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Harm Reduction Notes for the COVID-19 Pandemic

Now Playing on /wooo/tube -

Jimmy Rave

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- Wed, 27 May 2020 05:19:41 EST 0QWTAWLf No.6399565
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What happened to Jimmy Rave? I haven't watched wrestling actively since 2011 but I remember around 2005-2007 he was massively over in ROH then he signed with TNA and just disappeared. He was always a good wrestler and had good charisma to boot
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Vine - Wed, 27 May 2020 11:54:37 EST iLbHyNyv No.6399640 Reply
Loved his entrance music

>Shall we begin like David Copperfield?


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- Sat, 23 May 2020 12:51:38 EST z+c6DKUE No.6397651
File: 1590252698645.jpg -(73979B / 72.25KB, 258x387) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. AEW DOUBLE OR NOTHING 2020 - 8PM EDT / 1AM BST
> Watch AEW Double or Nothing with the pre-show starting at 7:30pm EDT / 12:30am BST in http://taima.tv/r/wooo and http://taima.tv/r/woooalt with the PPV itself at 8pm EDT / 1am BST
> Countdown to Double or Nothing will be shown at 6:45pm EDT / 11:45pm BST in http://taima.tv/r/woooalt

A year ago (well, a few days away), AEW finally put on a show of their own, after a few months of hyping up their debut and certain people in the industry instantly calling them the number 2 promotion around despite the fact they had nothing in their name to show off before this event. 11,000 people packed the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas and they were going to return again to the same place this year....until corona happened, so it'll be at Daily's Place in Jacksonville with nothing but the wrestlers watching ringside.

Here is the card...there's been a few injuries lately so there have been some adjustments.

> AEW WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP: Jon Moxley (c) vs. Brodie Lee


> AEW TNT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH: Cody vs. Lance Archer - Mike Tyson to present title to the winner.

> CASINO LADDER MATCH: Darby Allin vs. Colt Cabana vs. Orange Cassidy vs. Joey Janela vs. Scorpio Sky vs. Kip Sabian vs. Frankie Kazarian vs. Luchasaurus vs. TBA (Mystery Entrant) - Winner receives future AEW World Championship Match.

> STADIUM STAMPEDE MATCH: The Elite (Kenny Omega, Hangman Page, The Young Bucks and Matt Hardy) vs. Inner Circle (Chris Jericho, Jake Hager, Sammy Guevara, Santana, and Ortiz)

> MJF vs. Jungle Boy

> Penelope Ford vs. Kris Statlander

> Dustin Rhodes vs. Shawn Spears

> THE BUY IN: Best Friends vs. Private Party - Winners are the number one contenders for AEW World Tag Team Championship.
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TAKA Michinoku - Wed, 27 May 2020 11:18:20 EST v+E41uU7 No.6399627 Reply
He's not Big Show in 99 but his shit has been second fiddle to the stable war.
Kristal - Wed, 27 May 2020 12:22:04 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399643 Reply
The majority of the posts are "well it's not perfect but it's still good." Contrast that to Cornette's insane take that the whole thing was irredeemable garbage. Once again, all signs point towards Cornette being horribly out of touch.

Sammy Guevara appreciation thread

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- Sun, 24 May 2020 12:07:38 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6398334
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Lets have a thread for the Spanish GAWD who has just been so great since he came to AEW. He's become my favorite wrestler in AEW.
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Val Venis - Wed, 27 May 2020 11:35:15 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6399633 Reply
its debatable but i think the People's Elbow became the more iconic and crowd pleasing move
Michael Elgin - Wed, 27 May 2020 12:19:42 EST x8ohQNwM No.6399642 Reply
I guess. I still think the mindset is backwards. Becky's over with a submission finish. Bret. Flair. Sasha Banks. They get over when they work, it's just that hardly anyone in WWE's main event is allowed to tap out. It makes them look "weak" I guess. All they have to do is commit. The Yes Lock was over. Benoit's Crossface was over. Submission finishers can work just fine if you put in the work.

Which is how all finishing moves work. The Judas Effect is over and that's just a back elbow.

AEW/Impact/MLW/ROH General Thread #12: The Brawl To Settle It All

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- Tue, 28 Jan 2020 13:14:34 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6352101
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Continuing from last thread >>6317302

This thread is for general discussion of AEW, Impact, MLW, NWA and ROH, which are the five major non-WWE promotions in the US and Canada that have national weekly online/television shows, streaming and PPV deals.

>MLW Anthology airs on Mondays at 7pm EDT / 12am BST in /wooo/tube - http://taima.tv/r/wooo. Replays air on Tuesdays at 11am EDT / 4am BST in /wooo/tube.
>NWA Carnyland airs on Tuesdays at 6pm EDT / 11pm BST in /wooo/tube 2 - http://taima.tv/r/wooo2.
>Impact! airs on Tuesdays at 8pm EDT / 1am BST in /wooo/tube. Replays air on Wednesdays at 1:30pm EDT / 6:30pm BST in /wooo/tube.
>Impact Xplosion also airs on Tuesdays at 10pm EDT / 3am BST in /wooo/tube. Replays air on Wednesdays at 1:20pm EDT / 6:20pm BST in /wooo/tube.
>ROH Wrestling also airs on Tuesdays at 10:10pm EDT / 3:10am BST in /wooo/tube. Replays air on Wednesdays at 12:30pm EDT / 5:30pm BST in /wooo/tube.
>AEW Dark airs on Tuesdays at 7pm EDT / 12am BST in /wooo/tube 2 - http://taima.tv/r/wooo2. Replays air on Wednesdays at 7pm EDT / 12am BST in /wooo/tube - http://taima.tv/r/wooo and /wooo/alt - http://taima.tv/r/woooalt.
>AEW Dynamite also airs on Wednesdays at 8pm EDT / 1am BST in /wooo/tube and /wooo/alt. Replays air on Thursdays at 2pm EDT / 7pm BST in /wooo/tube.
>AEW Live Specials/PPVs, Impact Plus/Twitch/PPV events, MLW Live Specials/PPVs, NWA PPVs, and ROH TV Taping/On Tour/PPV events will be shown when scheduled in the tubes.

>All Elite Wrestling

>Impact Wrestling
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Wed, 27 May 2020 11:52:34 EST M1ahJWky No.6399639 Reply
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I mean they are right in the sense that that's how they portray themselves and how the hardcore fans see them.

.webm thread

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- Thu, 21 May 2020 10:36:25 EST b7NZg4wN No.6396458
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webms go here
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Magnus - Wed, 27 May 2020 11:47:17 EST /pL9vdJW No.6399636 Reply
ROH was also smart in that they noticed that there were a handful of indie guys that were head and shoulders above the rest at the time, but they were sort of spread out and working for various feds and didn't always face each other regularly. ROH consolidated that talent in one place and let them do whatever they wanted>>6398460

Can you think of a wrestling gimmick that’s NEVER been done before?

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- Wed, 27 May 2020 08:24:50 EST vQ9LKQ2h No.6399590
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Sup /wooo/

Can you think of a wrestling gimmick that’s NEVER been done before?

Here's some to start:

A wrestler who's a conspiracy theorist convinced that it's all fake.

In NJPW you are disqualified if you remove someone's mask. So obviously the best way to win the G1 would be to wear a very sticky mask and run head first at your opponent every match.

Coronavirus wrestler who intentionally coughs on people as a submission finisher.
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Tori - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:34:25 EST 0AcdH2Qk No.6399612 Reply
Ridiculously over the top exotico comedy lower midarder who every week tries to create a new division to fit their current identity issue or boycott the current divisions for not being inclusive to their ever-changing idea of themselves, and picks fights by listening into conversations backstage just to seek "micro-aggressions'.
Brian Adams - Wed, 27 May 2020 11:40:18 EST GXHNtkkw No.6399635 Reply
>Coronavirus wrestler who intentionally coughs on people as a submission finisher.
this would be a good opportunity for Doctor Cube to incorporate some manner of poison mist into his repertoire

TEW 2020 Discussion

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- Thu, 23 Apr 2020 11:07:19 EST dYhrmb6W No.6385326
File: 1587654439211.jpg -(209426B / 204.52KB, 1020x651) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. TEW 2020 Discussion
For those unaware, Total Extreme Wrestling 2020's beta release is today (full release is next week). The demo version isn't officially up for download yet, but I figured I'd make a thread in advance.

New features in 2020 are:
-Play as Child Companies
-Overhauled venues/locations
-New promotion sizes (Insignificant, Tiny, Small, Medium, Big, Large, and Titanic)
-More advanced AI schedule strategy
-Dojos are now split up between Dojos, Wrestling Schools, and Performance Centers
-More realistic AI booking (we'll see if this actually delivers this time)
-Ability to control house show tour loops (like in TEW 2013)
-Advanced ticket prices
-More advanced stable roles (Leader, Deputy, Heir, Member, Muscle, Lackey, Fodder, Support)
-Tons of other gameplay and booking tweaks

Full list of new features is here: http://www.greydogsoftware.com/forum/showthread.php?t=542407

Some of the new features sound good, but IMO a lot of stuff just sounds like they're going to bog down the game. Ryland doesn't seem to get people play these games for fantasy booking, not the nitty gritty details of setting house show loops or t-shirt prices.
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Wed, 20 May 2020 02:32:38 EST iLikEToleARn No.6395942 Reply
I'm trying to hard to mimic peoples voices or simply what I said, how did you get, is there 3 champer matches?
The Red Rooster - Wed, 20 May 2020 03:13:31 EST FR3w9gbU No.6395948 Reply
The UI is certainly the worst part, it just feels really shabby and unresponsive.
Regarding the unscrollable lists, many of those have been fixed and it looks like Ryland will fix more via patches.

The guy really needs a new QA team, the sheer amount of stuff they missed is staggering.
Drew Gulak - Wed, 27 May 2020 11:30:31 EST P5K5HPe0 No.6399630 Reply
Two Questions

  1. I heard that Japanese style tour based wrestling is heavily penalised in this game, with it being near impossible to gain popularity, is this any different in TEW 2020

2. How easy is it to install mods on the steam version of TEW 2013? Asking cus I don't like the e-license stuff but don't wanna buy something where it'll be a hassle to mess around with

DDP Yoga

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!!4vMEXnV5 - Tue, 26 May 2020 14:12:10 EST M1ahJWky No.6399205
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Is anyone still doing this? years ago we used to have a thread for DDP Yoga where people shared their experiences etc. I did it for about a year but eventually gave up, although I would still bust out a Diamond Cutter stretch every now and then.

Anyway, I'm thinking about starting up again. Did the Diamond Dozen today and feel pretty good. What does everyone else think about it? Have you done DDP Yoga? Did it work for you?
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Nicole Bass - Wed, 27 May 2020 04:58:21 EST sQgGaxom No.6399564 Reply
I might get started on this, i've kinda looked at Yoga for a long time but never really seen an easy starting point. I've always had really tight muscles, especially hamstrings, which leads to more injuries when I play sport. So improving flexibility would be great
RegalMachine xvm-fzc !Ro1w0thJao - Wed, 27 May 2020 11:18:57 EST F0Ox2SDr No.6399628 Reply
I still have the old version on my laptop.
I remember it helped me immensely when I use to have severe lower back issues.
Now and then when my back starts to ache a bit I'll bust out a Yoga move and reset.
Never went into the harder stuff but starting it up again has been in the back of my mind.

Stupid Questions Thread

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- Sat, 23 May 2020 12:05:11 EST hTSUcuhc No.6397623
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How much shampoo do you think Bianca uses?
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The Rock - Tue, 26 May 2020 22:41:58 EST Vze7K07h No.6399498 Reply

I did not know I wanted this, but now I need it more than anything. Bull Nakano x 100
Orlando Jordan - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:37:55 EST wD8hPE8i No.6399615 Reply

Like all accoutrements on a wrestler, it's up to the officials' discretion. it's not something that she can remove like a weight belt, which is up to the referree to remove it at the beginning of the match, so this is something they'd have to decide on in between shows and make an announcement, like jacket chokes in UFC
Tori - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:52:54 EST 0AcdH2Qk No.6399619 Reply
Regardless of how much shampoo I find her repulsive tbh. When I did watch their show I would turn it off when she came on. She's gross. Different strokes for different folks but no strokes here m8.

Your Anti-Smark Faves

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- Thu, 14 May 2020 23:32:14 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6393808
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Who are your favorite wrestlers that are NOT smark darlings? They're never going to be heralded for their workrate, Japan is not a chapter in their career, they have no flips in their arsenal, they don't care about "technical wrestling."

And why do you like them?

Jeff Jarrett will be always be my fave.
Throws some of the best punches in the business.
Can produce molten levels of heat in any country. He's never afraid to egg on someone to hop the barricade.
Guitar shots are cool.
His main event matches turn into passion plays of memphis gaga: blood, run ins, weapons, pleading, screaming, crying, begging, strutting. And a figure four.
One of the realest carny hustlers in the biz.
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Ox Baker - Tue, 19 May 2020 09:36:47 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6395492 Reply
Sammy wrestles like a cruiserweight and is portrayed like a lackey to the top champ. Adam Cole is the size of a cruiserweight but is the top champ, booked like a mini-HHH, and has "epic" matches with too many kickouts and bumps and he uses a canadian destroyer as a transition. I wouldn't describe his character as "obnoxious little shit." Also AEW's roster is generally smaller so guys like Sammy & Jericho don't seem noticeably smaller compared to Cole standing next to McIntyre, Riddle, Keith Lee, Dijack, etc.

I'm not sure how this is moving a goalpost. The Inner Circle accentuates their positives, NXT accentuates Cole's negatives. It's just my opinion dude.
Bruno Sammartino - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:35:53 EST aDVoKFee No.6399614 Reply
Jarret really is great though the booking around his matches fell apart sometimes and the booking is kinda essential to the quality of the match when it comes to that style.

But yeah, in the post-90's wrestling world where people get way too obsessed about the athleticism in matches decent JJ matches are a breath of fresh air.
Bruno Sammartino - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:39:01 EST aDVoKFee No.6399616 Reply
Great WWE style heel if anything, which is one of the few types of heel left anymore but still. Wish Jinder's title reign was booked more like Corbin is booked most of the time.

Women's Wrestling General Thread: Cutest in the World Edition

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- Fri, 07 Feb 2020 16:12:39 EST LUMg+nxK No.6355699
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>Joshi Tube airs on Saturdays at 4pm EDT / 9pm BST in /wooo/tube - http://taima.tv/r/wooo and is a great way to discover what joshi is all about. People in the chat will be able to answer questions as you ask them, as we do on this thread.
>But if you're ever in the mood to watch joshi outside of Joshi Tube, there is joshi wrestling channel for streaming live events such as TJPW and Stardom - http://taima.tv/r/joshi. Furthermore, there is also a non-joshi women's wrestling channel - http://taima.tv/r/wooomens

There's a variety of women's wrestling available around the world. The West features many, such as the WWE Women’s division, AEW's Women's division, Impact Wrestling’s Knockouts division, ROH’s Women of Honor division, AAA's luchadoras, CMLL's luchadoras, WOW Wrestling, Shimmer Women Athletes, SHINE Wrestling, WSU, WWR, RISE, Sabotage Wrestling, Pro-Wrestling EVE, HUMO, and more!

Eastern Promotions to watch
Tokyo Joshi Pro, Stardom, Gatoh Move, Pro Wrestling Wave, SEAdLINNNG, Marvelous, OZ Academy, Diana, Ice Ribbon, Sendai Girls, Pure-J, Actwres girl'Z, and more! All nonsubscription shows are available at PuroresuDream - https://puroresudream.wordpress.com/ or https://twitter.com/PuroresuDream for the latest joshi shows.

Classic women's wrestling to watch: The Legendary AJW, classic JWP, ARISON, GAEA & FMW's female deathmatch division, and GLOW if you want over the top female characters and promos.

>Useful links:

http://www.diva-dirt.com/ - News, Gossip and rumors from the world of women's wrestling
http://enzuigiripuro.tumblr.com/ - latest results and match cards
https://pastebin.com/nMyby4Hk - Pastebin for all the subtitles and subtitled episodes of Tofu Pro Wrestling
http://joshicity.com/ - Joshi Reviews and stuff
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCSOvrH-DPO5ROUIiyem8ySA/videos - Youtube channel filled with classic Joshi theme songs
http://falconjoshi.blogspot.com/ - English language Joshi blog
http://www.dailymotion.com/Mosquitopilate1 - Dailymotion channel that uploads Joshi shows and matches by the barrel-full
http://www.dailymotion.com/user/JAHMAL1111/1 - Also uploads Joshi shows and matches
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL53kKJBMWATcFGQFDJeUHiV_hWzHb6TJw - Playlist of ROH-uploaded Women of Honor matches
http://www.dailymotion.com/f100000089423529 - Another channel with loads of western women's matches
http://www.dailymotion.com/therackattackvideos - Channel showing a bunch of WWE/WWF women's segments
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCq4o415dCRi5zJFwUTmXJHA - SHITLOADS of joshi matches from far away ago to now
http://pastebin.com/u/NaziClown - Joshi pastebins from thoughout 2015

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Britani Knight - Wed, 27 May 2020 07:28:48 EST LUMg+nxK No.6399577 Reply
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State of this harlot! A real Ace would never take such a risque picture!
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Does this mean she'll have a functioning brain now or does the genie brain damage still linger?

Impact Wrestling on AXS: #1 Contenders Tournament continues

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!BzcOsK03.w - Tue, 26 May 2020 19:33:39 EST PPc0gdwd No.6399387
File: 1590536019586.jpg -(366631B / 358.04KB, 1000x1200) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Impact Wrestling on AXS: #1 Contenders Tournament continues
>Watch Impact Wrestling on AXS with /wooo/ in /wooo/tube - http://taima.tv/r/wooo at 8pm Eastern//1am London followed by After Shock at 10pm//3am and Xplosion at 10:30pm//3:30am. On tonight's show
  • Contender's Tournament Semi-Final: Trey Miguel vs. Michael Elgin.
  • Contender's Tournament Semi-Final: Ace Austin vs. Hernandez.
  • Impact Tag Team Champions The North vs. Cody Deaner & ??? on the Deaner Compound.
  • Chris Bey vs. Cousin Jake.
  • Havok vs. Kimber Lee.
>#1 Contenders Tournament Semi Finals
The #1 Contenders Tournament continues this Tuesday on IMPACT! with the Semi Finals. On one side of the bracket, Michael Elgin battles Trey. Elgin earned his spot in the Semi Finals by defeating Sami Callihan, while Trey did the same by defeating Rohit Raju. The other side of the bracket will see Ace Austin take on Hernandez. Ace was a late replacement for Ken Shamrock after he was brutally attacked by Michael Elgin. Ace defeated Rhino to move on while Hernandez defeated Madman Fulton. By the end of the night, we will know who is facing off in the finals of the #1 Contenders Tournament.

>Enter the Deaner Compound
The North may have bitten of more than they can chew when they defend the Tag Team Titles against Cody Deaner and a mystery partner on Deaner’s home turf, the Deaner Compound. The North have made quick work of their less than deserving challengers up in Canada as of late but their battle on the Deaner Compound may be a different story. Who will Cody recruit to fight alongside him against The North? Find out this Tuesday on AXS TV.

>Havok Out for Revenge
The last time Kimber Lee and Havok waged war, Lee was victorious after using brass knuckles during her IMPACT! in-ring debut. We are still unsure of the history between Kimber Lee and Havok but if there’s one thing we do know, it’s that they don’t like each other. This Tuesday on AXS TV, Havok gets another shot at Lee as she looks to avenge her loss to one of IMPACT Wrestling’s newest Knockouts. Brace yourself for hard-hitting action like only the IMPACT Wrestling Knockouts can provide.

>Chris Bey Targets Cousin Jake
After joining forces with Johnny Swinger to deliver a two-on-one assault on X-Division Champion Willie Mack last week, Chris Bey takes to the ring to battle Cousin Jake this Tuesday on IMPACT! Bey clearly has his sights set on becoming X-Division Champion and a victory here will be crucial if he wants another shot at the gold. Meanwhile, Cousin Jake gives new meaning to the motto “it’s not about weight limits, it’s about no limits” and will be looking to derail Bey’s momentum. Don’t miss what is sure to be an action-packed collision.

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Kevin Kelly - Wed, 27 May 2020 03:21:29 EST tzs2tHuX No.6399555 Reply
It also encapsulates every time someone makes a nyla rose 4chin troll thread.
Ron Garvin - Wed, 27 May 2020 04:18:41 EST NQLCELKx No.6399561 Reply
Wait... people thought the woman who came out to help Havok beat up Kimber Lee was Deonna Purrazzo? lmfao
That was Havok's tag team partner from WOW named Hazard, but she's most famously known as Nevaeh.

Where was the Sid Crossface on kayfabe power levels?

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- Mon, 25 May 2020 19:29:41 EST 6rmZOhfg No.6398923
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Hikari Minami - Wed, 27 May 2020 07:34:24 EST y9j8To7z No.6399579 Reply
I imagine the "why" comes down to Kevin Sullivan having the book and hooking his friends up with some Turner money, but I might be getting the timelines mixed up.
Britani Knight - Wed, 27 May 2020 07:38:19 EST LUMg+nxK No.6399581 Reply
When this happened, Russo was still firmly in control of the book, I just can't remember the story reason why, it lasted like...2 weeks

Cross Rhodes is a bad finisher

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- Sun, 24 May 2020 19:47:10 EST tzs2tHuX No.6398529
File: 1590364030035.gif -(1010767B / 987.08KB, 300x170) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Cross Rhodes is a bad finisher
This gif is old and I just grabbed it off a search and not saying this one in particular looks the worst. They almost always look bad.

The crossrhodes looks so bad! Opponents take it differently all the time and sometimes they can make it look good but the move almost always just looks weak and stupid. It's just a bad finisher for a guy who is a big player now. You can argue about the Peoples Elbow or other bad finishers done by my eventers but the cross rhodes just LOOKS bad. It looks like the guy doing it gets hurt more and sometimes it just looks like a rolling hug.

I think the art of a finishing move can sometimes be lost. The Judas Effect is a great example of a finishing move done right. When Jericho first did that move hyped it up before hand and when he did it I thought it was stupid as hell. "A back elbow?" I said. But then he kept murdering opponents with it and it became a powerful move. It became a move you have to avoid or he will kill you. Wrestling is fake. Book the move to be strong and it becomes strong. Finishing moves should be important and matter. This is why kickout spam can hurt a lot of finishing moves and be bad in the long run. It can be done on rare occasions for big stakes matches but I really think you risk making your move look weak doing that.

Now Cody has a finishing move that HAS won matches and isn't truely a victim of kickout spam(although people kick out of it often). It just straight up looks bad. So if the move looks bad it is up to the wrestler or the booker to make the move feared. Sadly Cody has done this shitty move across promotions forever and at this point I feel nothing when I see him setting up for it. It looks bad AND it's a poorly booked finisher.

He needs a new one and in general I think wrestlers should try to keep their finisher special. If you're going to lose the match maybe don't even get a chance to hit the move or just have them reverse it or other creative ways around it. Don't just have the opponent kick out of your move that should win matches.

This isn't an AEW dogpile thread...stupid that I even need to say this.
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Necro Butcher - Tue, 26 May 2020 15:35:11 EST oWLdzxNc No.6399227 Reply
i can buy the samoan spike as a finisher because it looks forceful usually and umagas taped hand makes you think hes doing it so hard he might hurt himself. plus i always assumed he was jamming them in some nerve on their neck which made them immobile
DJ Hyde - Tue, 26 May 2020 15:50:30 EST tzs2tHuX No.6399236 Reply
Yeah exactly. It's the perfect example of how the booking of a move and talking to other wrestlers during a show so they don't repeat spots or steal each others finishes is super important.

I learned that from a Justin Credible youtube video weirdly enough. He did a superkick and a tombstone and would make sure other people on the card were not doing it in ECW. Or he would let another person do it and do a different finish to compensate.

When he went to WWE he stopped doing the tombstone because of Taker. He was saying how disrespectful it would be if he did a tombstone and everyone kicked out in WWE. It just devalues the wrestler and the move.

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