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Guerra de Titanes, 2019 AAA Domo Madero, Ciudad Madero, Tamaulipas LIVE!!!!

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- Sat, 14 Dec 2019 05:27:30 EST GXHNtkkw No.6337761
File: 1576319250311.png -(963894B / 941.30KB, 624x960) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Guerra de Titanes, 2019 AAA Domo Madero, Ciudad Madero, Tamaulipas LIVE!!!!
>9pm EST / 2am GMT in http://taima.tv/r/wooo - AAA Guerra de Titanes in Spanish (starts in http://taima.tv/r/wooo5 if NWA overruns)
>9pm EST / 2am GMT in http://taima.tv/r/woooalt - AAA Guerra de Titanes in English (starts in http://taima.tv/r/woooalt2 if NWA overruns)
AAA's been pretty good about keeping close to the posted card, here's what may be happening
1) Aramis, Dinastía, Octagoncito vs Arez, Mini Psycho Clown, Parkita Negra
2) Máscarita Dorada, Mr. Iguana, Niño Hamburguesa vs Demus, Látigo, Villano III Jr.
3) Faby Apache, Octagón Jr., Taya vs Carta Brava Jr., Mocho Cota Jr., Tito Santana (not that one) and Abismo Negro Jr., Ayako Hamada, Keyra [lumberjack]
4) Brian Cage, Murder Clown, Pagano, Puma King vs Chessman, Killer Kross, Taurus, Texano Jr. [tlc]
5) Fénix & Pentagón Jr. © vs Angélico & Australian Suicide and ????? & Hijo Del Vikingo [AAA TAG fifth defense, one not on TV]
6) Big Mami vs Lady Maravilla [hair]
7) Dr. Wagner Jr., Drago, Psycho Clown vs Blue Demon Jr., La Bestia Del Ring, Rush Toro Blanco

Stop being a loser who doesn't watch AAA! Start being a loser who DOES watch AAA!
It's probably their last show of the year with the payoff / next big chapter to the long-running Mami / Maravilla feud! Also the live twitch debut of Rush and his father! It may tie into the events at Triplemania Regia (also airing on youtube this weekend) when LA Park joined Los Ingobernables
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Daisuke Harada - Sun, 15 Dec 2019 01:06:07 EST 7smP0F25 No.6338006 Reply
l.a park has a way with words when it comes to insulting people I love him.

Dragon Gate Entertainment Presents: The Final Gate 2019!

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- Sat, 14 Dec 2019 09:54:30 EST 4JW+ohmc No.6337791
File: 1576335270078.jpg -(146565B / 143.13KB, 670x960) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Dragon Gate Entertainment Presents: The Final Gate 2019!
>Watch Dragon Gate Entertainment Presents: The Final Gate 2019 in Japanese at 3:00 AM EST/8:00 AM GMT in http://taima.tv/r/wooo
>Watch Dragon Gate Entertainment Presents: The Final Gate 2019 in English at 3:00 AM EST/8:00 AM GMT in http://taima.tv/r/woooalt

In what has been an incredible year filled with twists & turns, a new generation of rising stars taking their place at the top & legends returning home, Dragon Gate gets ready to close the door on their 20th anniversary with the last PPV of 2019, The Final Gate in Fukuoka! Tonight, Pro Wrestling NOAH legend Naomichi Marufuji makes his DG debut as he takes on "Hollywood" Stalker Ichikawa, Jason Lee gets another chance to claim his first singles title in Dragon Gate as he faces off with new R.E.D member Kaito Ishida for the Open The Brave Gate Championship, Tokyo Sports' 2019 Rookie of the Year Strong Machine J leads the Machine Army in a 3-way clash against R.E.D & Natural Vibes over the Triangle Gate titles, while YAMATO & BxB Hulk look to bring the Twin Gate back to Tribe Vanguard as they take on defending champions Eita & Big R Shimizu in what will be a tag team classic. And in the main event, Ben-K will make his 4th defense of the Open The Dream Gate Championship as he goes one-on-one with former champion & MaxiMuM co-leader, Naruki Doi! Match card & write-up below:

MATCH CARD
  1. Tribe Vanguard (KAI and Kagetora) vs. Mochizuki Dojo (Yuki Yoshioka and Keisuke Okuda)
  2. Super Shisa vs. K-ness. vs. Shachihoko BOY vs. Punch Tominaga vs. "brother" YASSHI vs. Kota Minoura vs. Mondai Ryu vs. Oji Shiiba vs. Jimmy: 10-Man Battle Royal
  3. Kazma Sakamoto vs. Dragon Dia
  4. Toryumon Army (Ultimo Dragon, Ryo Saito & Yasushi Kanda) vs. MaxiMuM (Masato Yoshino, Dragon Kid) & Masaaki Mochizuki
  5. "Hollywood" Stalker Ichikawa vs. Naomichi Marufuji: Dragon Gate 20th Anniversary Celebration - Extra Volume
  6. Kaito Ishida (c) vs. Jason Lee: Open The Brave Gate Championship
  7. Strong Machines (Strong Machine J, Strong Machi…
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Daisuke Harada - Sun, 15 Dec 2019 00:30:57 EST 7smP0F25 No.6337998 Reply
what a wholesome post match celebration. god bless.

A Jingle With Jillian ~ACAPELLA~

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!Ub4TCdRjOM - Fri, 13 Dec 2019 13:10:54 EST uABS6pPx No.6337572
File: 1576260654012.png -(155139B / 151.50KB, 852x314) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. A Jingle With Jillian ~ACAPELLA~
In 2007, the Christmas album to end Christmas albums was released by Jillian Hall & WWE.

A Jingle With Jillian has brought our community together with joy for the last 12 years.

But I found myself wanting.

I needed to experience it in its purest possible form.

Acapella.

It wasn't easy.

Okay it was easy. And now, I bless you all with holiday cheer and this glorious achievement of sonic warfare.
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Eighth Commandment !zkBGAvsLnM - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 23:23:27 EST fZTKrr/u No.6337983 Reply
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You son of a bitch.

SHINE 63 & 64 IPPV THREAD

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!F612/rL8Ks - Fri, 13 Dec 2019 13:17:22 EST 8onUjywP No.6337577
File: 1576261042059.jpg -(688496B / 672.36KB, 500x773) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. SHINE 63 & 64 IPPV THREAD
>Watch SHINE 63 on Friday at 7:30pm EST / 12:30am GMT and 64 on Saturday at 8pm EST / 1am GMT both in /wooo/tube 4 - http://taima.tv/r/wooo4

>SHINE 63 - Friday at 7:30pm EST / 12:30am GMT

*Career vs. Title Match for the SHINE Championship:
Allysin Kay (c) vs. Mercedes Martinez (Career)
*SHINE Nova Championship Tournament First Round Bracket A Match: Marti Belle vs. Avery Taylor
*SHINE Nova Championship Tournament First Round Bracket A Match: La Rosa Negra vs. Notorious Nadi
*SHINE Nova Championship Tournament First Round Bracket A Match: Natalia Markova vs. Jenna
*SHINE Nova Championship Tournament First Round Bracket A Match: Candy Cartwright vs. Double D’Rose
*SHINE Nova Championship Tournament First Round Bracket B Match: Stormie Lee vs. Thunderkitty
*SHINE Nova Championship Tournament First Round Bracket B Match: Jayme Jameson vs. Lindsay Snow
*SHINE Nova Championship Tournament First Round Bracket B Match: Brandi Lauren vs. Randi West
*SHINE Nova Championship Tournament First Round Bracket B Match: Aja Perera w/ Ayla vs. Kimber Lee
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Masahiro Chono - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 02:06:18 EST b7NZg4wN No.6337750 Reply
Kaiju Big Battel is also live after these shows but Gabe failed to promote them once again

CZW CAGE OF DEATH XXI IPPV THREAD

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!lfsExjBfzE - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 14:15:50 EST +bTXA6lG No.6337851
File: 1576350950783.jpg -(170476B / 166.48KB, 800x1280) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. CZW CAGE OF DEATH XXI IPPV THREAD
>Watch CZW Cage of Death XXI at 8pm EST / 1am GMT in /wooo/tube 2 - ​http://taima.tv/r/wooo2

CZW’s biggest show of the year Cage of Death is finally here. If you have strong heart you shoud witness the showcase of the ultraviolence when two men step into the Cage of Death, the most violent match in America, in the main event as Brandon Kirk and Jimmy Lloyd will enter the Cage of Death. Here’s the lineup for the show:

Cage of Death Match: Jimmy Lloyd vs. Brandon Kirk w/ Kasey Catal

CZW Wired Championship Match: Jordan Oliver (c) vs. AR Fox

WSU World Championship Match: Kris Statlander (c) vs. Brittany Blake

CZW Rules Match: Conor Claxton vs. John Silver

No Holds Barred Tag Team Match: Anthony Greene & Ava Everett vs. Alex Reynolds & Mark Sterling
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Jerrelle Clark - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 21:48:00 EST sTKyCdub No.6337963 Reply
>>6337946

That's a fetish video. AR Fox actually fucked a guy in a video.

I'm not saying it's fair, I just think for him to not even have a run in TNA means there is something keeping him from TV (not counting LU who used everyone they could).

NWA INTO THE FIRE IPPV THREAD

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!lfsExjBfzE - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 14:14:15 EST +bTXA6lG No.6337850
File: 1576350855526.jpg -(29913B / 29.21KB, 254x393) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. NWA INTO THE FIRE IPPV THREAD
>Watch NWA Into The Fire at 6:05pm EST / 11:05pm GMT in /wooo/tube - ​http://taima.tv/r/wooo​ and /wooo/alt - ​http://taima.tv/r/woooalt

Over the course of its first season, the National Wrestling Alliance has brought wrestling fans back to the classic days where a 6:05 PM Eastern timeslot meant the best of professional wrestling was about to shoot from your television screen and sear itself into your imagination, riding cathode rays into immortality. On Saturday December 14th, the NWA will take its lava-hot weekly series and bring its audience literally INTO THE FIRE with a series of showdowns and bout to make viewers of any age excited. What was once old is new again and what is ground-breaking remains, at its core, remains chaotic, passionate and proud.

James Storm, since arriving in the National Wrestling Alliance, has claimed there is a conspiracy against him to keep him from attaining greatness and championship gold. Whether there is any legitimacy to The Cowboy's claims, NWA Worlds Champion Nick Aldis has demanded the opportunity to defend the Ten Pounds of Gold against Storm, seeking to shut him down once and for all while defending the prestige of the National Wrestling Alliance itself. Seeking to prevent any additional protests from Storm, Aldis has demanded a Best of Three Falls bout with each fall featuring a guest referee. NWA official Brian Hebner has given Storm his word there will be no issues with fairness in calling the title bout right down the middle. Former NWA Worlds Champion Tim Storm has been tapped by his former rival, Nick Aldis to step into the zebra stripes as well, insuring fairness and respect be given to the main event. Should a third fall be necessary, a coin toss will determine the referee. With Aldis having announced his mainstay Kamille has been given the night off, will Into The Fire be his next step towards greatness or will he go down in flames as a new champion ascends to the throne? This main event plus two other championship matches and more tonight at Into The Fire! Here’s the lineup for the show:

*Two Out of Three Falls Match for the NWA Worlds Heavyweight Championship: Nick Aldis w/ Kamille (c) vs. James Storm
*Brian Hebner will be the referee for the first fall and Tim Storm will be the referee for the second fall. The referee for the 3rd fall (if necessary) will be determined by a coin flip.

*NWA World Tag Team Championship Match: The Rock n’ Roll Express (Ricky Morton & Robert Gibson) (c) vs. The Wild Cards (Royce Isaacs & Thomas Latimer)

*Three Way Match for the NWA National Heavyweight Championship: Colt Cabana (c) vs. Aron Stevens vs. Ricky Starks

*Tag Team Match: Ashley Vox & Allysin Kay vs. Melina & Marti Belle
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Crowbar - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 21:28:49 EST YqM1CEER No.6337957 Reply
>>6337955
Can't wait to hear for the aewtists to explain how they didn't want Marty anyway.

DDT “D-OU GRAND PRIX 2020 IN HARAJUKU 2 DAYS” - Take vs Brookes, HARA vs Tanaka

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- Fri, 13 Dec 2019 23:10:27 EST v+E41uU7 No.6337730
File: 1576296627721.jpg -(598744B / 584.71KB, 1448x2048) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. DDT “D-OU GRAND PRIX 2020 IN HARAJUKU 2 DAYS” - Take vs Brookes, HARA vs Tanaka
>Watch DDT D-Ou Grand Prix Block Finals in Harajuku starting with A Block on Saturday @ 2am EST / 7am GMT & B Block on Sunday @ 12am EST / 5am GMT in /wooo/tube - http://taima.tv/r/wooo & DDTUNIVERSE - https://www.ddtpro.com/universe

The D-Ou Grand Prixis a round robin tournament where 14 wrestlers will face one another with two points for a win, one point for a draw, and no points for a loss. The two with the most points will face each other in the final in Korakuen Hall on December 28. No prize has been announced for the winner of this tournament yet. Here are the current standings:

>A Block
*Keisuke Ishii (6)
*Konosuke Takeshita (6)
*Yuki Iino (6)
*Tetsuya Endo (5)
*Chris Brookes (5)
*Chihiro Hashimoto (4) - ELIMINATED
*Yuki Ueno (4) - ELIMINATED

>B Block
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 07:05:13 EST vfAqBUM5 No.6337765 Reply
>>6337751
Is it safe to assume there will be replays at a later date? I missed A Block

Birthday thread

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- Sat, 14 Dec 2019 10:41:46 EST DucfTAdh No.6337802
File: 1576338106774.gif -(3145525B / 3.00MB, 548x431) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Birthday thread
Its my 26th birthday today.
As I now have to file for my own health insurance, I request a cautionary blood/botch thread.
Such as: Always be aware of falling off ladders
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Honky Tonk Man - Sun, 15 Dec 2019 01:07:58 EST oOLczIsv No.6338007 Reply
>>6337949
Her partner mildly enthusiastically leading the crowd in a chant does it for me.

wtf did Brock Lesnar do to his daughter Mya Lynn Lesnar?

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- Sat, 14 Dec 2019 23:18:23 EST P6fyueTl No.6337982
File: 1576383503597.jpg -(80686B / 78.79KB, 786x569) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. wtf did Brock Lesnar do to his daughter Mya Lynn Lesnar?
It looks like he gave her so many roids that he somehow turned her albino. Bleacher Report needs to explain this to us.

THE DIRT SHEET THREAD: THE LATEST FROM MELTZER AND MORE - 13TH DECEMBER '19

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- Thu, 12 Dec 2019 23:39:51 EST z+c6DKUE No.6337447
File: 1576211991883.png -(139417B / 136.15KB, 249x272) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. THE DIRT SHEET THREAD: THE LATEST FROM MELTZER AND MORE - 13TH DECEMBER '19
The first few posts are from this week's Wrestling Observer Newsletter. For the full newsletter and much more get a subscription at http://www.f4wonline.com/
Dave Meltzer's star ratings will also be posted in this thread should there be any.
Use this thread to post news as it comes through. Do not use the old thread for anything new, try and move discussion to here instead.

> WWE’s final PPV of the year, Tables, Ladders and Chairs, which takes place on 12/15 at the Target Center in Minneapolis, has six matches official and four more expected to be announced later this week. In a show where nothing was announced until 11 days out, neither the Universal, WWE, U.S., IC, or either women’s championship are on the show.

> Brock Lesnar, the WWE champion, isn’t booked for a title defense until the Royal Rumble at this point. Bray Wyatt as The Fiend, was to defend against Daniel Bryan, but that’s been delayed for storyline reasons. The idea is to spend more time and deepen the story before doing the Fiend vs. Bryan rematch. Wyatt, not as The Fiend, is scheduled for a non-title match with The Miz.

> Shinsuke Nakamura vs. Braun Strowman for the IC title was on the card last week. Presumably the angle was to be shot on the 12/5 Smackdown show, but Strowman was not medically cleared. The WWE’s official word was that it was a minor hip injury but that he was expected to be cleared shortly. Because of that, it is unknown whether an angle will be shot on 12/12 or if this will be added to the show.

> The Smackdown women’s title with Bayley vs. Lacey Evans is also expected to be added to the show as it was on the scheduled lineup last week. There was also an angle involving the two on the 12/5 show, but the match hasn’t been announced yet. Raw women’s champion Becky Lynch will be a challenger in a women’s tag team title match, teaming with Charlotte Flair to face Asuka & Kairi Sane. That will be one of two TLC matches on the show. The most pushed match thus far, also a TLC match, has Roman Reigns vs. King Corbin.

> Other matches officially announced at press time were Rusev vs. Bobby Lashley in a tables match, New Day vs. The Revival for the Smackdown tag team titles and Aleister Black vs. Buddy Murphy. The Revival are replacing the originally planned Robert Roode & Dolph Ziggler. We’re not sure if this was switched because of Roode’s drug test failure and suspension or not. Last week, before the suspension was announced, it was listed on the schedule but even then we were told that it could change.

> There was a tease for Viking Raiders vs. Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson for the Raw tag titles already. The match was on the schedule for the show last week, teased on Raw, and indications we were given is that it is still on the card. What has been announced is the Viking Raiders doing an open challenge for the titles, but with that match not a secret and teased, who knows if they will go with the original plans. A.J. Styles vs. Randy Orton, which also shot an angle on Raw on 12/9, was on last week’s lineup and logically it should be added.

> Seth Rollins vs. Kevin Owens had an angle shot on Raw, and was a possibility last week. As of 12/10, it was not scheduled and at that point in time it was not expected to be added either. Rollins suffered a broken little finger in a 12/8 house show match with Erick Rowan, so he did not wrestle on Raw the next day. The injury isn’t serious and he was expected to be cleared by Sunday. But they shot an angle where Owens was beaten down by Rollins and AOP and he went out in an ambulance, so returning six days later seems premature. As far as an angle on the show or on Raw the next night, that would seem likely.

> The advance for the show isn’t strong by current standards. Most of the upper deck, except sections in front of the hard camera, aren’t being sold. There are even sections in the lower bowl not being sold. There are 560 tickets on the secondary market with a $43.48 get-in price.

> There was a robbery on 12/10 when two people came to Arena Puebla, the company’s weekly Monday night stop, and were able to talk their way win, and then forced employees to hand then over the ticket revenue from the show the night before, which was about 230,000 pesos (a little over $12,000). They left before police arrived

> This is Flamita’s explanation for being gone from AAA and not being on the 12/…
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Sonny Siaki - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 23:13:25 EST pFkzltrk No.6337981 Reply
>>6337930
>Kerry only had a few good years
So has Kenny. And Kerry's peaks were greater
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Vader - Sun, 15 Dec 2019 00:32:41 EST zVSMKZyQ No.6338000 Reply
>>6337981
>Kerry's peaks were greater
Lmfao no. Kerry was popular in just Texas, Omega a star in Japan and sold out the dome, also one of the best in ring.
Kerry's biggest "draw" was because his brother died.
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Kurrgan - Sun, 15 Dec 2019 00:54:24 EST hoyr1fa5 No.6338004 Reply
>>6337981
I'm not a huge Kenny fan but Kerry wasn't even the best Von Erich. What specifically makes you say his peaks were higher?

Social Media Thread: SUPER HUMMAN edition

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- Sat, 07 Dec 2019 09:15:06 EST efMXZpxi No.6335497
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Make sure you say happy birthday to our guy SUPER HUMMAN

https://twitter.com/superhumman1234/status/1203180712398065664
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Rob Van Dam - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 21:51:59 EST QitoyPtD No.6337964 Reply
>>6337951
did people here actually think they were throwing shots irl? fam fuck Corey in general but come on...
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EZ Money - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 23:01:08 EST ccUnGnWt No.6337980 Reply
>>6337951
> it’s not the marks who got worked
> no, nono, its the guy who Worked them who got worked
> the fans were only PRETENDING to be worked into a shoot

The worst promos of all time

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Bad delivery, bad lines, bad production, whatever the cause, post the worst promos in wrestling history.
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Octagón - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 21:59:00 EST d93ZX4In No.6337965 Reply
There was a video from a promotion I remember before, it may not have been a promo vid, but a roster video. It's the same promotion the angle with the guy being "hit" by a car in the snow was from.

MJF

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- Sat, 14 Dec 2019 06:34:36 EST YPoRp1aY No.6337762
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How long until he wins the big one in AEW? Long term he can either be the face or heel of the company
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El MurciŽlago - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 22:26:02 EST wEUoMe8e No.6337973 Reply
>>6337939

EHHHHH. Zero good promos use the word "balls". You can take the teenage drug dealer out of the high school, but you can't take the high school out of the grown-up teenage drug dealer. I am glad his voice got deeper, this promo sounds like a guy in Todd's gang from Beavis & Butthead.

Though this did remind me of seeing him do some crazy fucked up promo (maybe in CZW?) where he was being way too physical with a woman in a believably fucked-up way and seemed very legit.

fuck it, nwa general thread

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- Thu, 27 Jun 2019 01:32:25 EST iVSK5WcY No.6256745
File: 1561613545201.jpg -(52317B / 51.09KB, 900x547) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. fuck it, nwa general thread
i remember asking a while ago if we could have an nwa general to keep up with all the updates about the brand
not getting a clear response from the mods, i decided to make my own thread, with blackjack and hookers

>NWA Power airs on Tuesdays at 6:05pm EST / 11:05pm GMT in /wooo/tube 2 - http://taima.tv/r/wooo2. Replays air on Wednesdays at 12:20pm EST / 5:20pm GMT in /wooo/tube.
>NWA IPPVs will be shown when scheduled in the tubes.

https://www.nationalwrestlingalliance.com/
https://www.youtube.com/NWA
https://www.twitter.com/nwa
https://www.facebook.com/NWA/
https://www.instagram.com/nwa/
https://www.prowrestlingtees.com/promotion-tshirts/nwa.html

dont know what else to add
have a fine day

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Krazy K - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 12:45:02 EST BlrIoG3o No.6337826 Reply
>The National Wrestling Alliance will present their latest PPV on FITE.TV tonight at 6 PM EST, Into the Fire. The show already has the company's largest pre-sale orders to date for a PPV on FITE. The event will feature:

>Nick Aldis vs James Storm for the NWA World Title - Best of Three Falls, Two Referees. Referees announced are Brian Hebner and Tim Storm. Third fall referee, if needed, to be announced.
>Ashley Vox and Alyson Kay vs. Melina and Marti Belle.
>NWA World Tag Team Champions The Rock N' Roll Express vs. The Wild Cards, Thomas Lattimer & Royce Isaacs.
>Ken Anderson vs. Eli Drake.
>NWA National Heavyweight Champion Colt Cabana vs. Aron Stevens vs. Ricky Starks.
>Trevor Murdoch vs. The Question Mark.
>The debuting Tasha Steelz vs. Thunder Rosa.

>The NWA will tape TV on Sunday and Monday in Atlanta. Those shows are sold out, to the point that we could not even get a rep for the site into the tapings. If anyone is attending, we are seeking live reports.

>The current plan is to do another round of TV and a PPV in January 2020.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Sat, 14 Dec 2019 22:05:09 EST RfR71Ygz No.6337967 Reply
>>6337826
>A PPV in January 2020

I’m surprised they’re doing another PPV so soon after tonight’s PPV but I guess they’re going to do PPVs on a more frequent basis? Maybe not monthly but like 4 or 5 a year perhaps?
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