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Drew Gulak - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 01:35:22 EST ID:qssFrk97 No.6218997
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I don't care what anybody says I love undertaker.
Larger than life CHARACTERS that capture the imagination.
It's not about height, steroids etc. It's about capturing your imagination and undertaker does that.

Also wcw crow sting
Sick Nick mondo too me on an ultraviolent level
Etc etc
I'm not sure why people pretend to hate gimmicks they rule. The broods entrance. Mortis raven aleister black.
I'm a mark for dark gimmicks I guess.
Even cm pumk was cool. Not a fan of Bray really for some reason
Stalker Ichikawa - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 01:45:42 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6218998 Ignore Report Reply
you might like Pagano and Pentagon jr
Drew Gulak - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 02:01:53 EST ID:qssFrk97 No.6219000 Ignore Report Reply
Pentagon Jr is based from what I've seen. I liked his AAA match in the cage with Psycho clown LA Park and some heel idk AAA very well...fantasmo? Idk.
Wasn't a fan of his match with Kenny. I also dont get the kayfabe of his arm breaking move.
Okada - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 02:52:09 EST ID:VmR01BfG No.6219002 Ignore Report Reply
As a person with the same taste, do yourself a favor and watch the first 3 seasons of Lucha Underground. Lots of intresting characters, with my personal favorite- Mil Muertes who is the closest thing you will ever get to a modern Undertaker character done right.

Unfortunetly as awesome as that show was, it failed to draw in a decent audience and went really downhill around season 4.
Linda McMahon - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 03:04:14 EST ID:2at8R5KY No.6219004 Ignore Report Reply
>Mil Muertes who is the closest thing you will ever get to a modern Undertaker character done right.

PCO doesn't have the same theatricality in his presentation, but the whole Frankenstein thing does carry certain parallels with the Deadman gimmick. Preternatural/supernatural beings whose fantastical natures make them impervious to pain.

I definitely agree that Mil Muertes is a great example of the trope done right, though.
Drew Gulak - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 03:07:56 EST ID:qssFrk97 No.6219006 Ignore Report Reply
I'll check it out. O crap I just remembered penta vs vampiro

I never watched lucha underground for some reason
Kotenks !!rbabk2zH - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 03:08:23 EST ID:iWtHtK8B No.6219007 Ignore Report Reply
Fuck Taker and his shit gimmick that led to many shit promos and matches.
Taylor Wilde - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 03:52:29 EST ID:EvYXc0Fp No.6219008 Ignore Report Reply
shut the fuck up Kotenks
Ashley Cartier - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 06:44:45 EST ID:9JmMz63k No.6219026 Ignore Report Reply
Big Evil still living RENT FREE in your head for over a decade now.
Hikari Minami - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 09:03:52 EST ID:FG4ORYYm No.6219036 Ignore Report Reply
Here's a question, is it the duty for the booker or the wrestler to create the larger than life character?
Johnny Kidd - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 09:05:13 EST ID:c1XNQb/6 No.6219037 Ignore Report Reply
Mostly the wrestler but everybody wins if the booker helps with it
Day Ruiner Ryan Braddock - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 11:01:09 EST ID:T+yLCpFG No.6219049 Ignore Report Reply
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Shut up Kotenks
The People - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:51:31 EST ID:DIKFKCIe No.6219083 Ignore Report Reply
It's a mix of both. A booker can make a character look as strong as possible, but if the worker isn't good enough to make it work then it's a waste. And the worker can be fucking phenominal in the role, but if the booker books him like a dork then people will lose interest. It's a massive balancing act.
Jimmy Wang Yang - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:55:22 EST ID:1x1xN/No No.6219086 Ignore Report Reply

The wrestler needs to sell the gimmick as legitimate and believable, but the promoter has to protect them and only have them lose when it makes sense, less you risk killing the gimmick.
Bret Hart - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:55:33 EST ID:7SkqhvG6 No.6219087 Ignore Report Reply
Unfortunately, it's part of the culture now. Everyone wants to sound "smarter" than the next guy. People lose touch with why they fell in love with wrestling. Yes, there are some people that fell in love with wrestling because of the match, but most people fell in love with wrestling because of the larger-than-life characters and storylines. It's only when their fandom evolves that they start to grow an appreciation for the workrate.

I don't want to say that Dave Meltzer caused it, but he definitely had an influence on it. Everyone just repeats the same opinions over and over. Now you've got other semi-famous people within the wrestling circle like Wrestling With Wregret guy that shits on everything that was once great about TV Wrestling. "THE MINISTRY OF DARKNESS SUCKED GUISE, AMIRITE? XDDD!"

Everything that's not based in realism is considered bad now, and I hate it. People have the nerve to act like modern WWE is better than New Generation or Attitude Era. And their excuse always comes down to "mah workrate" because they know that the characters and storylines can't hold a candle to back then. WWE's current workrate isn't even great. It's just decent. WWE's workrate is only like a 5/10 and is topped by like 10 other promotions on a consistent basis.

I can appreciate a 5-star match just as much as the next guy, but silly and goofy shit is part of what makes wrestling what it is. Pro Wrestling should not aspire to be MMA. It should aspire to be pro wrestling.
Jerry Lynn - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:56:28 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6219088 Ignore Report Reply
And if the booker is Vince, don't even think about trying to get over without approval
Stalker Ichikawa - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 12:58:46 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6219092 Ignore Report Reply
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>I also dont get the kayfabe of his arm breaking move.
I think it's like, in LU it seems to actually break the bone, outside of LU it does major damage to the arm but doesn't actually break the bone
but yeah that cage match was a good one, Penta doesn't shoot fire often

also oVe and Sami Callahan might be relevant to your interests. they're more "edgy ten year olds" than they are "shit for edgy ten year olds" like a lot of this sort of thing, but I think it works well enough
Papaya - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 14:07:36 EST ID:AlTW5g+C No.6219118 Ignore Report Reply
Fuck that hokey corny crap. Wrestling should be like early 00s ROH or current NJPW.
Bret Hart - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 14:46:06 EST ID:7SkqhvG6 No.6219126 Ignore Report Reply
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I like early 2000s ROH. There's definitely a place for that. But there's also a place for totally silly shit.

I just hate the narrative that everyone's bought into now that everything has to be based in realism, and anything comic book-esque should be mocked.

I HATE sports. I never understood the appeal of real competition. So...a team that you like beat another team. Even though you had absolutely no part in playing for that team, you feel like you're somehow victorious? I don't understand. I don't get those feelings of superiority because my favorite guy ran faster or threw a ball farther. It just doesn't make sense to me. I became a fan of wrestling because of the characters and storylines. Later on, I grew an appreciation for the match itself, but that didn't happen until like 12 years into my fandom. Even now as someone that enjoys watching indie shows like Beyond or PWG, where it's basically just matches, I appreciate it for the artistry and the cult-like atmosphere that those promotions create. This is why I can't get into NJPW or other puro promotions. I hate how it's presented as a sport. Heck, even back in the 80s, even though NWA presented itself as a sport, there was still enough hokey WRASSLIN to keep my interest. NJPW, AJPW and others are just SUPER SRS BSNS, and that has no appeal to me. And yes, I know that ROH had that same presentation back then, but ROH had a better atmosphere at least. You felt like these guys had something to fight for. They were going against the grain and against the culture. Beneath all of that Code Of Honor crap was a promotion full of guys with the mentality of "Fuck you, you're wrong. Fuck you, we're right." NJPW is basically just "Hi. We keep it respectful. We fight to see who better man." It's just too sterile. The storylines are so basic and plain that there basically aren't any. Booking Wrestler A against Wrestler B in a series of matches for no other reason than a title or to see who the better man is isn't enough to qualify as a storyline.
Prowresblog - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 14:46:48 EST ID:GxXXAuP0 No.6219127 Ignore Report Reply
I definitely miss the characters as well. Characters are the magic of pro wrestling. Nowhere else can you see clowns battle pirates or ninja's battle garbagemen. The characters also tend to be more memorable whether it's good or bad. Say what you will about some of Vince's goofier creations but people remember them. Wrestlecrap in particular played a big role in making people think all gimmicks are bad and that's just not the case.

Just because you are a character doesn't mean you have to be hokey and silly though. Tiger Mask didn't pretend he was actually a tiger. Meanwhile, Mantaur would have likely worked if he just changed a few things like not moving his feet like a bull and looking more like Black Taurus than wearing that giant silly mask.
Day Ruiner Ryan Braddock - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 14:48:26 EST ID:T+yLCpFG No.6219129 Ignore Report Reply

>muh kickpads
Elix Skipper - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 15:49:55 EST ID:z2hwvJv8 No.6219149 Ignore Report Reply
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Nah fuck you
It's fine if that you like that kind of style no one really cares, but wrestling worldwide is at its best when this place is doing this and that place is doing this thing, and everyone's got their own unique way of presenting wrestling. That "hokey" shit and the more serious stuff can exist within their own worlds in the same medium just fine.
Jimmy Wang Yang - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:40:48 EST ID:vDnPq51B No.6219361 Ignore Report Reply
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Wil Maximo - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 20:48:52 EST ID:MYLVlk8q No.6219372 Ignore Report Reply
This is the most drama nerd thing I have seen on /wooo/.
Jimmy Wang Yang - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:18:13 EST ID:LUMg+nxK No.6219398 Ignore Report Reply
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Jesus Christ.
Sami Callihan - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:22:03 EST ID:mOOTd+jR No.6219403 Ignore Report Reply
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People tend to overstate just how deep & compelling the storytelling in NJPW is sometimes, but it's a stretch to say that it is just "Guy A fights Guy B to see who's the better man" & nothing else.

And tbh, it's outright silly to ignore how other puro promotions like Dragon Gate or DDT does far, far more than that.
Wil Maximo - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:22:28 EST ID:b7NZg4wN No.6219404 Ignore Report Reply
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you're right but you also sound like a turbo nerd.
Tomoka Nakagawa - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 21:31:26 EST ID:L4YJHN0X No.6219412 Ignore Report Reply
Wow this post is a mess, from taking an obvious shitpost at face value to being a total dweeb to:

>NJPW is basically just "Hi. We keep it respectful. We fight to see who better man."

This is both wrong as fuck and low-key racist
Peter Maivia - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 23:00:07 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6219499 Ignore Report Reply
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>"Guy A fights Guy B to see who's the better man"
This might not be deep, but it can sure be compelling.
Okada - Mon, 15 Apr 2019 23:36:07 EST ID:rllP2Ksc No.6219511 Ignore Report Reply
So does he have some sort of endorsement deal with Monster or does he just like taking pictures holding the cans up...for... whatever reason?
Genichiro Tenryu - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 01:02:54 EST ID:s1Ft7jMd No.6219540 Ignore Report Reply
Do you really need to ask the question "is Jericho shilling?" ?
Droz - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 02:49:36 EST ID:GG5rbH/p No.6219556 Ignore Report Reply
The greatest rivalries in fiction are always about this you just need to clearly define WHY someone wants to be better. This is why Shibata has probably the most kino arc in wrestling, his entire character established why he'd be having those kinds of fights against Tana, Goto, etc. Just like Vegeta's inferiority complex Shibata had to prove something after getting himself humiliated in he past and that sheer willpower to redeem himself won everyone over
Chiva II - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 05:57:18 EST ID:Yg7V4+qd No.6219585 Ignore Report Reply
He stopped capturing imaginations in 2014. When we see him now it's a weird mixture of respect and apathy. You just wanna sit there and let him do his thing and hope it all goes by fast.
Sylvain Grenier - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 08:09:50 EST ID:2PbxNZJt No.6219620 Ignore Report Reply
Agreed on over the top characters, but it crosses the line when they present people as having magical powers and stuff. Even Undertaker would have been better if he was just presented as an insane guy who *thought* he was dead. Same thing with Bray really, only difference is Undertaker was so good he could pull it off.
Jorge Skayde Rivera - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 08:34:20 EST ID:1GVgh/To No.6219626 Ignore Report Reply
Shibata's run in NJPW is top tier. Just a shame he destroyed himself before that proper payoff. Shibata would have probably won a G1 and gotten the belt eventually, ending his redemption arc.
Mike Enos - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 10:34:31 EST ID:EvYXc0Fp No.6219652 Ignore Report Reply
[laughs in Gedo]

Maybe the IC belt.
TeflonBilly !sFcyWBVKuo - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 10:41:15 EST ID:4x5CjYUY No.6219656 Ignore Report Reply

That was an angle for a few weeks during the Attitude Era.
Taker would come out in fucking sweatpants and talk about how he really was the lord of darkness and then Vince came out and called him Mark and said he had lost the plot. I think it lasted for like two weeks
Hiroshi Tanahashi - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 10:59:03 EST ID:n4uCMfGb No.6219665 Ignore Report Reply
So I'm likely coming to this post a little late but I actually find this point of view really interesting. I've been watching wrestling basically since I was born. For the first however many years of my life (13ish I think) I did not give one single solitary fuck about workrate or about a 5 star match. Two things changed though. First, I discovered Ring of Honor when they had that satellite only or whatever it was show on HDNet. Second, I became a massive sports fan after not really caring about sports at all up to that point. Now I love NJPW because it is so presented like a sport and I'm at a point where I don't really ever need a storyline to get invested in wrestling (not saying it doesn't help or that I don't like them, see David Starr vs Jordan Devlin for a great example of story making a match 100x better in 2019). Guess I sort of never considered the idea of someone who likes wrestling actively hating or even just being totally apathetic to sports. Very interesting viewpoint.
Major Tanya - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 11:12:07 EST ID:kCVS6iB5 No.6219669 Ignore Report Reply
It wasn't for lack of quality. Lucha Underground fell apart because it was on a channel that no one gets and their contracts with talents were really, really dumb.
Petey Williams - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 12:39:18 EST ID:MyUeWVBI No.6219707 Ignore Report Reply
It feels like the /wooo/ equivalent of that "I'm not a wrestling fan, I'm a WWE fan" advertisement. Just replace wrestling with workrate and WWE with storytelling.
Rowdy Roddy Piper - Tue, 16 Apr 2019 22:38:35 EST ID:L4YJHN0X No.6220170 Ignore Report Reply

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