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Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 Ignore Report Reply
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 01:10:11 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733787
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This is the best gaming news I've heard in a while. Huge fan of the original and the /tg/ RPG which the game got me into HEAVILY. If youre a poor soul who has no idea what Vampire is imagine vampires really existed only after the inquisition they used science and the enlightenment to debunk themselves to control and feed off humanity from the shadows. This is what is called the Masquerade, the organization of vampires into the modern nights, an underworld in this World of Darkness.

This ain't no sparkling vampires, this is punk rocker street thug vampires, shadow weaver vampires, mentally insane vampires, fleshcrafting shapeshifting vampires, blood magick vampires all each of unique clans for you to play with their own motivations. Hopefully you can even play the game as any sect, Camarilla, Sabbat, Anarch, or independent and it uses what made the original game great and innovates while sticking to the classic World of Darkness lore.

Theres a lot I can tell you guys from this trailer as someone obsessed with the lore of VtM which is, imo, the best lore in ALL of gaming. It takes place in Seattle in modern times with you pitted between the alliances of an impending vampire civil war over control of the cities blood trade. It seems to be a Camarilla city due to the possibly Toreador Prince in the trailer. Might also be a Gehenna story since the giant blood tsunamis.

I'm hyped! No one was expecting this news tho come to think of it I'm not too surprised because Paradox owns White Wolf and has been trying to make a World of Darkness MMO for a minute. I really hope they dont fuck this up. Sorry for nerding out a bit I'm obsessed with Vampire to the point I wrote chronicles that are a universe within the WoD universe, lemme breath into a bag and calm down lol.

Its a good time to be alive! (Well dead in this case)
Kraid - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 01:12:21 EST ID:K0lo1bml No.733788 Ignore Report Reply
>Paradox interactive
Ah, fuck
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 03:15:06 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733793 Ignore Report Reply
On the bright side White Wolf as a subsidiary has held firmly onto their World of Darkness title and has autonomy over it and will likely get main say in the dev.

Remember they made VtM with their own video game dev and did amazing things so if paradox is smart they won't change anything here.
Crash Bandicoot - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 03:58:42 EST ID:cqXHNMKT No.733799 Ignore Report Reply
What, you'd rather have Activision handle it?
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 04:11:46 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733800 Ignore Report Reply
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So apparently they're going to let you make trap and transpiers complete with pronoun choices for the dialogue. Before you get all scurred this means its some sjw shill the game is a gothpunk setting and its based on a tabletop game that level of customization should be there politics or not.

On the bright side we can ressurect the old Dracula Penis meme.
Joanna Dark - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 04:54:28 EST ID:KPChXmhP No.733801 Ignore Report Reply
Holy fuck, I loved bloodlines. Picked it up as a teen for $2 used at a shop, even the clerk reacted to that it was a good deal. Played the shit out of it. Hit me right in the leftover early teen edge too. Getting time for a replay.
Hope I'll be able to play it, my computers kinda sucky.
Kolyat Krios - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 08:12:33 EST ID:zRMIfnL5 No.733809 Ignore Report Reply
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Chris Avellone confirmed to be working on it in some capacity so expect him to smack you in the face with his giant gray morality dick

He also relayed info from a Paradox project manager that there's no Epic Games shenanigans (it's already got a listing on Steam) and you can also get it on GOG and other platforms
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 09:32:43 EST ID:O7PpAS3S No.733815 Ignore Report Reply
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Preordered last night. I've played WoD PnP since 96. I purchased both Redemption, Bloodlines, and the Hunter game all at launch, and this will be no different. So hyped. Especially once I saw Mitsoda and Avellone were back on board.
Spinal - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 09:48:59 EST ID:xiGHuodJ No.733816 Ignore Report Reply
Not to piss on the parade but we've been expecting something VtM for a bit now. Paradox had their Tender ARG going on for a month or two at this point. We didn't know it was gonna be a sequel, but yeah.

Anyway I'm wicked stoked about this. I can't wait until they start showing off gameplay.
Cid - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:41:48 EST ID:B8Sy1Aw2 No.733820 Ignore Report Reply
Yeaaaah except that the problem is it still actually makes no fucking sense in a WoD vampire game because cainites dont even care about sex. You could at best make some half baked argument about they switched genders before embrace, because a vampire is literally a reanimated corpse with no real biological function. And it would have to happen before the embrace because if you chopped your dick off it would just grow back.

The he only exception are Tzimisce who often fleshcraft themselves so much they're no longer recognizable as male, female, or even human, unless you had one who fancied changing its gender appearance whenever. This would also be funny because that clan is pretty much the most completely evil and inhuman out of all 13 who openly embrace being monstrous. Just about anything else would be canon breaking and fucking retard. I can deal with it if it actually makes sense in the lore, and not just some stupid lore breaking bullshit some retard wanted to shoehorn in there, especially if it's a Mary sue or self insert of some dev. The fundamental nature of the Cainite is being frozen in time as a blood drinking selfish corpse.

>Chris Avellone confirmed to be working on it in some capacity so expect him to smack you in the face with his giant gray morality dick
Damn well better be. VtM was also about shades of grey and trying not to give in to your inner demons too much. Anything that has straight good morality doesn't fit the setting at all.
Kraid - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:41:57 EST ID:K0lo1bml No.733821 Ignore Report Reply
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I don't know, I guess the last 11 years of modern gaming has made me jaded and cynical but I feel a bad omen about this, will modern audiences care about a new VTM? Is Paradox planning to cater to the modern audience like they have with Hoi4, Imperator and stellaris? I don't know fella's, maybe it's better to let old games lie, instead of bringing them up to a modern standard where they have a high chanceof being butchered beyond unrecognizability to the point where the game doesn't even look like its part of the same franchise, I hope they keep the depth and complexity of the first but I just don't trust them anymore.
Cid - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:52:28 EST ID:B8Sy1Aw2 No.733823 Ignore Report Reply
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Well idk. It is such a cult classic that way more people probably first played it long after the release. Plus it's probably not actually been enough time for the people who first played it to be too old to care about that shit. And the fact a lot of people might just be adults with their own money. One thing I give Paradox credit for is they specialize in pretty niche games, like city building simulators, grand strategy/4x, and crpgs. So will they pander to the retard demographic and ruin it? Who knows. But it's also not being developed by Paradox it's being developed by some new studio founded in 2015 that doesn't look like they made any other games and https://www.hardsuitlabs.com/
Uh oh. Suddenly I've got a really bad feeling about this.
Cid - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 11:56:29 EST ID:B8Sy1Aw2 No.733824 Ignore Report Reply
Oh wait nvm I'm retarded that's the old one nb
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:07:03 EST ID:Z0dPgELv No.733827 Ignore Report Reply
>will modern audiences care about a new VTM
Forgive me for saying so, but fuck em. This isn't about "modern audiences". This is about people like us that have loved the setting and WoD for years, in some cases decades.
Diddy Kong - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 13:58:17 EST ID:+O94qaND No.733828 Ignore Report Reply
It matters if you want a VtM 3
Bullet Bill - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:00:38 EST ID:1PRipo9X No.733829 Ignore Report Reply
Going to make a bold claim based on the wisdoms I have gleaned from years of solitary meditation on a mountaintop: sometimes not everything is black or white... sometimes, it's a mix of those two colors. Equally, the game might be good, or it might be bad, or it might even be somewhere in between... Namaste...
Richter Belmont - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:35:44 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.733830 Ignore Report Reply
If 2 gets made specifically to cater to those people then no I don't want a 3
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 15:39:26 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733832 Ignore Report Reply
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Its your Vampire lore master OP back with more vampire autism.


OK so appearntly Beckett's Jyhad Diary and the new v5 tabletop (which the new game is based on and was developed around the same time as) canonizes some lore after the first game. Mainly thin bloods are their own "clan" and less sucky now, Gehenna is real is the form of social collapse, and Tremere split into factions.

Bad news: Jacks dead :(
Good news: Terese and Jeanette Voremann are alive and prospering

I really hope they give you real Sabbat options in this one. Especially since House Goratrix of clan Tremere is their own Sabbat faction, that should be cool.
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 15:45:49 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733833 Ignore Report Reply
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Also lmao idk why but I read >vampire PNP and for a sec thought of gay vampire meth sex lol.

Like damn dude your games must be fun!
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 15:58:17 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733834 Ignore Report Reply
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I see you care about lore too! Tbh v5 lore is something I'm already uneasy with. With what youre saying I doubt genitals will be an issue since like you said sex is basically a tool to the kindred as its one not the ecstasy of the Kiss, two expends blood to even become non corpse like enough for sex.

Its just going to allow the dialogue to respond to he she or they regardless of the characters sex which is a minor scripting option. All RPGs have gendered replys this just allows players to choose theirs, its a very mild detail that if it makes someone happy I say so be it.

>Btw pic is me outside this thread and cWoD Hub
Meldrig Fillergran - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 16:28:17 EST ID:N+RVH8Fe No.733835 Ignore Report Reply
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first System Shock 1 & 2 Remake and now this?

this gonna be gud!
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:21:33 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733836 Ignore Report Reply
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That Toreador thot is confirmed alive in the VtM mobile game iirc.
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 17:27:43 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733837 Ignore Report Reply
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Oh btw in v5 lore the Masquerade has been broken to a degree as technology has progressed. The NSA Paranormal Research Division and The Society of Leopold have always known about kindred to a degree but it seems to be the Imbued (those woke about the supernatural) are in larger degree in the current night.

So I wonder how the game will handle The Second Inquisition aspect as well as if a player can play a Sabbat with the new Masquerade system (if there even is one).
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 18:36:51 EST ID:O7PpAS3S No.733841 Ignore Report Reply
Does anyone have a link to the Discord that I keep hearing about and accidently leaked everything?
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:18:04 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.733846 Ignore Report Reply
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Lolwut?! I want this too.

I'll check my resources but if you find it before me post the link here please bro.
Archangel Tyrael - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:32:39 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.733847 Ignore Report Reply
Instead of a mission where you're chased by werewolves or ghosts, instead you're chased by fucking humans in power armour.

Like seriously, that black ops power armour the US government has, absolutely destroys. You have to attack those lads with SQUADS of combat-specced vampires.
Mokes - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 19:45:26 EST ID:yJ2HvjAB No.733849 Ignore Report Reply
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The original composer is also back!
Sagat - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 20:03:12 EST ID:xiGHuodJ No.733851 Ignore Report Reply


It's not the one that leaked everything because that one doesn't exist anymore (it was the original official discord but it went live early so they just nuked everything, links to that version don't work anymore) but this is the current official discord for it, if you still wanted to check a look.
Sagat - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 20:21:14 EST ID:xiGHuodJ No.733854 Ignore Report Reply
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Oh, nb but also the official website is running some shit leading up to the release that nets you in-game items. All free, like right now you just need to poke around the website and find some (pretty poorly) hidden blood bags. The clans section is pretty sparse but has a picture for each of the ones in the base game (and I assume the bonus is gonna be your player home) so you can get a pretty good idea of who we'll get to pick from. My guesses would be Toreador, Ventrue, Malkavian, Tremere, Nosferatu, and Brujah, personally.


You guys should also download that Tender ARG I mentioned earlier if you bother going for the unlocks and shit, you get some points from doing that as well and everything has been figured out so it'll take ~10 minutes to do. If nothing else it's neat to fiddle with for a couple minutes, supposed to be an in-universe dating app designed to lure really lonely people into meeting in secret (EG, by yourself and don't tell anyone you're going) with their "soulmate" who is just a vampire waiting to drain them.
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 21:38:32 EST ID:Z0dPgELv No.733861 Ignore Report Reply
You're a gentleman an a scholar.
Jesus Christ this game keeps getting better and better.

For you, Mr Tweak and Twitch, I haven't gotten to play or look over V5. What's changed, and what's going on with the plot? Judging from what I'm seeing around the net the old metaplot is back sort of?
Goemon - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:39:25 EST ID:vrQiXcHX No.733867 Ignore Report Reply
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Your picture made this incredibly misleading.

Here I am excited about adorable 2D kyuuketsuki-con aesthetic. Watch the video and it was nothing like that.
Four - Fri, 22 Mar 2019 22:44:11 EST ID:gsvxpxbR No.733868 Ignore Report Reply
I am feeling very cautious about this. I dont know what to expect even after watching the trailer, but i will keep my mind open to new ideas.
Naija - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 03:29:41 EST ID:93voU8ra No.733873 Ignore Report Reply
I envy your ability to get excited about this game before it releases. Loved the first one, played it many times. I'll probably play this a year or two after it comes out.
Ibuki - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 06:04:52 EST ID:H3cEG08e No.733877 Ignore Report Reply
They need to rehire the guy who did the soundtrack for the first game.
Sagat - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 11:26:53 EST ID:xiGHuodJ No.733892 Ignore Report Reply
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They did. See: >>733849
Ibuki - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 11:37:30 EST ID:H3cEG08e No.733894 Ignore Report Reply

That's badass.
Anton Slavic - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 19:13:14 EST ID:FnQhUnkm No.733902 Ignore Report Reply
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My 14 year old self just got a huge RPG boner
deBlob - Sat, 23 Mar 2019 23:49:17 EST ID:ROe2hAK3 No.733932 Ignore Report Reply
Is there a background option for streetkids, gutterpunks, and hippies?
Mr. X - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 05:28:26 EST ID:KPChXmhP No.733939 Ignore Report Reply
I was listening to the bloodlines OST just yesterday cause this thread reminded me of it, didn't even consider that he could make the new one as well.
Siegfried Schtauffen - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 07:41:36 EST ID:4VPVikJ9 No.733944 Ignore Report Reply
Looks like 2019 and 2020 are shaping up to be heavy-hitter years for fans of the RPG genre :]
Four - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 17:00:29 EST ID:hpg1iQOW No.733962 Ignore Report Reply
Would you hate me if I said the most I’m looking forward to is the New System Shock remake?
Donkey Kong - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 19:47:37 EST ID:qSiCLraI No.733970 Ignore Report Reply
>paradox involved, so $900 of future dlc confirmed
>only 1 person from the first game is involved
>made by reminiscents of a dead crappy company who made no good games
>paradox is involved
>made by SJW that will let you choose over 50 pronouns
>1 year preorder with no gameplay released
>trans muslim vampires
>malkavians not crazy enough cause making fun of mental illness is offensive
>paradox is involved

Nope. Though I guess seeing a game with trans vampires is gonna be pretty
unintentionally funny. Insane that the game is already on steam top sales when we know so little about it, there's no gameplay trailer and is made by a completelly different team.

I mean that's like me putting a mcdonalds sign in front of my door and selling bigmac 2 even though i never cooked in my life, but people love that big mac so they just come and preorder 20 of them anyway before i even open up.
Gannondorf - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:02:39 EST ID:w5O8WO5d No.733974 Ignore Report Reply
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>This ain't no sparkling vampires, this is punk rocker street thug vampires
lol ok
Rinoa Heartilly - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 20:41:55 EST ID:zRMIfnL5 No.733976 Ignore Report Reply
Brad Vickers - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:33:33 EST ID:G9vm2/oh No.733977 Ignore Report Reply
you don't need any cooking experience to make a big mac dude
Kid Ying - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 21:53:13 EST ID:OH/OGlHP No.733978 Ignore Report Reply
you're confusing paradox the publisher with paradox the developers, paradox published games aren't dlc fests they're just cheaply churned out eurojank, expect it to come out broken but with flashes of potential and then not get any patches or dlc whatsoever.
Norton Mapes - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:26:20 EST ID:1PRipo9X No.733979 Ignore Report Reply
I guess they have a bunch of smaller published games like that, but it doesn't really fit a lot of their more recent, higher profile stuff. The Pillars of Eternity games, for instance, were generally polished and had a couple decent-sized expansion packs. Hell, they even added a turn-based mode to the second one. Cities Skylines is still pretty janky but got a ton of updates and DLC. I haven't revisited Battletech in a while, but I didn't have any major problems with it on release and it sounds like it was updated a decent amount. Same with Surviving Mars. But I guess we'll see.
Lord Grazel - Sun, 24 Mar 2019 22:41:20 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.733980 Ignore Report Reply
I can put up with jank as long as the rest is good. Ffs I somehow managed to beat FNV and it wasn't even that fantastic for what I put up with.
Wario - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 00:50:09 EST ID:cqXHNMKT No.733982 Ignore Report Reply
Impressive amounts of straw you got here.
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 00:51:28 EST ID:Z0dPgELv No.733983 Ignore Report Reply
Screw it. I'll bite.
>paradox involved, so $900 of future dlc confirmed
They already came out and said all Clan DLC would be free. I'm OK with this.

>made by reminiscents of a dead crappy company who made no good games
Point to you on this one. The old company that most of the guys came from doesn't have the best track record or metascore for their games.

>paradox is involved
As the publisher.

>made by SJW that will let you choose over 50 pronouns
Tzscimises everywhere will rejoice.

>1 year preorder with no gameplay released
I'm buying on brand alone, as are a lot of people. Not even the "Bloodlines" name. The "World of Darkness" name.

>trans muslim vampires
The people that penned Rudi have all been fired. A long time ago. Try harder.

>malkavians not crazy enough cause making fun of mental illness is offensive
So you WANT an lolSORANDUM fishmalk? That's not what a Malkavian is supposed to be. Really, the Bloodlines Malk is a terrible one, but sadly he's what a lot of people who don't know the setting think a Malkavian is supposed to be. Grout is a lot better example of a Malkavian than the Malk PC. But please, be that guy that wants to hold up their spork.

>paradox is involved
Yeah yeah we get it. You don't understand what's going on.

Let me ask you this. Have you ever been to a LARP? MET? Do you have any idea what kind of people are into this setting, and have been into it for years? A great many more years than you, some guy that only knows of one, maybe two games from the license. This ain't just your NEET, grognard crowd. Deal with it. If you can get past it, like a big boy, there's a great deal of lore and backstory that's quite fascinating.
Ghost Riley - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 01:45:42 EST ID:T6MhRsNG No.733985 Ignore Report Reply
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>Have you ever been to a LARP? MET? Do you have any idea what kind of people are into this setting, and have been into it for years?

This is really a great point that needs to get brought up more. The people complaining about dumb shit like "trans" and "SJWs" in a FUCKING WORLD OF DARKNESS GAME can be completely ignored, they clearly have no fucking idea what they are talking about. If either of those things gets you worked up into an autistic neckbeard rage, then this is clearly not the game or setting for you.
Serious Sam - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 03:27:58 EST ID:RjMjoREJ No.733993 Ignore Report Reply
You would need that McDonalds clown on your team
Isaac Clarke - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 05:27:45 EST ID:H3cEG08e No.734004 Ignore Report Reply
It's amusing the people who are complaining about Paradox as if any publisher is good.
Barry Burton - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:19:51 EST ID:xiGHuodJ No.734007 Ignore Report Reply
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>So you WANT an lolSORANDUM fishmalk?

Dude out of everything the gamers RISE UP crowd are screeching about, that's the one that really gets my goat. Apparently being totally unhinged is all about teh penguin of d00m rawr means I love you in dinosaur type shit and anything else is the devs "censoring themselves to appease the trans snowflake SJWs"
Haggar - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:32:21 EST ID:qSiCLraI No.734008 Ignore Report Reply
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I can see this game being unintentionally a favorite by the alt right even though its made by SJWs, since its likely you will be able to murder black shemales on the streets. First one of its kind for sure.
The Prince - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:40:46 EST ID:K0lo1bml No.734009 Ignore Report Reply
Watch_Dogs did it first brother, but it didn't last long cause it turned out to be a shitty game and being able to do constroversial stuff isn't able to prop up a game
Jame Soloman - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 08:57:11 EST ID:UcENjjuY No.734010 Ignore Report Reply
Yeah this.
Also who the hell gets their fun out of killing NPC's in video games.
Haggar - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:15:40 EST ID:qSiCLraI No.734012 Ignore Report Reply

Isn't killing NPC's in video games the point of like 80% of them?
Jame Soloman - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 09:59:23 EST ID:UcENjjuY No.734014 Ignore Report Reply
NPC's in video games generally refers to the non-hostile or friendly entities, otherwise they're simply enemies.
Norton Mapes - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:12:04 EST ID:1PRipo9X No.734015 Ignore Report Reply
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>when I'm fine with every weird goth-adjacent 90s subculture under the sun being depicted in my corny (I loved the original but come on) vampire game but have to boycott it out of principle because there might be a black trans person in it, which is in fact cultural stalinist propaganda invented by the Frankfurt School (aka the KGB, aka Agarthan molemen)
Norton Mapes - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 10:16:33 EST ID:1PRipo9X No.734016 Ignore Report Reply
Sorry, molepeople. Mods please don't send me to the masonic reeducation camps
Ultros - Mon, 25 Mar 2019 16:09:45 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.734018 Ignore Report Reply
Who would have thought... the alt-right fagshits are the REAL fishmalks.
M'Aiq the Liar - Tue, 26 Mar 2019 19:03:36 EST ID:HVlnnNcy No.734041 Ignore Report Reply
WOD has always massively pandered to goths and people who wanted to be goths and bloodlines dialled that up to 11[ 13 or 666 depending on the sort of goth you are. I'd say it's the cross section who like RPGs and shit but actually that's a very large number of goths, much like those who are generally pretty relaxed when it comes to people not being rigid about gender norms.

It's weird that some people can get so upset and self righteous about something they don't even understand.

Got to admit I know goths better than I know WOD (though I know more than just the bloodlines game) but having played bloodlines I can't see how it could have pandered to my trenchcoat wearing friends any harder.
Tweak n Twitch - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 14:51:10 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734066 Ignore Report Reply
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I'm hoping for some more Ministry, maybe some Skinny Puppy, Front Line Assembly. The first track solid for capturing the gothpunk early 2000s atmosphere perfectly. I'm sure as a modern track it'll have more electronic stuff but captures gothpunk in the Final(er) Nights.

>pic related
Shut up jolly african-american

THANK you lol
Tweak n Twitch - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:06:51 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734067 Ignore Report Reply
I am so glad they are doing clan DLC. The fact they had only 5 clans on the site worries me I won't see my Lasombra character option ever. I hope this means clan questlines are important with individual primogen you get to meet because vampires are very Clan over Sect.

There is an official Discord now btw https://discord.gg/sSEscKv
I'm Alexia Liddle
Tweak n Twitch - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 15:14:56 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734068 Ignore Report Reply
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Btw you forgot to add how there are already Muslim vampires as that is literally what Assamites are lol.
Isaac - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:18:00 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.734072 Ignore Report Reply

Tweak n Twitch - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:22:47 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734074 Ignore Report Reply
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Lol jk I'm Anarch bitch
Cranky Kong - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:41:52 EST ID:xiGHuodJ No.734076 Ignore Report Reply
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>the year is 2021-2 Anno Domini
>these disgusting non-Camarilla filth think they have a right to exist

Patrolling the sewers almost makes you wish for Gehenna
Pigma Dengar - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 16:57:05 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.734078 Ignore Report Reply
I'm so thankful I didn't have to suffer these cocksuckers back then. Imagine Deus Ex, Starcraft, Age of Empires, KOTOR, Planescape, Baldur's Gate and so on all getting shit on by these screeching goddamn retards because it doesn't pander enough to their specific retarded view.

There are also gypsy vampires, but nobody on earth ever mentions Ravnos. And the Hashishin Assamites also barely get any mention in a lot of places either. Or the Setites, which are some kinda retarded imo Egyptboo clan that turned into the voodoo priests clan. And the Giovanni is basically just the American mafia clan. I think that the reason we never saw much beyond the Camarilla and Sabbat is becuse the others are basically just ethnic stereotypes, whereas all of the other clans are more like archetypes. Kindred of the East was kind of the same way, except with their vampires being not the same and having different weird shapeshifters and such.

But man, I will say that playing as Malkavian your first time is a blast because if you didn't actually know the lore about Hengyokai you'd see the one scene and go what the fuck is happening. I think that as any other clan fighting a giant shark monster would be pretty retarded, but playing as that one specific clan is just like okay I'll roll with it.
Pigma Dengar - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:00:55 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.734080 Ignore Report Reply
Deus Ex also did that. There were a number of games that used the whole Matrix trenchcoat goth hacker type thing. Sadly now all of that turned into emo and iPods, and then just got even worse from there until we have these cringey faggots whining about a fucking WoD game of all things not being Nazi and conformist enough and everyone going to make some garbage phone applications in San Francisco. I hate this century. You know what the world ended in 1999 and this is actually hell.
Tweak n Twitch - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 17:19:26 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734083 Ignore Report Reply
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Settites are Egyptian cultists who act like gangsters and use drugs and sex to get willing followers.

Giovanni are incestuous necromancer mobsters.

Ravnos are dumb

LOL yep...
Isaac - Wed, 27 Mar 2019 18:44:55 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.734086 Ignore Report Reply
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They should rewrite the ethnically-stupidly-written clans as in-universe unreliable information.
Let's face it, both the Camarilla and the Sabbat are run by old white folks, so of course they're going to have dumb outdated racist ideas on vampires outside the West.

It'd be a great concept to explore since we'll be playing a young vampire that grew up in today's society.

Also, it'll trigger those stormfront wankers, and anything to trigger some alts.
Cloud Strife - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 00:32:10 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.734107 Ignore Report Reply
Pretty much what I said

No, doing anything solely to "trigger" some other idpol faggot is in equal measure it's own faggotry. Just ignore it.

As for the clans I should add I forgot about the Lasombra, who are pretty much Italian and possibly sometimes Spanish Roman Catholic vampires, and Tzimisce, which are pretty much Slav vampires. Which frankly does make sense in a degree with not just the usual old world travel issues but also the fact half to two thirds of that time the cainites cant really get around.

All that being stated they at least had somewhat rectified a bit of it with for example the Giovanni having the Scottish Milliners and some South American death magicians and that's quite possibly the most incestuous cultish one of them all that actually bothers to recruit their own in-house which is something the other clans don't do. Hence, having shit like Haitian voodoo priests somehow being involved in Egyptian larpers. But see the thing is you can't do away with their essential flavor much of which is pretty much ethnic. The Toreador, Gangrel, Nosferatu, Malkavians, Ventrue, Tremere, and to great extent the Tzimisce and Lasombra dont suffer from this specifically because they represent archetypes and so for example the central European wizards thing is largely washed away in Tremere with the focus also more on vampiric stereotypes as each clan's weakness and character. I think the Assamite at least had more of themselves and less the Muslims with fangs issue.

Also the Giovanni remind me of Mormons.
Gary Oak - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 09:04:55 EST ID:UcENjjuY No.734123 Ignore Report Reply
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I just want some Cappadocians so I can play as a qt zombie goth vampire
Gravelord Nito - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 12:32:35 EST ID:DJg5qqEs No.734137 Ignore Report Reply
abusing innocent NPCs gives me a half-boner sometimes, especially if they're women

I'm not even saying this to be edgy. I hate this about myself.
Cloud Strife - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:16:17 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.734169 Ignore Report Reply
You know, that game got a lot of things wrong soundtrack was amazing though but the format was certainly not one of them. You actually had a coterie which while cainites are solitary predators is actually how the tabletop is supposed to be played but most importantly it takes place across time as well as space. The biggest problem with VTMB was that it took place over the course of what feels like a very crazy weekend and where someone a seemingly high generation neonate who's weak af mysteriously comes to be kicking the ass of some pretty old as fuck vampire elders. You start the game with a couple of dots and by the end go crashing through shit like a 7th gen with very little time in between.

What VtMR got right was that you gradually become more badass and get more skill points over the course of centuries. This is the number 1 thing I'd like to see again: being an old ass vampire embraced centuries ago with the game taking place over the span of 2-3 different time periods and perhaps sleeping into torpor between some. Like just imagine if you're a vampire who gets embraced sometime in the 8th century, say during the Arab siege of Byzantium/Constantinople. Then a lot of shit happens where you're an errand boy for some elders for awhile. Or maybe even set the game back during Carthage, and then you wake up in the siege of the Byzantine empire, or your sire is actually someone from Carthage who is still supremely butthurt about it (either as a clan who ruled it or a group that saw it fall and is butthurt it was even attempted in the first place). And then you finally go into torpor and wake up just briefly enough somewhere in the 12th century to see the first crusades, and finally going into torpor again during the anarch revolt, then you wake up again perhaps finding yourself a stowaway on some museum piece sarcophagus shipped to New York or Philedelphia or something or in Europe and maybe then a plot point is dealing with the aftermath of the formation of the Sabbat. You do a bunch of stuff establishing your network more and embrace a new childe before say the Regolution in France or America once again nearly kills you to permadeath and you slip into torpor. Then you finish the game once your loyal childe finds you (or attempts to diablerize you) in the late 20th/early 21st century, and arise out of torpor as finally some really old ass vampire who can paste just about anyone and finally uncovered a great number of mysteries and conspiracies but you still end up realizing how much you're a pawn of other, far more ancient and eldritch forces. Now THAT would be a vampire game.
Kaebora Gaepora - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:33:29 EST ID:T6MhRsNG No.734175 Ignore Report Reply
>The biggest problem with VTMB was that it took place over the course of what feels like a very crazy weekend and where someone a seemingly high generation neonate who's weak af mysteriously comes to be kicking the ass of some pretty old as fuck vampire elders. You start the game with a couple of dots and by the end go crashing through shit like a 7th gen with very little time in between.

It is canon that Cain himself was purposefully empowering you, just because he was bored and wanted to get Gehenna started for a little change of pace. Also Cain is the taxi driver
Farnham The Town Drunk - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:38:34 EST ID:cqXHNMKT No.734177 Ignore Report Reply
If your Malk, can't you confront him over that?
Kaebora Gaepora - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:45:13 EST ID:T6MhRsNG No.734178 Ignore Report Reply

I don't think "confront" is the right word, more react in horror and terror at his presence.
Farnham The Town Drunk - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 17:57:22 EST ID:cqXHNMKT No.734180 Ignore Report Reply
Heh, fair point.
Heihachi Mishima - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 20:47:11 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.734211 Ignore Report Reply
You know, the powergamer in me has to ask...

...you think we'll be able to diablerize?

I know, I know. It's against the rules. But Tremere tho.
Magus - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 21:41:34 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.734214 Ignore Report Reply
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Yeah I'm aware of that handwave explanation. It's an extremely lazy as fuck explanation for why game mechanics don't match up in any conceivable way with WoD lore itself.

"Confront" is an interesting choice of words. You most certainly do guess at it in the end of the game when decided where to tell the cab driver to take you, but who would try to confront him to begin with instead of shake in fear? Also while you can't guess at it as any other clan, you can also use Auspex to see a Cainite aura. Also because one of the game files is labelled cain. A Malkavian also IIRC doesn't actually *say* this explicitly but more it seems to be one dialogue option as a guess. I seem to remember it being pretty open ended in the dialogue as Malk.

Drinking their soul I'm actually guessing not but like I was saying earlier it would be a perfectly sensible way to turn a thinblood neonate into a leveling up powerhouse. Otherwise funnily enough you technically do go throughout VtMR and VtMB diablerizing since you can roll a successful grab and drain hostile vampires. It actually would be a neat option to have it officially added as like a morality choice or something to give you a different story branch, but one that's the equivalent of the very evil story path since it automatically disqualifies you from Golconda, earns an immediate final death warrant on your ass from any non-Sabbat, can actually be seen by anyone with a few levels in Auspex and Auspex is a pretty common discipline, and to top it all off if you try pulling this shit on an old enough and strong willed enough vampire he can make you a prisoner in your own body and hijack you. This in fact is a plot piece in one final nights scenario and is also the alleged fate of a few would be diablerizers, including possibly Giovanni. It's also been alleged that Malkav literally *is* the whispers themselves and so lives on as a hivemind inside every last Malkavian for those that don't know the lore, Malkavians are infamous for embracing tons of new childer and abandoning them not just out of caprice but because of the theory that if they create enough of themselves and thin the blood out enough Malkav will be too weakened to take over and consume the entirety of clan Malkavian in the final nights.

I personally think it would be cool to add this, but it'd probably be a lot of work to introduce a mechanic that literally only gets you the bad ending. Although since you're starting out as a shovelhead I guess it might be seen as more forgiveable or easily overlooked than starting as an unsanctioned Camerilla, in which case you'd be interacting with people constantly who could see the black veins in your aura.
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Thu, 28 Mar 2019 23:05:55 EST ID:Z0dPgELv No.734218 Ignore Report Reply
I'm gonna be that guy, and I'm sorry, but I'm the asshole lore purist and whatnot. It wasn't Caine. White Wolf even said it as soon as they found out what Troika was trying to do. Caine wasn't even in America at the time of Bloodlines.
Heihachi Mishima - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:10:17 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.734219 Ignore Report Reply
Don't forget how Vlad Tepes diablerized like three vampires of increasing older age to avoid the whole getting taken over by an elder problem, also the theory that the Tremere diablerie was actually planned by the Antediluvian they diablerized, allowing him to control multiple bloodlines and pretend to be dead.
Heihachi Mishima - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:21:37 EST ID:0z+RVgZ0 No.734220 Ignore Report Reply
This talk of Vlad and medieval Tzimisce reminds me, there's a church sized fleshcrafted Tzimisce ghoul somewhere that just teleports around the wordl. A church made of living flesh that eats humans and vampires alike. It was made in medieval times as a weapon, but it ate its creator and has gone feral.
StannisTheMannis !/R33EULsds - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:38:56 EST ID:Z0dPgELv No.734223 Ignore Report Reply
Always loved how Saulot was playing 4D chess against them mages and his kindred. Guy's friggin Howland Reed levels of planning and puppet mastery.
Also, why are we talking in spoilers about a game setting that's been done and in the books since 2003?
Magus - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 00:52:08 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.734227 Ignore Report Reply
I thought that that thing was actually some kind of elder? I couldn't remember if it was supposedly the founder of Tzimisce or one of his childer or at most 5th gen if not something that could remember Enoch.

I never understood what was meant to be just Tremere propaganda and what was genuinely true of that clan's dickery, which I think was done on purpose. Still I like the Jesus vampires. And IIRC one of the endtimes scenarios actually had you somehow getting eaten by the Cathedral of Flesh and communing with Saulot's diablerized mind.

Also, because not everyone has bothered reading all the lore.
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 11:13:33 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734262 Ignore Report Reply
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>They should rewrite the ethnically-stupidly-written clans as in-universe unreliable information.
Iirc they did for v5, at least Ravnos I know was overhauled for being pointless and semi racist.

Yeet yeet

>Intense lore discussion
Mah lorefags <3
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 29 Mar 2019 13:20:49 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.734266 Ignore Report Reply
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Balls deep into this hour long Bloodlines 2 dev interview.

I really like what the Swedish guys are saying. Games being made by people who love pen and paper RPGs, dude even runs groups himself, they're gonna support modding like with 1 acknowledges the mod community.

Also like that host girl said its a resurgence in tabletop and RPGs sorta going on rn. My hope is this release also means a resurgence in the World of Darkness tabletop. So hard to find local groups to the point I learned STing just so I could get people to play so I could lol. I hope this new games mean some new players for me to kill ST for.
Hope Estheium - Sun, 31 Mar 2019 01:03:17 EST ID:b7BhnjBH No.734330 Ignore Report Reply
I spent so much time reading yall replies, I just really hope this game turns out good.

If it has muslim transsexuals from Transylvania, it's very likely to make my bread rise to the occasion.
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:20:30 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.735724 Ignore Report Reply
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Hey guys! Wassup?

See that we've started to get clan trailers each week? First one is already confirmed Thinbloods.



This chick seems a good channel to follow for Vampire speculation. Seems toreador, ventrue, brujah, gangrel/werewolf expansion, tremere, and (I hope shes right) maybe lasombra basically confirmed. We will see in the coming weeks tho, really dig the graphic novel style clan trailers.
Bomberman - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 16:02:29 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.735727 Ignore Report Reply
Literally nobody but scumbags from pol are worried about this. And IT'S FUCKING WoD YOU STUPID FUCK WHY WOULDNT THERE BE TRANSEXUALS WHAT THE FUCK GAME DO YOU EVEN THINK THIS IS I mean holy fuck

It's like these faggots would go and whine about how some cyberpunk game is too "leftist" and too "anti-Capitalist"
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 18:41:57 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.735738 Ignore Report Reply
I can't believe no ones posted in this since I last did
Four - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 19:06:24 EST ID:2BYKCg1Y No.735741 Ignore Report Reply
We are all excited it’s just there hasn’t been any worthy new info since. But if I have to be honest, the game doesn’t have that gritty and dark look of the first one. It kinda looks like a regular ol game. Wish it had a bit more style to it.
Donkey Kong Jr. - Fri, 26 Apr 2019 20:59:03 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.735763 Ignore Report Reply
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Oh yeah and also: what is clan Assamite
retarded fuck
Tweak n Twitch - Thu, 02 May 2019 13:21:26 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.736182 Ignore Report Reply
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Kung Lao - Thu, 02 May 2019 16:35:23 EST ID:XCHiW7gO No.736190 Ignore Report Reply
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I think the style was partly due to the graphics of the time. There's a certain charm to jpeg backgrounds.
Shadow the Hedgehog - Thu, 02 May 2019 21:54:24 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.736207 Ignore Report Reply
You know I am actually worried that it's going to be shit so I haven't gotten my hopes up yet or gotten to the hype. The rare snippets of gameplay I've seen makes it look like some kind of shitty ass superhero fighting game and I gues you're supposed ot be a thinblood but in the gameplay they were doing shit like I've never seen in any disciplines and I have read a LOT of the source material. I've got gigs of the old WoD books, and I haven't seen shit like what I saw in the gameplay

So. I'll just hold my breath and wait and see.
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 03 May 2019 01:36:00 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.736219 Ignore Report Reply
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Its been confirmed you dont stay a Thinblood the full game and the only way I see that happening is an act of diablerie so there's that.

I kinda have a feeling diablerie will play into things a lot more than Bloodlines 1 considering the increased relevance in Thinbloods between v20 and v5. Also I think with the player model of the narrator character in the trailer hints at possibly being Lilith I'm more than sated on my worries at this point. I'm ready to hear what they are doing over what they *might* do. I feel you as I was extremely guarded at first too (about lore/dev concerns not silly sjw ones from the smh crowd) but they've got my belief now.

And oh boy do I wanna believe...

Btw on the gameplay front if you think about it the combat in VtM:B1 the combat was frankly kinda shit and not where the game shined. If they can utilize a common action rpg system that works I'm good so long as they deliver on the lore and compelling roleplay options and dialogue. We all know even as a tabletop game VtM is all about dat Vampirism Machiavellian.
Shadow the Hedgehog - Fri, 03 May 2019 03:02:53 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.736224 Ignore Report Reply
Well this is true. Heh, funnily enough a lot of the best greatest games of all time had some issue like that with horrible combat or whatever. Planescape Torment is one example. Or being fucking rushed or fucked with by executives like VTMB and KOTOR2.
Four - Fri, 03 May 2019 06:32:55 EST ID:2HmFDfv0 No.736235 Ignore Report Reply
>Best Greatest

You liked those games and i liked them too but they were not the best greatest games, not by a long shot. VTMB is the same, it really appealed to me when it came out and it had a lot going for it but the game was and unfinished and buggy mess. For a game to be considered “good” it has to be an all around good experience.
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 03 May 2019 11:34:17 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.736247 Ignore Report Reply
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There were some grammatical errors in that sorry I was wine drunk and weed.


Again Outstar seems a solid source for analysis and speculation from a lorenerd and design perspective on VtM:B2. I don't often find myself liking or reccing Let's Players or video game commentators but she seems to have pretty good opinions and they come from a hot goth chick to boot! I think my biggest concerns will be in the lore changes from v20 to v5, but in reality besides canonizing a lot of shit left open in v20 the essential Antedulivian plot is gonna be the same. I think if they do anything with Lilith or Gehenna we will be please, as Gehenna is the meat and potatoes VtM lore storyline. The second most common being Werewolves like in Chicago by Night are confirmed to be in a DLC already.

I think we have a very fun gaming experience waiting for us.
Tweak n Twitch - Wed, 08 May 2019 15:45:55 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.736586 Ignore Report Reply
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Clan Tremere trailer is out

My guesses on the last few are:
Malkavian or Lasombra

By the clan coming soon pictures on the site it seems highly unlikely the next two aren't Toreador or Ventrue but the last one of the abandoned building is a little vague. Could be Lasombra based on the shadows. I doubt they will add Nosferatu for development reasons off the bat (oh ho vampire puns) so my guess is Malkavian as I doubt they will not include them. Remember, other clans are confirmed to being added later via DLC.

I'm glad they are taking select clans and disciplines to begin with so they aren't stretched thin with 150 clans and disciplines even tho we want to see them all. This way they can focus on making what they do add work GOOD.

So far the clans we've seen had been basically confirmed by devs in former talks so next weeks clan reveal ought be pretty interesting. My bets on Toreador.
Dr. Wright - Thu, 09 May 2019 12:10:40 EST ID:xJmqSf35 No.736656 Ignore Report Reply
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Magic dudes are in ... Sorry guys I'm filthy Werewolf fan.

I've been watching the link posted, the YT girl. She brings up a good point that playing Nosferatu or any more freaky races might be hard to program. To bad, as I'm more into freaky vampires than sexy ones... I think I'll just be a whore vampire, that might be fun.
Dregs - Fri, 10 May 2019 15:47:32 EST ID:qrPHyWe8 No.736705 Ignore Report Reply
What's so hard to program about a stealth system? It would basically be "Don't get seen by non vampires unless you have illusion magic active." If skyrim can make it work (if you're a wanted criminal, everyone attacks or runs or at least mentions it) then any other game should be able to. Shit, there's even a witness system where if all the witnesses get killed then you're not discovered in skyrim. And they have shit tier AI. No doubt it's not that hard to program a system that makes things harder for you to sneak around if you keep breaking the masquerade as Nosferatu.
Leon Belmont - Fri, 10 May 2019 15:58:48 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.736707 Ignore Report Reply
He probably meant the NPC reactions than stealth, since Malkavians also had obfuscate. Which of course come to think of it, you'd still have the same issue in terms of dealing with NPC reactions when you've got a dude in a fur coat and Dr. Seuss hat wandering around yelling at street signs.
Duke Nukem - Fri, 10 May 2019 18:54:45 EST ID:xJmqSf35 No.736713 Ignore Report Reply
Ya she meant NPC reaction. Humans being freaked out by your apperance. I hope its not the case tho. Whats the deal with Malkavians? I get their nuts but dont they more or less look like the other vampires? I hear them being simlar to Nos and not being playable.
Lan Di - Sat, 11 May 2019 01:44:42 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.736742 Ignore Report Reply
When you're a total nutjob you tend to dress more...oddly

Case in point the original VTMB outfits. Of course the madness varies on a case by case basis but whereas you can look freakish and try to explain it as a Halloween costume, a Malkavian may look normal but the second you open your mouth everyone in earshot is going to be looking at you. It's a similar type of problem to where screaming obscenities about elder beings the moment an NPC walks past is going to look really odd to not have them react. Or getting in an argument with a stop sign. You can at least try and talk your way out of it as a Nos but a Malk is liable to quite simply not have the presence of mind to do so which means you can cause a scene and utterly fail to deescalate the situation. The only difference is you're less likely to cause an instant masquerade violation just from getting scene. Of course Gangrel have similar problems but on way lower scale. Then you have Tzimisce who should be walking masquerade violations most of the time too. In any case I dont see why it's such a big deal with scripting it for Nos reactions. Just have it similar to someone flashing a gun and everyone runs away screaming.
Jame Soloman - Sun, 12 May 2019 00:23:46 EST ID:cbfPyNQj No.736771 Ignore Report Reply

If I can be a Tzimisce, I will buy this game
Jame Soloman - Sun, 12 May 2019 00:25:24 EST ID:cbfPyNQj No.736772 Ignore Report Reply
But really though, where's my Mage the Ascension: Traditions?
Caius Cosades - Mon, 13 May 2019 16:48:28 EST ID:xJmqSf35 No.736875 Ignore Report Reply
The Ascension comes after The Apocalypse
Zero - Mon, 13 May 2019 16:57:17 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.736877 Ignore Report Reply
How would you even go about making a M:tA game? I get the impression that would be the hardest WoD game to try and pull off. Although also hard would be KULT and damn do I want to see a KULT rpg eventually. The other problem is Mage was notorious for breaking the fuck out of every other game line in WoD.
Kid Ying - Tue, 14 May 2019 13:41:40 EST ID:T6MhRsNG No.736920 Ignore Report Reply
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We will get an Exalted or Promethean game before we ever get a Mage or Changeling or Kult game.
Rock Howard - Tue, 14 May 2019 17:51:25 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.736940 Ignore Report Reply
I'd like to play Changeling: the Lost. As a RPG for PC, it's just super dark and depressive enough for my tastes.

This post was edited by DrWorm on 15-05-2019 15:47:24
Tweak n Twitch - Wed, 22 May 2019 14:59:58 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.737378 Ignore Report Reply
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Hey guys been a sec since I updated, we've got two clan reveals. First for my favourite clan of the lot revealed so far, the hedonists of Clan Toreador.


Then we have the blue-blooded "lions" of clan Ventrue. The clan I chose for my first ever playthrough of VtMB1

It's so nice typing that knowing I can say VtMB2 is coming out. Now the last reveal is going to be the real mystery, as so far all my predictions were 100% right. You can also check the VtMB2 website for details on the abilities of each clan revealed so far.

I'm excited to see what next week brings, it's looking to be either Malkavian, Lasombra, or Nosferatu. My bets on Malkavian.
Adrian Ripburger - Thu, 23 May 2019 07:29:02 EST ID:XCHiW7gO No.737405 Ignore Report Reply

Both look cool. I don't want to be that guy, but is every clan leader in this game going to be a woman? I just miss the days where it was ok for men to also be in strong roles.
Tweak n Twitch - Thu, 23 May 2019 15:22:06 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.737421 Ignore Report Reply
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Btw I was watching Outstar's video on how the Toreador basically use their hypnotic vampirism to manufacture consent, and yeah the fact that's not being touched on should tell you guys they definitely are not going hardcore SJW on this shit.

Tbh the whole bite on the neck thing was a euphemism for sex back in Victorian times and it makes you realize Dracula was basically an undead date-rapist.
Tweak n Twitch - Thu, 23 May 2019 15:36:50 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.737423 Ignore Report Reply
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I'm pretty sure it's been heavily hinted the Prince of Seattle is a man. You remember the well dressed gent from the trailer talking to you in his skyscraper office? That guys gotta be the Ventrue Primogen at least if not the Prince. That same skyscraper of his was used in the hint picture for Ventrue on the VtMB2 site.

The woman in the trailer seems to be more involved with the mass embrace that made you a vampire and is likely to be a heretic or antagonist rather than someone you get quests from. The full player model used for the trailer was released by the company who made it under the name "Lilian". She's the same person in the back of this screenshot which appears to be of a mass embrace. So the whole she might be Lilith thing seems to be a legit theory and one I hope ends up being true.

But yeah the Prince is said to be either that Ventrue guy or the Toreador on the cover of the game in the working title picture.
Sheva Alomar - Thu, 23 May 2019 15:51:35 EST ID:S4c8HFon No.737425 Ignore Report Reply
it's vampires though. vampires have been depicted as hypnotizing people for blood and sex since their advent in mythology. it's quite difficult to even pretend that vampires aren't default bastards.
Tweak n Twitch - Thu, 23 May 2019 15:52:06 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.737426 Ignore Report Reply
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Oh I get what you're referring to now. Besides the Tremere all the clan videos have had female narrators haven't they? I don't think that's indicating the primogen, more like a spokesperson for that clan. Like again I'm pretty sure that slick guy in the trailer is the Ventrue Primogen and this screencap I can almost guarentee is of a high level Tremere, if not surely the Tremere Primogen.

What I see is some kind of lodge and that nigga's practically going full Crowley.
Tweak n Twitch - Thu, 23 May 2019 15:57:51 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.737428 Ignore Report Reply
That's what I like about VtM though. You're playing anti-heros not perfectly good beings. Tbh it's bad guys and badder guys if anything. Very rarely is a vampire good, I believe that's Golcondola which is like vampire nirvana and reached by just as few people.

Like a great many vampires try to follow the appearance of humanity and don't give into their beasts fully, but you still gotta find some unsuspecting vessel to drink from every night and you're willing to kill anything that isn't a vampire or strikes first at you.
Glass Joe - Thu, 23 May 2019 17:06:22 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.737433 Ignore Report Reply
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That is clearly a bald Kevin Spacey
Edgar Ross - Thu, 23 May 2019 22:34:26 EST ID:uH1vzJOG No.737457 Ignore Report Reply
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you didn't even try did you
Trevor C. Belmont - Fri, 24 May 2019 02:53:43 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.737469 Ignore Report Reply
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Don't underestimate my laziness, edgar
Dark Link - Fri, 24 May 2019 05:43:58 EST ID:XTkbRuzQ No.737480 Ignore Report Reply
I feel like this guy could rape a kid🙇
Tweak n Twitch - Sat, 25 May 2019 08:09:10 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.737520 Ignore Report Reply
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Well who wants to start betting on which clan will be the final reveal.

I'm betting on Malkavian. Malkavian and Nosferatu are both extremely popular clans and not including at least one of the two would be a really unwise move I think.

I feel Nosferatu is likely out because of the above stated reasons to do with mechanics. Gangrel is already basically confirmed for DLC with the werewolf expansion, also Gangrel haven't been very relevant to the Camarilla as they general are rural vamps who avoid cities and other vampires.

So that means if the next reveal isn't Malkavian it's gotta be Lasombra. If they aren't including either of the two popular clans they've got to do something cool to make up for leaving them out. I'll be really happy if they skip Malk or Nos for Lasombra, and Malkavians are my favourite clan of all time.

Here's the hint picture given to us, your guess is as good as mine probably. I've predicted every one so far correctly, but I think all of us did as they were kinda obvious. This last picture is really vague, purposely so I think as I feel this is leading us into a big reveal, so tbh Lasombra is quite likely, but my safe bets on Malkavian. This is the week I've been really waiting for.
Chun-Li - Sat, 25 May 2019 15:34:25 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.737537 Ignore Report Reply
Honestly I'm already kind of disappointed because Ventrue and Toreador are two of the most boring clans in the entire setting. They're also hard to translate into vidya terms because what they're actually good at is entirely about manipulating the mortal world as well as kindred in addition to just being super roleplay heavy clans that don't translate too well outside the PnP. It makes even less sense for a Ventrue neonate to be everyone's errand boy, though Tremere I guess is also that way.

The one clan i hoped the most would be playable or at minimum make an appearance is Lasombra. They actually have really cool disciplines and would work well in a vidya. A Tzimisce playable clan would also have been nice. I'm a bit confused here though aren't you supposed to basically be a shovel head? So why in fuck is it focusing on all these clans? Wouldn't you at least be antitribu?
Chun-Li - Sat, 25 May 2019 15:40:53 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.737539 Ignore Report Reply
Also that looks like an insane asylum so it's going to Malkavian. Honestly the best thing they could've done is dropped Toreador or Ventrue or Brujah for one of the two Sabbat main clans. Like you said though, Malkavian is my favorite clan and I'd be willing to tolerate their absence if we got Lasombra instead. Of course it also really depends on the writing and combat mechanics. If they just do some kind of lame as shit telekinesis and completely made up superpowers rather than actually using discipline, or have a really terrible story and character development, it's probably going to suck. Until I actually see something of the atmosphere, gameplay, and/or story I'm going to remain pretty pessimistic about this whole enterprise and hope to be pleasantly surprised instead.
Tweak n Twitch - Sun, 26 May 2019 08:25:18 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.737627 Ignore Report Reply
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Thats what I said! Definitely looks like an insane asylum or a derelict building to me, both of which indicate Malkavian. Outstar thought it was sewers but idk what sewers they got in Poland because theres clearly a window at the end of the hall indicating its a building. Also I guess you're antribu, but even though you're mass embraced you're not really a shovelhead in the traditional Sabbat ritae sense. Other people than Sabbat can be guilty of mass embracing and I really don't think Sabbat is gonna be the main bad guy here. Again I'm going with the Bahari theory, but we can't know at this point for sure. Seems a sensible plotline to take though.

I really think that pic is made to look confusing on purpose again, so some could see a sewer, others an asylum, and the rest see shadows thinking its Lasombra. I agree it's totally gonna be Malkavian, but they could flip the script and just be like LASOMBRA BITCH. The only sucky thing honestly imo would be them dropping Nosferatu like I don't want that stinky clan. Yeah they're cool, but who the fuck really wants to crawl in sewers like a bitch all day?
Kyle Hyde - Sun, 26 May 2019 08:58:00 EST ID:noL7S+Qv No.737628 Ignore Report Reply

please provide me a link to where i can purchase this shirt, thank you
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 20:00:24 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.738858 Ignore Report Reply
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Finally gameplays out my dudes!

HOLY SHIT they captured the atmosphere of the old game perfectly...

Even brought back the old TV anchor guy and club dancing shit. I know we gotta wait to see how it actually plays, but... this should dispel all shadow of a doubt about this game being the real deal. If you've played the old game, you can just tell this gonna feel SO RIGHT.

Dis gon b gud.

Jame Soloman - Fri, 14 Jun 2019 21:40:30 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.738865 Ignore Report Reply
Eh I'll finish this later. I only got about 7 minutes in so far and am already getting a wary sense of just another shooter with a thin VTMB skin feel from it. Like, the lore matters. A LOT. What I was afraid of is definitely true already, which is that you start off with 3 "thin blood disciplines" like what the fucking hell is even a thinblood discipline supposed to even mean? They don't fucking have such a thing as thinblood disciplines you just take a dot in one discipline instead of from like 3 as a usual clan member iirc and they all have to be a discipline available to your parent clan. In this case there isn't one single discipline anywhere that gives you some shitty telekinesis ability. Like I said, just another bland FPS bullshit with VTMB feel that doesnt actually seem to give a shit about the lore that made the first game so good, only using the first game as its sole reference point for lore. I've read dozens of the books so stuff like that is gonna annoy the hell out of me. Like, I can't even remember off the top of my head the thaumaturge discipline that would give you telekinesis.

The other two "thinblood disciplines" whatever already fucktarded lore breaking shit that is are basically what looks like super tepid could-be-any-other-game sounding ones, with a mist form super lukewarm sounding version of a Lasombra discipline mixed with obfuscate, of the chiropteran which sounds like they just rolled a bat form and swarm into it.

But the telekinesis is a sticking point to me and did I just see a masquerade violation for...picking a fucking lock? What the hell? So just in the first seven minutes I'm already incredibly nonplussed seeing what's under the hood as I kinda figured I would be based off that snippet of footage from awhile ago where i saw and just thought "is that...is that a fucking telekinetic power? What the fuck is this shit, am i supposed to be playing some fucking Marvel cape bullshit or what?"

So now the second thing is treating criminal offense the same as masquerade violation. This means the team is incompetent, lazy, or both. Lazy at minimum going off what I heard before about them somehow complaining it was too hard to code NPCs reacting in disgust to a Nosferatu. Okay nvm it said "Masquerade AREA" because I was gonna say, the first clearly understood the difference between violating the masquerade and just a criminal act.

I'll watch the rest later. The whole running up a wall I mean honestly the main feeling I've gotten from it so far is this studio is just trying to make money off of capeshit in the future. I'm holding my breath til I go through the rest but already the video is just making me think meh. Like it could be any other game, some random FPS, or just some Cyberpunk 2077 thing or Vampyr or whatever. I haven't seen much but I've already seen a ton more than the launch trailer and it's already only confirmed every impression I got from that thing before. Like, I was hoping the telekinesis bullshit was just testing the engine, not an actual fuckin feature of the finished game. I haven't gotten any real sense of it having character so far. I think part of that may also be lack of a soundtrack which I'm guessing they haven't composed yet since the guy who did the original was supposed to come back right?

So yeah, you can be the optimist, and I'll play the pessimist to this.
Tweak n Twitch - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 00:19:38 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.738871 Ignore Report Reply
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>They don't fucking have such a thing as thinblood disciplines
Yes they do dude, in v5. I'm a v20 ST and I don't like the canonization of gehenna in the lore, but I know that in v5 thin-bloods were much expanded upon and are essential a "clan" now.

Just sayin. Also again... you realize the combat was NOT VTMB's strong suit right? The atmosphere is what made it.

They just made a combat thats functional and not as buggy looks to me like. Hell it still looks HIGHLY similar to the old bash and bang combat and discipline activation of the original.
Tweak n Twitch - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 00:23:48 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.738872 Ignore Report Reply
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>the chiropteran
Chiropteran was an actual ability of the animalism Discipline I believe. It's definitely a discipline, the Sheriff in VTMB1 turned into the chiropteran.

Yeah the main thing was the turning into a giant bat, but realistically it could be used to swarm them as well. Now I'm starting to wonder how much of the books you really read.
Nathan Spencer - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 00:27:08 EST ID:vbJFeDX2 No.738873 Ignore Report Reply
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>They just made a combat thats functional and not as buggy looks to me like. Hell it still looks HIGHLY similar to the old bash and bang combat and discipline activation of the original

You know this really shouldn't be considered acceptable considering the point of a sequel is to improve and build upon the old work. Also

Tweak n Twitch - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 00:30:30 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.738874 Ignore Report Reply
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>Okay nvm it said "Masquerade AREA" because I was gonna say...
lol this part made me think of Life of Biran "hes makin it up as he goes along!" btw
Jame Soloman - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 03:21:47 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.738875 Ignore Report Reply
I'm not talking about combat even. Clan disciplines are distinct and part of what gives that distinctiveness to each clan, otherwise they're nothing but a bunch of retarded superheroes for the devs to ghettorig everything so it can be reskinned for Marvel shit, is what I'm saying. And the thinbloods never had their own distinct discipline. Nor can I recall telekinesis being a clan discipline anywhere except iirc you could do shit like that in some path of thaumaturgy which no thinblood is going to know.

I know. I probably wasnt being clear. I meant that the mist thing and chiropteran at least sound vague enough like they could be a diluted form of Lasombra or Nos or Gangrel or whoever disciplines, but it still struck me at least minus chiropteran as being made for easily bootstrapping some capeshit element rather than caring about making this game.
Yeah I was kinda posting as I was thinking through it. It was so freaking dumb I had to actually go back and reread it and then realized the masquerade mask and warning actually said masquerade area not masquerade violation after breaking into the building.
Like I said though I need to finish the video
Navi - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 04:23:18 EST ID:zRMIfnL5 No.738879 Ignore Report Reply
you really have a hard-on for Marvel huh
Tweak n Twitch - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:32:03 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.738888 Ignore Report Reply
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To me this looks like it plays like the old Bloodlines 1, but with the gameplay mechanics of Deus Ex Human Revolution. When it comes to good classic games they ain't fucked up, Human Revolution is a pretty stellar example of doin it right.

I really feel the atmosphere as a fan of the classic game and an avid World of Darkness junkie is just right for my rice.

Hol up. You really think if they tried going balls out doing ALL OF THE DISCIPLINES and vampire shit it'd make a functional game? The first one didn't even do this dude, thats why they left out Lasombra, they knew they'd fuck that up. Hell those Giovanni barely felt like Giovanni with their shit-lord powers. You read the books you know how complex the rules can be for some Disciplines. What I said is true, video gaming just can't live up to what tabletop can do yet, if it ever can. Could you imagine how fucked up translating some of those abilities into a games code would be? I want a functional Vampire experience with the atmosphere, rpg elements, and story that delivered like the first game. Combats so fucked up in VtM as it is, they don't even have exact rules for explosives or driving combat. Some of that shit gets so over-lappingly complex, I mean its not as bad as 3.5 DND. What the hell do they even have to go off dude, besides the last game which like tbh the combat was buggy shit that was NOT the highlight of that game. Again I called it bash and bang, which tbh really is the meaty kinda combat VtM has and hell dude how many combat sessions have you ran? Some of those fucking Disciplines WORK like superhero powers. Had a goddamn Lasombra in a heavily guarded room suck all the fucking light out of the air turning the whole instance into a soundless black void. Let me tell you that shit ruins EVERYTHING, and its not even a 4 dot power! VtM is a political intrigue game. The RPG elements, story, and elements are what matters here, so long as they dont fuck combat and Disciplines up totally I'd be happy with the main delivery on those things. Again it really does look much different from the first game, just added some modern elements that have proven to work well mechanically in other games. Which is what I wanted, you're aimin' too high for the stars and while I get it, I'm glad they're playing this safe instead of just making an unworkable clunky fuck up like World of Darkness' MMORPG was bound to be with White Wolf trying to kitchen sink it.

Ok thin-blood telekensis is gay though, if anything I could see that as a Malkavian, say one with a background as a Soviet psychic experiment test subject. I do think thats kinda stupid, but it might be fun as gameplay. Depending on the mechanics of it ofc. (It is fuckin stupid tho)
Tweak n Twitch - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:45:14 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.738889 Ignore Report Reply
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Ok yes, I see your points on both of these things. To me it looks like they did improve combat though. For one its not buggy as shit with you throwing people up into the air doin barrel rolls through the level design. Also it looks kinda like the straight forward combat with chance to crit that gives you a cool kill animation to make your pp a lil hard like Skyrim and Deus Ex HR had. It's tried and true, but I'm down with it. Disciplines all make valid sense and look nice too. Idk again we won't really know til we actually can feel the experience for ourselves, I just am sayin what I'm seein.

(Also Shadman is a ridiculous artist, but I love em ESP for his Creepy Susie stuff)
Tweak n Twitch - Sat, 15 Jun 2019 12:50:10 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.738890 Ignore Report Reply
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goddamn my stoned ass I meant to write

story, and atmosphere*

But yeah, remember these guys are a new studio of fans of the first game carrying on a project that they know if they fuck up too hard they're gonna have WoD fans putting on their goth war-paint and running up on them with pitchfork and torch like the First Inquisition.
Tweak n Twitch - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 14:31:09 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.738940 Ignore Report Reply
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Yknow the more I watched of gameplay last night the more I began to get worried. Everything of the atmosphere and rpg elements looked great. The combat though looks TOO much like the first game. Still significantly less buggy without the stupid numbers popping out of peoples heads, but it looks clunky. People waiting in the room for you to come kick their ass AI like the last game.

They have well over half a year to polish it up and make the combat good, so Im hoping we will see MUCH improvement before then, but I'm a little worried about the controls and AI of combat.
Rayman - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 14:45:42 EST ID:PRadn0xM No.738941 Ignore Report Reply
From what I recall it's hard to judge the combat yet, because the person they had playing it sucked and was using a controller.
Tweak n Twitch - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 15:13:03 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.738944 Ignore Report Reply
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I mean a few of the people playing looked like they sucked, but I mean they are video game journalists, not video gamers.

Oh right they wouldnt be showing this on the glorious PC glowy box for an E3 demo. Well I'm sure they are still polishing shit up tho.

I still have high hopes, I just hope they listen to the criticisms and know where to focus instead of just chalking it up to "this is an atmospheric roleplaying game." We still need decent combat at least. Seeing how safe and smart they've been playing things, I trust they will.
Claptrap - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 15:48:30 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.738945 Ignore Report Reply
>designed more with consoles in mind than PC
It's going to fucking suck. I warned you all this is already looking to be another EA tier bland FPS shitfest.

I don't know why you guys keep fixating on combat. Combat was never great in the original to begin with and disciplines=/=combat. Did we even play the same game? A ton of those are combat oriented but a lot of them also weren't in a sense, and disciplines in general aren't all about combat. Auspex is a fantastic example. Like that one alone has so much potential in an RPG if you could say see the black lines in a diablerists aura for different conversation options, or hell just being tipped off the person you're talking to is bluffing about being human or cainite or whatever. Dominate and Dementation had way more to do directly with your conversation options, though in VTMB at least it basically worked like a Force Persuade.

I do like how at least they use the mist ability to go through vents which is keeping more with the PnP RPG spirit of the game. Obtenebration has could function that way which is why I'm unclear on whether the weird mist ability is supposed to be related to Lasombra somehow.

This is why I bitched about disciplines so much. They are NOT just a bunch of combat abilities regardless of how much a fighting game VTMB was. Things like night or heat vision through walls, reading auras, cloaking your presence, manipulating thoughts, these are all seriously useful non-combat abilities that can vastly change a style of play. Combat is only one playstyle for solving problems ultimately. Combat is my least concern. I don't even care if the combat itself is shit. I care I'd they give you a bunch of disciplines that aren't even clan disciplines and have you just running around betting people with pipes and using some bland telekinesis ability instead of a clan disciplines rooted RPG with clan weaknesses which is specifically a huge part in what made VTMB so great, because it had fantastic atmosphere, excellent writing, and such completely distinct classes aka clans that you could play the game three times and still not see all the content and have a unique experience each time, as opposed to shitty on rails shooters where basically your class and what you do is completely irrelevant and not worth replaying the like 9 hours of content.

It's also why I think being a fan of the original game can be irrelevant. VTMB was also good partly because it had such huge background lore to draw on and it like most games of the time was thoroughly rooted in PnP traditions. Peoples reference points for gaming was an actual pnp game not just a crappy vidya or Hollywood which is partly why most RPGs were so dramatically different back then and so superb in storytelling, writing, and general atmosphere.

I remain super skeptical until proven otherwise. They took a big risk in snatching this IP and I give them credit for that, but I'm not about to lower standards or get on a hype train when I really don't have any evidence otherwise thus far.
Tweak n Twitch - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 16:03:31 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.738947 Ignore Report Reply
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>why are you focusing on combat

Did you read ANY of my other posts...?
Tweak n Twitch - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 16:14:51 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.738950 Ignore Report Reply
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>Things like night or heat vision through walls, reading auras, cloaking your presence, manipulating thoughts, these are all seriously useful non-combat abilities that can vastly change a style of play.

AGAIN how much of the videos did you watch or even just reading into the abilities on the site!? They do have auspex and shit like that. Goddamn dude, I'm not trying to be an asshole or anything but "points" > "your head." You didn't even read anything I said, I vastly question your knowledge of the source material, how running an actual chronicle works, the original VtMB1, and just gaming or making sense of anything in general.

I share some concerns on gameplay mechanics, but the atmosphere, disciplines and everything else make sense and it's better than go with what works than kitchen sinking it or trying emulate the complexities of disciplines in the actual tabletop roleplay game. Again just re-read my other posts in response to you, I am however doubting you read much of anything and are instead just a megaphone for your own opinions.
Claptrap - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:11:02 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.738952 Ignore Report Reply
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Why are you posting two separate replies to the same comment?

>on the site
No. I went there a few months ago and it barely said anything about the game itself.

And I did read all of your posts and my point still stands. Also
>doubt you
This is just a few gigs I have on my damn phone. I've got like 20gigs at least worth of WoD source books on my HDD. And yes I've obviously played both VTMR and beat VTMB multiple times. I'm not talking about the complexities of running a chronicle with your mates. I'm talking about how unethused I was watching that what was it 18 minute video or whatever. I didn't hear the soundtrack so I cant rate that. The environment itself looked like it could just as easily have taken place in some Batman game or Deus Ex or wherever else. I just didn't get a real sense of the environment having distinct character or atmosphere, in the same sense I got no real sense of the player character having any kind of distinct quality or flavor except the misting through vents ability.

I'm not trying to shit on your parade. It's just the way I process things and am ready for just not being impressed at all rather than being horribly disappointed later on, and hell, maybe I'll even be pleasantly surprised.

They also did seem to reuse character models quite a lot but that's just like whatever I really don't care.

The main thing I saw hope for was the most important bit though, which was the character development, storyline, and dialogue, especially the number of choices and possibility for branching paths. In fact the chance to either spare Slugg or kill him was the one thing I was most enthusiastic about after seeing this which means there's a potential for quite a lot of narrative diversity and replayability. Like what if I'd spared Slugg instead? What kind of different quest options could that unlock? And the same thing goes for the mysterious figure offering to cut you in on a different deal.

Like the biggest plus side I *can* actually take away from the game is that the devs are probably just showing off the game engine which most of the time people like showing you combat and super abilities and shit like that at tech demos, as opposed to what's frankly some of the most important parts like menu scrolling, dialogue, picking class and abilities, stuff like that--because to most people it's fucking boring at a tech demo. Hence I can at least remain hopeful if they dumped much of their effort into that, which tbh is the only thing I actually even really give a shit about.

My biggest fear with the game is that they're just going to release some super subpar fighting game and act like the way EA managed to turn every single good franchise into the exact same bland feeling shitty FPS no matter how different the starting genre. I can only hope more of the dialogue and story wasnt shown to avoid spoilers and because they wanted to wow people with the combat instead. The random ass totally unexplained bland telekinesis ability still makes me incredibly wary of this games development though. Imma eat some pasta.
Tweak n Twitch - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 17:32:25 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.738953 Ignore Report Reply
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Also yeah Outstar just made that point about the person who was playing sucked ass and how it can ruin first impressions. Dude looks like he barely played a game in his life the way hes walking around half assed into walls and shit.

Kabal - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 20:19:20 EST ID:+81xCbQz No.738958 Ignore Report Reply
If you're giving the world it's first view of the game's potential then you want someone who will actually show all the shiny toys, the diversity, the selling points like "it will have a reactive immersive world" or whatever.

The guy who chose the playstyle was like "I'm going to be an asshole who just kills everything" and then the person holding the controller barely knew which way up to hold the damn thing. I think that sort of thing isn't something you should "suppress" but it does look like they fucked up. As fake as it is, having someone who's played the game and knows how to show the depth off would have been much smarter than an outsider journalist who might decide "I'm going to play as a fuckwit" because that is exactly what happened. You want to know the game will react to that appropriately (and it did which is cool) but maybe not on the first play. We didn't even see how you feed on people out of combat (though the attract prompt kept flashing up. Why didn't this useless hack even try that out? you're playing as a Vampire. What makes vampires vampires? What's the core vampire thing that vampires do when vampiring? What do we think of when we say "vampire"? Drink some fucking blood. God damn

The thing is that we now have to speculate that the game might be good because the evidence that they gave us is that it's going to be mediocre. But I imagine they'll put it right in the next month or two if the game truly is more than just a dumb shooter with some dialogue tacked on.

The third person attack things were disorienatating though. I thought Deus Ex Human Revolution was good fun and did what it was supposed to do for all its supposed flaws and the third person takedowns were a lot of fun but this is not that it was just awful.

They may have taken a build and spent time stabilising and prepping it for E3 while the current state of the game has progressed a lot more but if not, I hope they delay a bit more even if it is actually better than they showed us. The masquerade area seemed to be a non issue and the enemies were proc genned but seem to be a shallow pool and ended up very samey.

There's no hurry. We have Outer Worlds (the demo for that had them hack a system and engage "pink slip protocol" to remove human enemies, an NPC they evidently had a few possible dialogue approaches, they talked extensively about factions and they showed a shrink ray. Paradox take note: This is how you do it) and Cyberpunk to scratch that itch.
Yoshi - Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:01:42 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.738964 Ignore Report Reply
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Honestly I'm just a pretty negative person in general but still, there were a few things I found a bad sign and would rather not board hype train and be disappointed like always for everything that gets hyped, nor want to just blind shit on anything because others say hey let us shit on it either.

Like this here is a much MUCH better sign
Because here we see through eyes of the devs, not some fool playing as fighting game. Which is not just devs showing you what they want to see, but so much as showing you what clearly they are thinking about and focusing on the most.

See now that video there can make me feel more excited about thiseven though I still don't trust Paradox at all. They spent all of like 20 seconds out of that whole video focusing on fighting. They spent virtually all the rest on worldbuilding. That is VTMB. Now compare to
and like you said about feeding, the guy actually does feed here. The problem is I can see now yeah, he sucked at controls. Also the majority of that video is fighting. Ugh but now I remember other thing I didn't even complain about is weird lion sounds from feeding on people. What even is this? You don't need a lion roaring for that. In fact you want to make as little sound as possible feeding so it's just a really bizarre design choice.

I still remain skeptical until thoroughly proven otherwise, but that other video is fantastic news than whatever this gameplay thing is. Like I said it's also just weird there is no music or soundtrack at all really when sound design was pretty critical to VTMB. It is much better however that devs at least clearly cared enough to focus more on worldbuilding, choices, characters, atmosphere, disciplines, things of that nature, than whatever this fighting game is I saw in other videeo.

Here is another good sign
Thaumaturgy you say

I see a bunch more open slots too. Are those for disciplines? Or inventory quick use slots or what? Another thing that never got brought up or used much in VTMB was the Paths and thaumaturgy. It would make more sense tbh for a thinblood to just learn a bunch of thaumaturgical paths unless he becomes a diablerist somehow. It would also be cool to see if you could choose a path but like
you said repeatedly, certain aspects of the PnP game might be harder to translate. Using Paths would be an, interesting thing to try and do.
Kabal - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 05:59:33 EST ID:+81xCbQz No.738978 Ignore Report Reply
I assumed the roaring noise wasn't being made by the vampire but was more a way of conveying him fighting to retain humanity and not kill the victim entirely.

I think they almost definitely will have you become a diablerist but they did have that thinblood thing where they can temporarily gain lesser disciplines depending on the mood of the person when they drink blood. Music and soundtrack can really lift a game but they're also probably the last things you add. I do wonder what they'd use. The 90s/00s goth scene is a long way past peak. Heavy metal and electronica have both advanced massively but together there's basically been 2 noteworthy projects since the last game and one of them is another video game soundtrack. Does this mean we're going to get Author and Punisher : Bloodlines?

I think I'm also going to be interested but not get on the hype train. There's enough RPGs in the run from late 2019 to early 2020 that hopefully at least one will be good
Tweak n Twitch - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 09:29:52 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.738987 Ignore Report Reply
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I'm remaining hype, but I am not going to judge gameplay til we see more of it and played in more capable hands.

The atmosphere, setting, rpg elements, and lore look so tasty tho, so I remain with my hype.
Yoshi - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:08:40 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.739006 Ignore Report Reply
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Okay see now this here is how you plug the game not the gameplay demonstration I was endlessly bitching about.

So I knew that Rick Shafer, the guy who did the original VTMB, was supposedly on sound for these guys again. What I *did't know* was that apparently they'd already released at least the opening theme on YT, which judging by this at least is a very, very good sign. It means first of all that they're not going to try and pull some Bethesda-Zenimax tier bullshit of throwing in a couple of gags in reference to the earlier, fan-canon series (which is part of what I was afraid of with the newscaster soundbite I heard) but instead are working on a fully fledged true-to VTMB game.Which means I'm a lot closer to being all aboard that hype train having seen what the devs focused on showing people in the reveal and now with this as the opening.

So the actual impression I get so far is that whatever Outstar and others ITT were trying to say about the guy playing it not knowing wtf he was doing sounds largely true, with some guy who somehow got to cover games without even knowing how to use a console and basically just treating it like nothing but a shitty fighting game. It also wouldn't surprise me if the devs kept a really tight lid on the things that actually matter, like the storyline, quest options, characters you meet and so on which is fine by me.

I mean, just listen to this thing. That's VTMB. A darker, sharper, grittier, dirtier, more desperate and if I can use the word "realism" sounding true VTMB 2.
Tweak n Twitch - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 18:24:11 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.739011 Ignore Report Reply
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Yee niggy, this is what I was tryna tell you. Sorry for comin at ya like such a cunt. The atmosphere is being taken hella seriously. v5's lore ain't that bad tbh, it's not as open ended as v20's, but the additions since then make sense n shit at least.

Also damn I didn't even hear this yet... this sounds right. This sounds SO right! Holy shit I love it. Thats some super high quality goth soundtrack right there.
Travis Touchdown - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 18:46:49 EST ID:4ImWGkVJ No.739013 Ignore Report Reply
you know what, I hope it fucking sucks. I hope it bombs so bad you finally give up and you take your elitist, autistic ass to another hobby so I can finally stop reading your whiney, pessimistic bullshit.

Yoshi - Mon, 17 Jun 2019 19:18:14 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.739015 Ignore Report Reply
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No. You will quit your hobby. I will follow you to your new hobby and tell you you're not trve kvlt enough and you will love me.
Viewtiful Joe - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 00:45:59 EST ID:hKsiT55U No.739036 Ignore Report Reply
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I completely understand how he feels and i am just as cautious as he is. We can smell bs a mile away and this game had plenty of signs to make us worry.
Katt Monroe - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 01:01:21 EST ID:FL0qkv/Z No.739037 Ignore Report Reply
What a strange reason to hope that a game fails
Aya Brea - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 07:44:54 EST ID:5LYJws1L No.739054 Ignore Report Reply
Shut up Four.
Tweak n Twitch - Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:07:41 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.739057 Ignore Report Reply
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Ya'll niggas need Malkav
Miles Tails Prower - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:03:01 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.739128 Ignore Report Reply
Did you guys know that Outstar is Polish? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZBM53IAJ2o
Miles Tails Prower - Wed, 19 Jun 2019 21:05:52 EST ID:Mz5DvYKJ No.739129 Ignore Report Reply
Oh right spoiler fucks up links
Captain Price - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 12:22:54 EST ID:vbjpwlGZ No.739197 Ignore Report Reply
I just wanna diablerie
Phoenix Wright - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 12:34:52 EST ID:+81xCbQz No.739198 Ignore Report Reply
Tweak n Twitch - Fri, 21 Jun 2019 17:56:41 EST ID:GySsjwSi No.739205 Ignore Report Reply
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Yee. I thought she was Swedish at first, which is funny because I am ethnically Polish.

Her accent cute.

Polish women are amazing. Also Poland is the center of European Vampire the Masquerade fandom. Probably the biggest fan culture outside the US if not huger. Look at the fucking LARP they do in an actual castle.


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