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Paying to play online in consoles

- Fri, 07 Jun 2019 13:41:19 EST JAfM/azk No.738317
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Why is this accepted? PC gamers mostly don't have these shackles of having to pay to play online, that only depends on how the game itself is distributed. Console gamers don't have a choice, they have to shell out mean green to play online.

This idea belongs in the past decade. Why aren't people more against this?

Please don't turn this into a PC vs consoles shitfest, I just wanna talk about the outdated, garbage "pay to play online" concept that brings consoles down.
Ling Xiaoyu - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 14:42:21 EST PZGQJQZK No.738323 Reply
What particular games are you talking about?
thread portfolio - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 14:42:59 EST 1EUFwvr/ No.738324 Reply

Stopped reading here. I fucking hate this word. But yeah, paying for online is fucking retarded, and you won't see anyone defending it in here since we're all grumpy middle aged men in here posting using our commodore amiga 500s.
Jimmy Hopkins - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 14:56:48 EST 0vW/sOI5 No.738327 Reply
i pay for the yearly ps+plus, so i will say i hated the idea, but it forces you to do so if you want to multiplay, but its alright i guess because they have ps+ sales every other month that make most games dirt cheap.
Blaze the Cat - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 15:09:29 EST 8QRXKcTc No.738330 Reply
Moat games are a lot cheaper when you buy them on your Pc and you get free Multiplayer (I feel sick just having to mention "free" multiplayer). Sony is literally holding back that part just pressure you into subbing. Are you really ok with Sony stealing your money?
Companion Cube - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 17:58:57 EST 5LYJws1L No.738346 Reply
No, im not. But you have to understand that i am a 34 year old dude. I use my laptop mainly for work, i really would like a gaming pc n shit, but i travel a lot or work laye and really i just want to come back home and connect with my group to play some "normie" shit like some call it. Its easier for me plus, i got to play the exclusives dort cheap. I used to have a gamig pc 5 years ago i just dont have that kind of time anymore.
Jin Kazama - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 18:54:52 EST Mz5DvYKJ No.738353 Reply
lol fucking what
Are you serious mate? They actually charge you for having an online connection? Holy fuck
Trainer Blue - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 18:58:35 EST JaZGEw9c No.738355 Reply
I hear caves stay cool in the summer and warm in the winter, is that really true?
Cyan - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 20:05:42 EST vrQiXcHX No.738357 Reply
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I pay for all 3 big companies online services. It's not even that expensive, and I've been mostly playing PC games lately.

They all provide games to subscribers. Not just online services. Whole, entertaining, worth coin games. I like them. Borderlands is free right now. In 2013 I got Dark Souls on XB 360. Hitman was free.

It's not accepted. Its embraced. People like buying things, it's a product. We live in consumerism. Make more money and quit bitching!
LeChuck - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 21:57:57 EST 2KnCgXee No.738365 Reply
Ah yes, the virtuous cycle that is recurrent user spending. Promotional deals rule everything around us.
Ivy Valentine - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 23:35:42 EST 1PRipo9X No.738370 Reply
>People like buying things
People also like heroin - hell, I like heroin. Therefore, heroin is a social good. If you're mad about that, just stop bitching and do some heroin
Lance Bean - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 04:24:37 EST 8wCn9YlX No.738378 Reply
>Implying heroin is not a social good
>Implying people dont know what to spend their money on
Dont be like politicians, dude
Bowser - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 04:28:48 EST HeXnUop6 No.738379 Reply
A whole industry exists to ensure people don't know what to spend their money on. Politicians know people don't know what to spend their money on because they use the same industry to help people vote for the wrong party too.

He's right, people are fucking stupid. That's why we have pay to play on line bullshit.
Lance Bean - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 04:37:17 EST 8wCn9YlX No.738380 Reply
Everyone is stupid, but that doesnt mean we have a right to do anything about it except explaining and complaining.
Putting someone in jail for using heroin in hope of fixing society is even more stupid than taking heroin recreationally.
If someone is stupid enough to be a paid online console paesant its their fucking choice, and we all should fuck off.

>implying there is a right party to vote on
Youre one of the dumb fucks too
Serah Farron - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 04:41:43 EST PZGQJQZK No.738382 Reply
I mean compared to the outside air yeah. But caves aren't a magical heating/cooling system. You'll still need a coat in the winter and ventilation in the summer to stay comfortable.

What industry is that which exists to ensure people don't know what to spend their money on?
Bowser - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 06:05:50 EST HeXnUop6 No.738383 Reply

Explaining is telling people what they need to know to spend their money. Better information leads to better decisions. Similarly making the facts obscure by lying, misrepresenting products or exploiting cognitive tricks to persuade people to miss allocate their resources is bad. God damn you're edgy and stupid.
The Prince - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 06:40:38 EST hiAZC5R1 No.738385 Reply
Nobody is misrepresenting anything when they sell online play. Its a legitimate transaction based on demand and dumbness. And yes, Im stupid too, like I said, just not stupid enough to go begging other dumb fucks to rule over me on election day.
Cait Sith - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 07:42:06 EST 4ImWGkVJ No.738387 Reply
It's 60 bucks a year... All this complaining for a what amounts to a tank of gas. Get a job jolly african-americans.

Cyan - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 07:52:51 EST vrQiXcHX No.738390 Reply
A few weeks ago I was in line at a fast food restaurant. And this trailer park looking girl says to me "daaammmmmn Nine dollas. I member when this shit was only Five dollas n u still get all dat food."

Not one to be outdone, I said "yeah and they dont even let the cooks smoke in the kitchen anymore. Where the hell did it all go so wrong?"

She took me really seriously and started explaining why it's a good thing the cooks cant smoke while working.
Ivy Valentine - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 09:53:40 EST 1PRipo9X No.738393 Reply
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What the hell do you drive, a tank? $60 is my gas budget for like 3 months, and I live in the middle of nowhere without any public transportation because this is America, god dammit
Hammer Bro. - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 10:16:31 EST JAfM/azk No.738394 Reply
It doesn't matter how "cheap" it is, people are still being robbed and liking it. That's the problem. If people stopped entertaining this faggotry it'd go away
Bowser - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 10:16:41 EST HeXnUop6 No.738395 Reply
Ever heard the expression "You take care of the pennies and the *bigger currency* take care of themselves?"

Ironically it's a poor person habit to piss money away on shit you don't really need. Your post reminds me that I do need to sit down with my bank statement and work out what I could save money on. Last time I sat down and chipped away at little items I was buying I think think the difference was about that much money every month and it's been at least a couple of years. Shit maybe 3. This is why I can love comfortably if frugally and save 25% of my income after tax. $60/year is my GPU sorted.

It's another cost that isn't included upfront. It's not hidden but it's not made clear and people will compartmentalise the cost "oh it's cheaper than this" without accounting for $200-300 over the lifetime of the "more expensive" alternative. It's like day 1 DLC, another cost not included in the headline figure. People don't just add them up in their head, they just become another small cost. A market that rewards disinformation is rewarding mechanisms to encourage people to allocate their resources incorrectly. That is known as market failure. We should not be encouraging industry (or economy) wide market failure.
Lakitu - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 11:26:22 EST 5LYJws1L No.738396 Reply
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As someone that spends the 60 bones for ps+ which I didnt actually spend, because I always wait foe the sale. I can say that you are one cheap mofo. Granted, I get what you are saying and I dont live above my means, I am what you call "old money", but god damn, you are bitching over 60 dollars a year. I pay more on that on mandatory issurance I know it doesnt cover jack shit.
Zell Dincht - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 13:04:51 EST tParWt3M No.738403 Reply
Well good for you. You don't have to worry about money. Until the parade ends and you're spendthrift nature fucks you over in 20 years when your trust and inheritance runs out.

Granted, bitching about video games and the cost of them when they are of such awful quality now is kinda stupid. You'd think you'd find something less expensive and far better as far as entertainment if you were poor but whatever, poor people gonna poor.

The only people that inhabit Xbone Live or PSN are 13 year olds anyways. I don't get why people pay for something that is just terrible by design. That is my gripe with it.
Lakitu - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 13:23:34 EST 5LYJws1L No.738404 Reply
Zell, I never said I didnt worry about money. Everyone does at some point. But to bitch and moan over something, thats inherenly cheap is kinda gay. You realize being born cost money right, stop giving me that fake nigga.
Katt Monroe - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 15:21:18 EST Mz5DvYKJ No.738414 Reply
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60 dollars a year matters to poor people. It's also part of what keeps poor people poor is faggots like these nickel and diming you absolutely everywhere especially the fact most of these companies end up doing it to people who can't absorb the cost. I mean, if you're buying games then yeah, you should be able to afford absorbing that particular cost but it's just ridiculous and not right. Why the FUCK should anyone ever pay them that?

See here's the problem the capitalists will charge as much as they can for as little effort as possible and yet the consumer just takes it and takes it. I don't know why people do this. I buy games almost only on sale. I don't own a console. I would never put up with this shit. I also would never put up with having always on internet cameras in my fucking goddamn living room and I'd unplug the son of a bitch every time I'm not using it with tape over the camera. No, I'm not keeping it untaped for that kinct bullshit.

Anyway if you were born into old money then you'd just never get it. You'd never understand the daily suffering and unfairness that it means to be a poor person without advocacy in a place like America (if that's where you're from I'm assuming). Try hanging out at a park and talking to people. The whole "just see a therapist/we should just send people to get professional help" or "we have programs for homeless people" are all lies. There basically doesn't exist any kind of support network and homeless people stay homeless until someone lifts them out. There aren't any solid programs to help people and meanwhile these fucking vampires keep nickel and diming absolutely everyone and forcing people onto shitty contracts all over the place. Just the EULAs themselves are shitting contracts no one should be forced to accept so yeah, I can understand why people just pirate games unless it's a company they sincerely love.
Caius Cosades - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 10:36:42 EST XTkbRuzQ No.738456 Reply
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If you cant afford to basically waste 60 dollars a year get a better job. Id understand if you're young like early 20s, either you're in college or you're just starting out at a company, but by 25 you should have a decent paying job. Is it bullshit to pay for multiplayer? Hell yeah. But its just 60 bucks. I spend about that much on fast food a month if not more. Niggas spend 3/4 times that much a month on shoes, and they take the damn bus. Most people are homeless because of substance abuse or mental illness anyways, not because of capitalism. If mexican imigrants can make at least 500 a week doing construction, why cant you get a similar job and make as much money? Hell go work at like a comcast call center. You dont even need a highschool diploma to work there.
Alex Kidd - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 12:36:58 EST ViiC6wk+ No.738458 Reply
and when was the last time you left your parents' basement?
oof never, sorry.
Hugh Darrow - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 15:21:20 EST 93voU8ra No.738462 Reply
>spending $60/mo on fast food
I know this is probably the wrong place in the internet to say such a thing, but dude, you've got to rethink some of your life choices
Caius Cosades - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 15:53:42 EST XTkbRuzQ No.738465 Reply
Hmm I cook about 5 days out of the week and only get fast food for dinner, about twice a week. Usually a burrito from little mexican restaurants/trucks, about 8 bucks. Or some asian/jamaican food around 12 bucks then. So yeah, it adds up to about 60 bucks. Its not that much, if you're single and dont really have debt at least.
Alex Kidd - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:44:16 EST PZGQJQZK No.738472 Reply
I probably spend about $10 per day on fast foods (including things like Chipotle and Subway).
Shodan - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 16:46:01 EST HeXnUop6 No.738474 Reply
It's not about 60 dollars a year. It's about hundreds, maybe a couple of grand of completely avoidable expense. If you take the attitude to one item you take it to others. If you just have the one flutter good for you but most people take that attitude because each individual item is a little bit of money. You let it happen once and then.. just that once? no way.

I am a cheap mofo for sure. But it's better than just throwing my money away then wondering why I'm still living paycheck to paycheck even though I earn 60% more in real terms than I did 5 years ago. I've gone from "relative poverty" to "median earner" so I'm not rich.

So if you take that attitude in general you're suddenly moving into that house a year or two later. And paying money with nothing to show except the stress of having a housemate who literally cannot tidy his room with 3 weeks notice because he's an alcoholic.
Hugh Darrow - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 18:28:36 EST 93voU8ra No.738483 Reply
That much processed food will fuck you up over time, son

That's not really fast food in the sense of mass-processed, ready-made shit. The term fast food usually refers to chain restaurants
Leon Kennedy - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 21:47:10 EST XTkbRuzQ No.738495 Reply
You sound like someone who likes to complain. No one cares about your ex roomate you cheap fuck.
Nights - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:41:54 EST HeXnUop6 No.738568 Reply
>You sound like someone who likes to complain
From time to time. I think that scratched the itch. Still think you're dumb if you think "oh it's just sixty dollars a year" like it's a decision in a vacuum though.
LeChuck - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 14:09:15 EST ViiC6wk+ No.738573 Reply
netflix is only $10 a month, but you should be able to watch TV for free
Nights - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 17:42:21 EST HeXnUop6 No.738586 Reply
You can't actually. Well you can but not legally. TV is mostly shit anyway though. Nothing wrong with spending money if you actually get something for it. Ideally that generates as much or slightly more utility than what you'd otherwise spend it on.
Leon Kennedy - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 19:11:40 EST XTkbRuzQ No.738590 Reply
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Yea it is just 60 dollars a year. Not that much, thats less than 3 hours of work. I spend more on coke when I go out with friends. I wonder whats worse for you, $60 of fastfood a month, or $60 of coke every other weekend? Of course the coke gets shared though. But you wouldn't know about that, huh you cheap fuck?
Larry Laffer - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 20:54:13 EST Mz5DvYKJ No.738593 Reply
You must either be south American or doing some really amazingly shitty coke. Either way I don't do coke because it's a waste of money for something that doesnt even get you sufficiently high for longer than 45 minutes. And the difference is you need food to you know, survive. And $60 can get a decent amount of food. Coke is a stupidly inflated black market thing. And as for vidya there's literally no fucking reason to even be charging people that just to play an online game. This must be because only console gamers are stupid enough to be a marketing target actually willing to put up with paying extra just to use the online function rather than PC gamers who simply expect it to be an included feature of every single online game. Know what I else I don't have to fucking pay for? Using steam. Because why the fuck would anyone actually tolerate paying for steam or multiplayer. The games on console aren't even good which might he one reason they can charge you extra, because nothing is remotely fun without it on console.
Carmen Sandiego - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 21:51:00 EST XTkbRuzQ No.738597 Reply
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Oh its shit coke for sure, more than half of its laxative powders/crushed up pills. But thats what I expect from mexicans. But you're right though, ps4 doesnt really have good exclusives. Bloodborne, Yakuza 6, God of War, Horizon Zero Dawn, Spiderman, Last of Us, Uncharted. Shadow of Colossus remake; none of those are very fun
I also dont like playing on mouse and keyboard, I like it for diablo or rts's, but not fps's.
I know theres controller support for most games, but not all. As for ps+, yea it is bullshit I have to pay, but I like playing online with friends or family. They sure as hell dont play pc games, it'd be cool but nope. Its nice to play gta online with your little nephew on the other side of the country. Plus ps+ give you 2 free games every month, and there are pretty good sales. Flash sales are legit.
Larry Laffer - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 00:37:44 EST Mz5DvYKJ No.738608 Reply
Seriously man? A capeshit game of all things is what you included in your snarky comment? I mean, I dont give a shit about any one of those games but you really had to add a spiderman game to your list? I didnt even realize you were being sarcastic at first.
Richard Aiken - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 01:18:43 EST +FEWF/1n No.738615 Reply
Did spiderman touch you as a kid or something? Because you seem to have some unresolved anger issues.
Carmen Sandiego - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 01:33:28 EST XTkbRuzQ No.738616 Reply
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Well I enjoyed spiderman, but I borrowed it and beat it in a week, I wouldn't have boughten it new. And really? Bloodborne and Yakuza 6 are great games. What do you like thats exclusively for PC? League of Legends? And yea you sound like you have anger issues, also known as TDS(Tiny Dick Syndrome).
Doctor Li - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 02:27:32 EST utyVB73w No.738621 Reply
>PC platform is free of the anti consumer exclusivity bullshit
>Therefore I love my console for holding games hostage
Larry Laffer - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 03:05:52 EST Mz5DvYKJ No.738623 Reply
Cities Skylines, Tropico, Endless Space, Starcraft, Rise of Nations, Homeworld, Age of Empires, Fallout 2, Planescape Torment, Master of Orion or any GSG pr 4X game really as well as pretty much every city sim or other RTS game or just about every single crpg are all PC exclusives
Carmen Sandiego - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 08:59:47 EST XTkbRuzQ No.738651 Reply
Yea, I dont know about the newest pcs, but my windows 8 pc wont play starcraft, age of empire, or planescape torment, or even diablo 2. The only reason I see to get a newer pc is to play Witcher 1+2, Allen Wake and modded elder scrolls/fallout. Its not really worth it to play all those rts's or city sim games, mainly because im not too big of a fan of those games.
Rikimaru - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 09:12:03 EST UcENjjuY No.738653 Reply
City builders, CRPG's, and 4X games play fine on consoles (Cities Skylines, Diablo3, and CIV6 for example), fast paced RTS are the main exception.
Tifa Lockheart - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 11:20:59 EST FL0qkv/Z No.738660 Reply
Spider-man was pretty fun, Larry. No need to be a cunt because people like things you don't like
deBlob - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 11:49:50 EST ZKNYbiMv No.738661 Reply
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Is it just me or the game felt like everything was moving too fast?
When spiderman runs up a building hes going like 40mph. The fuck?
Isaac - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 12:48:56 EST wWGKLeQN No.738663 Reply
I think you're mistaking "are playable" with "playing fine". Yes, it's possible to play such games with a controller, but it's a vastly more cumbersome and suboptimal experience, just like playing fighting games or platformers on a keyboard.
Astaroth - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:55:22 EST PZGQJQZK No.738690 Reply
That's pretty much every open-world game though. It's because if running around were realistic it'd be super boring.
Dr. Isaac Kleiner - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 23:56:05 EST nsHqQRqN No.738702 Reply
The Playstation 3 and Wii never had pay to play. Xbox Live is what introduced it. You should put your focus on Mircosoft. Still not as offensive as "buying" games with DRM that you don't own through Stream.
Dig Dug - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 04:19:30 EST 4mrhENi/ No.738773 Reply
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I accept that I'm paying to support the upkeep and improvement of online gaming infrastructure. I would gladly pay more money for the switch online if it meant we got better online service and more backward support game support beyond the NES.
Gwyn Lord of Cinder - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 05:37:18 EST GBq14qd5 No.738777 Reply
I tried it for a year and i do think its worth the price but the fact that they are withholding multiplayer access to strong arm me into subscribing is what pushed away.
Sub-Zero - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 06:43:34 EST Gbx4cP4S No.738781 Reply
I'm not a fan of pay to play online after you've already bought a base game.
But I rarely play online anymore since getting abused by strangers isn't an appealing concept to me.

My switch online is from a free trial for Prime members and my PS4 online was on sale when I got it. I almost never use the Switch online beyond watching replays on Smash. The PS4 actually offers things for having a sub, the two free full games each month are a nice thing and the discounts across the store sort of almost make up for it.

Housemate has the Xbone but they just use it to get angry at kids 1/5 their age playing war shooters.

I still prefer to shop on Steam since you can get actually good indie games for under $5, and the stuff under $20 on the PS store tends to be shovelware. (the Switch store is like 98% shovelware / games that last less than an hour which is a real bummer)

I used to pirate a lot of PC games but now I have so many games that I have yet to play, if I were to try and go through my backlog I probably wouldn't need to buy any new games for years.
infectious - Thu, 04 Jul 2019 10:14:05 EST 2HpQicD7 No.739788 Reply
I feel that they should allow multiplayer access at least for free and then offer a smorgasbord of features and bonuses for subscribing. PSN lets you play many games without a subscription, but XBox live still limits you. PC really doesn't charge anything for most games period unless it's a mmo and you are paying for server upkeep and for season passes. It is asinine to charge $400-500 for a console, XBone X of course, then restrict us from playing online with our friends.
Ignatio Mobius - Fri, 05 Jul 2019 00:52:42 EST zCEbrcL4 No.739827 Reply
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Its weird man. PS+ is genuinely a good deal, with the discount offers and the free games that are available every month. Still, they pressure you into subbing by taking away online features such as multiplayer which really bothers me. I wouldn't really have had a problem subbing for PS+ But the way they do it makes me reject it entirely.
Glacius - Sat, 06 Jul 2019 09:58:50 EST FI5TpCN8 No.739895 Reply
MS and Xbox fans normalized the practice, and the other two manufacturers could eventually no longer ignore the revenue stream. This is 100% what happens when consumers don't stand up against bullshit rent-seeking behavior.
Cyan - Sat, 06 Jul 2019 22:40:02 EST vrQiXcHX No.739917 Reply
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The Free Games have made it extra worth it for me. As a kid I had maybe $50-60 a year I could buy a game with. If I had something that let pay that and get 2 games a month it probably would've ruined my life by playing so many games.

Borderlands was a pretty cool addition. And I'm curious to try Detroit now that its free. Sometimes I wish there was more of a system to get games more targeted to your interests as an alternative choice.

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