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Still not a main-eventer by Michael Nakazawa - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:07:16 EST ID:9D9iwU5d No.5895067 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>Most consistently entertaining in-ring performer on the roster
>Really strong, knows a million moves and can capable of wild athletic spots
>Has a great look (especially with the whole Bond-style suave euro shtick)
>Terrific body language and facial expressions
>Continued to work MOTN at No Mercy after smashing his teeth back inside his skull like it wasn't a thing
>"phenomenal", "nobody [brought] more to the table as a performer" - Ric Flair, who also suggested becoming his on-screen manager to help with his mic work
>"Cesaro would make a great world-champion", "Push Cesaro" - Mick Foley
>"Cesaro should be main eventing every night" - John Cena

The thing that upsets me most about current WWE is that this guy still hasn't had a run with a world title.
JV Rich - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:09:25 EST ID:wyd5W6Pf No.5895068 Ignore Report Quick Reply
2 Swiss was way ahead of its time

Imagine how it would catch on now
Jimmy Garvin - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:11:47 EST ID:sGZwff1s No.5895069 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To be fair, they could have him doing a lot worse.
El Hijo del Ice Cream - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:22:32 EST ID:hbqBqPPJ No.5895073 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cesaro is the main event. The higher ups know it.
Rachel Summerlyn - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 03:55:28 EST ID:7w7yxIpD No.5895078 Ignore Report Quick Reply
To be fair, praising somebody for not lowering the bar is a meaningless gesture towards another meaningless gesture.
Shaggy 2 Dope - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 05:49:52 EST ID:QAAKx1ln No.5895099 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Needs to be face, needs better booking, needs to work on promos. He has a great witty personality in non-kayfabe interviews but when he gets on the mic he's either reciting lines or something is just off.
Ashley Cartier - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:00:35 EST ID:9H9q+noW No.5895101 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Struggles with promos and has no charisma on the mic. In ring, sure, but unfortunately WWE want their top guys to talk. Other than Roman of course. He should also try wrestling less like an indie darling.
Haku - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:04:14 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5895103 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Doesn't really sound like praising so much as neutrality.
I'm convinced Cesaro will get his due. Cesaro himself seems convinced he will get his due. It's simply a matter of how patient one's willing to be for it to still be "worth it".

Worth mentioning that The Bar's giving me significant Hell No vibes in terms of how strongly they're booked & heavily they're featured. And I predicted at the time (correctly, as it turns out) that Hell No was a vehicle to prop up Bryan for an eventual World Title win. Thank fuck Cesaro's tall & heel, less likely to get Orton'd.
Snitsky - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:09:24 EST ID:mOD2uf71 No.5895106 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cesaro is unfortunately seen as a good hand, which historically only gets thank-you runs from the company and is never THE guy, just the guy who makes the guy.

If Cesaro sticks it out in the WWE he'll get there, but right now he's stuck being upper midcard gatekeeper and no matter what kind of accolades he gets in the WWE internet smarks will never be happy because he won't be the guy the promotion is built around
Rachel Summerlyn - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:20:25 EST ID:7w7yxIpD No.5895109 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>wrestling less like an indie darling

I'm not sure what you think you're saying here but somehow I doubt you are either.
Mima Shimoda - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:24:47 EST ID:VOIUVw1m No.5895112 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>The thing that upsets me most about current WWE is that this guy still hasn't had a run with the IC title
fixed. He had a few US title runs before the brand split but has never had a run with the workhorse title.

Also, STILL hasn't had a singles match at Mania. Boggles my mind.
Sonny Siaki - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:26:36 EST ID:8p/unmfH No.5895113 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jinder Mahal has held a world championship in WWE and based Claudio hasn't.

Just let that sink in.
Rachel Summerlyn - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 06:34:08 EST ID:7w7yxIpD No.5895116 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Literally 1 run with the US Title which wasn't even considered good enough for a dark match at Wrestlemania

Ziggler has never had a singles match at Mania either, Usos & Colons haven't even made it to the main card before.
Shu Shibutani - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:00:34 EST ID:7FjvZqO7 No.5895121 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Switzerland population: 8.372 million
>India population: 1.324 billion

Hmm, can't quite seem to figure it out...
Molly Holly - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:13:36 EST ID:+YGnoZ94 No.5895125 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>and then he opens his mouth
Even before he got his teeth knocked out he sounded like a pussy
Rhaka Khan - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:26:25 EST ID:sYoEb04C No.5895127 Ignore Report Quick Reply
WWE is full of indie darlings and even then, Cesaro doesn't wrestle like any of them
Tursas - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:31:36 EST ID:WqSN7Cvz No.5895132 Ignore Report Quick Reply
His selling is shit tbh
Vito - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:31:50 EST ID:7ofY/vD5 No.5895134 Ignore Report Quick Reply
There's an argument for keeping Cesaro in the position he is in now. He's a great utlitity player. I'd argue that there's nobody in WWE better suited to putting guys over than Cesaro. He makes any offense look great, I'd argue no heavyweight on the roster takes good lucha things like him, and even power guys look better tossing him about. The crowd constantly gets behind him from even the slightest possibility of a push, so he's almost always a believable contender. He can brawl, he can base, he can work as a strong man against smaller guys, he can straight up mat wrestle. Dude has everything you want in an upper midcard / gatekeeper to the main event. And then when you don't have a lot for him, you can drop him in the tag division to give it a boost.

What you lose by putting Cesaro as THE guy in your company is not equal to what you gain from it.

It sucks, and it would be great to see him get a title run, but I always feel like if I were booking WWE, I wouldn't have Cesaro as a long term champion either.
Snitsky - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 07:57:07 EST ID:mOD2uf71 No.5895141 Ignore Report Quick Reply
the problem is, we're at a stage now in wrestling fandom where we appreciate the workhorses and the mechanics more than ever, so even if WWE is doing something "right" in its positioning of its stars, it'll still be shit on by the modern wrestling fan. I agree that Cesaro's way more useful as a utility player/good hand, in the same way that a lot of workhorses in past WWE were, but he's so good at his role that not pushing him in this day and age will just annoy the modern fan, which leads to resentment of the WWE.

On a side note, it seems that the WWE was at its peak "smark pandering" when it had Bret and Shawn as champs, since Bret is a more technically proficient Cesaro and Shawn is a more charismatic one (and even so, they had Razor as their midcard hero), and we all know how that turned out business wise. It seems like historically, WWE's down moments all came when they push people like Cesaro, ie workrate freaks, as opposed to their charismastic big men who can't work as well but can easily be propped up by superior workers in the ring or by good booking. In a way, that "justifies" or explains Cesaro's position in the card, but it definitely stings knowing he's so good in the ring and his weaknesses can definitely be hidden or propped up by proper booking.
Sonny Siaki - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:04:16 EST ID:8p/unmfH No.5895142 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Oh I'm aware of the reasoning behind the decision.

But he's still Jinder fucking Mahal.
The Big Show - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:13:39 EST ID:MouTGOaP No.5895144 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's the worst talker in the company.
Nick Bockwinkel - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:37:44 EST ID:tfe1ZgnO No.5895162 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I agree with your points but I think with two rosters stacked with indie darling workrate guys to carry the midcard and two world titles it wouldn't hurt them at all to give him a run at the top of one of the brands.
And as far as WWE's obsession with appealing to non-fans goes: when a non-wrestling-fan friend says to me they're interested in having a look at some wrestling, I show them a match with Cesaro in it and at the by the end they usually say something like "wow that bald guy fucking rules"
Extreme Tiger - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 08:37:54 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.5895163 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>Has a title
>Regularly closes raw
>In a feud with wwe's top stable
>Somehow not a main eventer
Sojournor Bolt - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 09:12:39 EST ID:zW2QwZir No.5895180 Ignore Report Quick Reply

that is damn hyperbole on a roster with kalisto 'good lucha things'.
Johnny Saint - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 09:20:57 EST ID:nNP02eUT No.5895182 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not even close.
Sassy Stephie - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:06:48 EST ID:7W6W+lis No.5895202 Ignore Report Quick Reply

> Bayley
> Sasha
> Mojo
> Corbin
The Big Show - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:51:35 EST ID:MouTGOaP No.5895219 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The women don't matter because they're all fucking awful at the mic, Mojo just needs to shout to get over, and Corbin can actually complete a promo without fucking something up. Cesaro ALWAYS gets words mixed up.
Matt Sydal - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 10:59:59 EST ID:O2fmrJaJ No.5895223 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Too many pet projects going on to appreciate a great talent like him. He will get arn andersoned unfortunaltely and then everyone will just pretend like hi didnt have 'it'.

When 'it' is just having the company push you to the moon.

He should do an edge and christian podcast. Get that rocket strapper rub.
Brother Runt - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:24:21 EST ID:69p5aYfk No.5895241 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah and they cancelled a show in India because they couldn't sell enough.
Jushin Thunder Liger - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:32:01 EST ID:HgB9cxq7 No.5895247 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cesaro needs to stop being such a fucking mark and leave WWE.

He'd be arguably the biggest star on the indies and could end up doing great in 2017 NJPW as they try to move West
Mima Shimoda - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 11:36:48 EST ID:VOIUVw1m No.5895251 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He could also juggle your extended family while yodelling.
Even if he's not the strongest on the mic, he does have that kind of charisma that gets across to the crowd, even if Vince doesn't feel he connects. Also, to be able to play off guys like Swagger, Zeb, Kidd, Nattie and Sheamus that's a lot of versatility for a guy who people say doesn't have a personality.
El Dorado - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:55:47 EST ID:ZmH6MNEh No.5895570 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Swiss people make more money on average though.
Super Dragon - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 17:57:46 EST ID:1NlSl/AJ No.5895573 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Vince is autistic and can't forget the "four ropes" promo, ever.
Don Muraco - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:09:28 EST ID:K9k5vwpW No.5895584 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Too Swiss.
Mima Shimoda - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:22:40 EST ID:VOIUVw1m No.5895599 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Should he get a Cease and Desist shirt too?
Ring Ryda Red - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 18:57:12 EST ID:RM6zImkF No.5895608 Ignore Report Quick Reply
him not being able to talk wouldn't make a bit of difference if WWE allowed him to have a manager who can get over.

but because vince insists on never allowing managers to get over, cesaro is fucked. vince wants his performers to be a single package, so he doesn't have to pay two people for one act. also explains his hatred of tag teams.
Major Tanya - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:04:12 EST ID:wyd5W6Pf No.5895613 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>not Cesaro and Desist
John Bradshaw Layfield - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:05:45 EST ID:RM6zImkF No.5895615 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cease and Deswiss works better
Jake The Snake Roberts - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:13:48 EST ID:W7vDGg3Z No.5895621 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He's too foreign to make it in WWE
Kakarot - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:19:20 EST ID:2372d8VI No.5895625 Ignore Report Quick Reply
He can't cut a promo though, hell even Paul Heyman as a mouth piece couldn't get him over. Midcarder for life.
Matt Striker - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:26:54 EST ID:5Ml0w0fS No.5895632 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jinder's from Calgary tho
Major Tanya - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:27:13 EST ID:wyd5W6Pf No.5895633 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Side note, I'm trying to find an ad WWE did, part of it featured Cesaro in a car, looking classy as fuck; I think he looks out of the window to the city outside. Might have been for a 2K game or just generally for their programming. I think the ad featured a bunch of wrestlers in badass shots.
La Parka - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 19:35:13 EST ID:RDNXJGkh No.5895638 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I got you fam

Aika Ando - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:07:43 EST ID:8p/unmfH No.5895674 Ignore Report Quick Reply
That's far from being Cesaro's fault.
Rico - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:26:33 EST ID:+umUe9xl No.5895691 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Coked up mojo is hype as fuck no pun
Mona - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:27:40 EST ID:Qo+B5ril No.5895692 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Eddie Guerrero was from Texas, Rey Mysterio Jr is from California, and Chris Jericho is from New York. You think that stopped them being effective in Mexico and Canada?
Tomko - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:41:53 EST ID:HKKeY2cJ No.5895703 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>if you don't leave a secure job in the highest-paying, mainstream wrestling company to go make less money working harder in front of less people, you're a mark
Jerrelle Clark - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:47:43 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.5895705 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>make less money
here in the dark cyberfuture the real money is making a basic name on TV then going to the indies
Tomko - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 20:54:22 EST ID:HKKeY2cJ No.5895710 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Yeah what? I just checked what his salary is and the top result said $80,000. I refuse to believe they'd lowball him like that when they rely on him so heavily as a workhorse.
Smark E. Smith !kOLa8smLSw - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:10:33 EST ID:OQLzgRyX No.5895718 Ignore Report Quick Reply

How exactly can be person be too Swiss? Eating too much Swiss chocolate and collecting too many cuckoo clocks? Obsession with the Large Hadron Collider?
Jimmy Wang Yang - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:20:27 EST ID:4pzixsHu No.5895726 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Probably by being inoffensive and neutral.

And also collecting those fucking clocks.
Hulk Hogan - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:29:45 EST ID:4r4m2KPZ No.5895731 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Those lists are always BS.
Sheamus - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:45:06 EST ID:uWYttEhC No.5895739 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Cesaro is, was, and probably will forever be THE tag-team guy. Nothing wrong with that.

I get the feeling a lot of you seem to share that he should be "higher up", but I don't really agree with it. Sure, eventually he needs a solo run somewhere near the top, but he just is so damn good in stables/tag teams that it'd be a waste to not utilize him there. Hell, he was mostly a tag/stable guy all through his indie run too, which most of you seem to forget. Sure he had great singles matches then too, but he has always looked way better when he's got someone on his side to play off of. There's a reason why people remember KOW, BDK, and even Swiss Money Holding over his singles stints.

Pretty much nothing wrong with him in the WWE. Has been getting screentime constantly since the beginning, pretty much always booked as a threat, always getting put over by the commentary and his peers. I'd be angry too if he wasn't used, but hes been more than fine in my books.

WWE has never been about who's the best in-ring wrestler, nor should they be Pretty much the same thing why competitions like the Idols and such don't really ever crown the "technically best singers" as their winners, imo. And again, nothing wrong with that.

So, yeah. A thank you run or two on the top, but nothing more, barring some stable shenanigans.
Yoshiko Tamura - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 21:46:41 EST ID:Ybchf0OF No.5895742 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Stop holding Cesaro back Sheamus!
Linda Miles - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 22:21:07 EST ID:aVcjRQgy No.5895769 Ignore Report Quick Reply

lol rng
Taylor Wilde - Wed, 15 Nov 2017 23:11:52 EST ID:GkfURBIP No.5895802 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Fuck off you goddamn mick
Major Tanya - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 02:37:35 EST ID:wyd5W6Pf No.5895913 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Thanks brah

Yeah this ad gave me "CESARO IS THE GUY" vibes but I think that's down to 2K's marketing decisions rather than WWE's who probably still want Shaemus to be the cover star
James Storm - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 03:52:27 EST ID:QfQNRYdg No.5895946 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>dat RNG
Jon Bolen - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 05:20:13 EST ID:VOIUVw1m No.5896047 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Lousy neutrals with their hearts full of neutrality.
Mascarita Dorada - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 05:35:59 EST ID:7w7yxIpD No.5896056 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Jinder Mahal was just WWE World Champion for nearly 6 months and he's a bottom 5 performer outright
Grizzly Redwood - Thu, 16 Nov 2017 06:02:49 EST ID:0V/yhfUT No.5896082 Ignore Report Quick Reply
ThisIsNasty pls

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