ID:KPChXmhP No.733801 Ignore Report Reply
Holy fuck, I loved bloodlines. Picked it up as a teen for $2 used at a shop, even the clerk reacted to that it was a good deal. Played the shit out of it. Hit me right in the leftover early teen edge too. Getting time for a replay.
Hope I'll be able to play it, my computers kinda sucky.
Kolyat Krios - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 08:12:33 EST ID:zRMIfnL5 No.733809 Ignore Report Reply
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Chris Avellone confirmed to be working on it in some capacity so expect him to smack you in the face with his giant gray morality dick

He also relayed info from a Paradox project manager that there's no Epic Games shenanigans (it's already got a listing on Steam) and you can also get it on GOG and other platforms
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 09:32:43 EST ID:O7PpAS3S No.733815 Ignore Report Reply
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Preordered last night. I've played WoD PnP since 96. I purchased both Redemption, Bloodlines, and the Hunter game all at launch, and this will be no different. So hyped. Especially once I saw Mitsoda and Avellone were back on board.
Spinal - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 09:48:59 EST ID:xiGHuodJ No.733816 Ignore Report Reply
Not to piss on the parade but we've been expecting something VtM for a bit now. Paradox had their Tender ARG going on for a month or two at this point. We didn't know it was gonna be a sequel, but yeah.

Anyway I'm wicked stoked about this. I can't wait until they start showing off gameplay.
Cid - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:41:48 EST ID:B8Sy1Aw2 No.733820 Ignore Report Reply
Yeaaaah except that the problem is it still actually makes no fucking sense in a WoD vampire game because cainites dont even care about sex. You could at best make some half baked argument about they switched genders before embrace, because a vampire is literally a reanimated corpse with no real biological function. And it would have to happen before the embrace because if you chopped your dick off it would just grow back.

The he only exception are Tzimisce who often fleshcraft themselves so much they're no longer recognizable as male, female, or even human, unless you had one who fancied changing its gender appearance whenever. This would also be funny because that clan is pretty much the most completely evil and inhuman out of all 13 who openly embrace being monstrous. Just about anything else would be canon breaking and fucking retard. I can deal with it if it actually makes sense in the lore, and not just some stupid lore breaking bullshit some retard wanted to shoehorn in there, especially if it's a Mary sue or self insert of some dev. The fundamental nature of the Cainite is being frozen in time as a blood drinking selfish corpse.

>Chris Avellone confirmed to be working on it in some capacity so expect him to smack you in the face with his giant gray morality dick
Damn well better be. VtM was also about shades of grey and trying not to give in to your inner demons too much. Anything that has straight good morality doesn't fit the setting at all.
Kraid - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:41:57 EST ID:K0lo1bml No.733821 Ignore Report Reply
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I don't know, I guess the last 11 years of modern gaming has made me jaded and cynical but I feel a bad omen about this, will modern audiences care about a new VTM? Is Paradox planning to cater to the modern audience like they have with Hoi4, Imperator and stellaris? I don't know fella's, maybe it's better to let old games lie, instead of bringing them up to a modern standard where they have a high chanceof being butchered beyond unrecognizability to the point where the game doesn't even look like its part of the same franchise, I hope they keep the depth and complexity of the first but I just don't trust them anymore.
Cid - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:52:28 EST ID:B8Sy1Aw2 No.733823 Ignore Report Reply
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Well idk. It is such a cult classic that way more people probably first played it long after the release. Plus it's probably not actually been enough time for the people who first played it to be too old to care about that shit. And the fact a lot of people might just be adults with their own money. One thing I give Paradox credit for is they specialize in pretty niche games, like city building simulators, grand strategy/4x, and crpgs. So will they pander to the retard demographic and ruin it? Who knows. But it's also not being developed by Paradox it's being developed by some new studio founded in 2015 that doesn't look like they made any other games and https://www.hardsuitlabs.com/
Uh oh. Suddenly I've got a really bad feeling about this.
Cid - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:56:29 EST ID:B8Sy1Aw2 No.733824 Ignore Report Reply
Oh wait nvm I'm retarded that's the old one nb
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:07:03 EST ID:Z0dPgELv No.733827 Ignore Report Reply
>will modern audiences care about a new VTM
Forgive me for saying so, but fuck em. This isn't about "modern audiences". This is about people like us that have loved the setting and WoD for years, in some cases decades.
Diddy Kong - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:58:17 EST ID:+O94qaND No.733828 Ignore Report Reply
It matters if you want a VtM 3
Bullet Bill - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:00:38 EST ID:1PRipo9X No.733829 Ignore Report Reply
Going to make a bold claim based on the wisdoms I have gleaned from years of solitary meditation on a mountaintop: sometimes not everything is black or white... sometimes, it's a mix of those two colors. Equally, the game might be good, or it might be bad, or it might even be somewhere in between... Namaste...
Richter Belmont - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:35:44 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.733830 Ignore Report Reply
If 2 gets made specifically to cater to those people then no I don't want a 3
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 15:39:26 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733832 Ignore Report Reply
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Its your Vampire lore master OP back with more vampire autism.


OK so appearntly Beckett's Jyhad Diary and the new v5 tabletop (which the new game is based on and was developed around the same time as) canonizes some lore after the first game. Mainly thin bloods are their own "clan" and less sucky now, Gehenna is real is the form of social collapse, and Tremere split into factions.

Bad news: Jacks dead :(
Good news: Terese and Jeanette Voremann are alive and prospering

I really hope they give you real Sabbat options in this one. Especially since House Goratrix of clan Tremere is their own Sabbat faction, that should be cool.
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 15:45:49 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733833 Ignore Report Reply
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Also lmao idk why but I read >vampire PNP and for a sec thought of gay vampire meth sex lol.

Like damn dude your games must be fun!
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 15:58:17 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733834 Ignore Report Reply
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I see you care about lore too! Tbh v5 lore is something I'm already uneasy with. With what youre saying I doubt genitals will be an issue since like you said sex is basically a tool to the kindred as its one not the ecstasy of the Kiss, two expends blood to even become non corpse like enough for sex.

Its just going to allow the dialogue to respond to he she or they regardless of the characters sex which is a minor scripting option. All RPGs have gendered replys this just allows players to choose theirs, its a very mild detail that if it makes someone happy I say so be it.

>Btw pic is me outside this thread and cWoD Hub
Meldrig Fillergran - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:28:17 EST ID:N+RVH8Fe No.733835 Ignore Report Reply
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first System Shock 1 & 2 Remake and now this?

this gonna be gud!
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:21:33 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733836 Ignore Report Reply
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That Toreador thot is confirmed alive in the VtM mobile game iirc.
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:27:43 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733837 Ignore Report Reply
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Oh btw in v5 lore the Masquerade has been broken to a degree as technology has progressed. The NSA Paranormal Research Division and The Society of Leopold have always known about kindred to a degree but it seems to be the Imbued (those woke about the supernatural) are in larger degree in the current night.

So I wonder how the game will handle The Second Inquisition aspect as well as if a player can play a Sabbat with the new Masquerade system (if there even is one).
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:36:51 EST ID:O7PpAS3S No.733841 Ignore Report Reply
Does anyone have a link to the Discord that I keep hearing about and accidently leaked everything?
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:18:04 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733846 Ignore Report Reply
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Lolwut?! I want this too.

I'll check my resources but if you find it before me post the link here please bro.
Archangel Tyrael - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:32:39 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.733847 Ignore Report Reply
Instead of a mission where you're chased by werewolves or ghosts, instead you're chased by fucking humans in power armour.

Like seriously, that black ops power armour the US government has, absolutely destroys. You have to attack those lads with SQUADS of combat-specced vampires.
Mokes - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:45:26 EST ID:yJ2HvjAB No.733849 Ignore Report Reply
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The original composer is also back!
Sagat - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 20:03:12 EST ID:xiGHuodJ No.733851 Ignore Report Reply


It's not the one that leaked everything because that one doesn't exist anymore (it was the original official discord but it went live early so they just nuked everything, links to that version don't work anymore) but this is the current official discord for it, if you still wanted to check a look.
Sagat - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 20:21:14 EST ID:xiGHuodJ No.733854 Ignore Report Reply
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Oh, nb but also the official website is running some shit leading up to the release that nets you in-game items. All free, like right now you just need to poke around the website and find some (pretty poorly) hidden blood bags. The clans section is pretty sparse but has a picture for each of the ones in the base game (and I assume the bonus is gonna be your player home) so you can get a pretty good idea of who we'll get to pick from. My guesses would be Toreador, Ventrue, Malkavian, Tremere, Nosferatu, and Brujah, personally.


You guys should also download that Tender ARG I mentioned earlier if you bother going for the unlocks and shit, you get some points from doing that as well and everything has been figured out so it'll take ~10 minutes to do. If nothing else it's neat to fiddle with for a couple minutes, supposed to be an in-universe dating app designed to lure really lonely people into meeting in secret (EG, by yourself and don't tell anyone you're going) with their "soulmate" who is just a vampire waiting to drain them.
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:38:32 EST ID:Z0dPgELv No.733861 Ignore Report Reply
You're a gentleman an a scholar.
Jesus Christ this game keeps getting better and better.

For you, Mr Tweak and Twitch, I haven't gotten to play or look over V5. What's changed, and what's going on with the plot? Judging from what I'm seeing around the net the old metaplot is back sort of?
Goemon - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:39:25 EST ID:vrQiXcHX No.733867 Ignore Report Reply
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Your picture made this incredibly misleading.

Here I am excited about adorable 2D kyuuketsuki-con aesthetic. Watch the video and it was nothing like that.
Four - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:44:11 EST ID:gsvxpxbR No.733868 Ignore Report Reply
I am feeling very cautious about this. I dont know what to expect even after watching the trailer, but i will keep my mind open to new ideas.
Naija - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 03:29:41 EST ID:93voU8ra No.733873 Ignore Report Reply
I envy your ability to get excited about this game before it releases. Loved the first one, played it many times. I'll probably play this a year or two after it comes out.
Ibuki - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 06:04:52 EST ID:H3cEG08e No.733877 Ignore Report Reply
They need to rehire the guy who did the soundtrack for the first game.
Sagat - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 11:26:53 EST ID:xiGHuodJ No.733892 Ignore Report Reply
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They did. See: >>733849
Ibuki - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 11:37:30 EST ID:H3cEG08e No.733894 Ignore Report Reply

That's badass.
Anton Slavic - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:13:14 EST ID:FnQhUnkm No.733902 Ignore Report Reply
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My 14 year old self just got a huge RPG boner
deBlob - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 23:49:17 EST ID:ROe2hAK3 No.733932 Ignore Report Reply
Is there a background option for streetkids, gutterpunks, and hippies?
Mr. X - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 05:28:26 EST ID:KPChXmhP No.733939 Ignore Report Reply
I was listening to the bloodlines OST just yesterday cause this thread reminded me of it, didn't even consider that he could make the new one as well.
Siegfried Schtauffen - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 07:41:36 EST ID:4VPVikJ9 No.733944 Ignore Report Reply
Looks like 2019 and 2020 are shaping up to be heavy-hitter years for fans of the RPG genre :]
Four - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:00:29 EST ID:hpg1iQOW No.733962 Ignore Report Reply
Would you hate me if I said the most Iā€™m looking forward to is the New System Shock remake?
Donkey Kong - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:47:37 EST ID:qSiCLraI No.733970 Ignore Report Reply
>paradox involved, so $900 of future dlc confirmed
>only 1 person from the first game is involved
>made by reminiscents of a dead crappy company who made no good games
>paradox is involved
>made by SJW that will let you choose over 50 pronouns
>1 year preorder with no gameplay released
>tranny muslim vampires
>malkavians not crazy enough cause making fun of mental illness is offensive
>paradox is involved

Nope. Though I guess seeing a game with tranny vampires is gonna be pretty
unintentionally funny. Insane that the game is already on steam top sales when we know so little about it, there's no gameplay trailer and is made by a completelly different team.

I mean that's like me putting a mcdonalds sign in front of my door and selling bigmac 2 even though i never cooked in my life, but people love that big mac so they just come and preorder 20 of them anyway before i even open up.
Gannondorf - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:02:39 EST ID:w5O8WO5d No.733974 Ignore Report Reply
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>This ain't no sparkling vampires, this is punk rocker street thug vampires
lol ok
Rinoa Heartilly - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:41:55 EST ID:zRMIfnL5 No.733976 Ignore Report Reply
Brad Vickers - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:33:33 EST ID:G9vm2/oh No.733977 Ignore Report Reply
you don't need any cooking experience to make a big mac dude
Kid Ying - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:53:13 EST ID:OH/OGlHP No.733978 Ignore Report Reply
you're confusing paradox the publisher with paradox the developers, paradox published games aren't dlc fests they're just cheaply churned out eurojank, expect it to come out broken but with flashes of potential and then not get any patches or dlc whatsoever.
Norton Mapes - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:26:20 EST ID:1PRipo9X No.733979 Ignore Report Reply
I guess they have a bunch of smaller published games like that, but it doesn't really fit a lot of their more recent, higher profile stuff. The Pillars of Eternity games, for instance, were generally polished and had a couple decent-sized expansion packs. Hell, they even added a turn-based mode to the second one. Cities Skylines is still pretty janky but got a ton of updates and DLC. I haven't revisited Battletech in a while, but I didn't have any major problems with it on release and it sounds like it was updated a decent amount. Same with Surviving Mars. But I guess we'll see.
Lord Grazel - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:41:20 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.733980 Ignore Report Reply
I can put up with jank as long as the rest is good. Ffs I somehow managed to beat FNV and it wasn't even that fantastic for what I put up with.
Wario - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 00:50:09 EST ID:cqXHNMKT No.733982 Ignore Report Reply
Impressive amounts of straw you got here.
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 00:51:28 EST ID:Z0dPgELv No.733983 Ignore Report Reply
Screw it. I'll bite.
>paradox involved, so $900 of future dlc confirmed
They already came out and said all Clan DLC would be free. I'm OK with this.

>made by reminiscents of a dead crappy company who made no good games
Point to you on this one. The old company that most of the guys came from doesn't have the best track record or metascore for their games.

>paradox is involved
As the publisher.

>made by SJW that will let you choose over 50 pronouns
Tzscimises everywhere will rejoice.

>1 year preorder with no gameplay released
I'm buying on brand alone, as are a lot of people. Not even the "Bloodlines" name. The "World of Darkness" name.

>tranny muslim vampires
The people that penned Rudi have all been fired. A long time ago. Try harder.

>malkavians not crazy enough cause making fun of mental illness is offensive
So you WANT an lolSORANDUM fishmalk? That's not what a Malkavian is supposed to be. Really, the Bloodlines Malk is a terrible one, but sadly he's what a lot of people who don't know the setting think a Malkavian is supposed to be. Grout is a lot better example of a Malkavian than the Malk PC. But please, be that guy that wants to hold up their spork.

>paradox is involved
Yeah yeah we get it. You don't understand what's going on.

Let me ask you this. Have you ever been to a LARP? MET? Do you have any idea what kind of people are into this setting, and have been into it for years? A great many more years than you, some guy that only knows of one, maybe two games from the license. This ain't just your NEET, grognard crowd. Deal with it. If you can get past it, like a big boy, there's a great deal of lore and backstory that's quite fascinating.
Ghost Riley - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 01:45:42 EST ID:T6MhRsNG No.733985 Ignore Report Reply
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>Have you ever been to a LARP? MET? Do you have any idea what kind of people are into this setting, and have been into it for years?

This is really a great point that needs to get brought up more. The people complaining about dumb shit like "trannies" and "SJWs" in a FUCKING WORLD OF DARKNESS GAME can be completely ignored, they clearly have no fucking idea what they are talking about. If either of those things gets you worked up into an autistic neckbeard rage, then this is clearly not the game or setting for you.
Serious Sam - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 03:27:58 EST ID:RjMjoREJ No.733993 Ignore Report Reply
You would need that McDonalds clown on your team
Isaac Clarke - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:27:45 EST ID:H3cEG08e No.734004 Ignore Report Reply
It's amusing the people who are complaining about Paradox as if any publisher is good.
Barry Burton - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:19:51 EST ID:xiGHuodJ No.734007 Ignore Report Reply
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>So you WANT an lolSORANDUM fishmalk?

Dude out of everything the gamers RISE UP crowd are screeching about, that's the one that really gets my goat. Apparently being totally unhinged is all about teh penguin of d00m rawr means I love you in dinosaur type shit and anything else is the devs "censoring themselves to appease the TRANNY snowflake SJWs"
Haggar - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:32:21 EST ID:qSiCLraI No.734008 Ignore Report Reply
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I can see this game being unintentionally a favorite by the alt right even though its made by SJWs, since its likely you will be able to murder black shemales on the streets. First one of its kind for sure.
The Prince - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:40:46 EST ID:K0lo1bml No.734009 Ignore Report Reply
Watch_Dogs did it first brother, but it didn't last long cause it turned out to be a shitty game and being able to do constroversial stuff isn't able to prop up a game
Jame Soloman - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:57:11 EST ID:UcENjjuY No.734010 Ignore Report Reply
Yeah this.
Also who the hell gets their fun out of killing NPC's in video games.
Haggar - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:15:40 EST ID:qSiCLraI No.734012 Ignore Report Reply

Isn't killing NPC's in video games the point of like 80% of them?
Jame Soloman - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:59:23 EST ID:UcENjjuY No.734014 Ignore Report Reply
NPC's in video games generally refers to the non-hostile or friendly entities, otherwise they're simply enemies.
Norton Mapes - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:12:04 EST ID:1PRipo9X No.734015 Ignore Report Reply
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>when I'm fine with every weird goth-adjacent 90s subculture under the sun being depicted in my corny (I loved the original but come on) vampire game but have to boycott it out of principle because there might be a black trans person in it, which is in fact cultural stalinist propaganda invented by the Frankfurt School (aka the KGB, aka Agarthan molemen)
Norton Mapes - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:16:33 EST ID:1PRipo9X No.734016 Ignore Report Reply
Sorry, molepeople. Mods please don't send me to the masonic reeducation camps
Ultros - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:09:45 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.734018 Ignore Report Reply
Who would have thought... the alt-right fagshits are the REAL fishmalks.
M'Aiq the Liar - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 19:03:36 EST ID:HVlnnNcy No.734041 Ignore Report Reply
WOD has always massively pandered to goths and people who wanted to be goths and bloodlines dialled that up to 11[ 13 or 666 depending on the sort of goth you are. I'd say it's the cross section who like RPGs and shit but actually that's a very large number of goths, much like those who are generally pretty relaxed when it comes to people not being rigid about gender norms.

It's weird that some people can get so upset and self righteous about something they don't even understand.

Got to admit I know goths better than I know WOD (though I know more than just the bloodlines game) but having played bloodlines I can't see how it could have pandered to my trenchcoat wearing friends any harder.
Tweak n Twitch - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:51:10 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734066 Ignore Report Reply
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I'm hoping for some more Ministry, maybe some Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly. The first track solid for capturing the gothpunk early 2000s atmosphere perfectly. I'm sure as a modern track it'll have more electronic stuff but captures gothpunk in the Final(er) Nights.

>pic related
Shut up jolly african-american

THANK you lol
Tweak n Twitch - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:06:51 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734067 Ignore Report Reply
I am so glad they are doing clan DLC. The fact they had only 5 clans on the site worries me I won't see my Lasombra character option ever. I hope this means clan questlines are important with individual primogen you get to meet because vampires are very Clan over Sect.

There is an official Discord now btw https://discord.gg/sSEscKv
I'm Alexia Liddle
Tweak n Twitch - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:14:56 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734068 Ignore Report Reply
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Btw you forgot to add how there are already Muslim vampires as that is literally what Assamites are lol.
Isaac - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:18:00 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.734072 Ignore Report Reply

Tweak n Twitch - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:22:47 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734074 Ignore Report Reply
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Lol jk I'm Anarch bitch
Cranky Kong - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:41:52 EST ID:xiGHuodJ No.734076 Ignore Report Reply
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>the year is 2021-2 Anno Domini
>these disgusting non-Camarilla filth think they have a right to exist

Patrolling the sewers almost makes you wish for Gehenna
Pigma Dengar - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:57:05 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.734078 Ignore Report Reply
I'm so thankful I didn't have to suffer these cocksuckers back then. Imagine Deus Ex, Starcraft, Age of Empires, KOTOR, Planescape, Baldur's Gate and so on all getting shit on by these screeching goddamn retards because it doesn't pander enough to their specific retarded view.

There are also gypsy vampires, but nobody on earth ever mentions Ravnos. And the Hashishin Assamites also barely get any mention in a lot of places either. Or the Setites, which are some kinda retarded imo Egyptboo clan that turned into the voodoo priests clan. And the Giovanni is basically just the American mafia clan. I think that the reason we never saw much beyond the Camarilla and Sabbat is becuse the others are basically just ethnic stereotypes, whereas all of the other clans are more like archetypes. Kindred of the East was kind of the same way, except with their vampires being not the same and having different weird shapeshifters and such.

But man, I will say that playing as Malkavian your first time is a blast because if you didn't actually know the lore about Hengyokai you'd see the one scene and go what the fuck is happening. I think that as any other clan fighting a giant shark monster would be pretty retarded, but playing as that one specific clan is just like okay I'll roll with it.
Pigma Dengar - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:00:55 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.734080 Ignore Report Reply
Deus Ex also did that. There were a number of games that used the whole Matrix trenchcoat goth hacker type thing. Sadly now all of that turned into emo and iPods, and then just got even worse from there until we have these cringey faggots whining about a fucking WoD game of all things not being Nazi and conformist enough and everyone going to make some garbage phone applications in San Francisco. I hate this century. You know what the world ended in 1999 and this is actually hell.
Tweak n Twitch - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:19:26 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734083 Ignore Report Reply
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Settites are Egyptian cultists who act like gangsters and use drugs and sex to get willing followers.

Giovanni are incestuous necromancer mobsters.

Ravnos are dumb

LOL yep...
Isaac - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:44:55 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.734086 Ignore Report Reply
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They should rewrite the ethnically-stupidly-written clans as in-universe unreliable information.
Let's face it, both the Camarilla and the Sabbat are run by old white folks, so of course they're going to have dumb outdated racist ideas on vampires outside the West.

It'd be a great concept to explore since we'll be playing a young vampire that grew up in today's society.

Also, it'll trigger those stormfront wankers, and anything to trigger some alts.
Cloud Strife - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 00:32:10 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.734107 Ignore Report Reply
Pretty much what I said

No, doing anything solely to "trigger" some other idpol faggot is in equal measure it's own faggotry. Just ignore it.

As for the clans I should add I forgot about the Lasombra, who are pretty much Italian and possibly sometimes Spanish Roman Catholic vampires, and Tzimisce, which are pretty much Slav vampires. Which frankly does make sense in a degree with not just the usual old world travel issues but also the fact half to two thirds of that time the cainites cant really get around.

All that being stated they at least had somewhat rectified a bit of it with for example the Giovanni having the Scottish Milliners and some South American death magicians and that's quite possibly the most incestuous cultish one of them all that actually bothers to recruit their own in-house which is something the other clans don't do. Hence, having shit like Haitian voodoo priests somehow being involved in Egyptian larpers. But see the thing is you can't do away with their essential flavor much of which is pretty much ethnic. The Toreador, Gangrel, Nosferatu, Malkavians, Ventrue, Tremere, and to great extent the Tzimisce and Lasombra dont suffer from this specifically because they represent archetypes and so for example the central European wizards thing is largely washed away in Tremere with the focus also more on vampiric stereotypes as each clan's weakness and character. I think the Assamite at least had more of themselves and less the Muslims with fangs issue.

Also the Giovanni remind me of Mormons.
Gary Oak - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:04:55 EST ID:UcENjjuY No.734123 Ignore Report Reply
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I just want some Cappadocians so I can play as a qt zombie goth vampire
Gravelord Nito - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 12:32:35 EST ID:DJg5qqEs No.734137 Ignore Report Reply
abusing innocent NPCs gives me a half-boner sometimes, especially if they're women

I'm not even saying this to be edgy. I hate this about myself.
Cloud Strife - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:16:17 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.734169 Ignore Report Reply
You know, that game got a lot of things wrong soundtrack was amazing though but the format was certainly not one of them. You actually had a coterie which while cainites are solitary predators is actually how the tabletop is supposed to be played but most importantly it takes place across time as well as space. The biggest problem with VTMB was that it took place over the course of what feels like a very crazy weekend and where someone a seemingly high generation neonate who's weak af mysteriously comes to be kicking the ass of some pretty old as fuck vampire elders. You start the game with a couple of dots and by the end go crashing through shit like a 7th gen with very little time in between.

What VtMR got right was that you gradually become more badass and get more skill points over the course of centuries. This is the number 1 thing I'd like to see again: being an old ass vampire embraced centuries ago with the game taking place over the span of 2-3 different time periods and perhaps sleeping into torpor between some. Like just imagine if you're a vampire who gets embraced sometime in the 8th century, say during the Arab siege of Byzantium/Constantinople. Then a lot of shit happens where you're an errand boy for some elders for awhile. Or maybe even set the game back during Carthage, and then you wake up in the siege of the Byzantine empire, or your sire is actually someone from Carthage who is still supremely butthurt about it (either as a clan who ruled it or a group that saw it fall and is butthurt it was even attempted in the first place). And then you finally go into torpor and wake up just briefly enough somewhere in the 12th century to see the first crusades, and finally going into torpor again during the anarch revolt, then you wake up again perhaps finding yourself a stowaway on some museum piece sarcophagus shipped to New York or Philedelphia or something or in Europe and maybe then a plot point is dealing with the aftermath of the formation of the Sabbat. You do a bunch of stuff establishing your network more and embrace a new childe before say the Regolution in France or America once again nearly kills you to permadeath and you slip into torpor. Then you finish the game once your loyal childe finds you (or attempts to diablerize you) in the late 20th/early 21st century, and arise out of torpor as finally some really old ass vampire who can paste just about anyone and finally uncovered a great number of mysteries and conspiracies but you still end up realizing how much you're a pawn of other, far more ancient and eldritch forces. Now THAT would be a vampire game.
Kaebora Gaepora - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:33:29 EST ID:T6MhRsNG No.734175 Ignore Report Reply
>The biggest problem with VTMB was that it took place over the course of what feels like a very crazy weekend and where someone a seemingly high generation neonate who's weak af mysteriously comes to be kicking the ass of some pretty old as fuck vampire elders. You start the game with a couple of dots and by the end go crashing through shit like a 7th gen with very little time in between.

It is canon that Cain himself was purposefully empowering you, just because he was bored and wanted to get Gehenna started for a little change of pace. Also Cain is the taxi driver
Farnham The Town Drunk - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:38:34 EST ID:cqXHNMKT No.734177 Ignore Report Reply
If your Malk, can't you confront him over that?
Kaebora Gaepora - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:45:13 EST ID:T6MhRsNG No.734178 Ignore Report Reply

I don't think "confront" is the right word, more react in horror and terror at his presence.
Farnham The Town Drunk - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:57:22 EST ID:cqXHNMKT No.734180 Ignore Report Reply
Heh, fair point.
Heihachi Mishima - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 20:47:11 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.734211 Ignore Report Reply
You know, the powergamer in me has to ask...

...you think we'll be able to diablerize?

I know, I know. It's against the rules. But Tremere tho.
Magus - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 21:41:34 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.734214 Ignore Report Reply
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Yeah I'm aware of that handwave explanation. It's an extremely lazy as fuck explanation for why game mechanics don't match up in any conceivable way with WoD lore itself.

"Confront" is an interesting choice of words. You most certainly do guess at it in the end of the game when decided where to tell the cab driver to take you, but who would try to confront him to begin with instead of shake in fear? Also while you can't guess at it as any other clan, you can also use Auspex to see a Cainite aura. Also because one of the game files is labelled cain. A Malkavian also IIRC doesn't actually *say* this explicitly but more it seems to be one dialogue option as a guess. I seem to remember it being pretty open ended in the dialogue as Malk.

Drinking their soul I'm actually guessing not but like I was saying earlier it would be a perfectly sensible way to turn a thinblood neonate into a leveling up powerhouse. Otherwise funnily enough you technically do go throughout VtMR and VtMB diablerizing since you can roll a successful grab and drain hostile vampires. It actually would be a neat option to have it officially added as like a morality choice or something to give you a different story branch, but one that's the equivalent of the very evil story path since it automatically disqualifies you from Golconda, earns an immediate final death warrant on your ass from any non-Sabbat, can actually be seen by anyone with a few levels in Auspex and Auspex is a pretty common discipline, and to top it all off if you try pulling this shit on an old enough and strong willed enough vampire he can make you a prisoner in your own body and hijack you. This in fact is a plot piece in one final nights scenario and is also the alleged fate of a few would be diablerizers, including possibly Giovanni. It's also been alleged that Malkav literally *is* the whispers themselves and so lives on as a hivemind inside every last Malkavian for those that don't know the lore, Malkavians are infamous for embracing tons of new childer and abandoning them not just out of caprice but because of the theory that if they create enough of themselves and thin the blood out enough Malkav will be too weakened to take over and consume the entirety of clan Malkavian in the final nights.

I personally think it would be cool to add this, but it'd probably be a lot of work to introduce a mechanic that literally only gets you the bad ending. Although since you're starting out as a shovelhead I guess it might be seen as more forgiveable or easily overlooked than starting as an unsanctioned Camerilla, in which case you'd be interacting with people constantly who could see the black veins in your aura.
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 23:05:55 EST ID:Z0dPgELv No.734218 Ignore Report Reply
I'm gonna be that guy, and I'm sorry, but I'm the asshole lore purist and whatnot. It wasn't Caine. White Wolf even said it as soon as they found out what Troika was trying to do. Caine wasn't even in America at the time of Bloodlines.
Heihachi Mishima - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:10:17 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.734219 Ignore Report Reply
Don't forget how Vlad Tepes diablerized like three vampires of increasing older age to avoid the whole getting taken over by an elder problem, also the theory that the Tremere diablerie was actually planned by the Antediluvian they diablerized, allowing him to control multiple bloodlines and pretend to be dead.
Heihachi Mishima - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:21:37 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.734220 Ignore Report Reply
This talk of Vlad and medieval Tzimisce reminds me, there's a church sized fleshcrafted Tzimisce ghoul somewhere that just teleports around the wordl. A church made of living flesh that eats humans and vampires alike. It was made in medieval times as a weapon, but it ate its creator and has gone feral.
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:38:56 EST ID:Z0dPgELv No.734223 Ignore Report Reply
Always loved how Saulot was playing 4D chess against them mages and his kindred. Guy's friggin Howland Reed levels of planning and puppet mastery.
Also, why are we talking in spoilers about a game setting that's been done and in the books since 2003?
Magus - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:52:08 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.734227 Ignore Report Reply
I thought that that thing was actually some kind of elder? I couldn't remember if it was supposedly the founder of Tzimisce or one of his childer or at most 5th gen if not something that could remember Enoch.

I never understood what was meant to be just Tremere propaganda and what was genuinely true of that clan's dickery, which I think was done on purpose. Still I like the Jesus vampires. And IIRC one of the endtimes scenarios actually had you somehow getting eaten by the Cathedral of Flesh and communing with Saulot's diablerized mind.

Also, because not everyone has bothered reading all the lore.
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:13:33 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734262 Ignore Report Reply
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>They should rewrite the ethnically-stupidly-written clans as in-universe unreliable information.
Iirc they did for v5, at least Ravnos I know was overhauled for being pointless and semi racist.

Yeet yeet

>Intense lore discussion
Mah lorefags <3
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 13:20:49 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734266 Ignore Report Reply
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Balls deep into this hour long Bloodlines 2 dev interview.

I really like what the Swedish guys are saying. Games being made by people who love pen and paper RPGs, dude even runs groups himself, they're gonna support modding like with 1 acknowledges the mod community.

Also like that host girl said its a resurgence in tabletop and RPGs sorta going on rn. My hope is this release also means a resurgence in the World of Darkness tabletop. So hard to find local groups to the point I learned STing just so I could get people to play so I could lol. I hope this new games mean some new players for me to kill ST for.
Hope Estheium - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 01:03:17 EST ID:b7BhnjBH No.734330 Ignore Report Reply
I spent so much time reading yall replies, I just really hope this game turns out good.

If it has muslim transsexuals from Transylvania, it's very likely to make my bread rise to the occasion.

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