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- Wed, 29 May 2019 14:52:40 EST FL0qkv/Z No.737807
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Finally, we have some gameplay (not much but that seems pretty par for the course for Kojima trailers) and a release date of November 8th
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gu8X7vM3Avw

Thoughts? Personally I think it looks pretty good from what's been shown so far. Also lol at the name Die-Hardman
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Naija - Wed, 29 May 2019 15:08:58 EST 5LYJws1L No.737813 Reply
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Looks good, gameplay its almost as I expected (like metal gear) tho, its a new IP and it looks good. I am not going to buy at launch tho.. I wait for for footage and see more of it. The last game I bough at launch was BoTW. And thats because every knew it was going to be good.

Since we are on the topic of new releases. Bloodstained: Ritual of the Night is out next month. That I already pre-ordered, and it looks dope.
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Zerg - Wed, 29 May 2019 16:00:03 EST 73KXaO1I No.737821 Reply
That was some weird ass kojima style shit, where you can't even understand what's going on.
This guy is suffering from giving a simple but at the same time logical story to his games.
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King K. Rool - Wed, 29 May 2019 16:11:56 EST fT0YFMLt No.737822 Reply
What the hell is Wingdings Refn doing in this game, why is Kojima using directors like they're actors
What the fuck even is this
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Naija - Wed, 29 May 2019 16:18:54 EST 5LYJws1L No.737823 Reply
>>737822
Have you not read Kojimas background and influence in films and how he always wanted to make a film.
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Wed, 29 May 2019 16:30:31 EST gNBJa0Vj No.737824 Reply
My going theory to the metaplot of the game is some sort of quantum break, fucking up time on some sort of quantum level causing some sort of Eldritch Horrors to reap along side those men who would manipulate this time crisis for their own ends. The babies let you breath so the inviso dicks cant see you. The black rain that makes you age super fast is just falling weaves of time. I'm thinking Cube 2 Hypercube on a national/worldwide scale. May involve Nazis in some form
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Guile - Wed, 29 May 2019 18:19:51 EST cqXHNMKT No.737834 Reply
I lost interest last year. Shit or get off the fucking pot Kojima.
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Zits - Wed, 29 May 2019 18:42:23 EST PZsoj7x9 No.737835 Reply
>>737834

Yeah! I mean he's taken a whole 4 years to go from nothing to running his own studio to producing a fully fleshed out AAA game! Doesn't he have the decency to put it out in 1 year like a real titan of industry? God, what a bitch ass nigga like actually taking the time to make sure his most scrutinized work ever is completely finished! It's like he thinks that $60 price-tag is supposed to be accompanied with work worthy of such a thing or something.

And don't get me started on creating hype and intrigue around his product! fuck that just sell it to me it's not art with a story or anything.
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Naija - Wed, 29 May 2019 19:01:16 EST 5LYJws1L No.737837 Reply
>>737835
I know right!! The nerve on Hideo to not bullshit us like he did with Metal Gear Survive. Lets be honest Metal Gear Survive was fantastic coming out a little over a year of its release of its predecessor The Phantom Pain..
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M'Aiq the Liar - Wed, 29 May 2019 19:38:10 EST A0EiJyuw No.737839 Reply
I'm so stoked for the Metal Geary schizo's to waste years of their lives trying to explain how this game actually fits into every other video game and that it's all a giant conspiracy that's actually going on in real life and kojima is revealing it to us through his video games but only if we are smart enough to decipher it
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Cole Phelps - Wed, 29 May 2019 20:12:26 EST 5LYJws1L No.737840 Reply
>>737839
lol, most of the game have pretty bad writing. typical jap bulllshit.
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Pit - Wed, 29 May 2019 22:23:39 EST S4c8HFon No.737846 Reply
>>737824
someone divided time by zero, also the babies are probably the new strain of human that all the youtube theorists been on about since the name homo ludens first got dropped.

also kojima really has drawn a lot of ideas from weird scifi novels and comics. those black traveler things or w/e could get real spooky if they're something from outside time and not just altered humans. suspecting a predatory invader that twists reality like the typhon from the new prey. the time water/rain thing is straight out of a manga called sprite, like the exact same, and has probably been done before that.
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Wander - Wed, 29 May 2019 23:38:21 EST U8+t47Na No.737851 Reply
Oh boy another nonsensical game filled with more 2 hour cutscenes of exposition
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Arthur - Thu, 30 May 2019 02:15:32 EST DxbXUe71 No.737854 Reply
>>737839
Tbh, Kojima strikes me as someone who would put clues in his games and Konami definitely seems like a company where high level conspiracy might happen.
To dismiss this possibility as crazy is pretty ignorant and crazy in its own right.
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Turok - Thu, 30 May 2019 06:14:38 EST 1PRipo9X No.737862 Reply
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Hid - d
E - n
O

K - n
O - wled
J - (g)
I - (e)
M
A - ncients

Leftover letters = OM

15 - 13 = 2
2 = number of Ancients

Draw your own conclusions
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KLEZ.fml !!cEQLOiCj - Thu, 30 May 2019 18:52:39 EST 5nRDyOou No.737911 Reply
Watch him do a MGS2 and swap Norman Reedus for GdT as the player character at the 2 hour mark. Calling it now.
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Pimple - Thu, 30 May 2019 20:59:23 EST gRE5JYs/ No.737923 Reply
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Time travel eh? some Army of the Twelve Monkeys influence perhaps?
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Pimple - Thu, 30 May 2019 21:25:12 EST gRE5JYs/ No.737924 Reply
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wtf is a luden?
Is it kinda like a gluten?
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Thu, 30 May 2019 22:20:34 EST gNBJa0Vj No.737930 Reply
>>737924
It basically translates to gamer
Its Latin for "Playing"
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Adrian Ripburger - Fri, 31 May 2019 03:27:49 EST A0EiJyuw No.737940 Reply
>>737860
lol what argument were we having?

schizos gonn schiz bro and I'm just gonna sit here and laugh at em
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B.J. Blazkowicz - Fri, 31 May 2019 04:25:59 EST xhKdBHMs No.737943 Reply
>>737940
The other poster said a perfectly reasonable thing, which is that conspiracues happen and sometimes people that used to be on the inside leave clues about them in their art. You are stating that conspiracies are only possible inside a sick mind, which is majorly ignorant of history and frankly retarded.
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Adrian Ripburger - Fri, 31 May 2019 05:00:57 EST A0EiJyuw No.737944 Reply
>>737943
Wanna explain to me how Kojima was an "insider" in anything but a mediocre video game company?
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B.J. Blazkowicz - Fri, 31 May 2019 05:11:01 EST xhKdBHMs No.737945 Reply
>>737944
He was an insider in an extremely influential company in the most influential business of them all (not counting hollywood which will be surpassed soon), if you look at propaganda potential stemming from its wide reach into peoples hearts and minds.
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Adrian Ripburger - Fri, 31 May 2019 05:17:40 EST A0EiJyuw No.737946 Reply
>>737945
so if he was in on the secrets of the global propagandist elites, for what reason would they let him just walk away and make his own company to say whatever he wants about it
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B.J. Blazkowicz - Fri, 31 May 2019 05:18:31 EST xhKdBHMs No.737947 Reply
>>737945
Not to mention connection to yakuza, which seems reasonable in the gambling sector Konami is huge in, but which I havent researched at all.
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B.J. Blazkowicz - Fri, 31 May 2019 05:21:31 EST xhKdBHMs No.737948 Reply
>>737946
That my friend is for the curious minded to decipher up to some level of probability which will always be less than certainty without a whistleblower, assuming there is enough clues to do so.
But you dont have to worry about it if you simply assume its all schizos talking.
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Adrian Ripburger - Fri, 31 May 2019 05:26:05 EST A0EiJyuw No.737949 Reply
>>737948
There are real tangible evils happening in the world that you could actually have an impact on if you tried but you live out this little fantasy game about video games instead. That is the real conspiracy here friend.
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B.J. Blazkowicz - Fri, 31 May 2019 05:38:37 EST xhKdBHMs No.737950 Reply
>>737949
Being curious about one thing doesnt prevent one from being curious about more important thing, and you underestimate how connected the cards are in this house build by evil to control us.
A real change can come from many directions, by which I mean that gamers have an enormous social power.
But I agree that red herrings are worthy of consideration.
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Trainer Blue - Fri, 31 May 2019 16:46:32 EST pnRSM99n No.737995 Reply
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>>737950
>>737949
I'll say more - curiosity breeds curiosity. Especially when a person experiences some truth that shakes their worldview to the core, it leaves them hungry for more, up to the point of enlightenment by always questioning everything. You might stumble into a dead end or get a bit confused on the way, but that humble curiosity will always lead you out into the light.

The real tool that powerful use against us is smug, dismissive ignorance that prevents from looking at evidence at all, sustained on half truths and untouchable assumptions, like a zealot.
Flat earth theory (and aliens) is being coopted to foster those attitudes. Its not news that some people believe crazy shit, and no one even knows a real flat earther (at least one from before it blew up out of nowhere with tons of videos expertly using logic in order to dupe people just smart enough to be fooled to think theyre not dumb), but it got so big that everyone heard about it from some media, precisely because its beneficial to the elites if people say "heeey, you sound like one of them crazy flat earth people" when confronted with uncomfortable subjects.
Wake up sheeple.

That said, Kojima might well be just some sort of weird genetic prototype kind of thing, and nothing in his games will ever make any sense to us humans on any level. I dont know, but I'll definitely play this game with a painfully open mind, and Im looking forward to people posting their in depth interpretation, including schizophrenics.
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Krista Sparks - Fri, 31 May 2019 20:42:06 EST B8Sy1Aw2 No.738005 Reply
At first I thought it was some really shitty Walking Dead clone. The combat still looks pretty fucking shitty even without that. Also any game using the likeness of real actors I automatically assume is going to be completely shit. Even games that just use lots of known voice actors from Hollywood usually tend to be shit. Mass Effect 1 and 3 weren't bad but 2 was absolutely fucking terrible and where they clearly sunk the most of their budget into getting B list and below celebs hoping you wouldnt notice how awful the game was. Master of Orion 4 suffered the same problems: lots of really great voice actors, junk under the hood. Just judging by that trailer this looks like more of the same: a steaming pile of absolute crap they're hoping you don't notice or care being terrible specifically because it has the likeness of people you know. The concept itself sounds pretty cool and surreal at least, but I have no faith in it whatsoever judging purely by how fucking bad the fighting in the start looks coupled with it seeming to just be another shitshow full of QTE bullshit on rails for familiar faces. It looks like it is, in short, going to be everything wrong with AAA studios.
Pass.
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Cait Sith - Fri, 31 May 2019 21:21:13 EST ywz4AEPP No.738011 Reply
1st impression... is this an interactive movie?
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John Shepard - Fri, 31 May 2019 23:05:23 EST noL7S+Qv No.738017 Reply
it looks like an original game that isnt a remake. sure its reusing certain elements but its a fresh IP in my eyes. OC and all that.
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Crono - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 02:37:49 EST e/vmN/Xp No.738022 Reply
>>738005
>At first I thought it was some really shitty Walking Dead clone
Why would you think such a thing, none of the trailers or anything shown about this game shows relation to anything close to TWD
Just seeing norman reedus and thinking it's WD clone is pretty fucking stupid
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GLaDOS - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 16:05:50 EST IcB310ea No.738057 Reply
>>737995

It's also beneficial to the "elite" to have people like you talking in circles, going nowhere. Curiosity will "always lead you out into the light"? That's just not even remotely true.

You think the real tool of the elite is that people laugh at flat-earth retards? Youtube has rotted your brain dude.
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Drunkard Hu - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 17:02:09 EST A0EiJyuw No.738061 Reply
>>738034
that's not how the world works kiddo

like GLaDOS said, youtube done rotted yer brain
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Kraid - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 17:49:34 EST bDVEN8IP No.738064 Reply
>>737807
I think it looks quite good, more like MGS5 than I was expecting. Also I thought the scene where all the guys with electric trapping weapons was really funny, it looked like some guy ran up on stage at a concert and security was trying to catch him
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Bob the Killer Goldfish - Sat, 01 Jun 2019 20:28:41 EST sYrDpSiw No.738070 Reply
I can think Kojima is very smart and has good foresight, and also appreciate what he's saying as having real value without believing he was speaking as an insider of the global elite.
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Rash - Sun, 02 Jun 2019 00:31:22 EST /LAqvwyS No.738082 Reply
>>738057
The tool is fostering smug, dismissive ignorance, flat earth is probably coopted to this goal but there are other ways.
That contempt and serious discomfort when talking about certain things is very important for status quo.
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Link - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 17:21:25 EST Dk77LuKa No.738264 Reply
Jesus will you fucking morons quit talking about flat earth bullshit that’s totally iirrelevant to the thread at hand and actually discuss the game? Fucking how does every thread lately on this site end up like this. Y’all are so easily swayed by one person’s fucking troll comment that any bait you’re being thrown to be confused about a game like this you instantly take and act like it’s going to suck because you’re just as retarded as the person you’re arguing with. It’s a fucking Kojima game, it’s probably going to be really sick in a lot of ways, probably going to piss off SOME people too, that’s just how it’s gonna be with anything as ambitious as this. For instance I’m super down with the confusion aspect. I don’t see why you would want to know what’s even going on anyway beyond being a stallion-sumer and needing your daddy to chew up content for you before he vomits it back into your mouth for easy digestion. What the fuck, do people just not like being surprised anymore? I was pissed when MGS5 completely took the final chapter away but that doesn’t make me automatically invalidate how much fun I had during the whole ride just from that alone.
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honk - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 18:05:14 EST hRfsG87y No.738266 Reply
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I really want to be proven wrong about this, but I strongly believe that Kojima's is a dipshit. With that said, I've thoroughly enjoyed MGSV.
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Sonic the Hedgehog - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 14:19:41 EST Kl5xaFQs No.738319 Reply
>>738264

For all we know, it's Kojima himself starting these discussions
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Blaze the Cat - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 15:10:58 EST 8QRXKcTc No.738331 Reply
>>738266
No, Honk. You're the dipshit. You've always been a dipshit.
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Balrog - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 04:07:50 EST vGbVF1qg No.738376 Reply
>>738373
If you dont count his cutscenes as blockbuster movies, which I guess is half true.
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Pimple - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 00:44:17 EST +ZfjkSOT No.738505 Reply
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>>738372
Is he?
I always thought his conduct is pretty typical for a Hollywood superstar.
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Carmen Sandiego - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 09:35:32 EST OMoVVrNb No.738550 Reply
>>738505
Kojima went to far with his Hollywood obscession, all I want is a great fucking game with a nice gameplay and replayable value, I don't fuckung need a cinematic experience, full of a movie superstars.
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Meta Knight - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 09:44:29 EST RgNS4kHc No.738553 Reply
>>738550
Well you cant get that experience anywhere else besides from Kojima so i don't understand how you can be frustrated with what he offers. His games has always been about that cinematic experience so expecting anything else is a misstep on your part.
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Carmen Sandiego - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:30:17 EST OMoVVrNb No.738560 Reply
>>738553
Well, MGS 1,2,3,4 and 5 had a equally fun gameplay too.
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John Shepard - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:13:34 EST SyzlQuiC No.744775 Reply
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11 days left, are you guys hype? There are spoilers coming out so I’m trying to avoid them. I did manage to see some screenshots but I don’t think they ruined anything for me. I remember some assholes spoiled MGSV’s ending a few weeks before it came out it was kind of irritating.
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Arthas Menethil - Sun, 27 Oct 2019 19:24:51 EST 9LDG6xkR No.744776 Reply
>>744775

Bringing it up on this board is a sure fire way to get spoiled. Hiding thread now
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KLEZ.fml !!cEQLOiCj - Mon, 28 Oct 2019 15:16:05 EST 5nRDyOou No.744823 Reply
>>737807
Confirmed for PC Q2 2020. Likely EGS exclusive. It shares a publisher with Remedy, who accepted 10.5M EGS money for Control exclusivity.
So good news and bad.
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The Blob - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 14:58:05 EST 2O+v6AjT No.744916 Reply
I still have no idea what the fuck you're supposed to do in this game.
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Claude - Wed, 30 Oct 2019 17:27:43 EST noL7S+Qv No.744925 Reply
apparently conan (the only late night dude i really like these days) met with hideo kojima at his studio for a sneak peek at the game, which conan just turned into silly jokes. they scanned him into the game as some kind of easter egg too

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlMpN26ts7s
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Eric Lecarde - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 06:24:04 EST Qnc/8/qE No.745007 Reply
>>737807

Not reading anything in this thread to keep myself from possibly getting spoil bombed but with what little I’ve seen of the reviews as far as headlines, I’m just laughing my ass off mostly. Journalists being like “it’s not for everyone” like no shit faggot no one game is going to be for everyone even if it’s fuckin Checkers. I’m sure the game rules and the few bad headlines I’ve seen regarding how accessible the game is to people reads like any other game should. Especially since I’m enjoying the fuck out of Bloodborne atm (extremely late to it but who cares) but I’m absolutely not a Dark Souls kinda guy. I don’t get why this game (Death Stranding) has been so uniquely enigmatic to everyone but also as a die hard Kojima guy I guess I’m just used to/in love with his games because they’re always fresh and new and people are for whatever retarded ass reason afraid of that shit.
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Edgar Ross - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 07:10:31 EST j75OC4Vb No.745008 Reply
>>745007
The gaming press is a joke. I went on that circlejerk site and said basically what you said and got banned. They want all games to be inclusive all the time. They want to kill the industry.
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Yo-Yo - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 07:20:35 EST /cZAtWxI No.745009 Reply
>>745008
All games must be equally bland!

Also, difficulty in games is ablist!
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Four - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 07:34:07 EST 7/wT3seY No.745010 Reply
>>745007
The reviews are pretty damning though. The general impression I get is that it's Unique but flawed.

Polygon:
>It takes about 10 hours for the throat-clearing to wrap up and for Death Stranding’s structure and mechanics to fully reveal themselves. And those 10 hours are some of the weakest in the game, thanks to the endless cutscenes and a series of bummer quests that have me lugging packages (and even a corpse!) up steep hills in the rain. I’m never given a great reason for these initial chores; I do them because I’m told I must. It is the epitome of a slog, and it’s easy to imagine that many players won’t ever make it past this stretch of the game.

>But even if you do, here’s the thing: The entire game is about lugging packages. That’s what you’ll be doing whenever you’re in control of Sam: bringing a box or boxes from one part of the map to another. Saying it out loud, it sounds like absolute misery
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Waluigi - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 09:30:10 EST LsAYYuqr No.745012 Reply
>>745011

That first yellow text gave me flashbacks of Final Fantasy XIII. It's one thing if the mechanics gradually open up with baby steps, but what I read there is downright retarded.
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Four - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 09:42:12 EST 7/wT3seY No.745013 Reply
>>745012
Playststionstyle:
Death Stranding is not an especially “fun” game. It’s tedious at times, frustrating at others, and can feel like one of the biggest gaming slogs. It combines some of gaming’s most loathed elements—over encumbrance, inventory management, difficult terrain, fetch quests, finicky stealth mechanics—and yet I couldn’t put it down (and not just because I had to review it). I felt a need to deliver my cargo. I felt horrible when I slipped in a river and lost it all. I was scared as I carried slightly too much through BT-infested territory. I felt a sense of pride upon delivering an immaculate piece of cargo to the recipient.

I honedtly don't know what to make of these reviews. I'll just wait till I play it.
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Waluigi - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 10:09:42 EST LsAYYuqr No.745015 Reply
>>745013

>I felt a sense of pride upon delivering an immaculate piece of cargo to the recipient.

So, I take it this is a UPS simulator.
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Cole MacGrath - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 10:51:59 EST BJtLvEfC No.745017 Reply
>>745015
UPS Sim would be a stealth game where you have to slip "you were not in" letters through the door without people noticing.

Hard to know if the press is being pretentious, kissing Kojima's butt when he's lost the plot, whether the game genuinely works, whether it's actually just a piss take, whether it works in this place in time alone, or more than one of those.

I guess we'll see when actual people get their hands on the games rather then journos. When I'm unsure about a game I'll look at a bunch of reviews from authors sites who tend to agree with me on stuff. If it garnered the right sort (I mean I know some games are great but not for me so I'm looking for people praising things I give a shit about) of buzz here that's worth 5 great reviews from reviewers with similar tastes to me though.
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Dan - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 12:29:07 EST IcB310ea No.745018 Reply
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Some of my favorite movies and games got lukewarm reviews or were called boring. And this seems like exactly the type of strange, slow paced immersive game that people would hate. I can't wait.

Tim Rogers loved it, he's a weird bastard and I usually enjoy stuff he recommends this much.

>Addictively miserable. What if someone made Breath of the Wild, but boring...on purpose?
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Dan - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 14:59:45 EST IcB310ea No.745020 Reply
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>>745019

Yeah one writer. You hate people specifically based on what company they work for? lol k
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KLEZ.fml !!cEQLOiCj - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 15:41:53 EST 5nRDyOou No.745021 Reply
>>745020
These people have no presence outside of Kotaku. Except Jason Schrier. Too bad he's a giant douchebag.
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Dan - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:46:40 EST IcB310ea No.745025 Reply
>>745021

I don't know anything about kotaku, i just saw a couple of his reviews and enjoy his perspective
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:50:49 EST xdVjQxHk No.745026 Reply
>>745021
If wasn't for Schrier's investigative journalism, we wouldn't have known about all the bullshit surrounding the development of games like Red Dead Redemption 2, Anthem, Mass Effect Andromeda. He's practically like the Dave Meltzer of video game journalism.
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Dark Link - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 22:44:33 EST 2Fb9kySD No.745050 Reply
>>745025
So I gave him a chance and watched 10 minutes of his death stranding review on youtube. Dudes annoying as fuck, I dont see how you can like him. Hes not as bad as other kotaku writers, but thats like saying this piece of shit doesnt smell as bad as these other turds. Kotaku is good at delivering news, but their reviews and articles are terrible. Jason Schrier is a good journalist, but just like KLEZ said, hes a giant douche. The same can be said for all their writers. Tim Rogers is no different.
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The Vault Dweller - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:18:16 EST IcB310ea No.745051 Reply
>>745050

that's okay. I wasn't trying to shill tim rogers I'm just excited for death stranding
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Boogerman - Fri, 01 Nov 2019 23:22:35 EST W54BMgUQ No.745052 Reply
>>745009
I fucking despise people who think games shouldn't have any challenge. It's one of the reasons why I will be making my games difficult when I get better at coding and have an actual game to release. If they complain, i'll make it harder.
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Big Daddy - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 00:44:15 EST rr+kT9sO No.745054 Reply
>>745026
Damn shame he's a shameless clout-chaser, formerly on Neogaf and now Resetera. His talents suggest he should be doing work for bigger and better outlets, but the fact that he sticks to video games and pandering to weirdos likely says more about him than his work does.
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Dark Link - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 01:48:01 EST 2Fb9kySD No.745067 Reply
>>745066
And you didn't know almost anything kotaku related is a total joke? Seriously did you watch Tim Rogers review of death stranding and like it?
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The Vault Dweller - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 05:46:34 EST IcB310ea No.745087 Reply
>>745067

i liked a video, you play anime visual novels. its all good bb
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Buck Bumble - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 11:02:09 EST lg2Vp3+e No.745094 Reply
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https://www.metalgearinformer.com/?p=34431

>During his Death Stranding world tour, Kojima was interviewed at a BAFTA panel in London together with filmmaker Nicolas Winding Refn, who appears in the game as Heartman.

>Kojima was asked about the complexity of his multilayered stories. He explained why he makes his games this way.

>“I think simplicity is good, but it gets consumed very quickly. It’s like food: anything that’s really digestible, it just goes out. […] And it doesn’t remain in the body. But something that’s awkward, that is not really digestible, it remains in your body. And you don’t know what it is. And human has this intellectual feeling that kind of lingers: what is this? Like for instance a movie, if that lingers in you, you watch it again over and over, or you talk with your friends about them, what was that about? Or maybe take time to rewatch again, or rethink of it again. And you kind of start to understand the real meaning. And it begins to be a real body, your blood and meat. And it remains in your body fluid, and not just comes out. And I want to create that kind of thing.”

>“I grew up watching movies or things like that, so I just do that in games. Everyone says it’s complicated, but I think everyone should just keep it and maybe nourish it for five or ten years, and maybe they will start to understand. And I really want to create those kind of things.”

So, Kojima believes it will take people 5-10 years to understand Death Stranding.
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Bullet Bill - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 12:20:25 EST rFu+SndN No.745097 Reply
>>745094
Yeah, and people knew the twist at the end of MGS5 before the game even came out.
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Four - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 14:46:03 EST qGHdXwN/ No.745105 Reply
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Man im watching videos of this game and there is no way im subjecting myself to its tediousness or frustration. There is no way im buying it, i dont think im even gonna pirate it. I keep thinking, its a game that was specifically designed to be as boring as possible, and then they tried to sell it to you as a brand new experience cause nobody was crazy enough to do it.
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honk - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:07:07 EST hRfsG87y No.745110 Reply
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>>745094
Honestly, to me this is just even more proof that this guy is a hack. Nothing I've seen about the game makes me want to play this and I like this type of game.

Also how the fuck do you make a Conan bit boring? This is absurd and I genuinely don't understand why people have been putting this much stock into this one guy.
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Dark Link - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 15:08:49 EST 2Fb9kySD No.745113 Reply
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>>745087
Damn got my bitch ass. It seems like its hard to review this game though. Ive watched/read a couple reviews(read all of kotakus trans review, couldnt get past 10 minutes of tim rogers review though), it just seems like its a hit or miss game. On another note, my friend pre ordered the game just cause of this stupid rick and morty video.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=f02GKR7SahQ
When it comes out ima go over to his place, take some shrooms and do a bunch of dabs and see how this game is.
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Aribeth - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 21:31:39 EST lg2Vp3+e No.745137 Reply
>>745110

>This is absurd and I genuinely don't understand why people have been putting this much stock into this one guy.

Because Kojima's name is attached to it. I used to defend the guy, but the older I get, the more I value video games that are video gamey. Ones that are engaging and don't feel like an aggressive waste of time. Not ones that pretend to be movies. That's why I love my Nintendo Switch.

I read the Kotaku review. I'm not sure why some people ITT are being defensive toward the guy who brought it up, but it was a solid review. It seems like it might be interesting. But, at the same time, I'm hesitant because Kojima adds way too much exposition to his video games. For someone that wants to play film director vicariously through directing video games, I'm not sure why this is still an issue for him. Also, it seems like you spend a bulk of your time just traveling terrain, trying to deliver babies and corpses.
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Jin Kazama - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 22:42:27 EST iDjaa0av No.745144 Reply
>>745110
>Nothing I've seen about the game makes me want to play this and I like this type of game
Sounds like a case of confirmation bias stemming from irrational hatred for Kojima.
Enjoy not liking this game you'll never play.
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Jin Kazama - Sat, 02 Nov 2019 22:57:33 EST iDjaa0av No.745146 Reply
>>745137
Id much prefere a game would waste my time with well directed cutscenes than with prolonged unskippable animations for mundane things you repeat over and over, like in Zelda BoTW.
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Kuma - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 04:17:03 EST j75OC4Vb No.745166 Reply
It looks interesting, in the way that he made a walking sim into a game with actual mechanics. With only 1 person here mentioning combat, I wonder why no ones talking about it more. It's been showed off, but there has to be more than the super simple stuff we've seen. Wonder why everyone is hush hush on that front.
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Aribeth - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 07:02:31 EST lg2Vp3+e No.745170 Reply
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>>745144
>>745146

>Enjoy not liking this game you'll never play.

Ah. The good ol' "how do you know it's shit if you haven't played it" post. I'm sure you can at least understand why this game comes off as unapproachable to some people. According to Polygon, this game takes ten hours to get the the point. I'm OKAY with slow burns, but this is overdoing it for me. We have a difference in preference as to what kind of games we enjoy. I can't invest ten hours trying to figure out whether or not I'll enjoy something.
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Kuma - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 14:44:36 EST j75OC4Vb No.745181 Reply
>>745170
10 hours isn't even that long. There are games that take more than that just to hit the open world only to have it end a little later.
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Raziel - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 16:47:49 EST /zlYTuCO No.745185 Reply
>>745170

>I can’t invest 10 hours trying to figure out whether or not I’ll enjoy something

Play something else then. I’m glad somebody still has the balls to make an unabashed slow burn these days.
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Cheetahmen - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 18:14:12 EST bNro5nv+ No.745189 Reply
>>737807
The bad guys are called "Homo Demons"

I even turned on closed captions to make sure, and yup - homo demons
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Cheetahmen - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 18:50:16 EST bNro5nv+ No.745190 Reply
This game looks really boring.
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Kuma - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 19:02:24 EST tJ0y5HUB No.745192 Reply
I really admire the balls it takes to release a game like this, but I'm not sure if I would actually finish it if I were to buy it. I don't even feel like I have enough time to dedicate to games where I actively enjoy playing them, so spending hours on gameplay that is intentionally tedious, while artisically interesting, feels like sort of a non-starter, even if I really do want to experience the story.
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Illidan Stormrage - Sun, 03 Nov 2019 20:01:15 EST W54BMgUQ No.745195 Reply
>>745189
10/10. Finally a game allowing us to call em what they are.
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Spyro the Dragon - Mon, 04 Nov 2019 05:09:20 EST 0Az2hD3k No.745225 Reply
>>745192

I couldn’t agree more. I’d be willing to try it, but I wouldn’t even finish a game like this. And I’m not paying sixty dollars just to find out. I barely even have the vast amount of time to play the games that I like, like I used to.
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GLaDOS - Mon, 04 Nov 2019 13:15:05 EST IcB310ea No.745241 Reply
>>745240

Basically yeah. You're the postal service and also kind of like the US Forest Service back in the day. You hike across america and connect remote places to the "chiral network". Once places are connected you can craft different stuff to make the world a bit more hospitable using resources you've gathered, and using a kind of synchronous co-op thing you can work together and even build giant highways so that you can be cruising down a paved road eventually.

Add in a kojima fever dream storyline and some stealth/combat into the open world and that's basically it. Apparently has top notch graphics too.
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Q-Bert - Mon, 04 Nov 2019 17:47:02 EST XT3lbW6d No.745260 Reply
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>>745241

Sounds cool. I like stories about people doing mundane jobs under extraordinary circumstances, like ghostbuster, or post-apocalyptic USPS agent.

So, are you a federal official? Do you get a badge?
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Balrog - Thu, 07 Nov 2019 08:06:02 EST 0Az2hD3k No.745421 Reply
Just watched some gameplay on Twitch. There's absolutely nothing about this game that will convince me to buy it.
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Roll - Thu, 07 Nov 2019 16:35:27 EST l1mN8NaT No.745443 Reply
>>745421
It has good graphics and pretty cool original style, presumably no microtransactions or radio towers to climb, and playing as Norman Reedus is always a plus. If I had money I might have been tempted, but its definitely worth torrenting for me.
Even if it turns out boring or dumb I applaud the effort of this fresh new studio.
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Earthworm Jim - Fri, 08 Nov 2019 07:24:36 EST 7RB/3f6a No.745473 Reply
well I’m about 5 hrs in and it’s pretty interesting so far. Definitely not exciting gameplay wise other than the BTs and when I got chased by MULEs.

The cutscenes though, you can tell Kojima productions put some serious effort into them. The world building is also excellent so far. Graphics and music are top notch. Only thing I was a little disappointed in was the flat grass textures in certain areas.

Hiking simulator for sure though. This is going to bore a lot of people.
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Kessler - Fri, 08 Nov 2019 08:45:32 EST Op7qCMh9 No.745475 Reply
>>745473

>Hiking simulator for sure though. This is going to bore a lot of people.

I'm not sure if it would bore me, but my issue is just how I would be able to get through 50 hours of hiking gameplay. Or knowing when I'll ever have the time to complete a game like this.
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Juste Belmont - Fri, 08 Nov 2019 11:52:11 EST 1PRipo9X No.745481 Reply
>>745479
From what I've heard, perfectly reproducing nature through technical realism is maybe not the biggest problem with Death Stranding
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Seong Mi-na - Fri, 08 Nov 2019 12:10:01 EST Gbx4cP4S No.745482 Reply
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>>745479
Because if you slip and break your leg in real life you don't just get to reload a save
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Michael Thorton - Fri, 08 Nov 2019 14:37:55 EST 1T3VBffp No.745491 Reply
>>745482
if you break your leg on a hike it's pretty unlucky. I doubt you'd die i bet the average person can crawl pretty far with a broken leg if they had too.
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The Nameless One - Sun, 10 Nov 2019 20:44:21 EST xBmqV/WG No.745634 Reply
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>>737807
Got it yesterday and already put 18 hours in it. The story is eh but this gameplay was practically designed for me. Spending 30 minutes enthusiastically organizing my inventory and plotting out my course for the tougher missions. Trying to glitch my way up mountains like I used to do in Morrowind. Making a mailbox on top of a mountain paved with a dozen ropes, upgrading it all the way, then creating a bunch of requests to bring lv 1 shoes to it. The asynchronous multiplayer that quantitatively rewards creativity and altruism. The emergent missions. As far as I'm concerned the only thing it's missing is a hang-glider (some heavy BotW vibes in this in case you didn't know).

I guess Kojima wasn't a hack after all.
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Jax - Sun, 10 Nov 2019 21:28:35 EST zuGypy2b No.745635 Reply
>>745634
Huh. Good post, makes me wonder if maybe there is something to this for us Elite Intelligent Gamers. I get bored with a lot of shit but certain things in games entertain me. For example

>Trying to glitch my way up mountains like I used to do in Morrowind

Games are a strange thing. Most are boring as you get older. It takes stranger and at first sometimes unappealing experiences to entertain you. Novelty is a factor that can't be dismissed. This may have depth after all.
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Guile - Sun, 10 Nov 2019 22:11:55 EST IcB310ea No.745636 Reply
it's oddly satisfying to get on the game and see you got 10k likes from a bunch of strangers because they appreciated the bridge you built
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Leon Belmont - Sun, 10 Nov 2019 22:13:37 EST lmeASA0D No.745637 Reply
>>745634
The shared highway system is fucking rad even if I don't fully understand it
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Albert Wesker - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 01:43:48 EST AoFogKnq No.745643 Reply
>>745636
It'd be much more satisfying if you could see other people's piss shrooms, eat them, and absorb their power.
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Dregs - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 10:56:35 EST TV9Za1Xo No.745654 Reply
As a game, it looks terrible. As an interactive story, it looks amazing. I'll probably just watch it on youtube.
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El Hijo del Tirantes - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 12:00:00 EST udwE+uuU No.745658 Reply
>>745634
Shit has something special. I agree with the story being "fine" i guess that is why people without playing it is talking shit about it being so "MUH DEEP ART" and stuff. Gameplay is pretty sweet and and confy as fuck. You got some heat and tension when mules and ghosts appear and a lot of satisfaction when you deliver your packages. Then, the online stuff is really something. Finding ladders and climb ropes that someone else put there for you or building a mini bridge of ladders to cross a deep river and then reciving likes for people that is using it is pretty magical. Im not a Kojima mark but this is pretty good imo. If you like shit like Firewatch, Gone Home and all the RDR 2 things that are not gunfights, this is for you. If not, this will be pretty boring and dumb (and thats ok).
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Porky Minch - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 14:01:35 EST fmrt2aQN No.745664 Reply
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>>737807

There's an annoying mechanic to tighten backpack straps while walking, most of the game is just inventory management, there's that weird bitch from juno, and no point to the game other than Norman Reedus delivering packages along with ghost baby things.

From what I understand the entire game has hardly any action or combat with jank stealth mechanics in what would be an excellent super natural post apocalypse setting for a more well made game. To me it's just like that game Beyond: Two Souls, an interactive drama for those who can't play games like Skyrim, Call of shooty, dark souls, Fallout, etc but still want adventure and that's fine but I personally would rather smoke salvia and have a bad trip than play something that boring.

I really do not care for this game, would have made for a better film to be honest.
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The Nameless One - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 14:31:02 EST xBmqV/WG No.745667 Reply
>>745664
>From what I understand
Pretty funny coincidence that every single person who dislikes this game happens to not actually have played it.
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Jago - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 15:58:36 EST j75OC4Vb No.745669 Reply
>>745668
He played beyond two souls while watching a youtuber talk about death stranding and got confused.
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Albert Wesker - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:13:20 EST AoFogKnq No.745670 Reply
>>745667
Yeah do you think people are gonna pay full price for a walking game that they can only get on PS4 just because it's the most extravagant and involved walking game ever?

Put this shit out on PC and watch people's informed opinions proliferate.

Meanwhile you don't actually have to play the game to realize how goddamn slow it is and lose interest. Because those games are absolutely not for everyone.
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El Hijo del Tirantes - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:42:08 EST udwE+uuU No.745671 Reply
>>745669
Or he is just shitposting bc is the new hot thing to do until next week. Anyway, im happy with it and i hope more people take the risk to do some different and crazy shit on the next gen.
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El Hijo del Tirantes - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:47:09 EST udwE+uuU No.745673 Reply
>>745670
tbf i was pretty scared about the roleplayin mechanics of RDR 2, when i saw gameplay of it i thought it will be the last thing when i play it. Then, once i get it i was so lost on all those things, taking baths, taking care of my horse, growing up my beard and cleaning my guns that i almost forget that i need to kill people to advance in the main storyline.
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The Nameless One - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 16:57:50 EST xBmqV/WG No.745674 Reply
>>745670
If you had a more informed criticism than "walking simulator" maybe someone could take you seriously. I guess Sonic Mania is a running simulator, and Ocarina of Time is just a big fetch quest because all you do in the game is open treasure chests. That's what you sound like to anyone over 18. There's as much action as MGS provided you aren't one of those retards who plays stealth games ike CoD. Truth is, you don't have a real opinion either way; you're just sayng what you think is trendy to score points on the net. Looks like your little scheme backfired pretty bad, huh...
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Albert Wesker - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:22:30 EST AoFogKnq No.745675 Reply
>>745674
>a more informed criticism than "walking simulator"

You don't need more than that for people's hype to evaporate. Any open world game is gonna have that kind of stink on it, really. The entire industry and audience is burned out on sparse open world shit, because it was force-fed to us for about 6 years.

>I guess Sonic Mania is a running simulator, and Ocarina of Time is just a big fetch quest because all you do in the game is open treasure chests.
>That's what you sound like to anyone over 18.
geeeeeeet the fuck out bitch. I'm not reading the rest of your reductive bullshit.
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Albert Wesker - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 17:36:13 EST AoFogKnq No.745676 Reply
If you can't figure out that Death Stranding is actually a niche appeal game that was way too broadly hyped up by good trailers, Kojima's clout a latent hatred for Konami and not giving a single clue as to what it was going to be...

I can't help you. You can make a good game that's the best at what it is without everyone liking it and I fucking said that:
>most extravagant and involved walking game ever... Because those games are absolutely not for everyone.

I never bitched at anyone trying to claim Sekiro wasn't going to be EVERYONE's favorite.
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Panther Caroso - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 18:03:08 EST ds13wuku No.745679 Reply
>>745674
Ocarina of Time IS basically just a big fetch quest. With clunky controls and a charming world.
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Marcus Fenix - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 19:59:42 EST qtSFEQvF No.745682 Reply
>>737807
I can't believe they spent this much money on a game whose main mechanic is making sure you're holding on your backpack straps.

I'll be giving it the ol' college try, but I'm not really sold.
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Dig Dug - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 21:57:25 EST j75OC4Vb No.745686 Reply
>>745671
I'm getting super tired of this cookie cutter shit that is going on in the industry as of late, and also huge conpanies not knowing what the fans want at all while making something. Like the diablo mobile shit.
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Carl Johnson - Mon, 11 Nov 2019 23:19:30 EST xBmqV/WG No.745687 Reply
>>745679
All fighting games are blocking simulators.
All shooters games are reloading simulators.
All racing games are braking simulators.
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Yoshi - Tue, 12 Nov 2019 21:54:31 EST 20WTriXt No.745734 Reply
>>745687
all shooting games are dodging simulators puta sone of bitch cyka
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Boo - Wed, 13 Nov 2019 02:11:34 EST IcB310ea No.745744 Reply
this is like factorio for dumb people and it's kinda addicting.
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Dr. Breen - Wed, 13 Nov 2019 13:23:39 EST cJmyImMM No.745757 Reply
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Describe this game as a cross between two other games. Example:
>BotW+Factorio
Legend of Legends tier gamers only please
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Dregs - Wed, 13 Nov 2019 13:54:24 EST TV9Za1Xo No.745759 Reply
>>745757
It's more like a cross of 3. European Truck Simulator+Heavy Rain+Silent Hill
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Stryker - Wed, 13 Nov 2019 15:45:03 EST xBmqV/WG No.745761 Reply
>>745759
Those 3 are all games I dislike, nothing like my two picks, yet we both love Death Stranding. Getting such wildly different things out of the same work is a great litmus test for a masterpiece. I honestly didn't consider how it's like Factorio for dumb people til that other guy said it
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Cheetahmen - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 00:38:07 EST ToYVS8P1 No.745781 Reply
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I just realized that Fragile is the blue haired chick from Blue is the Warmest Color
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Kamek - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 02:13:41 EST bPlaloJ0 No.745788 Reply
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>>745778
>watching Dunkey in 2019
Ugh, that kid hasn't been funny in years.
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Geese Howard - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 04:06:53 EST ls+7DQJS No.745792 Reply
>>745790
WTF does Jim Sterling have to do with Dunkey? Why would you even use Dunkey as a segue to shit on something completely unrelated?
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Prince of Persia - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 04:10:45 EST jTSGyOAp No.745793 Reply
>>745791
lol Sterling isn't a professional reviewer, faggot. Been a while since he did that.
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Lich King - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 04:40:00 EST IcB310ea No.745796 Reply
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dunkey gave it a 2/5 because it's not a nintendo game
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 05:55:40 EST hi2hFY86 No.745801 Reply
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>>745791
Imagine being so worked by an internet review person that you have to keep a fucking info graphic about how much of a virgin you are.
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The Prince - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 06:47:19 EST uPmQ0iBM No.745802 Reply
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>basing any opinions on youtube video game streamers
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Cloud Strife - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 11:07:11 EST a2wGFFkc No.745814 Reply
>>745797
They really aren't tho. One's an overgrown manchild who'll maybe say something insightful once a year and the other's a fat bastard who's infatuated with his own ego.
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Abel - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 15:13:47 EST j75OC4Vb No.745828 Reply
>>745803
I don't. Right now all I watch is a lawyer breaking down legal shit for people. All the stuff I used to watch died.
>>745814
I never got into sterling cause it alsays broke down into 2 categories. The "shit on youtube cause I don't like it" category, or the "say popular opinion everyone agrees with".
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Cage Midwell - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 17:19:54 EST uZxzC6+0 No.745829 Reply
Jim Sterling built his reputation on calling out lootboxes, worker abuse, dishonest marketing practices, Collector's Edition/DLC shennanigans, and general corporate scumbaggery.

Unless you're an executive for Activision or Ubisoft or something, how on earth could you be offended by that?
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Prince of Persia - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 18:15:06 EST jTSGyOAp No.745830 Reply
>>745829
Dude this is the most disingenuous shit you could possibly say, shut the fuck up. Jim Sterling has the most punchable tone and demeanor in the universe.
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Bullet Bill - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 19:13:57 EST UqJcD9tx No.745834 Reply
>>745830
Yeah, even when he has a point.
Like, even when he has a point I wholeheartedly agree with, I just had to unsubscribe, and Im basically Jesus when it comes to punching urges.
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Thane Krios - Thu, 14 Nov 2019 23:48:21 EST j75OC4Vb No.745847 Reply
>>745834
I just never found him entertaining or informative. It's always surface level shit I either already knew, or could learn in a shorter period of time searching for it.

And also the fact he is pro doxxing and censorship makes me despise the cunt.
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 05:49:40 EST hi2hFY86 No.745858 Reply
>>745847
He regularly asks his audience NOT to dox people or behave like twats, and is anti censorship. But w/e
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Thane Krios - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 06:48:10 EST j75OC4Vb No.745862 Reply
>>745858
There is a video at a convention, where he is doing a panel and someone asks about people saying spicy hurt words on the internet. The co-commentor says that if you say mean things on the internet, it is okay for him to put out your private informations for any and all to see, to which Jim sterling agrees.

And what about all the times he got upset about games being on steam and wanting them removed? Surely that's censorship. Or has censorship changed?
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Machine Gun Willy - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 07:58:00 EST 0XOfp486 No.745864 Reply
>>745863
Agreed. He's one of the only game journalists that I trust in the slightest.

>>745862
If you're talking about the shovelware, asset flips and other assorted garbage that he has talked about many times, most people agree. Steam is so fucking cluttered with absolute trash that I find it hard to believe you could possibly disagree with him.
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Dregs - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 08:39:28 EST TV9Za1Xo No.745866 Reply
>>745829
Jim Sterling is the epitome of the internet sperglord. Even when he's right, you just want to punch him in the face. He's not wrong. He's just an asshole. I trust him to tell the truth about games. I just can't stand watching him for more than 2 minutes because he rants on and on about the same god damned thing for 20 minutes without adding any new insights. The last video of his I actually liked was when he lampooned fallout first, and even that was just 20 minutes of him going "the scrap chest deletes your items" while laughing.
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Ristar - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 08:52:35 EST uZxzC6+0 No.745868 Reply
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>>745830
>shut the fuck up.
No, manchild.

The fact that you, personally, get so ridiculously triggered by some guy's British accent or whatever doesn't outweigh the fact that he's basically the only games journalist besides SuperBunnyHop that actually talks about real substantive shit .
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Dr. Yang - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:01:22 EST j0uAWvGW No.745869 Reply
>>745868

I like both george's show and jim's show. And I also like both creators personally.
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Martin Septim - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:11:21 EST MOtaBO4v No.745871 Reply
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>>745868
>SuperBunnyHop
Ugh, that douche's channel has basically devolved into a glorified Audible commercial so he can monetize his Greek vacation photos. Seriously, the dude needs to fucking stop talking about Assassin's Creed Odyssey already god damn! What an unrepentant sellout.

Can we all just agree that 100% of all youtube ""journalists"" are fucking trash without exception.
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Dr. Yang - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:17:12 EST j0uAWvGW No.745873 Reply
>>745871

I disagree with you. I like George. His last name is weedman.
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Dregs - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:25:35 EST TV9Za1Xo No.745875 Reply
>>745867
Lazy Game Review is good, but he only does old school stuff for the most part. RIP Totalbiscuit. He was honest, informative, and not a sperg lord. If I want to get to know a game a bit, I just youtube gameplay of it and I don't really have a go to reviewer. I know if I want to play a game by watching it. Honestly, I just don't watch much game journalism these days. When people were reporting on "pay to play" type game reviews where people get invited to a studio and treated like kings so that they'll give a game a favourable review it seemed more important. Ethics in games journalism has been an issue for me ever since I saw Doom 3 get a 98% score in PC Gamer Magazine. After playing, I can say the game is barely worth a 70%. But it was ID studios who made the game, and PC Gamer wanted to be invited back to try future projects. It really opened my eyes to the fact that a lot of the time reviews are little more than paid ads.

Nowadays games journalists seems like they've just settled into their groove calling out predatory microtransactions and DLC, which have always been a problem and people have always called game companies out for it. Even back when we called it an expansion pack people would get mad if it came out too quickly, since that was a sign it was cut content repacked and sold again.

I guess the whole "marketing gambling to kids" thing is a hot issue, and rightfully so. But I've not seen anyone tackle this issue with any class or meaningful reporting.
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Kirtaner !Ub4TCdRjOM - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:37:45 EST boeON+Qn No.745877 Reply
>>745875
>Ethics in games journalism has been an issue for me ever since I saw Doom 3 get a 98% score in PC Gamer Magazine

Repeat after me:

Reviews are subjective. Reviews are subjective. Reviews are subjective. Reviews are subjective. Reviews are subjective. Reviews are subjective. Reviews are subjective. Reviews are subjective. Reviews are subjective. Reviews are subjective. Reviews are subjective. Reviews are subjective. Reviews are subjective.
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Kirtaner !Ub4TCdRjOM - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:39:34 EST boeON+Qn No.745878 Reply
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ON TOPIC POST

5 hours in and I am having one hell of a time with Kojima's unshackled insanity and baby shaking simulator. Holy shit.
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Dregs - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 09:50:31 EST TV9Za1Xo No.745879 Reply
>>745877
I get that there's a certain amount of subjectivity to reviews, but there's a big discrepancy between magazine/game site reviews and user reviews with Doom 3 specifically. Users rate it much lower, and I think this has a lot to do with the fact that major gaming publications rely on having a good relationship with game publishers in order to continue existing.

On topic: No way my PC could run this game, but it actually looks like fun. I've been watching JackScepticEye's playthrough. Just saw him steal a mule truck. I'll have to readjust my previous assessment of this game: It's metal gear solid subsistence+paper boy+silent hill. Weird combo, but it works. It'll be interesting to see how the online integration changes over time. What happens if the community gets together to cover all the rivers with bridges? What if people start griefing with structures in BT zones?
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Dr. Yang - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:06:13 EST j0uAWvGW No.745880 Reply
>>745878

What the fuck are those goggles? I wouldn't use them as safety goggles.

>>745879

Even if game journalism is a fuark I think you can still get gaming news by gossiping with friends in meatspace or posting questions on 420chan. Are you reassured that you can enjoy videogames when some unknown writer is lying about enjoying Doom 3?
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Dregs - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:12:17 EST TV9Za1Xo No.745881 Reply
>>745880
I was just explaining that I don't think even independent game reviewers have been the same since that whole debacle like 5 years ago. And that's why I rely on game footage and conversations with people like you guys instead of the schills.
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Glass Joe - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:19:31 EST qmca6i+J No.745882 Reply
>>745877
>Repeat after me: Don't think, just consume. Don't think, just consume.

Don't be so obtuse Kirt. We live in a world where reviewers can get fired for giving a bad review to a game that's being marketed on their site. There's no subjectivity when there's a literal gun being put to the head of the "journalist" forcing them to say only good things or face losing their livelihood.
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Dr. Yang - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 10:29:15 EST j0uAWvGW No.745883 Reply
>>745882

Your yellow text differs from the original in many ways. I think if Kurt wanted to say that, he would have said that. I think you're putting words in his mouth.
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 11:59:46 EST hi2hFY86 No.745886 Reply
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>>745862
I think you misconstrued the video at the convention. The idea wasnt to fucking Dox the assholes using language you done agree with, it was that making a twat out of yourself PUTS that target on your back, and most people don't have much remorse for the fuckhead that said some stupid ass shit on twitter that haunts them for a while.

Not wanting shitty shovelware on steam is not censorship, its pointing out the trash that companies were shitting out in an attempt to get Valve to maybe do something about the litter that was fucking up the store to the point that legitimately good indie games were being buried under a pile of shit.
Valve not only changed up the way they take new games to the storefront, but they also invited Jim and some other chucklefucks out to talk to them personally about the issue. And when Valve only applied half measured responses you got many of those same Indie devs flocking to the Epic game store instead, not only because of the better pay cut they are offering, but also for the better exposure a well curated selection of games provides.
>>745882
Is there a literal gun? I don't think that word means what you think it means.

One last bit about Jim before I stop offtopic postin: his personality and image also turned me off from his shit for years, until I realized he was just heeling it up for the yuks. I mean look at his wrestling gear for fucks sake you know this guy is in on the joke. This isn't some Irate gamer or DSP type person here.
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Carmen Sandiego - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:22:45 EST VymHzeBE No.745890 Reply
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>>745886
Yes, there's a literal gun and whips and chains are involved too. I don't think you realize just how dire it is.
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KLEZ.fml !!cEQLOiCj - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 13:22:57 EST 5nRDyOou No.745891 Reply
>>745886
Yeah I hated him when he was on the Escapists and they kept pairing him with Yahtzee. Nowadays he's doing god's work.
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Thane Krios - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 14:36:15 EST j75OC4Vb No.745895 Reply
>>745863
You can like who you like, but I think the guy is a bag of dicks.
>>745864
No, I'm talking about him getting upset when steam doesn't take down games like trans simulator or letting porn games up because that's offensive to him personally.
>>745886
"I have every right to find your address and put it out there". To which jim sterling nods and says "yes". That's a direct quote.

And why do you guys go for the "it's about shovelware"? I'm talking about things where these people complain about shit, then steam said "fuck it, as long as it runs, we will publish it" and they got angry about porn games.
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Jill Valentine - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:08:51 EST g80xiban No.745897 Reply
>>745878
I checked a few minutes of cutscenes on youtube and it took me like 4 attempts to close the video before I spoil anything, very captivating.
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:15:48 EST hi2hFY86 No.745898 Reply
>>745895
I've never heard him shitting on porn games, but he did shit on the school shooter simulator or what ever the fuck that was.

Also agreeing that some one has a right to find and publish a persons home address is not the same thing as agreeing that its morally right.
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Kirtaner !Ub4TCdRjOM - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:16:45 EST boeON+Qn No.745899 Reply
>>745898
>Also agreeing that some one has a right to find and publish a persons home address is not the same thing as agreeing that its morally right.

This.
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Thane Krios - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:21:53 EST j75OC4Vb No.745902 Reply
>>745898
Agreeing that people should be allowed to dox others for hurt feelings isn't the same as agreeing to dox people over hurt feelings?
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Kirtaner !Ub4TCdRjOM - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:23:56 EST boeON+Qn No.745903 Reply
>>745902
It's your legal right to do it. It isn't illegal. If someone wants to, they can. You know, 'free speech' and all that.
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Thane Krios - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:35:41 EST j75OC4Vb No.745904 Reply
>>745903
I don't think that's free speech. Especially when you're doing it with malicious intent because someone called you a faggot on the internet.
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Dr. Yang - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 15:44:31 EST j0uAWvGW No.745905 Reply
>>745904

> DOING SPEECH WITH MALICIOUS INTENT

Who's the fucking thought police now, anon?
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Thane Krios - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 16:50:37 EST j75OC4Vb No.745908 Reply
>>745905
"Hey guys, here is the perspnal address of someone who has hirt my feelings" says the public figure.

Oh wait, Alex Jones was found guilty of shit less than that and allowing that to carry on. ALMOST LIKE, and stick with me, THERE ARE LEGAL PRECEDENTS FOR THIS SHIT RETARD!
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Gannon - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:41:29 EST sQaWg6XX No.745909 Reply
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>>745877

Ever since game journalism outlets have been running a single review by some 20-something nobody trying to give objective review scores on numerous metrics the way IGN and every other site does it... repeat after me.

>Reviews are worthless. Reviews are worthless. Reviews are worthless. Reviews are worthless. Reviews are worthless. Reviews are worthless. Reviews are worthless. Reviews are worthless.

Why not put another review up? Why not integrate multiple reviews into an editorial process to provide more useful reviews as well as an actual impression of your reviewers upon the readers? Because those are all people that could be writing hot take clickbaits about how every androgynous video game character is non-binary and every one that crossdresses is trans without regard for being completely contradictory to the text of the games in question.
The game journalism outlets are practically driving us to Youtube. It's not like we want to be there. It's just that Youtube naturally provides all of the things they miraculously stopped giving a shit about the moment their print mags closed down.
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Gannon - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 17:49:19 EST sQaWg6XX No.745910 Reply
>>745875
>RIP Totalbiscuit
Also not a game reviewer. And the most vocal about why review scores are worthless and the most honest about why he didn't try to do reviews. He never had time to do reviews and unlike all of you assholes he was never gonna call a review a review when he had never finished a game.
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Thane Krios - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:27:34 EST j75OC4Vb No.745911 Reply
>>745909
For a good example, I use dishonored 2. I can't remember the site, but, I know they gave the game a lower score because his comp didn't run it at 60fps on ultra.

Or bayo on polygon. "Kinda sexist, 6.0".
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Gannon - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:40:42 EST sQaWg6XX No.745912 Reply
>>745911
None of this would be such a perceived problem if these sites ran multiple views. Because any time one of these hot take monsters shows their bias it effectivlely reflects on the entire publisher in the eyes of gamers rather than the isolated opinion it is.
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Thane Krios - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 18:46:20 EST j75OC4Vb No.745913 Reply
>>745912
True, but, when it's a site like polygon where they keep doing it over and over, the problem becomes a lot more apparent.

I just think the sites should be shut down because they don't do anything useful. If I want to see a game befoee I buy it, there are tons of videos with 0 commentary. If I want to hear opinions, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of people on youtube doing it. All angles and opinions covered.
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John Shepard - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:29:32 EST sQaWg6XX No.745917 Reply
>>745915
It really wasn't journalism. He just did commentary. What made it useful was that in a world where there aren't any frigging game demos anymore, his videos would provide a non-interactive demo, complete with fiddling around in the options menu for 20 minutes.
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John Shepard - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 19:38:05 EST sQaWg6XX No.745918 Reply
>>737807
TIL that the amount of commentary in journalism is so goddamn high at this point that people are forgetting the distinction.

NB
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Kazuma Kiryu - Fri, 15 Nov 2019 22:31:05 EST W54BMgUQ No.745934 Reply
>>745931
There is a difference between "it runs poorly on my specific rig" and runs like shit. It was horribly optimized, yeah, but for "my computer should run it on ultra at 60 fps is so weird to me. It ran at 45.
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Boo - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 00:29:28 EST S4c8HFon No.745947 Reply
>>745913
>I just think the sites should be shut down because they don't do anything useful.
yeah they do. marketing and generating ad revenue. (i agree with your sentiment.)

>>745877
>reviews are subjective
this. and subjective does not = journalism. basically. we shouldn't even be using the term here. more accurately the issue is dishonesty in product reviews. in the big blob of game publishers, developers, gaming sites, there's little transparency. we really should not be looking at reviews published by gaming news sites and becoming outraged when they display a lack of ethics. what even is this thread nb.
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Cole Phelps - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 03:43:05 EST BdnvxroW No.745954 Reply
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>>745947
>subjective does not = journalism
There's no such thing as objective journalism. The journalist's bias is always going to affect which the information they feel is relevant.

Effective propaganda is rarely outright lies and editorializing, but selecting facts such that people adopt the desired perspective and believe they have a complete understanding of all sides of an issue.
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Naomi Hunter - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 03:48:00 EST j75OC4Vb No.745956 Reply
>>745954
What if it was argued they don't actually do anything that could be described as "journalism"? Cause they don't from what I can tell.
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John Shepard - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 03:54:25 EST sQaWg6XX No.745957 Reply
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>>745954
>no such thing as objective journalism.

Is this what people actually fucking believe in the year of our lord 2019? Jesus christ.
There are facts and ways to present them that don't load opinion for no goddamn reason. These are not as good at getting attention as hot takes and pandering to the knee-jerkest impulses of the audience.
Where the fuck is the BBC World or NPR of video games? There isn't one. It doesn't fucking exist.
The problem with that is that despite the fact of half the print mags being just as corrupt if not MUCH more than gaming outlets today, some of them were actually trying.
Nobody's even TRYING. They've all embraced the dark side. late-stage capitalism'd to fuck despite the fact that they all seem to be lefty enough that they're pinker than the inside of Dave Rubin's vomitrocious, repulsive steak.

Every major gaming site on the internet is just some glorified opinion blog at this point. Worthless.
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King Dedede - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 03:57:02 EST PMXxl+m4 No.745958 Reply
>>745956
You can call it whatever you like, its just information some people want
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King Dedede - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 04:00:40 EST PMXxl+m4 No.745959 Reply
>>745957
You should start an objective gaming news and review website if you care so much.
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John Shepard - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 05:03:21 EST sQaWg6XX No.745961 Reply
>>745959
Because a one-man operation cannot review video games for many many many reasons that have been outlined in this thread.

What a one-man operation can do is compete with these assholes on the clickbait and insubstantial shit.
See the problem? Our entire ecosystem surfaces the shit at the expense of substance and it's entirely fucking mechanized at this point. You don't get to override it. It's built into the algorithms and the social media platforms and the capitalism.
It's all fucked.
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Bob the Killer Goldfish - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 06:24:44 EST 58PhXXtD No.745966 Reply
>>745957
>Is this what people actually fucking believe in the year of our lord 2019? Jesus christ.
This is what anybody with a functioning brain and a rudimentary understanding of journalism, the writing process, the editorial process, the human brain and human biases.

Why do you think double-blinding is so important in scientific trials? It's because human biases seep into literally everything we do. You cannot expect something as messy and chaotic and subjective as human brain to produce true objectivity free of individual influences. Even a robot would be subject to the biases of those who programmed it.

There is no such thing as truly objective journalism. It is worthwhile to try as much as possible, yes, but you can never be truly objective. This is just something you have to deal with when you grow up and understand how the world works.
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Sub-Zero - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 06:56:54 EST C2s6sXtv No.745967 Reply
>>745961
You dont have to override the whole system to make a change, all you need to do is play your part right, but I understand its harder than complaining and calling for someone else to fix the world. Your problem is that you dont understand that improving humanity is a long and laborious process, theres no shortcut, no revolution will fix gaming press.
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John Shepard - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 09:55:02 EST sQaWg6XX No.745968 Reply
>>745967
>all you need to do is play your part right
To nobody, for no money.
I already told you all, this is why this shit moved to Youtube. There is no way to bootstrap a publication in this environment without the support of a large media group. To get that support you must play the game, which is now rigged to pander to the same social media bullshit as everything else.

So with the path forward we've still lost the multi-review structure and the editorial oversight. All of that shit is up to the end user now, and it's why the youtube space is also pretty shitty, and EXTREMELY time inefficient.
It's like the game review equivalent of browsing 4chon for quality content. Lot of wasted potential and you've gotta wade through a bunch of nazis.

>>745966
Nobody's even trying. Their personal biases are running the show because that's how they write their "culture" articles where all the clickbait resides.

Meanwhile, what I actually should have done was join the grift and make mystery box videos to con children into getting me shitloads of ad revenue. But unfortunately for my bank account I'm not a reprehensibly terrible person.
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Kirtaner !Ub4TCdRjOM - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:04:01 EST boeON+Qn No.745969 Reply
>>745957
Reviews aren’t journalism. They’re art criticism. Thus, they cannot be objective.
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Jago - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 10:17:18 EST 4xK/JtqP No.745970 Reply
>>745968
>To nobody, for no money.
You might not become rich and famous and almost certainly wont fix journalism singlehandedly, but as long as you reach at least those in your circle, you will make a real change. And if every well meaning person took that approach, we would fix the problem in mere few generations. Your all or nothing attitude is not helping.
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 11:45:11 EST hi2hFY86 No.745975 Reply
>>745969
At most I'd argue you could review the mechanics, but only in a comparative way. Like a game that controls terribly will probably never have some one who loves the fucked up controls.
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Kirtaner !Ub4TCdRjOM - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 12:24:45 EST nM3xb7Yb No.745976 Reply
>>745975
At the same time there are games built around this entire concept like QWOP, Happy Wheels, and Getting Over It.
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 12:51:22 EST hi2hFY86 No.745978 Reply
>>745976
yeah but intentions versus ineptitude come into play.
even this sort of back and forth furthers your first point about subjectivity lmao
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Jin Kazama - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 13:52:16 EST j0uAWvGW No.745981 Reply
>>745978

Y'know theres a guy who fucks himself with icicles made from his own poo?

Makes me think, maybe your personal sense of aesthetics differs from other people's sometimes, so your evaluation of a game might be different from someone else's

Theres some interesting stuff in death stranding. I often felt bored and would browse 420chan during the inventory management and some of the walking. What happens if you just go outside without any cargo?
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Naomi Hunter - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:39:30 EST j75OC4Vb No.745985 Reply
>>745969
I'd argue that. You can reciew things that are objective. Enjoying a story is a personal thing where as "how was the story told" is another. How was a story told can be completely objective. Did they stop to look at the camera and tell you the story, or did they just show you it happening? Where the plotholes left open, or filled in. My biggest problem is when they stay saying and talking about shit that has nothing to do woth the game, or are bad at it.
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Kirtaner !Ub4TCdRjOM - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 14:44:18 EST boeON+Qn No.745987 Reply
>>745985
>How was a story told can be completely objective. Did they stop to look at the camera and tell you the story, or did they just show you it happening? Where the plotholes left open, or filled in.

Someone can have completely different subjective opinions about storytelling methodology, and open plot holes are a common trope in multiple thriller-adjacent genres.

Games are art and are part of the completely subjective world of art criticism.

This post was edited by Kirtaner on 16-11-2019 14:45:11
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John Shepard - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 18:35:22 EST sQaWg6XX No.746003 Reply
>>745990
This kind of shit is why people want to punch Jim Sterling.

My god you can hear his shitty reactionary screeching in his writing.
This nigga never shoulda showed his face on youtube. I kinda liked his writing before I knew the voice he was writing in.

It's not about "reviews can be objective" It's "reviews don't have to be 100% one guy's shitty opinion"
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John Shepard - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 18:45:42 EST sQaWg6XX No.746004 Reply
>>745969
>Reviews aren’t journalism. They’re art criticism. Thus, they cannot be objective.

This is EXACTLY why IGN's format is such a fucking problem. They give like 5 different aggregate review scores for different aspects of the game, but it's absolutely fucking pointless because it's one person's opinion over and over again.

So it's just pages and pages of long-winded wankery and it could all be edited down if you had two more people do coverage and edit them together into a coherent review where different opinions can provide much more OBJECTIVELY useful information.
Where subjectivity is involved you need triangulation.

The thing is the actual journalism is so goddamn loaded with opinion and bullshit. At some point I read Jason Schreier saying "If you want to know about polygon counts there are plenty of places you can find that"
But there actually aren't. Nobody provides that crap anymore. I literally haven't seen a polygon count mention in 8 years. Everyone focuses on cult of personality crap and soft shit to pander to a wider audience.

But where's the fucking beef? I haven't seen any since EGM went out of print a decade ago.
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Gannon - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 18:47:22 EST 8lzNBYjx No.746005 Reply
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>>746003
You people get way too fucking triggered way too fucking easily.
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Chrono - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 19:01:46 EST j0uAWvGW No.746008 Reply
>>746004

Most people don't even know how to separate opinions and observations. I agree we'd be better off of folks could observe something without casting judgement.

I like Jim, Grimbeard, Mandalore, sseth I noticed in their videos they provide in-text evidence to support their opinions which they also share in their videos.
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Haohmaru - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 19:02:08 EST sQaWg6XX No.746009 Reply
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>>746005
It wasn't that easy, it takes like a year or two to burn out on Sterling's padded out, whiny pontificating shtick.

>While I approve of what you say sir, I would fight to the death for my right to not hear it coming out of your little bitch mouth
-Motto of Jim Sterling fans of yesteryear.
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Chrono - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 19:06:19 EST j0uAWvGW No.746011 Reply
>>746008
Woops, I forgot Ross. I also like his game reviews they're very detailed.
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Haohmaru - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 19:21:07 EST uZxzC6+0 No.746012 Reply
>>746003
I dunno, I thought it was a fairly clever way to illustrate how any review of art necessarily requires subjectivity to be at all useful, and the fact that it apparently rubbed you the wrong way so badly seems to further prove the point.
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Chrono - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 19:47:08 EST j0uAWvGW No.746015 Reply
I want the mailmans clothes, especially those boots. They seem really durable.
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Chrono - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 20:10:31 EST j0uAWvGW No.746017 Reply
>>746015

I think it's funny that despite all the realism in the game, the motorcycle works like a toy. It doesn't look like you can low-side and I've seen some collisions which definitely would not have worked out the way they were depicted in the game.
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KLEZ.fml !!cEQLOiCj - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 20:33:02 EST 5nRDyOou No.746019 Reply
>>746018
Yes but I don't think he does the character's voice. Just mocap and face scan.
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Chrono - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 20:39:17 EST j0uAWvGW No.746021 Reply
>>746019

Whaaat? That's cool. He's the big man who shows norman reedus how to use his baby right?
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The Vault Dweller - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 20:58:00 EST j75OC4Vb No.746022 Reply
>>745987
The difference is how you interpret/enjoy the story method vs "how the story is delivered". It's like saying "the story is told to you in background details, little things that require attention" vs "the cutscenes told the story". How it is delivered is entirely different.
>>745990
That's clearly written as tongue in massive jiggly cheek. It's not hard to write an objective review without being a fat cunt. You can write about controls, graphics, sound, ambience, and a lot more. All things that can be described objectively.
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Chrono - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:25:51 EST j0uAWvGW No.746024 Reply
>>746019

I looked it up and things are as you say. Apparently they only used his likenesa out of respect for his busy filmmaking schedule. So the mocap and voices were done by others.
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Chrono - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:38:53 EST j0uAWvGW No.746025 Reply
>>746024

To add, the wiki also says that guillermo del toro introduced hideo kojima to norman reedus. Celebrities are so enigmatic. Never would have guessed those guys would be friends like that.
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Chrono - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 21:42:32 EST j0uAWvGW No.746026 Reply
Higgs looks like a cobra, but his name is actually higgs because he self-identifies as the higgs boson. I think he could have named himself ourourbourous or something, just to keep the snake thing going. Do y'all think that higgs as a name for this specific character contributes to any major themes of the story?
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Haohmaru - Sat, 16 Nov 2019 23:32:56 EST sQaWg6XX No.746031 Reply
>>746012
>and the fact that it apparently rubbed you the wrong way so badly seems to further prove the point.

Why did I unblock you? You're still doing the same shit. I'm not explaining this again.

>>746022
>That's clearly written as tongue in massive jiggly cheek.
And yet it finds a way to belabor the point beyond reason. Which is what he will always do, to pad out his word count, to pad out his run time, to pad out his filthy jiggling ego.

>You can write about controls, graphics, sound, ambience, and a lot more. All things that can be described objectively.
When did people stop writing about controls? It's like, the most important aspect of how a game actually feels to play. Snappy? Responsive? Deliberately weighty and not so responsive? Accidentally not so responsive and thus kinda bad? Busted all to fuck?
Some games obviously don't need this, but anything that isn't menu-based and has a unique feel does. Even point and click games, whether they have turn rate or instant directional movement.
Hardly anyone bothers to cover these basics in depth anymore. They all go straight for the pop-culture angle.
I just clicked through 10 recent IGN articles, and not one of them gave more than one line to the controls, if that.

The Polygon, PCGamer, review of Death Stranding didn't mention controls at all. Eurogamer mentioned the trigger-balancing system but no further description. The IGN review said: "Stubborn controls"
I've played the game 10 minutes and I can describe them better than that. Weighty, deliberate controls with a sizeable amount of delay built in, mimicking the unwieldiness of a heavy unbalanced pack. This shit is why it's the best walking game ever made.This shit carries the game. It is defining.
But nah, it's just "stubborn controls" or not even worth mentioning.

They're a cunt hair's breadth from just treating these games as if they're movies. It's pathetic. It's not what a prospective buyer needs to know to figure out whether they'll enjoy a game or not. A game reviewer is not just Roger Ebert. There's groundwork to do and it's not getting done.
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Chrono - Sun, 17 Nov 2019 01:13:53 EST j0uAWvGW No.746041 Reply
I've been watching kirt play for a few days now. I really like it so far. I hope there are more types of supernatural hazards in the game. Shit like the meat grinder from roadside picnic.
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Chrono - Sun, 17 Nov 2019 01:15:24 EST j0uAWvGW No.746042 Reply
>>746041

From watching Kirt I've learned that the main characters name is sam, and he is willing to piss on ghosts, but he gets shy when living people can see him.
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Dregs - Sun, 17 Nov 2019 02:32:51 EST TV9Za1Xo No.746057 Reply
>>746042
He also throws his blood at ghosts, but you probably haven't seen that part yet.
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The Vault Dweller - Sun, 17 Nov 2019 03:21:32 EST j75OC4Vb No.746065 Reply
>>746031
I'm still upset about the hosting shit with gears my buddy told me about years ago.
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Mokujin - Sun, 17 Nov 2019 03:42:48 EST XT3lbW6d No.746066 Reply
>>746057

No I havent. But I did see the part where he says:

> I'm a mail man: I move stuff around, fight monsters and terrorists.
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Gravelord Nito - Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:16:26 EST tXpxDRmB No.746095 Reply
Welp, pulled the trigger on it. Let's see if I enjoy it enough to finish. Even if not I feel alright about supporting the notion of auteur games. Not every one will be for everyone but I'd rather see more of those than more cookie cutter AAA shite.
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Krista Sparks - Sun, 17 Nov 2019 21:41:34 EST 0Az2hD3k No.746098 Reply
>>746079

Wow, that video is so on the nose. Not seeing these reviewers give me a straight answer bothered the shit out of me. I caved in last week and bought it when I saw someone on /v/ write this:

>If you've played Xenoblade Chronicles 2, remember how it takes about 2/3 through the game before they've finally finished rolling out and teaching you all the nuances of the combat system?
>Death Stranding is kind of like that. You have a lot of control over the actions of the MC, but they explain those systems to you over the course of hours and hours. To the point where you're constantly discovering some new interesting shit you can do to interact with the world and navigate through challenging terrain.
>Overall, it's not the 3/10 or 4/10 some journos that clearly have only played the first hour say that it is. It's a solid 7.5/10 game, which you would rate even higher if you're a fan of Kojima's quirky style

So far I'm on chapter three, and I'm enjoying the game. I'm not just saying that because Kojima's name is attached to this, because this is literally the last game I thought I would enjoy. It's not for everyone. You gotta just take a leap of faith with this one and not rely on anyone else's opinion. It feels like a UPS/Hiking simulator, but you're also on an adventure.
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Naomi Hunter - Sun, 17 Nov 2019 23:58:46 EST IcB310ea No.746100 Reply
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>>746079

"hey i went and saw the new david lynch film, shit is wacky but pretty interesting"

"Oh nice, is it fun?"

"i dunno, i mean it's really weird and a little boring. probably not for everyone. but if you enjoy having to re-"

'IS IT FUN? IS IT FUN? IS IT FUN?"
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Daxter - Mon, 18 Nov 2019 00:05:45 EST p3ii5NPa No.746101 Reply
Why doesn't Kojima just make a movie?
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Nightmare - Mon, 18 Nov 2019 00:25:31 EST OZloz4JS No.746103 Reply
>>746068

So is there a no.3 ex grenade? Does Norman Reedus separate his poop and pee because the toilet is too small for him to fit his wanger whilst makin brown?
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Goomba - Mon, 18 Nov 2019 00:33:12 EST MehSHK3L No.746104 Reply
>>746101
I'm sure he will in time. I could easily see a Guillermo del Toro produced Kojima film in the next ten years.
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Pinky - Mon, 18 Nov 2019 16:53:46 EST /YI0/vvV No.746122 Reply
>>746105
Im sure it would be a box office hit and a cult classic no matter how bad it was, but It would probably be pretty good too.
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Cranky Kong - Tue, 19 Nov 2019 11:58:15 EST 7CHfxEMc No.746163 Reply
>>745957
Forbes dude. Forbes game reviews are on point and the only ones I tale seriously anymore
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Guile - Tue, 19 Nov 2019 15:16:07 EST BdnvxroW No.746176 Reply
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>>746163
It's really ironic too, since the rest of Forbes is propagandized trash barely a step above The Economist, yet their videogame reviews are less biased than the parts of the industry that literally only review games.
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Lee Chaolan - Tue, 19 Nov 2019 18:34:18 EST BJtLvEfC No.746185 Reply
>>746163
I agree with Kirt here. Reviews aren't supposed to be objective.

Now whether people are dishonest with what they felt during their experience of the game due to being given exclusives or money is a different question. The answers frequently give us good cause to lack faith in a lot of video game reviews and also the factual side of it.

There are a few legit reviewers out there but even then their taste will vary from you, so you need to find someone you trust AND have a lot in common with and really a few of them to be sure.

Or you wait a month or two and see what the buzz is like when the hyperbole dies down. But either way, reviews aren't supposed to be about facts, they're about a subjective experience. I actually really like reading this board. By reading people's subjective opinions I get a good idea about what common themes the fans and haters come across. Sometimes I know a game is good but not for me as a result, or isn't amazing but I'll love it. That requires a bit of self awareness rather than just trusting that some guy is both just like you and honest but it works for me. I think /pure shit/ has sold me more good games than reviewers have in the last few years. Thanks guys.
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Katt Monroe - Tue, 19 Nov 2019 19:40:22 EST HBVJmkKb No.746188 Reply
Jesus christ, this shit is gonna win Game of the Year.

Fuckin' Green Book ass choice, but I'm calling it right now.
Sekiro, Control, RE2 all deserve it more and Death Stranding deserves to sweep the ancillary categories.

But we can't always get what we deserve.
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April Ryan - Tue, 19 Nov 2019 20:16:25 EST tXpxDRmB No.746190 Reply
>>746188
Does Control really deserve it? I was shocked to see it nominated tbh.
I think Smash might take it. DS definitely doesn't make sense for GOTY. I think it will lose GOTY but win some other categories.
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Katt Monroe - Tue, 19 Nov 2019 20:30:23 EST HBVJmkKb No.746191 Reply
>>746190
I dunno. It's the only one I haven't played. Only reason I mentioned it.
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Bolozof Velasgo - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 01:29:50 EST mt80M2A8 No.746206 Reply
It was great fun, but occasionally it made me shit myself and I kept getting super bad headaches.
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Razputin Aquato - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 01:50:18 EST jTtmIrck No.746207 Reply
>>746188
>>746176

Hey, dudes shitting up this thread by bitching about people on the internet disagreeing with your opinions: the navy is slaughtering my friends and stealing water from the farms that feed my community. I come here to chill out and talk about death stranding and you grundlchodes are fucking everything up. I don't even read this shit that you're bitching about. Like, if IGN and the game advertisements are disingenuous pulp, then why the fuck do you keep going to them for news?

THERE ARE OTHER PEOPLE WHO WILL TALK TO YOU ABOUT VIDEOGAMES. NOW TALK TO ME ABOUT DEATH STRANDING.
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Katt Monroe - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 12:41:10 EST HBVJmkKb No.746224 Reply
>>746207
Are you aware that you kinda started shitting up the thread again after it had naturally shifted back to Death Stranding?
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Bolozof Velasgo - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 14:05:04 EST mt80M2A8 No.746229 Reply
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America is rebuilt using likes
Don't let Reedus get drunk or he'll fight BB and pour beer on you then punch you for looking at his junk
The character that is constantly lactating
Beached whales and bridged whales or sT
BB was kill
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honk - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:16:16 EST hRfsG87y No.746257 Reply
>>746188
>Jesus christ, this shit is gonna win Game of the Year.
Doubt it lol.
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Dark Link - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:31:53 EST HBVJmkKb No.746259 Reply
>>746257
I am of two minds on this. Either it loses and sweeps all the other categories or it wins and doesn't.

Games were weak this year though, and with so many of the judges being game journalists I dunno if Sekiro is gonna get its fair dues.
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Serious Sam - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:41:14 EST XT3lbW6d No.746260 Reply
>>746259

>games were weak

>disco elysium, outer worlds, children of morta, code vein, blasphemous, blair witch, bloodstained, void bastards, RE2, hypnospace outlaw

Whaaat? I'm confused.
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Feng Wei - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:45:09 EST 20WTriXt No.746261 Reply
>>746260
>code vein
>smirking anime girls.png
the only actual blockbuster contender for an award like this on that list is RE2
it was a good year for smaller games and indies, it was the quietest year for AAA in a decade.
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Dark Link - Wed, 20 Nov 2019 23:52:51 EST HBVJmkKb No.746262 Reply
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>>746260
But these are the nominees. Disco Elysium ain't in, despite deserving it more than Outer Worlds. (Great choices and consequences for the player, not so great characters and shooting mechanics. If that's what Disco Elysium is competing directly against... I'll lose the combat and go with Disco Elysium.)

I honestly think they're gonna go with Death Stranding for uniqueness, breaking new ground etc over the super fun game everyone loves, because it isn't that.
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PaRappa the Rapper - Thu, 21 Nov 2019 05:09:08 EST IcB310ea No.746272 Reply
I enjoyed all the games on that list but I gotta go with RE2. Not often does a remake expand upon the original so well but still remain true to it.

Disco better be winning a bunch of other awards though
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CRAPCOM !SNGayGTIcE - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 03:21:45 EST VeIaNXXy No.746382 Reply
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>>746262
>I honestly think they're gonna go with Death Stranding for uniqueness, breaking new ground etc
yes that's the reason

yes i realize actual game critics make up the massive lion's share of voting and critics have run hot and cold on DS at best but that isn't fun for the joke
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Nightwolf - Sat, 30 Nov 2019 19:52:07 EST j4dqRSlA No.746847 Reply
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I'm burned out from all the hype for this game. I might play it eventually when it's cheap and pre owned.
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Dregs - Sat, 30 Nov 2019 20:58:33 EST AaQteG9s No.746851 Reply
Now that I understand the story, I don't think it's a good game anymore.
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Slippy Toad - Sat, 30 Nov 2019 21:00:05 EST 0Az2hD3k No.746852 Reply
>>746807

You'll either like it or you'll hate it. If you hate it, you're well within your right. Literally all you do is deliver packages. If you like Kojima's charm, you most likely won't have an issue with Death Stranding.
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Dr. Yang - Sat, 30 Nov 2019 22:47:47 EST tXpxDRmB No.746856 Reply
>>746852
Only a couple chapters in at the moment so I expect my view to change, but right now I see it as a mixed bag. Don't really agree that a middling opinion on this game isn't possible to have.
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M. Bison - Sun, 01 Dec 2019 00:10:53 EST 8md5aTIY No.746857 Reply
>>746851
How the fuck can you understand the story? Isn't that the point of a Kojima game, to be so incredibly abstruse as to be impossible to determine whether or not it's any good?
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Dregs - Sun, 01 Dec 2019 02:06:08 EST AaQteG9s No.746861 Reply
>>746857
It's obtuse, but it boils down to the antagonist intentionally sabatoging their evil plan which is dumb.
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M. Bison - Sun, 01 Dec 2019 02:27:17 EST 8md5aTIY No.746862 Reply
>>746861
Huh. Yeah, somewhat predictable.

I think it's abstruse though.
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Yuffie Kisaragi - Sun, 01 Dec 2019 06:46:34 EST uyWGRjIM No.746865 Reply
>>746862
Obtuse is when you're being dumb.
Abstruse is when you're making someone feel dumb.

Why don't we use the same word for both sides of this shit like with 'Cynical'?
I dunno, who gives a shit?
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M. Bison - Sun, 01 Dec 2019 10:09:06 EST 8md5aTIY No.746874 Reply
>>746865
It's the difference between interested and interesting.

Obtuse is an adjective applied to humans who have difficulty understanding (dumb as shit). "He can't understand MGS2. He is a little obtuse."

Abstruse is for things that are difficult to understand (cryptic, esoteric). "I like the plot of MGS2 but it's a bit abstruse."

But, even the New York Times' writers incorrectly use obtuse instead of abstruse, so literally the only people who will care are the extremely well educated and English teachers. If you want to demonstrate that you're a smartie pants use abstruse. Otherwise obtuse absolutely does the job.
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Bad Mr. Frosty - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 01:06:59 EST ON5DvPVH No.746928 Reply
>>746874
If it's wrong, it's wrong. If everyone makes the same mistake, that doesn't make it right, IT'S STILL WRONG. Same goes for "adaption", IT'S NOT A WORD. It's ADAPTATION. Fuck the New York Times.
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Basch fon Rosenburg - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 02:00:54 EST 8md5aTIY No.746932 Reply
>>746928
Well, it's wrong until it's not wrong anymore. Language is always evolving. Spelling was radically different even 200 years ago, as was some grammar.

You can now "be loving" something, you can use the plural pronoun "they" for singular individuals (and not just trans people I mean), and you can use "if I was X" rather than "if I were X" for hypotheticals.

Language... language always changes.
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Prince of Persia - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 07:59:55 EST UcENjjuY No.746936 Reply
>>746928
I used to be like you man, getting upset and arguing with people about the use of 'literally'.
Just give it up, people are gonna talk the way they want to talk which is how language is going to evolve, for better or worse. As long as we can all understand each other without jumping through mental hoops it's all good.
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Ermac - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 08:18:04 EST tXpxDRmB No.746939 Reply
>>746936
I mean, people "misusing" literally has always just been a form of exaggeration. Never really got why people would get so wound up about that one specific exaggeration. Never seen someone get that same sort of response for saying "a million years" to describe an amount of time that was not, in fact, anywhere close to a million years.
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Sophitia Alexandra - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 11:09:08 EST yfWOIx0X No.746947 Reply
>>746939

Using the word 'literally' is supposed to mean you're not exaggerating when you're describing something. I assume you're using hyperbole when you say it takes "a million years" to do something, whereas saying "literally a million years" means it really does take 1 million years.

nb
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Irvine Kinneas - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 11:35:58 EST pjGZdNtP No.746948 Reply
>>746939
>people "misusing" literally has always just been a form of exaggeration

No it isn't.
The people who use it most commonly without regard for its meaning are using it as filler, not for any particular meaning at all.
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Duke Nukem - Thu, 05 Dec 2019 18:53:24 EST BJtLvEfC No.747034 Reply
>>746985
Because you already had the word "figuratively" for that purpose. When you use literally to exaggerate you are using it for the actual opposite of its meaning. Where it has become common no one knows if you mean figuratively or in the literal sense when you use it and so the word can't be used for its original purpose because that was to clarify that you were not being figurative or metaphorical but now it doesn't do that.

That's the problem, it has become an accepted definition and thus removed a word with no appropriate synonyms from our (figurative) toolbox so you could use it to express something there is already a word for. English is, in a very small way a less useful and effective language as a result.

There we go. Now you understand. Have a cookie. Literal or figurative I don't care.
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Lucy Stillman - Fri, 06 Dec 2019 06:38:43 EST hbTBWsD6 No.747047 Reply
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>>747034
But that's not the meaning there at all!

When people say literally, figuratively still is the last thing they'd want to say in that instance.

Instead, when they say something's literally a certain way, they're saying it's emphatically so. So they may be trying to say "distinctly" or perhaps unmistakably,profoundly or enormously.

Or they do just use it as filler, and/or to sound like they're talking in a technical manner, kinda like some everyday world treknobabble.

Oh yeah, and if you want to say literally, in many cases you can just say unmetaphorically. At least until those people commandeer that word too, along with precisely, unstretchedly, undistortedly or unambiguously, they literally need their easy means of being dramatic.
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R.O.B. - Sat, 07 Dec 2019 18:45:36 EST 0Az2hD3k No.747078 Reply
>>746856

>but right now I see it as a mixed bag

I think I'm gonna go back on what I said. I stopped playing for a few days, but this game is actually losing me.

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