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Working yourself into a shoot by Jonathan Coachman - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 12:09:19 EST ID:0g8+IxW/ No.6080235 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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I know this is probably super unpopular, but I think the wrestling business is so fucking stupid for trying to cling onto this idea they're somehow fundamentally different from any other business. They stick to the notion of kayfabe and pretending parts of it is real to some degree, which seems stupid to every outsider when it's been dead for decades.

Wrestlers doing interviews in character is cringe as fuck. Nobody else does it, except maybe some movie stars, and it's either for comedic effect or they're rightfully mocked as pretentious pieces of shit for it. Robert De Niro didn't pretend to actually be in the mafia on Carson. Constantly trying to "work the marks" into thinking something is real is equally dumb and often just results in a worse product than if they accept everyone knows it's fake and focus on making it fake but interesting. Breaking Bad never actually tried to convince you that, sure, it's fictional but maybe this plot point is real, or Bryan Cranston tried going "off script" at some point, or actually thought he was Walter White. Pretending you actually hate each other on Twitter does nothing to make people want to watch you fight, because either they get confused and retweet it at Meltzer, which then exposes the entire angle and makes it look super dumb, or they just know it's fake anyway, making the people involved look dumb for thinking anyone would believe it was real. Or, you know, Bray Wyatt calling itno Jericho's podcast and both men pretending Bray was actually a spooky bayou magic man and Jericho was legit scared of him out of character.

Maybe it's just me, but I don't want wrestling to be "real". It would be fucking horrible if it was, because half the shit in an average wrestling angle is highly illegal for a reason. I don't want to see people I like legitimately get severely injured or emotionally abused. Just like I don't want Game of Thrones to be real, because that would mean Joffrey actually murdered hookers with a crossbow. Just give me real feelings from watching your fictional, fake, bogus, scripted story. You know, what literally every other fictional medium does.
Mister Toad !SsYwTDHDIY - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:31:16 EST ID:oeRNxYrt No.6080280 Ignore Report Quick Reply
The better way to look at it is wrestling is actually different from every other fictional medium. They aren't actors in the same way actors play characters.

Everything they do that is public knowledge is part of, and informs the whole narrative. They are live characters that exist 24/7.

It's not the same as a movie or a TV show, because we're supposed to think these people are the same as the characters. They can't get someone else to play them. They are one in the same, and I'd argue are essentially in character all the time, even if not explicitly doing so.
Captain Lou Albano - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:35:54 EST ID:5l17+F3R No.6080282 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I just want the wrestlers themselves to take it seriously. I'm sick of the wink wink nudge nudge faggotry. And over the top stuff like Joey Ryan's dick flip can go die in a fire.
Garbleflab - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:36:31 EST ID:J9va/Lsg No.6080284 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Fair point, really I don't have anything to bring up for an argument except for the fact that wrestling just doesn't work like that. It's this weird hybrid now of kayfabe and non-kayfabe, and you won't understand it unless you're a fan.

Not saying it's an exclusive club or anything (trust me, it's not) but that's just how it is. Can't really explain it any other way.
Faby Apache - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:37:43 EST ID:pIXR3WOO No.6080285 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Highlights Stinger was an underrated look.
Jonathan Coachman - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:40:28 EST ID:0g8+IxW/ No.6080287 Ignore Report Quick Reply
But it's only that way because a couple of people in charge decide it is, largely based on a time when they thought they were smarter than their fans.

It's super cringe when a wrestler tries to pretend it is real outside of a wrestling show, and it does the business no favors.
The Dog - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:45:46 EST ID:CdOhfber No.6080293 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Except wrestlers a lot of the time are playing the same character in different companies simultaneously.
Jack Korpela - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 13:57:34 EST ID:sCQQxCmB No.6080301 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It's more accurate to compare wrestlers to musicians. They all display a public persona that they're selling along with their product. Most rappers are likely completely chill dudes, but back before he started doing kids movies, no one wanted to see O'Shea Jackson, they wanted Ice Cube and even if they knew he wasn't exactly who he pretended to be in his music, they still wanted to feel like that persona had some truth to it and accurately represented his personality and feelings.

Like, Mariah Carey likes to lounge around in sweat pants and fart on the couch like everyone else, but if you're tuning in to see her on an interview or in concert, you tune in to see the public persona Mariah Carey.

Pretending it's "real" in public is goofy as fuck, though.
Mister Toad !SsYwTDHDIY - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:18:56 EST ID:oeRNxYrt No.6080318 Ignore Report Quick Reply

Right, this is all true.

I would say that the character is what is real, not the wrestling competition itself. As in, the characters exist in reality because they are the same thing as the people who embody them.
El MurciŽlago - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:20:47 EST ID:thW+6I3o No.6080320 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>wrestling fans
>discussing wrestling
>on a wrestling imageboard
>being an authority on what is “cringe”

oh lawd am I laffin
Chiva IV - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:23:48 EST ID:tY+1rm7Y No.6080322 Ignore Report Quick Reply
This so much. I like my wrestling presented as a fight where the stakes matter not just at the end of the match but throughout it. Imagine if in LotR Aragorn, leading the remnants of the army from Minas Tirth to Mordor for that desperate final battle to give Frodo one last chance, started doing whacky kung fu moves or suddenly just took out a gun. It shatters your involvement and engagement with the characters and struggle.
Sin Cara - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:30:30 EST ID:O9DqxmWz No.6080325 Ignore Report Quick Reply
> I don't want to see people I like legitimately get severely injured or emotionally abused.

This one always gets me because, especially when I was younger, people would respond to people telling them that wrestling is fake with defences like "the blood is real" or "the chairshots are real" or "it hurts when they land" "you can't fake gravity", basically relishing in the idea that "oh you think it's fake, I bet you couldn't take that abuse"

Why the fuck would anyone take pride in the fact that wrestling hurts. Not to mention deathmatch shit
David Otunga - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:48:25 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6080334 Ignore Report Quick Reply
I tune in to see Mariah Carey's tits. God, I wish she would have done Playboy while she was in her prime.
Kaz Hayashi - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:51:53 EST ID:n7ML+9yI No.6080339 Ignore Report Quick Reply
It gets even more cringe when people are so adamant that their sweaty meat boi promotion is better than the other when they're all just sweaty meat boi promotions.
Boddy Roode - Wed, 13 Jun 2018 14:54:36 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6080342 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>implying the Fellowship doing a dance competition spot with all the orcs and the Balrog wouldn't have been the dankest shit
Tyler Reks - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 06:24:46 EST ID:wcviICik No.6080992 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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It sounds like you need to grow thicker skin. You're also very naive. You don't think people like Joffrey exist in real life? Just look at south american drug cartel leaders who will happily murder prostitutes for little to no reason.

Grow up, get a clue about the real world. People are awful to each other: people beat the shit out each other, people cheat on each other, people stab each other in the back, people kill other people. Wrestling, like theatre or films or anything else is a reflection or rather an interpretation of reality. You can pretend reality is all roses, but you'd only be fooling yourself.
The Great Muta - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 06:26:29 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6080994 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>You can pretend reality is all roses, but you'd only be fooling yourself.

Well, that, or you'd be in an episode of Revolutionary Girl Utena.
The Great Muta - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 06:32:20 EST ID:fXXRsww6 No.6080995 Ignore Report Quick Reply
No. No, it would not have been. It might be "funny" or "entertaining" in the sense that it would fit into one of those godawful Setzer & Friedberg "parodies", but it would never ever ever ever ever work within the confines of the original story. People like you are why we can't have decent R-rated adult dramas any more - all you want is for everything to be a giant joke, like Deadpool or Batman v Superman. People like you are the reason entertainment has gone to shit.
The Machine - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 07:30:56 EST ID:4blcDMLN No.6081023 Ignore Report Quick Reply
...are you not familiar with Deadpool's source material? Being a "joke" is kind-of his thing.
Candice Michelle - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 10:36:07 EST ID:l8TU/yW5 No.6081108 Ignore Report Quick Reply
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OP is this you?
Devil Masami - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 10:51:51 EST ID:tY+1rm7Y No.6081121 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Not originally and its a shitty joke anyway.
Atlantis - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 10:58:52 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6081125 Ignore Report Quick Reply
lol speaking of working yourself into a shoot
Dementia - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 11:04:12 EST ID:s1w46yqG No.6081128 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Wrestlers pretending to actually be the characters is the main reason why wrestling is seen as embarrassing and childish and why people feel the need to point out that it's not actually real.
Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 11:04:17 EST ID: iLikEToleARn No.6081129 Report Quick Reply
A movie enthusiast or a music enthusiast is seen as embarrassing and childish and why people feel the need to shit on cody, spoiler; the IWC will do that for you.
Atlantis - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 11:06:48 EST ID:WilGvh4D No.6081130 Ignore Report Quick Reply
>even NJ gets worked by Cody's "Shitty Opinions About Pop Culture" twitter
Sojournor Bolt - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 11:30:41 EST ID:dbrnllO1 No.6081135 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Reality TV upholds kayfabe and does huge business.
Mickie Knuckles - Thu, 14 Jun 2018 12:16:41 EST ID:H+HnPzss No.6081149 Ignore Report Quick Reply
Tapped. nb

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