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- Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:34:56 EST KOtt88cJ No.753361
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Let's talk about it.
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Nightmare - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:42:31 EST Q5scFLOB No.753362 Reply
>>753361
dont you play as a trans or something is that why i was seeing all the headlines about how "Some players will not like LOU2" I bought a ps2 and bought the first game but never finished it, worth playing through or no?
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Claire Redfield - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 11:26:56 EST KOtt88cJ No.753364 Reply
>>753362

>dont you play as a trans or something

I heard about a trans character, but I couldn't care less. Right now I'm interested in playing the game because 1) I've anticipated this game for a long time 2) I'm curious to see what all fuss is about from the leaks. I'm predicting it won't be a big deal since /pol/tards typically get butthurt from every little sign of diversity.

>bought the first game but never finished it, worth playing through or no?

Have you played RE4 or anything like it? Did you enjoy those games? Do you like survival gameplay? If the answer is yes to any of those questions, then you'll enjoy it.
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Nightmare - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 12:05:09 EST Q5scFLOB No.753365 Reply
>>753364
I meant ps3. I got to like the level after you get out of the city with the girl and youre sneaking around with those guys around. so the whole game is like this. I am revisiting another title I haven't yet played yet MGS 4! Which of these two games mgs 4 and LOU 1 do you think would be easier to finish first?

I did play re 4 and liked it. this game got a lot of positive feed back and I think ill end up liking it if i give it more of a chance
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Zero - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 12:10:47 EST xxALWBXM No.753366 Reply
This is one of those series that I have no idea how it got so popular in the first place. I played the first game when it came out and beat it. I don't know what everyone else saw in it, but all I saw was a generic zombie story with some bad gameplay.
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Luigi - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 12:31:03 EST RWMn+/wa No.753367 Reply
It's unbelievable seeing a trans character in a post apocalyptic setting. I don't believe it fits the narrative. I think they are trying to hamfist a current real issue in a world that doesn't fit. Even though it is something to be aware of, who ever the target audience is, it's not very broad and they already fucked this up.
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Vyse - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 12:52:05 EST EpgcqJcy No.753371 Reply
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>>753367

This is why current games suck and most media as well. They throw issues like this in the game idk maybe either to increase sales due to seem inclusive or caving in to pressure from sjw types who go on cancel campaigns if they feel they're not well representend. It's quite sad but it's why I stick to games made before 2016 these days almost no virtue signaling in the older games I think mgs v may have been the first game that caused a shit storm in the media because of quiet
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Four - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 12:58:58 EST T7tWKoN5 No.753372 Reply
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>>753367
>already fucked up

For a bigot sandwich like you, Maybe. But I don't care about the trans character, it ain't the first and it won't be the last. What I'm curious about is the gameplay and story. Every reviewer out there have it a 10/10. Not even exaggerating, go to the metacritic and it's just a long list of 100 perfect score of 84 reviewers. Shameless paid reviewers or the perfect game?
I doubt it will deliver, I really do, but I'm curious to watch a gameplay of it. Not gonna play it, I didn't remotely enjoy the first one, but I'm willing to watch a playthrough of it just to see how it holds up.
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Jax - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:00:52 EST lmeASA0D No.753373 Reply
>>753367
How is it so unbelievable? Trans people literally exist right now so were an apocalyptic scenario to happen, there'd likely be at least a few trans individuals that would survive, dude.

>>753371
>I think mgs v may have been the first game that caused a shit storm in the media
Not even going to address the rest of your post but fucking lmao
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Four - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:05:50 EST T7tWKoN5 No.753374 Reply
>>753371
>think mgs v may have been the first game to cause a shit storm

That's adorable.
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Kazuma Kiryu - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:09:28 EST WaYpSoET No.753375 Reply
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>>753374

Uh oh my opinion already making the needs mad

Here is an older example I remember and many gamers didn't want to play as him because "they couldn't relate" but relate to other murdering psychopathic main characters in games just not the black one
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Jax - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:17:12 EST lmeASA0D No.753376 Reply
>>753375
What are you talking about? You were posting about things that caused media shitstorms, CJ being black didn't, the hot coffee shit did.

And that's not an opinion, it's just straight up wrong to claim that MGSV was the first game to cause a media shitstorm.
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Lee Chaolan - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:22:28 EST fkHKoWa0 No.753377 Reply
>>753376
Why are you getting mad then feel free to post some examples. The current sjw climate and cancel culture were not prevalent until around 15 or 16. To deny it has severely impacted several sectors of the industry you're in fucking denial. When you have to adjust and change your story to appease multi colored hair Twitter campaigners then yeah that's a big problem
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Claire Redfield - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:29:42 EST KOtt88cJ No.753378 Reply
>>753373

>How is it so unbelievable? Trans people literally exist right now so were an apocalyptic scenario to happen, there'd likely be at least a few trans individuals that would survive, dude.

lmfao, i was just about to say the same thing. like bruh, the first game started in 2013, then had a twenty year time skip.
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Four - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:31:28 EST T7tWKoN5 No.753379 Reply
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>>753375
Stop. You're just making me feel old now.

I still think the Columbine shooting was the first real shitstorm to the hit the industry. Politicians wouldn't shut up about it, and they loved to spook the hell out of concerned parents. I remember watching it on the news for weeks, and it sparked an international debate about the violence in video games. Doom seems so real back then, it's almost a joke compared to the violence in games today, including The Last of Us 2.
Shooting are so common now in America they barely register in the news. What a horrible timeline
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The Nameless One - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:48:39 EST QRC2lIzN No.753380 Reply
>>753377
Why do you keep calling people responding to you mad? You seem to be the angry gamer who's one favorite franchise getting a lesbian character away from rising up.
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The Nameless One - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:29:26 EST JYpW7pUn No.753381 Reply
"sjw climate and cancel culture" isn't the same thing as media shitstorms, which is what everyone's been responding to you about, not your sjw boogeyman bullshit which doesn't even merit a response. Media shitstorms over videogames have been around longer than you clearly have, San Andreas caused a media shitstorm before "cancel culture", the first Mass Effect did as well, and those are just two of the more well known examples.
Serious question, are you underage?
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Luigi - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:14:07 EST RWMn+/wa No.753383 Reply
>>753372
I'm all for trans right. The way I see it, is that things are too hectic and survival is critical on a setting like this. People don't think about those things when your life is on the line 24/7.

>>753373
Because of current events, yeah, sure. Trans have it tough but the game setting is much worse. I don't believe in that world people are thinking about what to wear or if they look hot. It's about survival.
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Claire Redfield - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:18:58 EST KOtt88cJ No.753384 Reply
>>753383

>I don't believe in that world people are thinking about what to wear or if they look hot. It's about survival.

Most people think about their survival whether it's on a daily basis or in the long run. Are you saying trans people are somehow excluded from this? lmao.
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Luigi - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:37:25 EST RWMn+/wa No.753385 Reply
No, I just don't believe trans people in last of us careif they are labaled or whether or if the faction next door cares. Which this were I mean that the developers fucked up by labeling her
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Col. John Blade - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 16:29:19 EST L0b0YuIN No.753387 Reply
>>753381
I'm talking about sjw scandals and cancel campaigns genius not news outlets covering stories about OMG SEX in Vidya it's all changed how developers create anything not even just the videogame industry because at all times they have to worry if their creation will both some stupid loser ready to start a Twitter protest over what they created and next thing you know no one buys their game because the masculinity was too toxic!!!!! Play stupid anon nothing new right
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Col. John Blade - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 16:30:28 EST L0b0YuIN No.753388 Reply
>>753387
Please prove to me that sjw cancel culture was a thing pre 2015. Look at how much better everything was before then and had no virtue signaling or pandering in anything
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Yugo Ogami - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 17:03:22 EST XRe3MSL1 No.753391 Reply
>>753379
Even before that you had shit like POSTAL and before that Mortal Kombat creating hearings and media coverage about violence in video games.
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Claire Redfield - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 17:59:31 EST KOtt88cJ No.753393 Reply
At one point are you guys going to talk about the gameplay, though?
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honk - Sun, 14 Jun 2020 23:08:58 EST hRfsG87y No.753400 Reply
I preordered it because it's gonna be solid at worst and it makes /pol/ retards mad.

We'll see in a few days.
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PaRappa the Rapper - Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:06:32 EST KOtt88cJ No.753422 Reply
>>753400

Pretty much. Big chance are that all the fuss really isn’t that deep.
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Darth Malak - Mon, 15 Jun 2020 17:35:43 EST TDlhWPaa No.753423 Reply
Didn't see the appeal of the 1st one and I have too many other games to play, couldn't be any less interested in this title.

Worthless post so I am NBing it
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Jill Valentine - Tue, 16 Jun 2020 02:30:32 EST XCHiW7gO No.753440 Reply
I'm not a fan of the series but from the spoiler videos I've seen I feel sorry for the people who are.
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Tidus - Tue, 16 Jun 2020 20:18:12 EST eh9pVT2B No.753449 Reply
Didn't play the first one and don't care because I won't play this one
But seeing the online gaymers explode about how the good reviews must be paid is just the kind of sperging that makes me hate you all
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King K. Rool - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 04:40:46 EST L7fsBXdb No.753459 Reply
The sole reason why the story of the first game was so good was because of the characters. And it's pretty damn clear that Druckmann ruined those characters in the sequel by forcing them to act out of character, sometimes absolutely stupid, just to fit a progressive narrative. I have no problem with creators tailoring their story to what they believe in, or the message they want to get across to others, personal politics influencing their decisions or not. That's their business as the creator, to create whatever the fuck they want.

My problem is that Druckmann took what was already one thing, something that didn't have an overwhelming display of any such politics, which people loved, and then twisted it into another, almost unrecognizable thing, in order to "subvert expectations." The story for the second game itself is literally just a revenge plot revolving around copious amounts of violence, which at the end of the day is meant to get across the message that "violence is bad, didn't you know?" Without the characterization from the first game to keep it afloat, it's naturally gonna sink
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Cecil Harvey - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 08:20:36 EST KOtt88cJ No.753462 Reply
If the gameplay is good, I can forgive a weak narrative. Again, I'm just really interested in what all the fuss is about. I hope this situation won't boil down to /pol/tards throwing a hissy fit over diversity.
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Ulala - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:18:48 EST IcB310ea No.753469 Reply
>>753462

>If the gameplay is good, I can forgive a weak narrative.

the gameplay in TLOU1 was not really it's strong point. It was visually engaging for a while, but it gets very repetitive. From what i understand TLOU2 hasn't done much to change that, other than adding a dodge button.

TLOU was absolutely carried by it's voice acting, narrative and graphics. The gameplay animations fit the brutal theme, but by itself it was NOT good gameplay imo.
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Leon Powalski - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:28:10 EST lnr7bHPG No.753470 Reply
>>753469
Same goes to Uncharted 4, a good game that has no replayable value.
After you finish the game for once you're loosing your interest to replay it again, since the main problem of the game is that it's only focused on cinematic experience.
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Cecil Harvey - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:35:03 EST KOtt88cJ No.753472 Reply
>>753469

>the gameplay in TLOU1 was not really it's strong point.

did you play grounded mode? i've played through that shit at least three or four times. i meant what i said bro lol.
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Liquid Snake - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:46:16 EST dUEugMlZ No.753479 Reply
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Clank - Wed, 17 Jun 2020 20:08:08 EST Cinp1X70 No.753486 Reply
TLOU and its ilk are interactive movies. Do not want.
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Waluigi - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 00:25:02 EST e8nQHbTj No.753492 Reply
from what I've seen so far the gameplay is going to be as solid as the first with more varied environments I'm really down for that. That run down house in the dead field at the end looked amazing. Spoilers sound eh but I didn't want them to even continue the story of the first game anyways. Just like the horizon sequel, why the hell do we have to play as Aloy again? That's so boring.
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Princess Zelda - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 12:03:40 EST xxALWBXM No.753504 Reply
>>753492

>from what I've seen so far the gameplay is going to be as solid as the first

So it's going to be shit then.
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Goemon - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 21:29:15 EST xMJeggwh No.753516 Reply
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"Interviewer: "So Mr Drunkmann, what was you thinking about while coming up with THAT scene"?
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Four - Thu, 18 Jun 2020 22:28:50 EST fLq+2tKX No.753519 Reply
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>>753516
Best thing about this scene is watching Laura Bailey's career die in action.

She might think shes too good for anime games now, but I doubt she'll be getting any offers from dem games after this. not with Nintendo or any thing. New Talent did a good job in her roles too so I doubt they'll ever bother with her again. Feels good.
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honk - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 01:58:31 EST hRfsG87y No.753525 Reply
This whole entire "outrage" against this game reeked of 4chan /pol/ sketchy pimp shit to me, so I've been taking it with a heap of salt this entire time. I'm sure we'll see some of these feeble minded cunts over here too.

I'm playing it, I dig it, but being a custom control freak that I am I did encounter a silly control thing that I can't rebind without rebinding another button.
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Vivi Ornitier - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 02:06:07 EST 0lta+wEM No.753526 Reply
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Game is shit in my opinion but the outrage over the game is laughable. Also I don't think there's even a trans character in the game, I've skimmed through all the cut scenes with this shit and I literally don't see where any of this is mentioned besides the main character being a lesbian so where are people getting this shit? But yeah gameplay is bland, story is nothing special, so you know pretty standard for a AAA game nowadays.
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Soki - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 02:21:42 EST j75OC4Vb No.753527 Reply
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>>753375
>Here is an older example I remember and many gamers didn't want to play as him because "they couldn't relate"

I'll take things that never happened and no one has ever said for $1000.
>>753367
What, you don't think where the world is ending and every safe zone is failing, and things like sexuality, gender and skin colour no longer matter trans people would still exist? Sounds like a bigot to me.
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B.B. Hood - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 02:38:56 EST 2Fb9kySD No.753528 Reply
>>753526
Kotakus already crying about how the trans character gets called a slur, so im pretty sure there is a trans person in the game. The way it sounds to me, they just shoehorned the trans person in the game for the sake of more representation. But who knows. Maybe Ellie being a lesbian and the trans person make the story better somehow. Apparently you dont play as Ellie the whole game either. At a certain point, the story switches to the antagonist. Some other chick.
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Four - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 02:44:34 EST z9OayjEL No.753529 Reply
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>>753526
The stupidest part about this whole thing is now TLOU1 will probably be looked back at fondly by both sides when it was always just overrated movie trash.
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Death Adder - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 03:08:23 EST p0Uv2str No.753530 Reply
>>753527
HRT probably wouldn't really be a thing anymore thanks to the apocalypse, but that's a whole other discussion entirely.
That doesn't mean people are magically not wired as the opposite gender brain-wise, and people who have gotten surgery prior to the apocalypse, ect.
But HRT in particular is off the table for use once the current supply runs out in that event due to the state of the world affecting the production of it.

>>753528
The trans character Abby becomes the main character.
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Soki - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 04:18:47 EST j75OC4Vb No.753531 Reply
>>753530
Abby would've been like 3 when the Apocalypse happened. If they did do the Gender reassignment, they would probably die without mass amounts of antibiotics. BUT! think about a apocalypse and what we would care about. Survival is number 1. Food, shelter, and safety from threats. After that, nothing matters. And with TLOU 1 setting up that all safe zones falling apart, you always go back to Food, shelter, and Safety from threats. It straight up doesn't fit in an apocalypse.
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Death Adder - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 05:05:40 EST p0Uv2str No.753533 Reply
>>753531
This is the same person and people who wrote and included bank robbers sealed in a bank decades after the outbreak and they're walking around as runners and clickers despite having no food or water.
If they were already infected or some spores got in while it was closing, the infected still need to feed. They would've starved to death.
And the infection is meant to grow worse overtime, to the point where they become goo in a few years, yet those guys didn't even after 3 decades.
Applying logic and consistency is beyond their comprehension.
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Goemon - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 07:18:42 EST xMJeggwh No.753538 Reply
>>753535
Actually no, it's very repetetive and boring.
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Christian - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 08:39:57 EST jjr3/rCq No.753542 Reply
From what I've read and seen of this, al the 'never seen before' things reviewers rave about in this game seem to have already been done in other games, and not even very recent ones.

Gameplay looks like painfully generic stealth kills and crafting shit, with some of Naughty Dog's signature 'work out exactly how we want you to traverse this location. exploration.
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Mark Sheppard - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 09:41:16 EST zMzS2BBQ No.753543 Reply
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>>753542
So it's a third person stealth shooter with crafting and some platforming (but not really platforming because you just get close and press X to traverse the thing without fail)

That's certainly never been done bef-oh wait one of the characters is gay/trans so it's automatically INNOVATIVE because TOPICAL this surely has a huge impact on how the game is played



Though to be fair I don't think there's any way to innovate a third person shooter after 20 years of third person shooters unless you go heavy sci-fi or fantasy setting and this is neither, this is just another zombie game
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Lich King - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 10:12:44 EST QZS4MoNv No.753544 Reply
>>753531

  1. You don't need surgery to be trans
  2. Your gender identity, just like your sexuality, doesn't magically vanish when times get hard.
  3. Why does this rumor chap your ass so badly? It might not even be in the game and you're going full-on man baby about it.
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Goemon - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 10:49:43 EST xMJeggwh No.753545 Reply
>>753544
> You don't need surgery to be trans
Yes you need, dumbass.
Besides fuck off, you dirty SJW hoe.
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Goemon - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 10:51:15 EST xMJeggwh No.753546 Reply
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Game of the Year my ass, lol
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Roy - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 11:20:45 EST MuP6pmU3 No.753549 Reply
>>753546
Wow man, this totally vindicates you over being a bigot now that all the other retards the come from /v/ are review bombing the game.
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Anakaris - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 13:27:10 EST TDlhWPaa No.753553 Reply
Controversy sells, it's really transparent that they just want to sell more copies of the game by adding risque shit. Make a good game and it will sell well, you don't need to psychologically encourage people to buy things.
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Vivi Ornitier - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 13:36:20 EST 0lta+wEM No.753554 Reply
>>753553
>Make a good game and it will sell well
Come on man, you don't believe that.
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Augustus Cole - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 14:45:28 EST H+P6bbdJ No.753558 Reply
>>753492
Yeah, the worst thing they could have done is make Joel or Elle the protagonist again. Their story wrapped up, there was no reason to bring them back - especially just for some bullshit generic revenge plot.

It would've been way cooler to jump forward and see the effects of Joel choosing his surrogate daughter over a cure instead of a whole ass game about her being angry grrr. Unfortunately either Naughty Dog has no imagination or chose to cash in on people's affection for those characters.
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Diddy Kong - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 18:54:44 EST XCHiW7gO No.753564 Reply
I'm trying to remember the last thing I watched where the main characters weren't lesbians. Why is it so taboo these days to have a straight couple?
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KLEZ.fml !!cEQLOiCj - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 19:14:14 EST d+EH7UKb No.753565 Reply
>>753564
I was impressed that DCU Harley Quinn restrained itself for a season and a half before going full on lez. IDK I love that kind of material. This is... kind of trash though? Unsure as of yet but leaning trashy.
I preferred that original game DLC where Ellie does the meet-cute with the black girl to this... uh... let's call it a baiting attempt I guess.
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Christian - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 22:32:42 EST jjr3/rCq No.753567 Reply
>>753564

Looking at this year's best film nominees at the Oscars, which ones were about Lesbian couples and which ones weren't?
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Four - Fri, 19 Jun 2020 23:50:10 EST ARyDeWnP No.753569 Reply
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>>753565
It was bound to happen sooner or later. Depressing what happened to Mr.Freeze.

Quality Lesbian award of the year definitely goes to She-Ra. Cartoonshow played the long game, hinted at it here and there for years, but went full Lez in the final season. Pretty well done and very satisfying.

A well written lez story is better than this "progressive" baiting. Everyone is acting like Naughty Dog is the first developer to add homosexual characters when they've existed in the media for decades now. First time exposure in Mainstream video games, probably, which is makes me sad that it had to be in this form. Definitely would've preferred something more humane.
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Krista Sparks - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 01:16:25 EST 2Fb9kySD No.753571 Reply
>>753569
The lesbian aspect doesnt seem like baiting, but the trans character does. I dont really know the time lines in the last of us, but a trans 20 something year old does seem out of place in a post apocalyptic l world. I would think the people would be more worried about the survival of humanity than their gender identity. Im also wondering if they explain how someone can transition in a post apocalyptic world. I would imagine it would be very hard for someone to get the surgery and hormone treatments to transition in the setting of TLOU. It just kinda seems like they added the trans character in just for more representation, instead of story development. But i haven't played the game yet.
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Mr. 47 - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 02:06:30 EST p2irq4lH No.753578 Reply
>>753571
I dunno, maybe in post apocalypse everyone who wanted to be trans but was worried about society, could finally say fuck it, we're all gonna die, might as well do it.
I havent played this game either, obviously.
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Krista Sparks - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 02:19:03 EST 2Fb9kySD No.753579 Reply
>>753578
Im talking about the cost, materials and the actual surgery to transition. I know its not cheap, maybe theres some doctor in the TLOU universe who does plastic surgery.
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Mr. 47 - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 02:39:04 EST p2irq4lH No.753580 Reply
>>753579
Im sure theres doctors and people who always wanted to be one but couldnt bring themselves to finnish school doing surgery with dull instruments found in hospitals for a few toilet rolls and a pigeon.
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honk - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 11:38:04 EST hRfsG87y No.753597 Reply
I still don't know whether if people screeching about this game this much is funny or actually really sad. Because it's really not as big of a deal that some are making it out to be.

No bump, I think everyone here needs to take a second, go outside, close their eyes and actually think about what their life is like and process their thoughts and emotions. Maybe regularly.

no bump for you!
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Zidane Tribal - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 12:23:17 EST P2PhJdjM No.753600 Reply
>>753597
Im 15 hours in and personally I think the game is good. Gameplay is fun as hell. Shooting enemies in their knee caps, having them beg for their lives on their knees and blasting them in the face is so much fun. Also fun watching bodies exploding into a million pieces and painting the walls with trip mines.

Personally I dont understand why people are bitching about the story. Everyone is acting like the first game is the Schindler's List or Citizen Kane of games. The first games story was the same mindless shit as the Uncharted series and this game is no different.
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Banjo - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 12:54:22 EST CK6xyHIG No.753601 Reply
>>753580
Its not a matter of can I find some whack job with a knife. The process is very material intensive. You need to produce the medicine for hormone therapy, antiseptic, pain killers, some form of sedative, sterile equipment, all of these things that require infrastructure to produce. TLOU world is completely fucked, the safe zones are crumbling, basic necessities are being tightly rationed, and to put it bluntly, all available materials are better used treating actual emergencies. There are no pharmaceutical companies churning out pills for profit, its wannabe doctors treating cancer with wheat grass and witch hazel. If the cut on my arm turns septic because Glen wanted to become Glenda, I'm killing all y'all motherfuckers.
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Inky - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 13:10:02 EST 5m2HLjj9 No.753602 Reply
>>753601
You can disinfect woulnds easily with moonshine or fire, and its not like cutting off a dick is rocket science. I bet I could make it a business armed with a picture from a biology book, good amount of alcohol and a gun for dealing with unsatisfied customers who dont understand no money back and results may vary policy.
Apocalypse is where shit hits the fan and everyone fends for themselves, post apocalypse is back to normal, which means producing goods, providing services and trading. Its not like producing pharmaceutical drugs is so difficult either, theres chemistry books out there, and there will be Schoolns somewhere too, not to mention that boiling poppy seeds gives you one of the most potent anesthetics known to man.
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Inky - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 13:12:38 EST 5m2HLjj9 No.753603 Reply
>>753602
>Schoolns
lol, what is even this filter, I meant certain people of the slav descent
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Imperial Guard - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 17:22:52 EST KOtt88cJ No.753609 Reply
I dunno, man. So far so good on survivor difficulty. I’m not sure what all the crying is about.
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Chihuahua Picture Hoarder - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 18:03:41 EST 7ujppHm6 No.753618 Reply
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Is the review bombing being done by bots or something? I have never seen such a disparity between critic and user score. Haven't played the game, but I don't buy it that naughty dog fucked up with the game, and the gameplay videos I've seen make it seem like the game plays great and has a greater degree of freedom than the last game. I can't help but think that it's because people are offended that it has a trans character on it. Or maybe it's a /pol/ raid, I don't know.
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Ares Enduwa - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 18:28:36 EST JA7RDoK2 No.753620 Reply
>>753618
There's definitely a lot of 4chan people raiding the reviews which is causing it to have an unrealistic review.

But I think it's pretty widely agreed upon that people hate what they did to the story. Even circlejerk is complaining.
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Mankar Camoran - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 18:38:55 EST wNcsjSSV No.753621 Reply
>>753618
Within like 10 minutes in something happens in the story that a lot of people don't like. Then like 8 hours in another thing happens that takes up like 10 hours of the game that a lot of people don't like. Then a lot of people don't like how they ended the game. I don't know if there are other sources that are review bombing it, but there are definitely fans of the series that are also upset.

There's nothing wrong at all with the gameplay (other than FPS with a controller) , it's probably the best looking game the PS4 will ever get as far as graphics go... people just have some (legitimate) problems with how they handled the story.
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Link - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 19:34:48 EST az2V8Y7c No.753625 Reply
>>753618
Critics are paid so their opinion is worth the same as the dirt in my boots
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Chihuahua Enabler - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 19:44:27 EST 7ujppHm6 No.753627 Reply
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>>753625
They're paid, but they also have much more knowledge about videogames than mass of plebeians who unironically call themselves gamers and have an anime avatar, so it's kind of a mixed bag. I like to believe that the "true score" of a game is often between the critic and the user score. But then again, videogame scores are extremely retarded anyway. You don't give art an arbitrary number, that makes absolutely no sense. Even someone as dumb as I can see that it's absolute unadulterated retardation to give scores to videogames or anything artistic.
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Goomba - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 21:19:48 EST JA7RDoK2 No.753631 Reply
>>753627
The problem with critics is that they're going into the game in a judgemental state of mind. This results in them failing to notice and appreciate the artistic value of the game to its fullest extent. And they often have nothing in common with the demographics supposed to be reading their reviews, which leads to them being completely out of touch with what the true players are looking for in a game.
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Martin Septim - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 22:04:02 EST CK6xyHIG No.753632 Reply
>>753602
Dude, do you know how your dick works? You have a shit ton of blood vessels there and will bleed out real fucking fast. And sedation is not something that can be taken lightly either. The slightest error in administering anesthesia can very easily prove fatal.

Yeah, no. TLOU is not "back to normal." The spores are spreading and the safe zones are collapsing. Where are you going to get the raw materials to make those pharmaceuticals? The US doesn't even mine for them anymore, they are all brought in from China. You can start a mine, theoretically as there are zombies attracted by sounds hobbling around and mining is loud, but there is no guarantee that the ground is going to be rich with the necessary rare earth metals. Or your going to scavenge for them, which means they are finite and incredibly valuable. Trade in them would come at an insane cost just for the merchant to cover the risk let alone scarcity. And that's if there is even a safe zone around to trade with. And a whole community hopped up on opioids is a recipe for disaster when there are zombies at the gate.
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Roger Wilco - Sat, 20 Jun 2020 22:08:58 EST 20WTriXt No.753633 Reply
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I think its really cool and sci-fi bullshit that we're at the point where the big AAA game drop is a bigger deal than a major hollywood movie, like its the current benchmark for mass market broad appeal common denominator cultural touchstones. I'm seeing first week sales projections between like 3 and 5 million units and how many more people are gonna see at least part of it through streamers or on youtube without playing it, or just see memes and shitposts about it, this is like our jaws moment right here the thing everyone's gonna have been exposed to at least a little and be able to touch on as common experience.

From the sounds of it the gameplay is that polished to a sheen indistinguishable automatic to control thing that mostly just wants to keep people engaged and stay out of the way, but a really good immaculate rendition of that? Pretty much the only things I've heard people mention is "yeah the combat's really fun though"
So Sony and Naughty Dog are just fully leaning into it as a work of art in its own cultural moment in the spotlight, and idk if its actually good or bad or worth sitting through but personally I'm just kind of marvelling at what its doing in that spotlight as a statement right now

Scrolling through this thread randomly, I'm seeing people asking questions like how can someone be trans in the apocalypse without hormones, and I just kind of think back to conversations I've had with my mom about how back in the day Barnie Miller was really breaching new ground by talking about transvestites and men who just like to dress as women, without there really being a public concept of transgenderism, and now we've come so far around on it societally even people who don't like transpeople can't even really conceive of what the world was like before they were open and there as a part of the world, when someone like abbey(?) would have just been a transvestite or a dude in a dress like its a british gag

Then I think back to like, when I was a kid growing up on the internet there were so many crossdressers, hordes of crossdressers, just boys putting on skirts playing around going through their bisexual emo phase, and that's not really a thing anymore is it? those kids just flat out accept and go open with their identity as fembois or transgirls or whatever right?
kind of just having that wow times really have changed moment also really high right now I don't even own a playstation 10/10 thank you neil duckman
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Vivi Ornitier - Sun, 21 Jun 2020 03:05:10 EST dSEBzCK4 No.753641 Reply
>>753632
>Dude, do you know how your dick works
No, but Im pretty sure its not rocket science. You snip it off with sharp scissors, put some bandage on it, soak it with alcohol, sew it up and wait untill it heals all by itself.
If theres one seemingly advamced thing that will flourish in the apocalypse, its surgery. Tools are easy to make and improvise, and rest is all about knowledge and skill that will be easy to practice on corpses, and pass on to interns and assistants.
Hell, we might get some unexpected barakethroughs due to lack of safety regulation and wild, ethically unimpeded experiments.
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Ultros - Sun, 21 Jun 2020 03:31:19 EST 9TNLznc4 No.753642 Reply
>>753641
Thats castration, not Sex reassignment surgery. SRS is an incredibly complex and difficult procedure that carries serious risk. There's a reason why many trans people dont bother with it today.
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Chihuahua Supremacist - Sun, 21 Jun 2020 06:46:50 EST 7ujppHm6 No.753648 Reply
>>753643
You're objectively wrong. It's two completely different things.
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Fulgore - Sun, 21 Jun 2020 06:52:15 EST zS2I364V No.753649 Reply
>>753648
If you can do one without killing a patient, you can easily learn to do the other
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Pac-Man - Sun, 21 Jun 2020 16:30:53 EST BitXPqGG No.753677 Reply
>>753649
And what will you do when the patient falls into shock, or complications arise?

Surgery is done in hospitals for a very real reason: shit can go fucking wrong, really fast. Go look up surgery reports from the Civil War to understand how risky this shit was before modern medicine - and modern supply chains - significantly diminished the real likelihood of death. It's nothing about "skill", as much as your ignorance seems to believe it is. It's about having an entire system in place designed to minimize the chance of death.



>>753641
>distilled spirits
>suture
And where are you going to obtain these after the scavenging runs out? Are you going to build and maintain a distillery on your lonesome using tin shed materials and copper wire? Will you sow the grains that go into the mash as well? Distillation is not an easy process - it took mankind 8900 years past the invention of fermented beverages to understand the process. Explosions, fires, death are the likely roads you'll go down.

You seem to think that the end of the world will be an abundance of scavengable resources and the Garden of Eden will never run out, like Fallout 3. In reality, it's more like Fallout 1. There'll be little to nothing left by the time you decide to run your little surgery clinic because the desperate survivors will have drunk through all your booze and used your suture to restitch their boots.

You'd be dead in a week with your lofty aspirations.
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Sheva Alomar - Mon, 22 Jun 2020 03:04:40 EST Uh+5Q1Xc No.753702 Reply
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Fuck way too much to skim. So, actual gameplay. Apparently level design is improved but combat is all aesthetic. Not that interested TBH. Head Cannon will just TLOUS no sequels. They even said at some point the story is finished. Even if you love or hate this new game I'm calling bullshit are part two. You're not still killing Bill, that story was told.

Now time for the Autist rant. I feel ND are so in their own bubble that they think this revenge plot switcheroo is original and groundbreaking. Common in anime... but anime tiddies are bad. It's getting big in shows like Game of Thrones and WestWorld with a shitload of characters. Abby has no actual significance to the characters, I get that's the point they are making but it's shitty story telling IMO. This game seems like it's sniffing it's own farts way more than the first one, not with just with progress but with the tone of violence being super deep. This ManHunt sequel has something important to say.

Abby isn't Trans, she just looks like a dude. The actual MoCap model could be on muclebabes.com or something but just like Aloy from Horizon the devs made her more "appealing to broad audiences". As far as progressives in games, I will out woke ND. Be subtle about it, that's how you make thing's more acceptable instead of beating people over the head with it. I liked Left Behind. That trailer with Ellie and her girl was just screaming "we are the walking dead, we are cinematic, take us seriously". That may be my inner pimp/Bigot talking, it's hard to tell these days.
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Felicia - Mon, 22 Jun 2020 07:41:23 EST zMzS2BBQ No.753705 Reply
>>753641
Yeah just practice on corpses those are totally 1:1 with live humans wait what's all this bleeding the corpse didn't do that oh god

You act like the wild west of medicine hasn't already happened hundreds/thousands of years ago, people know what works now and the other stuff is insanely dangerous even in a sterile hospital setting, you think being in a wasteland with no sterile procedure is going to be a better environment?

You have a dangerous line of thinking and I wouldn't want to be anywhere near your garage clinic
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Kintaro - Mon, 22 Jun 2020 16:07:12 EST 7BvjrUq+ No.753720 Reply
>>753677
Theres resources to scavenge for decades to come, especially if theres a lot less people. Producing string and distilling alcohol is something even I could do, and there will be many smarter people, including actual unemployed surgeons around.
Making a sterile room is easy too, and making tools, fuck even smelting and forging stainless steel . Go check youtube for what people can do in a garage with a little knowledge and ingenuity. Knowledge is what differentiates post apocalypse from middle ages, and books will last for centuries even if nobody figures out how to make electricity and access a oatent office database or some big pharma archives for basically step by step instructions on how to technology, which again is fucking easy, you just spin a magnet in a coil of copper.

I bet you kids dont even know how copper ore looks like, get educatedbffs.
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Dregs - Mon, 22 Jun 2020 16:33:57 EST 1gcP/wOX No.753721 Reply
>>753720
Right? Guy acts like alcohol is a limited resource. I could ferment an old boot and make pure ethanol that would be useful for disinfectant, anesthetic, fuel, or even drinking. And I'm assuming cars still exist in this post apocalypse. I can rig up a generator with a couple alternators and a bunch of car batteries. And I know how to build an iron forge, locate iron ore, and build tools. I'm not even especially skilled, I just like hobby crafts like electronics, forging, and brewing.

So, I have to assume there would be plenty of people with skills as good, if not superior, to mine. The "post apocalypse" would last like 6 months.
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Tidus - Mon, 22 Jun 2020 20:26:13 EST QYaNnRLT No.753728 Reply
>>753609
Bad story, woke agenda, banning people accounts because of funny memes and making fun on those who're telling you that your game is shit.
Basically Druckman and the rest of Naught Dogg had screwed up their reputation and openly telling everyone ''if you don't like the game then fuck you''.
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Tidus - Mon, 22 Jun 2020 20:31:01 EST QYaNnRLT No.753729 Reply
>>753627
Those same retarded critics were bitching that Sekiro was way to hard for them to hundle, lol
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Manny Calavera - Mon, 22 Jun 2020 20:38:44 EST CK6xyHIG No.753730 Reply
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>>753720
You say there "will be a lot less people" and then follow it up with "many smarter than me." You sell yourself even shorter than what I.

Those videos of NileRed and Cody'slab where they extract metals from mundane products, they are not economical. The yield is far too low and the cost for all the chemicals far exceeds the yield's value. So yes, you can get the salicylic acid to make ibuprofin from facial cream, but its going to eat up more resources than you had gained. Cody and NileRed can buy acetyl chloride, you get the privilege of making it from scratch.
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Christopher Belmont - Mon, 22 Jun 2020 20:57:38 EST lmeASA0D No.753731 Reply
Hey guys, it doesn't even matter, because Abby isn't trans.
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Isa Jo - Mon, 22 Jun 2020 21:35:52 EST Km4ofPfR No.753732 Reply
>>753731
Then which character is? Because some critics are crying about a character getting called a transphobic slur.
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Isaac - Tue, 23 Jun 2020 02:26:40 EST zRMIfnL5 No.753746 Reply
>>753732
there's some asian character named Lev that is the trans one, abby is just an unrealistically buff woman
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Nakoruru - Tue, 23 Jun 2020 13:00:11 EST fpO1DpjD No.753757 Reply
>>753746
How is it unrealistic? Her first scene she walks right by the gym with her people working out and then they show you that her group is well fed... and she's on a mission, of course she's jacked.
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Isaac - Tue, 23 Jun 2020 14:41:27 EST R8xVP9gf No.753759 Reply
>>753729
>Sekiro was way to hard for them

Sekiro was the proper difficulty that all games should be (although there was some bullshit)
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Mr. Resetti - Tue, 23 Jun 2020 16:33:05 EST cOV65rhj No.753763 Reply
>>753730
So instead of 10.000 skilled plastic surgeons and 100.000 people with enough general knowledge to cut a dick off, youll have 100 and 1000 respectively.
And acetyl chloride is high school level chemistry, you say making from scratch like its something hard. Metals can be extracted from scrap yards or from the fucking ground, its not rocket science.
Im afraid your education system has failed you, and youre projecting your massive ignorance on everyone. There are crafty people everywhere, and knowledge has never been so accessible.
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Cortana - Tue, 23 Jun 2020 20:40:10 EST QYaNnRLT No.753773 Reply
So why it's a taboo to have atractive beautiful woman in games, and why the majority of characters in modern tv shows and games are confused white homosexuals? The problem is not about homophobia, it's just that I saw the same reperetive writing in any recently released movies, tv shows and games so that the plot of anything seems the same to me.
I mean I understand that there are some creative crisis out there, but not as much to make all companise to came up with a same story in everywhere.
Castlevania season 3 - Alucard is confused and gay
Harley Quinn season 2 - confused lesbians
Any CW released show - the majority of characters are confused and gay
I just want to know why are their writing style seems the same?
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Bad Mr. Frosty - Tue, 23 Jun 2020 21:35:40 EST wNcsjSSV No.753774 Reply
>>753773
Having characters that are gay or sexually confused in media isn't a writing style.
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JC Denton - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 02:26:36 EST CK6xyHIG No.753783 Reply
>>753763
So there is an apocalypse, and only 1% of the population survives. Say you live on Hawaii, cause its an island and the isolation helps the point. Population of 1,415,872, and let's say 10000 surgeons, seems high but fuck it, with an expertise in this subject of genital reconstruction. If 1% of those surgeons were to make it, they would make up .7% of the population. Now four islands with a sizable population, four colonies, and for the sake of simplicity the population is evenly spread out between them. You have 3.5 thousand people, and shrinking according to TLOU. Hopefully a member of that .7% of the population is among them.

You are missing the point, this is in the post apocalypse of The Last of Us. I use ibuprofen purely because as medicines go, its pretty simple. It only has two or three ingredients. But most people aren't going to have access to the raw materials, my science classes could barely afford seeds let alone chemicals. So they will have to make them. Its made of salicylic acid and acetic anhydride. Salicylic acid is derived from acetyl chloride which is made from acetic acid and, for the sake of brevity, phosphorous pentachloride. I can get acetic acid at quantity from vinegar which I can produce in a couple months, if I have the liquor on hand, but in the mean time I will have to scavenge for it.

Now this would not be difficult normally if there was nothing around. But TLOU has something that makes it harder. Encroaching deadly fungus and blind zombies that are very aggressive to sound. In fact, these two things are so dangerous, the colonies they built are steadily collapsing under the weight of them. Venturing out to get the vinegar to make the acetic acid comes at an enormous risk for the people that are sent out to do it. It is likely a bunch of people died just to bring back the half bottle of vinegar that was not covered in spores from the house next door. And god damn it. And I have an ingredient of an ingredient. I still need more. So if those scavengers get a headache in the morning, they are damn sure going to demand that Advil will be ready on hand or they will shove their boot so far up your ass you'll be using all your fancy book learning to count the teeth they kicked out your mouth.

And that is just to make Advil. When it comes to more complex chemicals, where I'll need to refine multiple ingredients from things that i can find in a rather small radius from my house, the amount of stuff I'm going to require is only going to grow larger. I'm probably not going to find a sample of phosphorous pentachloride lying around in my neighbors apartment.
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Dig Dug - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 03:08:34 EST bDVEN8IP No.753784 Reply
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>>753773
Alucard isn't confused or gay, he's a bisexual. You know, an Anne Rice vampire, the kind that spends pages dwelling on the unnatural beauty of this vampire woman's golden perfectly styled hair or the chiseled marble like features of this french vampire guy and how they're so beyond conventional levels of attractiveness gender doesn't really matter anymore. I didn't particularly enjoy Alucard getting rammed in a threesome but what I really didn't enjoy is how they made Hector, a character who was previously as powerful as Death canonically, get imprisoned and helplessly abused by some bullshit vampire cunt they made up for the show. I mean come on, this was a man who could summon badass demons, breakdance, and also totally defeated a mostly revived Dracula single handedly.

On the topic of this thread, I personally don't really like the TLOU2's story, I find it to be somewhat cheap and expoitative in addition to being far slower paced than the first. The gameplay is basically fine, it's fun and responsive for the most part. Ending sucked, but I'm not sure why there's such a shitstorm surrounding this game. A lot of games are 2.5 out of 5s, is this really just because of poltards and so on? That bullshit makes any reasonable criticism of the game get associated with retarded fringe political nonsense.
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Cortana - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 04:00:31 EST QYaNnRLT No.753785 Reply
>>753784
Well, mostly the bad story writing is the pure reason why this game got it's hate.
People keep calling out those people who disclike the game on a stupid reasons, but nobody actually smart enough to pay attention on why it's happening. I mean look at Dina and Abby? One look like a monkey another is basic representation of gorilla, I mean I never saw characters more uglier than the ones from Mass Effect : Andromeda.
Ellie killing pregnant woman without any problem while letting go Joel's killer, the only good part of this game was the prologue.
I know that many people here hate this word, but this game is teally way too political, I mean it's really overdone here.
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Bad Mr. Frosty - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 10:15:54 EST wNcsjSSV No.753793 Reply
>>753785
I think you're too political or maybe a little racist.

>I mean look at Dina and Abby? One look like a monkey another is basic representation of gorilla

What the fuck do you even mean by that lol. and

>I mean I never saw characters more uglier than the ones from Mass Effect : Andromeda.

Okay maybe you're just partially blind. To compare the animations in TLOU2 to Andromeda is insane. They just like people. Beautifully rendered, flawlessly animated, regular looking people.
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Cortana - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 14:00:09 EST QYaNnRLT No.753801 Reply
>>753793
>1st question
Because they look ugly and horrible, that what I mean.

>2nd question
I'm not talking about animation, I'm talking about facial design.

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Cortana - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 14:03:05 EST QYaNnRLT No.753802 Reply
>>753793
>they just like people. Beautifully rendered, flawlessly animated, regular looking people.
That look nothing like their original models, and the real life model of Dina doesn't have a pinocio / eagle nose.

>I think you're too political or maybe a little racist
Tell me where I was racist?
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Marc Kai - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:10:36 EST UBBJ+ipp No.753804 Reply
>>753802 He probably thought you calling a black character an ugly horrible Pinocchio nosed monkey was racist
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Bad Mr. Frosty - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:37:12 EST wNcsjSSV No.753805 Reply
>>753804
Dina's Jewish but yeah, it was the comparing the characters to monkeys and specifically calling her out for having a big nose that's pretty stereotypical racist language.

Also Cortana if your problem is that you find the characters ugly I'd invite you to just not play the game, if it's that big of a deal for you lol
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Cortana - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:44:29 EST QYaNnRLT No.753806 Reply
>>753805
Have no intention, so no worries (;
But to be honest, you guys are overreacting, like fuck me for having an opinion nowdays....
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JC Denton - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 16:54:02 EST CK6xyHIG No.753808 Reply
>>753805
That makes it worse. She looks like the antisemitic propaganda poster that was posted around the chans so often 10 years ago. If I didn't know this was so common with progressive creators, I'd think Druckman was fucking with everyone.
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Bad Mr. Frosty - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 18:52:10 EST wNcsjSSV No.753811 Reply
>>753808
I know we're on a chan right now but holy fuck, that's the type of thinking that has created this ridiculous internet reaction to this game. It's fine for characters to have traits, that's how storytelling has worked across all forms of media since modern humans have existed.

It's fine for Dina to be a Jewish woman with an above average sized nose. Anybody can have an above average sized nose, or any other trait for that matter. When people start complaining that "I can't play this game! It's got so many characters with X trait and also Y trait too!" and those traits are sexuality, physical traits associated with racist ideas, too many women etc.... is where it gets kind of fucked up.

If being an intolerant edgelord is your brand, whatever, that's fine. Definitely doesn't make the game bad though. What makes the game only okay when it could have been great is the poor pacing, filler sections to the point of bloating, tedious looting, and the way they structured the story.
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Mei Ling - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 20:23:21 EST CK6xyHIG No.753812 Reply
>>753811
Thinking that a character's design is coming awfully close to being an offensive caricature described by Mel Gibson? That is what is passing as an edgelord theses days?
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Bad Mr. Frosty - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 21:45:43 EST wNcsjSSV No.753816 Reply
>>753812
Assuming a character is meant to be an offensive caricature pushing some agenda just because they fit some pre-imagined stereotype is stupid, and weaponizing that assumption and all the other "fuck the S J W s" stuff to tank review scores is pretty nu-edgelord.

Some Jewish people have big noses. Some don't. Some non-jewish people have big noses. Some don't. Do Jewish people IRL have bigger noses in general? I haven't read any studies but I know at least 3 Jewish people from highschool who got nose jobs at some point because they weren't happy with the size/shape of their nose, so maybe. It's a stereotype for a reason, one that people do use in anti-semetic ways.

But that's why it's okay in this game for Dina to have a big nose and be Jewish. It's just a reality, not a caricature. It's not even a point of conflict for her, she never gets harassed for her looks or her faith in game (only online). They use her faith as a binding moment early on in her relationship with Ellie.

It's just storytelling. Why you haff to be mad?
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honk - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 22:09:24 EST hRfsG87y No.753819 Reply
>>753812
Are you saying that there aren't Jewish people with big noses? It's not comically large, it's just a big nose. This is all such a thinly veiled retarded conversation.
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Mei Ling - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 22:22:01 EST CK6xyHIG No.753820 Reply
>>753816
I didn't even know she was Jewish until just now. From her darker skin tone, I was thinking, hoping, south Asian, likely Indian. And I've seen the girl they model her after, she is pretty. So they un-prettied her and gave her a rat face, apparently to Jew her up, and that's pretty shitty of them. Its the kind of thing that people harass Jenette Goldstein for because she played Vasquez in Aliens. Even Abby's model is a pretty attractive woman as well, even if you aren't into muscular women. So to make realistic women, they took real women, and made cartoons out of them.

I mean, I don't have a horse in this race. I don't own a PS4 nor give two shits about The Last of Us beyond the theoretic scenario the world is in. I would have killed to have come up with this kind of setting and its wasted on Druckman
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Black Whirlwind - Wed, 24 Jun 2020 23:25:04 EST fpO1DpjD No.753823 Reply
>>753820
>And I've seen the girl they model her after, she is pretty. So they un-prettied her and gave her a rat face, apparently to Jew her up

Das racist. You're implying traditionally, genetically "Jewish" features are not only not "pretty", but straight up "rat like". Get a hold of yourself, unless you're like in and out of prison and already a lost white supremacist or something. At that point all you get is a bless your heart (aka you're a retard).

They may have altered some physical details of the real life model's features to better fit their vision for how the character looked in their minds. That's not "making cartoons out of them", it's just something that creators do to fulfill the images of those characters that they have in their minds in the final product.

You bring up that the models that Dina and Abby are both attractive IRL and you find the (extremely) unattractive in game. Have you ever thought that might have kind of been the point? They hired models to do mocap stuff and base the characters on and then tweaked things to their liking. So when you say...

>So to make realistic women, they took real women, and made cartoons out of them.

That's just completely wrong. They took IRL professional MODELS and made them into realistic, somewhat more average looking people in game. This isn't Avengers or some super hero story where everyone looks like a model, it's a realistic portrayal of a post-apocalyptic world.

>nor give two shits about The Last of Us beyond the theoretic scenario the world is in

Political much?

>I would have killed to have come up with this kind of setting and its wasted on Druckman

Check the sales figures and you'll find yourself to be wrong, yet again.
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Captain Commando - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 06:07:18 EST En/Fyxiy No.753835 Reply
>>753823
Just reading your argument made me shit on my own balls and rub it into my neckbeard...

Who even cares what the other dude's opinions are? To be honest the game is pretty lack luster and places are going out of their way to not allow returns due to so many wanting to... I'm sure as hell not interested in this at all, not that it even matters.

Shit on your own buttcheeks and sniff it for all I care then try to act superior or whatever these internet people do... jerk off to your waifu, spank it to hentai, do your drugs. Argue about some stupid shit to occupy your idle monkey paws or whatever the fuck you do.

None of this matters, even less so what anyone has to say. I don't care anymore, this site is full of ass.
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LeChuck - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 06:25:20 EST 43Flseo9 No.753836 Reply
>>753835
Your mistake in the first place was going onto the video games board of an imageboard in 2020 and not expecting it to suck idiot shit-covered orangutan balljuice.
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Captain Commando - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 06:33:28 EST En/Fyxiy No.753837 Reply
>>753836
Yea my bad man, this is some tough and rank ass fuggin jenkem tang monkey nut drippings to swallow
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Dhalsim - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 06:39:59 EST xm9sjGdz No.753839 Reply
The story fucking sucks. Fuck videogames
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Abe - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 06:58:48 EST uZxzC6+0 No.753840 Reply
>>753820
>I didn't even know she was Jewish until just now. From her darker skin tone, I was thinking, hoping
>So they un-prettied her and gave her a rat face, apparently to Jew her up
Maybe you could take this as an opportunity to reexamine whether your preconceptions about Jewish people are grounded in reality, or if maybe you should stop trying to apply goofy imageboard race theories to everything in the world, or maybe spend less time on the idiotic reactionary parts of the internet. Because this is an extremely not-normal way to approach a video game.

Anyways, game seems fine, mozel tov my homies.
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Black Whirlwind - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 08:26:47 EST fpO1DpjD No.753841 Reply
>>753835
I wasn't making an argument, and you sound unwell. That post was like an angry serving of word salad.

> this site is full of ass.

at least we can agree on something :)
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James McCloud - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 08:42:08 EST KOtt88cJ No.753842 Reply
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Finally finished TLOU2. Gameplay wise, I had a blast on survivor mode. I'll be saving NG+ hoping that Naughty Dog will patch in Grounded mode one day.

Storywise... there are two parts to this story. If I had to grade them:

NOW I understand what half of this internet shitstorm is about, and why people who read the leaks said fans would be disappointed. Ellie's story gets a C- from me. I'm willing to bet money that Ellie and Abby had separate writing teams, because her story fucking sucks. Joel raped humanity, and LITERALLY ADMITTED HE'D DO IT AGAIN. Wow! Killed unarmed doctors in the process. Abby purposely spared Ellie and Tommy's life, and what do they do? Go after good people that had nothing to do with what Abby did? Their motives weren't remotely justifiable. Abby spares Ellie's life. AGAIN. Ellie abandoning Dina and the child also added to my frustration. Seriously, it wasn't even good.

Now for Abby... I avoided all the hype and game trailers, so I had no idea I'd be playing as her. Her story gets a B- from me. I'll admit, the pacing of the game overall is bloated no thanks to Abby's story, but she turned out to be a solid character. Her and her friends grew on me, and her selection of firearms were better than Ellie's. Even though her motives actually make sense in this game, she's not off the hook. Her actions constantly endanger the lives of her friends, and Mel even calls her out for it. As for the other half of the internet shitstorm with Lev, it really wasn't that big of a fucking deal. That's all I'm gonna say on that.

TLDR: Gameplay surpasses the original, as it should. Ellie's story fucking sucks.
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Mario - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 13:35:06 EST lmeASA0D No.753846 Reply
>>753746
Yeah and it's literally just a girl that decided he wanted to be a boy, so shaved his head and changed his name, he's not post-op or anything so that entire enthusiastic argument is still moot.
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Captain Commando - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 13:38:41 EST En/Fyxiy No.753847 Reply
>>753841
Anyone can see your passionate posting and yellow texts that you obviously were. >"That's just completely wrong"
>"political much?"
>"Check the sales figures and you'll find yourself to be wrong"

>I wAsN'T MaKiNg aN ArGuMeNt

Passionately uses yellow texts and opinionated rants to form a basis for an argument... You're a terrible liar and the evidence is there to prove it. Go ahead and say whatever you need to help yourself sleep at night, because your opinions and arguments have no value. I don't care what you are even arguing about to be blunt.

Though thanks for making me laugh imbecile of a clown. Dance like a monkey you are while you're at it and fling more shit too.
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Roger Wilco - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:06:25 EST lmeASA0D No.753860 Reply
Finished it a couple hours ago.
Gameplay was very good, on survivor it has the same tense atmosphere of the first on harder difficulties and added just enough mechanically and encounter variety to keep it fresh. God I hope they end up making a Factions 2.
As for the story, I agree that it wasn't anything special and don't think it was on par 1 (which was pretty good but not incredible imo). It was decent enough, but it was the animations, facial expressions, and generally believable dialogue kept me invested till the end.

I give it two bags of popcorn and a small thing of candy beans
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deBlob - Thu, 25 Jun 2020 23:27:22 EST ZIibAn4b No.753864 Reply
Gotta say I'm pretty fuckin impressed with how the game opens up when you get to Seattle compared to the first one, finding things in buildings directing you to other buildings.
And the gun upgrading oh my fucking god. This is definitely leagues better on a gameplay level than the first, everything feels and controls wonderfully.
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April Ryan - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 02:03:14 EST IcB310ea No.753871 Reply
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Loving the photo mode
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Soma Cruz - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 08:11:12 EST l1hrFGmx No.753873 Reply
This game is a lot of fun. The combat is much more enjoyable than the first, despite being pretty similar. Reminds me a bit of manhunt, sneaking around and brutally picking people off one by one.

And the soundtrack is fucking awesome so far. Just wish there was more stealth kill animations. I’m having to waste my melee weapon as a stealth attack just to keep it fresh in that department.
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Saradin - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 12:56:03 EST KOtt88cJ No.753889 Reply
It's wild how people on the internet are treating Joel like he's a beloved character. He's a full blown sociopath that affected people negatively on so many levels, Ellie and Tommy especially.
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Roger Wilco - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:28:01 EST lmeASA0D No.753890 Reply
>>753889
This
I get why he did what he did in 1, but it doesn't make him any less of a murdering cunt.
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Cutman - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 13:36:48 EST qtSFEQvF No.753891 Reply
I didn’t like the first game. I couldn’t get into the story or gameplay, but this one is making chuds upset so it’s good.
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Calypso - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 16:13:03 EST CK6xyHIG No.753897 Reply
>>753823
I'm implying its an unflattering caricature but whatever. Apparently the model isn't Jewish so I don't know.

But what I can't let slide was that last line. The game sold well, but sequels of popular franchises tend to. Its usually the success of the followup that defines its predecessor. But even in this very thread, the story is considered its weakest point. circlejerk is even turning on it, with a petition to change it or add Joel DLC, because the writing isn't as strong. Metacritic has been curating reviews and it still hasn't yet broken a 5. Hell, even the Pewdiepie play through has gone south. I don't know that if they release TLOU III, that some of these people are going to return.
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Saradin - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:03:40 EST KOtt88cJ No.753899 Reply
>>753891

>but this one is making chuds upset so it’s good.

It's funny because all the pol/virgins are complaining about the wrong shit, like homosexuality and a gender binary character. The real issue I see with Part II is its horrific pacing. Other than that, I recognize the story Naughty Dog was trying to tell, and I thought the gameplay was great. ND is allegedly patching in Grounded mode soon, so I look forward to my NG+ completionist run.
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Seifer Almasy - Fri, 26 Jun 2020 22:28:46 EST fpO1DpjD No.753912 Reply
>>753897
>But even in this very thread, the story is considered its weakest point. circlejerk is even turning on it, with a petition to change it or add Joel DLC, because the writing isn't as strong

That's just a bunch of butthurt fanboys lol. The writing itself is fine, and they knew exactly what they were doing when they chose to tell the story that they told. It's a linear story-driven game, of course some people are going to hate what they did. Same as any movie or book that isn't a choose your own adventure. There are probably a lot of people who are pissed because they had the illusion of choices to make and maybe there would be multiple endings and all that, but there isn't. You're basically role playing whatever POV character you're playing as. Like in the middle of the game you fight Ellie as Abby, and I saw plenty of people who hated Abyy let Ellie kill her and say "True ending LOL", but the game just resets because that's not how the story goes.

As far as retaining the fan base for TLOU3 (if they even want to make that), I'm sure they had that discussion. And I only brought up the sales because at the end of the day they are a company that develops videogames with the hope of turning a profit, and this game was successful in that venture.

Like Saradin said right there, the actual problem with the game isn't the writing or the story, it's the pacing and the structure. It can be a fucking slog at times and it's too long, there are parts that should have been cut out and it should have been edited to make it feel like it wasn't moving so slowly. Like there are 3 hour movies where you go in, experience it and don't even realize it was 3 fucking hours long. TLOU2 was not one of those experiences.
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Caius Cosades - Sat, 27 Jun 2020 07:04:28 EST KOtt88cJ No.753926 Reply
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>>753912

>It can be a fucking slog at times and it's too long, there are parts that should have been cut out and it should have been edited to make it feel like it wasn't moving so slowly.

https://youtu.be/Jiq0nR8ndD0

Repeating what Marcus said in this review, I don't like when video games waste my time. And TLOU2 disrespects your time two key times when Yara dies and when you go back to Santa Barbara. Don't get me wrong, I liked the way the game ended, but I don't like how we got there.
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Goro - Sat, 27 Jun 2020 15:22:59 EST CK6xyHIG No.753936 Reply
>>753912
Fanboys move product. Positive word of mouth from an enthusiastic fan base is always the best marketing. They went seven years without a followup and initial enthusiasm was through the roof. Then there was the postponement and the leaks and their response where the cracks really started forming, but even then there was still a very committed fan base. I don't know why you would think that there mad because they hadn't any illusion of choice since there was none in the first game. They liked the game because they were invested in the characters.

Considering how pretentious Druckman comes off, I do not think there was even a consideration that his game would have been received poorly. He seems very much as one as the media personalities who lavish over his game and seems to take offense that not everyone shares the same sentiment as himself. Personally, if I were in Sony's position, I'd probably make a sequel based off the profitability of the second, but I would not give Naughty Dog the same freedom.
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honk - Sat, 27 Jun 2020 21:53:43 EST hRfsG87y No.753958 Reply
I just bought a second copy for a friend just to make someone here mad. nb.
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Alucard - Sun, 28 Jun 2020 09:10:35 EST KOtt88cJ No.753969 Reply
>>753966

This. You might as well troll on /v/, circlejerk, or Youtube since most people's observations/criticisms of the game are very surface level.
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Koopa Troopa - Sun, 28 Jun 2020 15:34:10 EST wNcsjSSV No.753983 Reply
>>753936
>They liked the game because they were invested in the characters.

That's kind of why I said if they even want to make a 3rd one... like who would you even play as? Would it be a prequel? A separate group in the same game world like Fallout?

>if I were in Sony's position, I'd probably make a sequel based off the profitability of the second, but I would not give Naughty Dog the same freedom.

lol 2 came out already dude. Any beloved characters from the first game are either completely different now or gone.

Also I can't speak to this with any direct knowledge, but I doubt that SIE was giving Naughty Dog notes or trying to control the creative process in any way. Like I know they are the parent company, but that's only to retain them to develop games specifically for their Playstation gaming consoles (aka make compelling exclusive titles). I would be pretty surprised to hear that they were holding Naughty Dog's hand creatively given the game they put out.

Then again wasn't that a scandal with Sony's movie division a few years ago? Like there were leaked emails and shit? But I think that was mostly talking shit about actors lol, not controlling the movies directly iirc. Could be wrong though, a lot of stupid shit has happened since then, I don't really remember what happened.
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Bob the Killer Goldfish - Sun, 28 Jun 2020 18:20:57 EST lmeASA0D No.753994 Reply
>>753973
Buy me a copy even though I already beat it on my roommate's copy
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Bob the Killer Goldfish - Sun, 28 Jun 2020 18:22:50 EST lmeASA0D No.753995 Reply
>>753983
I dunno I could see a prequel with Tommy and Joel
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Fleurette - Sun, 28 Jun 2020 18:35:08 EST CK6xyHIG No.753998 Reply
>>753983
I was under the assumption of the feared ROI after this game. With the return they got for this, I think they would be interested in a third installment, but the player feedback would be something to consider.

There are still things you can do with the series. I mean the easiest idea would to give Ellie the Joel position, taking in a child and trying to rear them up right. Maybe conflicting her values she has formed with the realities that Joel had taught her. For instance, she was willing to sacrifice herself for the greater good in the first game but now that she is in charge of another life, and after seeing how Joel's death effected her, could she still be so willing to follow through with something like that? Or her trying to correct her young ward before they stray down the wrong path. The child is trying to get revenge, because whatever happened, and she is trying to teach them the error of of their ways. There is a lot they can still do, I just don't think the payoff will be as good.

As far as Sony's role, I would expect them to be in control over Naughty Dog's budget. They could refuse to fund them as much as they did and be more strict on deadlines to churn a new installment out. This would necessitate Druckman to conform his vision to their schedule they allow. Or they could strip him of control entirely and give it to another developer if they own the IP.

And sequel just means a work that follows another work. The third installment would therefore be the second sequel.
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Fleurette - Sun, 28 Jun 2020 18:45:19 EST CK6xyHIG No.753999 Reply
>>753973
Times are tough so we won't think less of you if you get it used.
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Alucard - Sun, 28 Jun 2020 19:14:59 EST KOtt88cJ No.754000 Reply
>>753995

I'd prefer it be about Abby and Lev continuing their search for the Fireflies.Then Ellie being given the chance to be a sacrifice herself for humanity. Also, I have no fucking idea why people hate Abby so damn much. Abby was a pretty solid character. She's literally the same as Ellie in the sense that they weren't considering how their actions would affect the people around them. The only time they learned their lesson was when they lost everything.
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Sora - Sun, 28 Jun 2020 23:13:01 EST CK6xyHIG No.754011 Reply
>>754000
Poor first impressions. She kills an insanely popular and pivotal character, and then they give her backstory like we are supposed to say "Oh, that's justifiable. Tell me more." its bad form to justify a character's actions after the fact, it kills any sympathy or goodwill they might have attained.
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Four - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 01:35:16 EST fLq+2tKX No.754016 Reply
>>754011
You know, I actually agree with you. Abby is a good character, if the game started with her back story, ended with Killing Joel then continued off with the Ellie's story, the game would've been a lot more well received. Especially the massage would've made a lot more sense, if you seek revenge dig two graves and all that jazz.
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Haohmaru - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 07:07:08 EST KOtt88cJ No.754024 Reply
>>754011

>She kills an insanely popular and pivotal character
>insanely popular

Time out. Do you mean popular in a "Wow, he was such a great character" kind of way, or popular in a controversial way?

>>754016

Thank you. The biggest problem with this game is that Ellie and Abby's storylines aren't tied in a more cohesive way. I don't dislike Abby, but like you said, had Naughty Dog started the game with her as a teenager, there wouldn't be so much backlash against her.
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Kazooie - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 11:38:30 EST fpO1DpjD No.754031 Reply
>>753998
>As far as Sony's role, I would expect them to be in control over Naughty Dog's budget. They could refuse to fund them as much as they did and be more strict on deadlines to churn a new installment out. This would necessitate Druckman to conform his vision to their schedule they allow. Or they could strip him of control entirely and give it to another developer if they own the IP.

Again dude, I just don't think that's how it works. You know Naughty Dog makes the Uncharted series too, right? They are a hugely profitable developer, which is why Sony bought them. I have to imagine that somewhere in the contract where they agreed to be bought out by Sony there is a clause that gives Naughty Dog creative control (to a certain extent at least) over their work. Again to bring it back to Sony's movie studio, they're releasing so much shit there is just no way the suits are in control of every little plot point. The facts even go against your reasoning, Sony gave Naughty Dog 7 fucking years to release a sequel to TLOU, and it wasn't cookie cutter rake in the cash stuff, it was obviously divisive. If they force Druckman or whoever directs another sequel "to conform his vision to their schedule they allow", I'd imagine we'd have another Kojima situation going on lol.
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Kazooie - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:08:06 EST LcnjHqRd No.754044 Reply
My friend bought the game via pre-order a long time ago, now he wants his money back, lol
He lend me his copy, so I played the game for a while, the only good part was the prologue, after prologue everything is shit.
I don't know how to describe it correctly to not offend anyone, so I will keep my opinions in my head and move on, cause nowdays shitstorm is starting from nothing.
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Kazooie - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:14:04 EST LcnjHqRd No.754045 Reply
>>754038
Because Joel was a interesting well written character, and the way he was treated in this one is nothing less then a pure shame.
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Dormin - Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:17:39 EST /EUIyAgp No.754046 Reply
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>>754045

>and the way he was treated in this one is nothing less then a pure shame.

The jig is up nigga, I know you’re trolling
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Professor Layton - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 01:32:12 EST CK6xyHIG No.754057 Reply
>>754031
Yes and no. Naughty Dog probably gets special treatment for their games because they have such a good track record. And sales for TLOU continue that trend. On paper, Sony would definitely want them to make another sequel. But they never received this kind of fan response before. If anything, Druckman looks like he is getting too big for his britches and may be a liability going forward. So I think they'd pay more attention to them now more than ever. Don't forget, they got rid of Amy Hennig. And people actually like her.

As far as a Kojima situation, that isn't very likely. Kojima was a celebrity, he could go to a game convention and get a pop simply for standing up and waving. Druckman, you'll probably get 5% of boos, 10% of cheers, and dead silence from everyone else. I can count all the American video game celebrities on one hand. Most of them made Doom. One went on to make Daikatana. And he was the only one I think could have actually promoted his game with "John Romero presnts." I think the last big star from the states was CliffyB and he retired 2 years ago.

We're more of a company fan base than an individual star. No one from Rare's heyday is around, but the name is all the laymen ever really knew of them.

>>754038
That's actually a pretty good question for fledgling writers. The simple answer is character development and progression. When Joel is first introduced, he is a single father that works long hours but maintains a good relationship with his daughter. Then the apocalypse, his life is destroyed and he is rendered a shell of what he once was. He is a smuggler now, doing evil things to survive and killing people that threaten that existance. He is then given the job of smuggling a girl out of the quarantine zone. He's obvious uncomfortable with the girl as she reminds him of his dead daughter, but takes the job because the pay is good. His partner sacrifices herself for him, but he shows no remorse. So we have a character that's pretty logically consistent. The fact these are negative traits does not matter, they are what make him believable and human.

As the story progressed, he starts to open up more and more as Ellie endears herself to him. Its important that this is gradual as people are pretty hard to change. He eventually is forced to become reliant on her after teaching her how to survive, which shows how tight their bond is growing. So by the end, the fact that he would throw the job away to help her doesn't just come out of nowhere and jar the audience. Which was also another point off of the sequel. Joel had always been very careful, but suddenly he is just divulging his identity to anyone he comes across?

So yeah, he was a developed character killed by a nobody. That's not a good death for any major character.
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Isaac - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 07:30:18 EST qL3V8mk3 No.754060 Reply
>>754057
>they got rid of Amy Hennig. And people actually like her.
>claim to support women
>sack a woman people actually like
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Scorpion - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 07:47:41 EST KOtt88cJ No.754062 Reply
>>754057

That's not a good death for any major character.

Alright, so, my next question to you (or anyone else who wants to chime in) is, what kind of death do you think he deserved? Realistically speaking, nobody chooses how they go out unless they choose to do it themselves. That's why I'm not bothered that a "developed character" like him went out the way he did. Nobody is safe. If he wasn't murdered by Abby, it would have been by someone else who was negatively impacted by Joel.
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Scorpion - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 07:48:34 EST KOtt88cJ No.754063 Reply
>>754062

>That's not a good death for any major character.

meant to yellow text this
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Dash Rendar - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 09:27:03 EST wNcsjSSV No.754068 Reply
>>754057
eh, I don't really care about the celebrity aspect of the Kojima comparison. Kojima is a legend, but Druckman has certainly made a name for himself in the gaming industry. If Sony tries to pull some bullshit he could easily step away and make his own studio and probably pull some devs with him, which is kind of what Hennig did just not at a Kojima level.

Anyway, the second half...

>Which was also another point off of the sequel. Joel had always been very careful, but suddenly he is just divulging his identity to anyone he comes across?

Everybody fucking brings this up, but it's cognitive dissonance. I don't remember exactly, but aren't the events where Joel is taken by Abby set years (like many years) after the events of the first game? He'd grown older, more comfortable, more stable in his life in Jackson. It's totally fair for him to offer his name in the moment when he needed rescuing at that point. Joel stans gotta stop living in the past smh tbh dumb af
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Scorpion - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 10:10:18 EST KOtt88cJ No.754070 Reply
>>754068

>He'd grown older, more comfortable, more stable in his life in Jackson. It's totally fair for him to offer his name in the moment when he needed rescuing at that point.

I was thinking the same exact thing when I read that post. It's a human thing to do. I guess people wanted a fanfiction spoon fed to them.
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Professor Layton - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 12:49:20 EST CK6xyHIG No.754074 Reply
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>>754062
Fiction isn't real. It simulates it as best it can, but it can and should never try to be the real thing. Just because you can realistically die in your sleep for no rhyme or reason means that it should ever be used in a story. You're creating a world for your audience that they are buying into. Everything you do must be justified in their eyes so everything you write must matter. And senseless shock scenes are never going to win their empathy.

Okay, first off. For the first half of the story, Joel and Ellie aren't even mentioned. The game follows Abbie, a girl consumed by revenge, and if I have to, Weight Gain 4000. Who she is avenging we aren't quite sure, just some vague comments about it was her mother, that she was killed for doing what's right, and that itwas a man she worked with that killed her. A lot of little things that when we look back to, it seems almost obvious it was Joel. Then they finally cross paths, maybe in the start of the second act they start working together not realizing who he is, but then she finds out and in a fit of rage, kills him in front of Ellie. This creates the cycle of revenge that Ellie must eventually break.

This establishes Abby as a character and gives the audience a chance to get to know her without prejudice. When we have the big reveal, she should have won at least some empathy and there should be some conflicting emotions about what is happening.

>>754068
Assumes facts not in evidence. That's a hallmark of bad sequel writing. Compare this to the PSP MGS game that led into 5. It takes place after 3 but Naked is no longer working for the US government. But they don't just leave you to deduce how it happened, the opening cinematic has them explicitly explain what has happened. How they used The Bosses legacy and perverted it, tossing her aside while turning her dream into a nightmare struggle for control over a never ending military arms race. Its his love for his mentor and desire to see her ideals that leads into him becoming Big Boss and following the dark path that results in the original Metal Gear games.

So what changed Joel?
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Scorpion - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 19:21:56 EST KOtt88cJ No.754076 Reply
>>754074

>And senseless shock scenes are never going to win their empathy.

If you're referring to Joel's death (Because there are a few senseless shock scenes, like Jesse's death), then I disagree. His death motivates the plot. I think we can both agree that the game's structure is really fucking bad.

>>This establishes Abby as a character and gives the audience a chance to get to know her without prejudice.

Or Naughty Dog could have easily done what Four said >>754016
It still would have established Abby's character the right way. People probably wouldn't be too pleased with playing as someone they aren't familiar with, but they would have gotten over it just like they did with MGS2. Last of Us 2 basically has two games in one.
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Navi - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 19:34:10 EST fpO1DpjD No.754077 Reply
>>754074
I told you what changed Joel and you dismissed it as "assumes facts not in evidence" because the change happened off screen. So what changed Joel? Time and circumstances. And people shout "BAD WRITING, HE'D NEVER DO THAT"... so you want further evidence? He did it lol, it happened in the game.
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Scorpion - Tue, 30 Jun 2020 19:56:03 EST KOtt88cJ No.754078 Reply
>>754077

I'm kinda over discussing the story with people obsessing over Joel.

https://youtu.be/dkiwlGnb4_4

I never knew you could hold an infected hostage for clickers. I've seen a few of these montage videos, and there's so much cool shit that I haven't done during my initial playthrough.
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Pitfall Harry - Wed, 01 Jul 2020 15:07:33 EST CK6xyHIG No.754091 Reply
>>754077
Joel was a bandit before he met Ellie. He killed people for their supplies. He smuggled contraband in and out of a highly militarized zone for a living. He made nothing but enemies since the apocalypse. But he just decided to reside in a secured community. A community that would have likely turned their guns on him if they were to discover what he did. Yet he is willing to trust armed strangers enough to identify himself knowing that he would have enemies from his days of robbing and killing.

The passage of time is the laziest way to explain any character changes away. Especially in this case when its a complete 180 of how he was before. Time doesn't change anything,its what transpired during that time.
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Dixie Kong - Wed, 01 Jul 2020 18:31:49 EST 7/reMP1Z No.754095 Reply
>>754091

I think this is turning out to be a conversation of semantics.
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Dregs - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 03:43:31 EST 1gcP/wOX No.754102 Reply
>>754091
You're right. I don't talk shit about the old days, and most people who haven't known me FOR A LONG TIME wouldn't get a straight answer about my past. Post apocalypse just gives more reasons to not open up to people.
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Gex - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 15:14:01 EST n0yTzv9G No.754111 Reply
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I mean I'm personally offended by this, as well the twitter comments saying "it's fine because thats how jews actually look" but we are an invisible minority and I'm not famous so my opinion doesn't matter.
User is currently banned from all boards
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KLEZ.fml !!cEQLOiCj - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 18:08:03 EST d+EH7UKb No.754116 Reply
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>>754111
I mean, the render is literally a scan of a real person's face. So really, you're just shitting on an actress for having Ashkanazi facial features.
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Dregs - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 20:05:47 EST 1gcP/wOX No.754117 Reply
>>754116
No, the render is a scan of the actor's face, which has been fucked up to look like that because "diversity". It's not just racism, it's patronizing racism. Like "we could have let this actress keep her face intact, but fuck her and fuck the people that think we're racists. We'll just give her a big jew nose and now nobody can complain because that would be racist. Now we're tackling issues that MATTER."

Fuck that attitude. Star Trek did it right. They used unrealistic scenarios to tackle real issues in a non preachy way that made it clear what the humanitarian thing to do is. Even The Orville is more sensitive than 90% of the media shoving this shit down our throats constantly.
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Selphie Tilmitt - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 22:10:57 EST KcU8mD35 No.754119 Reply
>>754117
You sad nerds seem to be the ones obsessing about race here. I bet a lot of the people getting worked up about this non-issue are the same ones having a fit about PoC, queer and trans characters in 40K.
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Sackboy - Thu, 02 Jul 2020 22:29:07 EST CK6xyHIG No.754121 Reply
>>75411
The render is of Shannon Woodard but they took a lot of liberties with her face to make her less pretty.
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Little Mac - Fri, 03 Jul 2020 12:03:33 EST RQUP01UO No.754127 Reply
>>754119
Nerds, big studios and a lot of media outlets. This looks like a manufactured controversy
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Yuri - Sat, 04 Jul 2020 07:33:01 EST pJ4IgW5+ No.754140 Reply
So, I'm playing again on Survivor+. Although I'm not going to go as hard as I was before because of studies I have going on. To the guy that said it was out of character for Tommy to introduce himself and Joel, I highly disagree. They were SUPER caught up in the moment while they were being chased by infected. The motion capture is so great in this game, you could see the shock on Abby's face as she thought about luring them back to the mansion.

Strawman bullshit.
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Amaterasu - Sat, 04 Jul 2020 09:00:18 EST fpO1DpjD No.754141 Reply
>>754140
The facial animations are probably the best in any game ever.
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Morrigan Aensland - Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:06:25 EST iKgHK6h/ No.754155 Reply
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Almost shat myself in here
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Chun-Li - Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:53:41 EST yvbkKGv6 No.754160 Reply
Person who hasn't played the game, seen the internet outside of outrage headlines or read the thread:

Everyone is pissed because Joel doesn't Joel enough.

They don't like how there is a bunch of lgbq stuff in it.

And so and so dies this and that. but also Lesbians.

Game play is secondary and should not be considered in the least to the overall experience of the game, you should only focus on all the story beats and how it makes you feel as a person.

Also I can't believe how so and so dies but so and so is such a main character in the last chapters, it's such a slap in the face to the so and sos who purchased this 60 dollar piece of media.


I'm riffing sorry.
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Morrigan Aensland - Sun, 05 Jul 2020 12:23:59 EST iKgHK6h/ No.754180 Reply
>>754170
YES. pretty genius to interrupt the fucking upgrade menu, completely caught me off guard
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April Ryan - Sun, 05 Jul 2020 16:46:27 EST pJ4IgW5+ No.754186 Reply
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>>754180

Yeah, that part definitely scared the shit out of me. I have a similar experience playing Dead Space 1. ]As soon as I turned around from a workbench, this necromorph was in front of me. There were a few moments in TLOU2 where Naughty Dog created moments of false relaxation. Another game that comes to mind that does this pretty well is Alien Isolation. It would have been cool to see more of that in TLOU2.
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Ickybod Clay - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 02:22:26 EST Jlq+r3pz No.754312 Reply
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I just finished it a couple hours ago. On a technical level i'd say this is one of the best games i've ever played, the direction and general presentation of everything is phenomenal, gameplay was a huge improvement over the first and I enjoyed the first quite a lot, and the story seems divisive but I really really liked about 80% of it.
Biggest problem is Abby obviously. Her entire like third of the game was such a slog and for me it was mainly because she was boring as shit. It was like playing a gymrat with relationship problems and the writers tried so goddamn hard to make her likeable I think it backfired. The people around her were so much more interesting like thank fuck for Yara and Lev they pretty much kept me from putting the game down during Abby's story. I'd love for the third game to be about Lev and only Lev, learn more about the scars, would be great. Have some of the game before Abby and after Abby. But yeah I liked the story, theres obviously a ton of stupid ass decisions made along the way, forget a story about the cycle of violence this is just a story about how you should just kill people when you get the fucking chance. Buncha morons. And Druckman sure does love having random characters getting abruptly shot in the face. By the time it got to Tommy I almost laughed.

Did anyone else intentionally fail the QTEs when you were fighting Ellie as Abby in the theater? There was so many different ways Ellie can destroy Abby its hilarious, they're like really detailed it feels kind of mean

I rarely ever use photo modes in games and this one is kind of a pain in the ass to use but I was stopping every 5 minutes to take a pic of something.


Still waiting on that multiplayer, ND. I salivate thinking of all the possiblities these new mechanics could have in factions.
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Arthur - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 07:02:23 EST KOtt88cJ No.754321 Reply
>>754312

I sort of agree with you on Abby's story. Playing it a second time, it has some great moments, but some parts drag. I've been skipping a lot of her flashbacks. I just think she's interesting in the sense that her life is a parallel of Ellie's life. I also feel like a lot of people don't get that they're both similar because they kept making choices that harmed people that were close to them, which ultimately ended with taking up emotional and physical tolls. I don't think she deserved that kind of backlash from the community.

And yeah, photo mode is fucking awesome in this game. I've never used photo mode in any game, but now this game makes me want to do it more often. I'm also excited for the multiplayer. ND knocked it out the park with the last one.
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Juste Belmont - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 11:53:22 EST sirncJ1/ No.754331 Reply
>>754321
>ND knocked it out the park with the *last of us one.
ftfy
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Ickybod Clay - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 13:15:01 EST Jlq+r3pz No.754336 Reply
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>>754321
The parallels were kind of a detriment for me, there were a lot of the same beats to the story that made it feel like you were playing something you had already played before, that just added to the slog. I kept getting flashbacks to TLOU1 when playing Abby oddly enough. But I will agree Abby's side had some of the best moments and my personal favorite moment in the entire game.
Escaping through the woods at night, punching striders in the goddamn face, the only light coming from yara's torch. Absolutely incredible.
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Arthur - Sat, 11 Jul 2020 15:13:34 EST KOtt88cJ No.754343 Reply
>>754336

Punching people/infected the fuck out, putting them in chokeholds, curb stomping, etc. On my second playthrough, that shit never gets old. Man, I really hope ND releases Grounded mode.
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Kabal - Sun, 12 Jul 2020 09:25:54 EST ZMcULiYl No.754361 Reply
I honestly feel like Dishonoured did the eye for an eye, violence is bad plot better.

I mean for one, the story structure of TLoU2 is all fucked up. They have Abby murder Joel before we see her side of the story, which was clearly just for shock value, and is totally backwards. You can't have a brand new character commit the worst fictional crime possible (killing probably the most beloved character in the series) and then turn around and expect the audience to empathize with her in any meaningful way. By making her the villain before making her a realized character they've cocked the entire plot up and completely dampened any conflict the player might feel. Odds are, most people's feelings about her are pretty well cemented before they ever play through her part of the game and didn't change significantly.

Two, the ending didn't make me question my gut reaction to what A did (vengeance vengeance gogogo) because I never got the catharsis of actually reaching my goal. I still want my revenge because I never fuckin' got it, so turning around and wagging a finger at me for wanting revenge in the first place is just so completely anemic and meaningless.
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Drunkard Hu - Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:36:25 EST GesIfZjd No.754367 Reply
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Excuse the long post but I loved this shit. Convoluted and jumpy of me, haven’t written anything of this caliber in a while but here goes:

Alright, so I just beat it about an hour ago. First off I’m just gonna say it’s easily a new addition to my top 5 best single player games I’ve ever played. And I’m talking SPECIFICALLY single player linear story driven games; open world games get a totally different category as they’ve obviously dominated the entire industry sphere for over a decade now.

I can say that I liked this better than the first in part because it really does give you a semi-open world kind of feel to it in certain areas, mostly towards the beginning when you have a lot of choice to asymmetrically explore certain areas of the beginning cityscape. I really liked that. Joel dying so early on into the game left me pretty shocked seeing as though he’s literally the first character you control and it had me wondering just how they were gonna pull it off through the rest of the story, but I feel like his sort of pseudo-absence through jumping back and forth in the timeline was perfectly done and made his character so much more emotionally powerful than it would be if we just got another game with him and Ellie at the forefront.

I saw SO much fucking edgepilled retards sperging out about the trans thing and when I figured out it was literally just over a supporting character (a fucking CHILD) shaving their head to identify as male and the deadnaming shit not even being anything beyond a few brief dialogue sequences, I literally laughed. Is that seriously worth claiming some sort of SJW forcefeeding is at play or something? Seems A pretty forced narrative in and of itself to me, and what’s more, it was put forth by a bunch of hysterical fanatics watching some leaked videos or reading conflicting texts before even playing the game.

I played the first game and immediately went into Part II and was pretty speechless about the general detail and size of each chapter. Definitely found myself going “holy shit how long have I been in this same map without a traditional/visible loading boundary, this is incredible” more than a couple dozen times. The crafting didn’t bother me and felt way better than the first and I liked all the skill trees. Just running around mashing triangle near surfaces and picking up a bunch of shit at light speed became a positive nervous tick I couldn’t stop enjoying.

The way each character’s malevolent/benevolent actions play a huge game of moral table tennis with one another speaks volumes about how people would interact with each other under extreme mental stress of not only a world-ending scenario, but is also a pretty good mirror to our current world today in how people are behaving towards each other with the whole world pandemic we’re undergoing. As much as I don’t want to mention that in this entirely muddled review of mine, I can’t help but feel those emotions as I played through this.

I haven’t played a game that jerked at my heart strings this intensely in my entire life. Joel felt infinitely more real and fatherlike in this installment than he did in the first, due in part, personally, for how well executed the graphics are in tandem with the first class acting.

And obviously it’s fucking fun to blow the hell out of realistic looking infected/fireflies/scars/rattlers.

Things I didn’t like? Abby’s story was kind of incredibly drawn out and she’s really unlikable until she isn’t. Thankful that sorta turned around though. I was also kinda pissed how many times enemies seemed to PERFECTLY dodge my scoped shots at their head when I finally had enough scrap to get a scope on my semi auto rifle. In terms of general combat I kind of got really pissed off when I’m close enough to mash square to land a fatal melee hit and just keep getting perfectly shot onto my back over and over again. The literal opposite of satisfying. And sometimes, those hints came just a LITTLE too soon when I wanted maybe an extra minute at most to figure out where I needed to go/what I needed to do next. But overall, I can’t stress enough how incredibly immaculately well done this feels as a super linear traditional single player title. 9/10 from me.
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Dormin - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:01:13 EST BkU9oAA0 No.755266 Reply
What's the appeal of grounded though it always sounded to me like it made the first game more tedious to play
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Chun-Li - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:23:30 EST XIuwxrth No.755267 Reply
>>755266

Gameplay wise, The Last of Us 1 is incredibly average on lower difficulties. Playing it on Grounded compared to anything lower than that is pure night and dare. It was even stated in a dev diary video that Grounded is the way the game is meant to be played. I remember being bored to tears when I played on lower difficulties.

>Disabled listen mode
>Smarter AI
>Scarce resources
>Higher damage given and received
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Dormin - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:42:07 EST BkU9oAA0 No.755268 Reply
>>755267
See that just sounds like it emphasises stealth more which has always been the weakest parts of these games for me. The guns all sound and feel so great I love using them, I love the scavenging the upgrading the crafting all of it. The game is more fun for me when there's as many intense gun to gun fights possible, which is probably why I love factions so much.
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Chun-Li - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 11:55:11 EST XIuwxrth No.755269 Reply
>>755268

>which has always been the weakest parts of these games for me.

Are you referring to the first? Cause I'd kinda agree with you on that one, but it was still pretty solid. The sequel has better stealth imo.
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Chun-Li - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:35:12 EST XIuwxrth No.755277 Reply
Still not totally clear on how permadeath works with saved progress. I understand you can't manually save, though.
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Chun-Li - Thu, 13 Aug 2020 16:05:22 EST XIuwxrth No.755279 Reply
Also, ammo and resources are REALLY scarce so far. Fuck.

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