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Rest holds by Mr. Perfect - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:39:17 EST ID:ZdOkW8aM No.6058148 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Time to get rid of them. They been crowd killers since the 90s. You got better chance of getting back body drops or atomic drops in.
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Nick Jackson - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:40:22 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6058151 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Didn't we just have this thread last week?
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Mr. Perfect - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:42:14 EST ID:ZdOkW8aM No.6058155 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058151
I'm making a petion to remove or cut them down. They should only be used to get aces fight out of it in the big matches,
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Nick Jackson - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:44:36 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6058158 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058155
>I'm making a [petition]

Yeah good fucking luck with that, son, let me know how that turns out for you.
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Mr. Perfect - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:47:20 EST ID:ZdOkW8aM No.6058162 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058158
Vince loves me anyway. He brough back actual tags and gimmicks back for me.

Next is to remvove the restholds.
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Nick Jackson - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:48:51 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6058164 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058162
Son, just stop. You need to get some help for your delusional state. Please call a mental health center (never call the cops for this sort of thing because they'll likely kill you).
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Mason Ryan - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:51:43 EST ID:QT4suo9Z No.6058166 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058164
??? Were you not here for when this was confirmed? How new are you?
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Adam Bomb - Thu, 17 May 2018 13:57:53 EST ID:7HKgU5zQ No.6058172 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058164
Sorry but I'm gonna remove the rest holds. They're hurting the business.

Do worked stomps, taunts, counters, chokes, brawling outside the ring instead,
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Nick Jackson - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:00:25 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6058175 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058172
>I'm gonna remove the rest holds.

Are you going to kill wrestlers who do them until the industry bans them? Because that is pretty much the only way you will get rid of rest holds and I doubt you have the stomach to kill, to really shove a knife so deep into someone that you feel their blood go from warm to cool as the life drains out, to look someone in the eyes as the lights go out and they take their last breath. But if'n you do have the testicular fortitude to take someone out for daring to bore you, who would you go after first, and how would you kill them in a way that sends a message to the industry at large?
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Beastie - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:00:29 EST ID:fA3uRMLg No.6058176 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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Rest holds are a vital organ in the body of the pro-wrestling match.

Certain things just shouldn't be touched.
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Alex Koslov - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:02:55 EST ID:0YItr61t No.6058181 Ignore Report Quick Reply
You're not wrong. That every match has to have a rest-hold spot is a good example of why even "workrate-heavy" WWE feels incredibly stale and formulaic. The modern audience is intelligent enough to know that professional fighters need to take breathers and instead of incorporating that in the match through longer selling or just taking a second on the floor would do a ton to make the show feel more organic, but instead we have to deal with Vince's insistence that the wrestlers are superhuman while still making 99% of them look like shit in every other way and we all instinctively know that going to the floor means that they're about to go to a commercial break and will come back with the face in a headlock. Shit, there's not even a reason to put commercials during matches other than "that's how we do it here".
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Nick Jackson - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:05:10 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6058183 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058181
Ad spacing is more a network mandate than a WWE mandate. NBC Universal is almost as heavy on ad times as Viacom, which loves to add five extra minutes of ad time to shows on TV Land and Comedy Central.
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Adam Bomb - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:11:10 EST ID:7HKgU5zQ No.6058187 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058176
I like them and Japan does too. But USA hates them or is indifferent.
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Domino - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:14:33 EST ID:t6FsJTdb No.6058188 Ignore Report Quick Reply
please take the wrestling component out of wrestling immediately
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Shu Shibutani - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:14:47 EST ID:QXIuXozZ No.6058189 Ignore Report Quick Reply
People who complain about rest holds are the same people who bitch when the first 10-15 minutes of a match is slow and not fast paced.
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Nick Jackson - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:22:45 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6058194 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058188
Don't you have a podcast to record, Mr Russo?
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Road Warrior Animal - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:23:35 EST ID:vAvu6PCc No.6058195 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058189
Wrestling isn't what wrestling favs want, they want factions wars, fuck finishes, brawling, sex, gimmick matches, finisher spam, short midcard matches, long promos where the fans get up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xBxLNQaJNOg
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Road Warrior Animal - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:33:51 EST ID:vAvu6PCc No.6058201 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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NJPW used to a lot of limbwork and even matwork. Which I liked.

But asking wwe to remove restholds is too much? which no American is into unless it's the babyface ace breaking out of it. They could just work the leg for 4 mins then abort it
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Road Warrior Animal - Thu, 17 May 2018 14:36:56 EST ID:vAvu6PCc No.6058204 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058148
They could use ring ropes to choke or eye pokes or eye gouges instead. Or back rakes.

Or more ring psychology.
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Randy Orton - Thu, 17 May 2018 16:43:13 EST ID:tvfoz2QG No.6058314 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I think you need a headlock OP
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Giant Baba - Thu, 17 May 2018 16:46:31 EST ID:aSlNl7DK No.6058320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058314
Nah I'm gonna choke you,
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Sandman - Thu, 17 May 2018 16:50:46 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6058323 Ignore Report Quick Reply
headlocks are a lot less awful if you have your old wrestler on color sell the fuck out of how big a deal they are, and how dizzying it is to be in one, and how hard you have to focus and concentrate to apply one, bullshit like that
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M-Dogg 20 - Thu, 17 May 2018 16:51:04 EST ID:qujk/xhS No.6058325 Ignore Report Quick Reply
would be entertainig if they were holds and the defensee is actively trying to escape and the holder is trying to keep him down

thats what working a hold is
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Giant Baba - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:02:01 EST ID:aSlNl7DK No.6058342 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058323
Fans in the seats don't hear coomentary.
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Giant Baba - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:02:44 EST ID:aSlNl7DK No.6058346 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058325
But they do that. Time to get rid of them.
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Al Wilson - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:27:23 EST ID:wjqjL2Mp No.6058362 Ignore Report Quick Reply
We need to bring back Nerve Holds
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Jimmy Uso - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:37:51 EST ID:SlMxWOoj No.6058371 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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>>6058195
Speak for yourself faggot. I want no strikes or throws or gimmicks, only wrestling, real nigga shit for real niggas.

Seriously though this is an ingrained part of the WWE match psychology where there must be a heel and there must be a face and this is how the match goes. It’s called the seven points match and WWE have become exceedingly good at, streamlining it into three minutes so they can promote more twenty minute triple H promos and badly scripted incest angles.

-Posturing.

-Trade of basic manuvouers which babyface eventually wins (optionally broken into two parts by a “standoff” spot in the middle where both men stop and act ready for one another while the crowd applauses).

-Face takes control briefly to get the crowd on his side and demonstrate that’s he’s more skilled when the playing field is level.

-Heel cuts his momentum/control off by doing something underhanded then works the face over (sometimes a “resthold” here), attempting to garner heat for the heel and sympy for babyface.

-False baby face comeback as he escapes and tries to build momentum but is cut off by another underhanded tactic and the heel is in control again (often “resthold” here). More heat/sympy.

-“Double down” spot where face escapes and levels the momentum as both men go down (double clothesline, superplex, lately in WWE a no sell strike exchange ripped off from Japanese tropes, etc).

-Face comeback where they work their way back to their feet and face gains momentum because the playing field is equal again and he is feeding off the audiences bullshit clapping or w/e.

-Finish - DQ/ face gets clean pin/heel wins by cheating.

Congratulations you just watched every WWE match ever, that’s their level of “ring psychology”. The “resthold” is an important part of this template because no matter who is in the ring it forces the audience to get behind the babyface and dislike the heel, because the babyface is the only one doing anything interesting while the heel is literally doing nothing on purpose, preventing visually fun shit from happening and ruining your entertainment on purpose so you’ll dislike his control and like the control of the babyface doing dropkicks and running around. You HAVE to get behind the face or the match will just be the heel laying on him which is boring which nobody wants to see, so they are twisting your arm into clapping or cheering for the face to break out of those restholds to get it over with and so you can see the rest of the match; so much so that it is an automatic response from the audience now, and WWE can program heat/sympathy for whomever from the audience as per their script.

So you see the rest hold IS WWEs entire match mechanic especially when it comes to tv matches. Why would they break such an easy template when they can shovel it at you over and over again with no thought and you just eat it up? That would be bad for business.
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Heidenreich - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:40:08 EST ID:XmRJBgOQ No.6058373 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058371
You just described a wrestling match in general, not a wwe match.
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Jamal - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:44:11 EST ID:b7NZg4wN No.6058376 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058371
you must've posted this thinking it was smarter than what it actually is
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Jimmy Uso - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:44:50 EST ID:SlMxWOoj No.6058377 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058373
It’s basic wrestling psychology 101 but if you watch a Danielson match in pwg or roh or any match really where people are trying, you get more variance with other spots added and other layers of actual psychology. Like if you watch Kawada / Misawa there’s so much more going on.

But if you watch WWE you get this almost every single time.
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Xavier Woods - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:46:47 EST ID:u6C8b8gs No.6058381 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058371
Tldr. The fan don't understand or care.
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Jimmy Uso - Thu, 17 May 2018 17:49:48 EST ID:SlMxWOoj No.6058388 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058376
Why must I have?

I’m pointing out that you cannot remove the rest hold from WWEs product, which is the topic we are discussing.
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Justin King - Thu, 17 May 2018 18:06:33 EST ID:n6PL4O91 No.6058445 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058388
It been done before in most attire era matches or Saturday night main event,
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Sandman - Thu, 17 May 2018 18:13:26 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6058472 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058342
That's when you get the opportunity to drink more beer.
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The Berzerker - Thu, 17 May 2018 18:29:23 EST ID:FCmD+e6B No.6058501 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>>6058175
fantastic post. gave me quite the erection. ty


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