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Rene Dupree - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:13:51 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6233350
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> All Elite Wrestling and WarnerMedia announced officially at the latters’ upfronts at the Hulu Theater a deal for weekly prime time wrestling on TNT. This would be the most significant television breakthrough for pro wrestling in the U.S. since Turner Broadcasting canceled wrestling on TNT and TBS in early 2001. The deal, which was expected, came without much in the way of answers to a lot of the questions, largely because those questions haven’t been answered. Right now nothing is concrete past the point of a weekly two-hour live show. The day of the week is not official, although it will likely be either Tuesday or Wednesday night.

> WarnerMedia is going to make the call based on market research to determine the value of going on Tuesday, with it being a “creature of habit” night for wrestling fans right now, with the idea of going 8-10 p.m. is the current Smackdown time slot. The downside of that move is TNT has NBA commitments on Tuesday. If it does go on Tuesday, it would likely mean, like was the case with wrestling in the WCW era, that during the NBA season it would likely be cut down. It would air, perhaps on one hour form some weeks, and probably just prior to the NBA game of the night. On Wednesday, it is not as much a current destination of habit for two million wrestling fans, but there would be fewer time slot changes and they would almost every week be able to run the full two hours.

> No start date was announced although the belief is it will be at the start of the fall season in October. The last Tuesday Smackdown on USA will be 9/24, meaning if Tuesday is the night, 10/1 would be the perfect start date. If it’s Wednesday, while 10/2 wouldn’t be as necessary, one would still think the start date would be in that range. The show’s name hasn’t been decided on. It’s not clear when the decision will be made. AEW is currently negotiating television deals in the U.K., obviously with ITV 4, and in Canada, but the deals can’t be finalized until the day of the week is decided. Australia and Mexico are targets as well, but the U.S., U.K. and Canada are expected to be the key markets when the show launches.

> The deal also includes content on B/R Live, including PPV shows. The PPV content will be done more like UFC, where it will be a full price PPV at $49.95, and not undercutting the PPV providers’ price. That may have been something that they had little choice on, because in cutting recent deals with inDemand, Dish and DirecTV, the contract stipulations likely called for an inability to undercut the price on streaming. WWE was able to do that by basically just doing it, and the PPV providers had to either agree to continue airing the shows or not. But WWE had leverage due to its long history which AEW wouldn’t have had. The price tag brought a lot of complaints, given wrestling fans are used to the WWE streaming at $9.99 per month and New Japan at even less for multiple shows. It’s still less than UFC or boxing PPVs, although boxing PPVs are lessening due to DAZN.

> AEW to TNT had been talked about by AEW President Tony Khan and Kevin Reilly, the President of TNT and TBS, for nearly one year, even predating All In. But the first actual serious negotiations started in mid-November. Khan had promised a strong roster in those negotiations and was able to sign every key person he had promised. Khan negotiated the deal along with Bernie Cahill, the co-founder of Activist Artists Management, LLC, which Khan is a partner in. There were also negotiations with Showtime, although TNT was always the favorite to end up as the destination point. Showtime would have likely been a deal for major shows, perhaps longer than two hours, like in the Strikeforce days, but not weekly. The terms of the deal were said to be very complicated. Unlike with ITV, which is having its sports side handle the wrestling, as opposed to the entertainment side that handled World of Sport, this deal encompasses both the sports and entertainment sides of the WarnerMedia empire.

> There are some similarities here to Vince McMahon’s XFL deal, in the sense there is no direct rights fees, although there are financial guarantees in the deal and the financial value of the deal is incredible for a start-up company.

> The key is that WarnerMedia will be paying for production, the value of which is unknown. But that shocked most in the wrestling industry because in the modern era very few wrestling deals actually paid for production. In a sense, WCW, since they were owned by Turner Broadcasting, had production and other costs paid for just like Paramount does for Bellator. But in non-ownership deals, only in markets where wrestling on a local basis had a history of gigantic ratings did the television station pay for production, and those budgets were infinitesimal compared to the budget here. WWE still pays for its production, which is key because the person who pays for production controls the final product of what is produced. Both WWE and UFC have for years wanted full control of the production.
Rene Dupree - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:16:57 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6233352 Ignore Report Reply
> There is also an ad revenue split with a downside guarantee. So the final value of the deal will be directly related to ad rates and attractiveness of the product, as well as in the long run, the ratings. This behooves AEW to do an advertiser friendly show. There has been talk from the start of a very sports-centric product, with similarities to UFC and Mid South Wrestling in different ways, with analytics used in storylines, from won-loss records to other detailed statistics and likely rankings and such. How this will all transpire is still unknown and there is a question of being able to make it work, since nothing has ever been done like this in the past.

> The one thing that is for certain is that there will be no scripting of promos and no teleprompter usage for promos. The idea is to avoid the robotic delivered reading or memorizing of lines that many have complained has taken the soul out of wrestling and created a period where the in-ring work in WWE has never been better but the promos have never been worse. The belief within the company is this deal will allow them to be profitable by 2020. But there are still very obvious challenges, such as being able to draw prime time ratings on a station like TNT. TNT averaged 1,171,000 viewers in prime time in 2018, putting it in seventh place on cable, behind Fox News, ESPN, MSNBC, HGTV, USA and TBS.

> From the Turner side, because of the ability of wrestling to be a product on multi-platforms, with television as the main driver but not the only driver, that it doesn’t have to do the network average to be a big success. But the number is always important. Previously, because the role of wrestling was largely to bring up the network average, since wrestling performed poorly when it came to selling ads, a wrestling show was of no value if it didn’t beat the network average. TNT is available in slightly more homes, just under 90 million, than USA, which is in just under 89 million homes. USA only beats TNT in ratings due to Raw and Smackdown.

> In comparison to the XFL deal, the similarity in both cases is that the stations are paying for the television production. The XFL deal is superior due to airing many games on network television. The AEW deal is superior due to sharing in advertising revenue and having guaranteed revenue built into the deal, and also being in prime time on a weeknight as opposed to mostly weekend afternoons.

> Right now it is not clear whether the show would air live on the West Coast, like a sports property would, or three hours later in prime time on the West Coast, like WWE has always done. In the Nitro era, TNT actually ran two different airings nationally, a live feed and a replay that would air in prime time on the West Coast. At that time, TNT and TBS didn’t have West Coast feeds, although at the end of the run they had followed the major cable stations in doing so.

> It also will be interesting to see how and if WWE will counter. It’s doubtful they would add a new main brand show, but they could do a second NXT show, or move the NXT Wednesday show to FS 1. But that move could backfire, as unless NXT is two hours, it would give AEW an unopposed hour. Also, with TNT beating a stronger station than FS 1, that counter programming could give AEW a strong market edge if they were to score better ratings than a WWE property head-to-head because that’s the exact scenario that would make them immediately be established as a player. Of course, if NXT were to draw better ratings on a weaker station, that would work in WWE’s favor.

> AEW brought Khan, The Young Bucks, Kenny Omega, Britt Baker, Brandi Rhodes, Cody, Adam Page and Dana Massie to the upfronts. The decision was made not to bring Chris Jericho because Khan wants to present more of an old school feel and not have his main event of Jericho vs. Omega both there, unless it was to shoot an angle, and clearly, that was not the time or the place to shoot such an angle. Most of those names would be expected, but Baker was an interesting choice. Clearly she is going to be presented as one of the stars of the company and faces of the women’s division, because she comes across well in the media with the idea of a full-time dentist who has a practice and also wrestles.

> It will also be interesting to see how the leading advertisers, many of which were present at the upfronts, take to the idea of wrestling on TNT and the very different group of wrestlers who were there.

> There will also likely be additional programming on B/R Live, although nothing has been worked out as to what that would be. The company wants a major push to B/R Live. One source at Turner noted that the ratings on TNT will matter but they are trying to leverage multiple venues, including B/R Live, and YouTube, with their main brands like Rick & Morty, Jokers and Conan, and AEW could fit into that.

> “Wrestling fans have wanted—and needed–something different, authentic and better for far too long,” said Khan. “AEW is answering the call. AEW is about more than wrestling. It’s about a movement fueled by wrestling fans who have been underserved and perhaps even disappointed by what the industry has produced in recent years. AEW is rising to the occasion with Double or Nothing and today taking it a step further by partnering with WarnerMedia, which is as committed as we are to making wrestling fans the one and only priority. With WarnerMedia, AEW is poised globally to redefine wrestling as we know it today.”

> “One thing we really strongly want to present is wins and losses mattering again in pro wrestling,” said Cody to Variety. “That takes more than the W and the L column,” he said. “We’re talking about percentage of times someone loses to this particular maneuver, percentages against somebody of this height, a whole by-the-numbers approach that really intrigues me. It’s not a cornerstone of AEW necessarily but it’s a great peripheral element we’re working on and that’s going to be exclusive to us.”
Rene Dupree - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:19:15 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6233353 Ignore Report Reply
> For the 5/25 PPV show, it will air on inDemand, Dish and DirecTV in the U.S. and on some Canadian cable systems but not all. ITV will have it on their PPV system in the U.K. ITV also would own streaming rights in the U.K. B/R Live would also stream the show in the U.S., and Canada. Fite TV is to stream the show all over the world except in the U.S. and U.K., including in Canada. The one hour Buy In pre-game show will air on all social media channels including YouTube, Facebook and twitter in North America, and on ITV 4 in the U.K. ITV 4 will also be airing a one hour special called “Before the Bell,” on 5/24 at 12:05 a.m. (Just after midnight Thursday night). In the U.S., the show will start at 7 p.m. Eastern with Buy In, and the PPV is scheduled from 8 p.m. to midnight.

> Buy In will feature Kip Sabian vs. Sammy Guevara and the 21 man Casino Battle Royale match for a later championship match. Names listed thus far for that match are Sonny Kiss, Brandon Cutler, Ace Romero, Glacier, Brian Pillman Jr., Sunny Daze, MJF, Joey Janela, Dustin Thomas, Billy Gunn, Jimmy Havoc, Jungle Boy and Michael Nakazawa.

> The main card is now completed with Omega vs. Jericho, Young Bucks vs. Pentagon Jr. & Fenix for the AAA tag titles, Page vs. Pac, Cody vs. Dustin Rhodes, Christopher Daniels & Frankie Kazarian & Scorpio Sky vs. Cima & T-Hawk & Lindaman, Dr. Britt Baker vs. Nyla Rose vs. Kylie Rae and two matches announced this week, Chuck Taylor & Trent Baretta vs. Jack Evans & Angelico and Aja Kong & Yuka Sakazaki & Emi Sakura vs. Hikaru Shida & Riho & Ryo Mizunami.

> The latter match is one put together by Kenny Omega to showcase Japanese women’s wrestling. One of the AEW battle plans is that use Japanese women like WCW used the Mexican wrestlers and cruiserweights, as a style unique to them. Kong, who is 48, is a Hall of Famer and one of the biggest stars of the early 90s All Japan Women hot period. Sakura, 42, is a 24-year-veteran and also a notable trainer and has held titles in numerous Japanese groups. Shida, 30, was an actress who became a pro wrestler after playing one in a movie and loving learning it.

> The event is sold out, but there are still 1,200 tickets left on the secondary market. The lowest price in is now $50.

> Cesar Gonzalez, best known as Silver King in Mexico and Ramses in the movie “Nacho Libre,” passed away in the ring on 5/11 on a show in London due to a heart attack during a match with Juventud Guerrera. Silver King was in the late 80s and early 90s often talked of as being the best pure tecnico worker in Mexico, and also, because of his fondness for the Japanese style, was able to work well with Americans during an era when there were style clashes that hurt matches between U.S. and Mexican wrestlers. Thus, when Americans worked in Mexico, Silver King, and his tag team partner of that era, El Texano, were often put with them. Gonzalez was the son of the legendary Dr. Wagner, and brother of Dr. Wagner Jr. He was 51 years old, being born January 9, 1968.

> Guerrera said that while he didn’t know it at the time, Gonzalez had a pre-existing health condition. Others have stated the same thing, although he had passed tests to get licensed in several commissions in Mexico. The Torreon commission said he passed their medical testing last in February. Daniel Lopez (El Satanico), who heads the commission in Zapopan, outside Guadalajara, said that he doesn’t want to say what he really thinks about all this because it would get him in trouble, but said that he will insist on more stringent medical procedures as a necessity than what he saw on the video. Most commissions that regulate wrestling require a doctor, and some an ambulance. But in the U.K., where things aren’t regulated, like really most of the U.S. and Canada, there was no such requirement.

> The nature of the death, where he had a heart attack in the ring, struggled to move, and the match kept going with both Guerrera and referee Black Terry seemingly doing nothing, keeping the match going until Guerrera pinned him, with Terry holding up the count knowing it wasn’t the finish, rather than stopping the match earlier when it was clear he couldn’t move. There was no doctor in the arena and no ambulance on hand and it took seven minutes or longer before anyone was in the ring treating him. Gonzalez had already passed away by the time an ambulance got to the arena. There is no way of knowing whether he could have been saved, but the incident did bring to mind when Jerry Lawler suffered a heart attack while announcing on a Raw show in Montreal. Lawler, because of WWE having a medical staff on hand, was treated instantly, and while his heart stopped for several minutes and he was essentially dead, the quick treatment saved his life. The incident had led to a movement, mandated in MLW, and talked about in other companies by referees, regarding referees taking CPR classes.

> Still, in Mexico, the media has not come down hard on it for the most part. Gonzalez was working a series of shows for Lucha Libre World, a promotion headed by El Hijo del Santo. Santo plays a big part in organizing the tours but Cassandro runs the shows themselves. It was his third match of the day, having worked under a mask as Ramses and later working in a Battle Royal and the Guerrera match as Silver King, with a different mask and outfit.

> Silver King delivered a flying clothesline, and then went for a pin. Guerrera kicked out. Silver King then seemingly couldn’t get up. He struggled and moved and then couldn’t any longer and laid on the mat. Both Guerrera and Terry tried to stall for time for him to get up, rather than checking on him. When Silver King wasn’t able to move, Terry should have stopped the match instantly, but instead did nothing. Guerrera went to play to the crowd. When Silver King still didn’t move, laying flat on his stomach on the mat, Guerrera kicked him somewhat lightly in the chest, seemingly confused on what to do next. Guerrera then went to end the match and tried to turn Silver King over to his back, but had to struggle to do so since Silver King was dead weight. He went for the pin. Terry counted to two, but knowing this wasn’t the planned finish, actually held up the count very awkwardly for a few seconds, before counting three.

> This was about 90 seconds after he collapsed. Guerrera celebrated. King laid there and there was another 90 seconds before anyone else got in the ring. A few people working at the show were in the ring, hovering over him but not treating him. Other wrestlers, including Santo and Guerrera were also in there. Fans in the arena were confused, with many thinking it was part of the show. The match was being streamed like on Santo’s Facebook page and those watching could see Silver King laying there with nobody tending to him for a long time. Finally, at about seven minutes in, a stretcher was brought in and they announced they were taking a break in the show. An ambulance arrived after ten minutes after he collapsed but it was too late. Due to his death, the show didn’t resume.
Rene Dupree - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:24:37 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6233355 Ignore Report Reply
> The first WWE PPV show since WrestleMania, Money in the Bank, is now up to 11 matches at press time. The show at the XL Center in Hartford is built around two brand championships and two Money in the Bank matches.

> The only changes this past week were the addition of Daniel Bryan & Rowan vs. The Usos, which is a pre-show match and not at this time billed as for the Smackdown tag titles, and Sami Zayn replacing Braun Strowman in the Money in the bank match. It’s crazy to have Bryan in a pre-show match, especially when he was originally to be in the WWE title match. Due to uncertainty regarding his condition, Kevin Owens was turned and put in the match in his place and he then wasn’t scheduled for the show.

> Zayn replacing Strowman was a storyline and not an injury replacement. In theory, given who is in the match, with talent like Ricochet, Drew McIntyre, Ali, Finn Balor, Andrade, Randy Orton and Baron Corbin, this has the chance to be one of the better matches of its type. Since Strowman isn’t on the show, he would be expected to get involved and play a part in the winner, which in theory would best be served for Ricochet, since he’s the other babyface on his brand and the kind of guy Vince would have the big guy help win. It also could be, if Strowman plays into the finish, but Ali or Balor in the winning spot, but they are on the other brand. On the other hand, these matches are better served for a heel to win, particularly with face champions (Kofi Kingston and Seth Rollins) on both brands. I wouldn’t expect Corbin, only because he’s already slated to challenge Rollins next, so that would leave McIntyre, Orton or Andrade.

> At press time, the XL Center wasn’t sold out but it was expected to do well. The secondary market has 910 tickets left with a $70 price for entry.

> The rest of the show remains the same with Seth Rollins vs. A.J. Styles for the Universal title, which on paper should be one of the company’s best matches of the year, Kofi Kingston vs. Kevin Owens for the WWE title, Becky Lynch vs. Charlotte Flair for the Smackdown women’s title, Lynch vs. Lacey Evans for the Raw women’s title, Roman Reigns vs. Elias, The women’s MITB match with Natalya, Dana Brooke, Naomi, Alexa Bliss, Bayley, Mandy Rose, Ember Moon and Carmella, Shane McMahon vs. The Miz in a cage match, Samoa Joe vs. Rey Mysterio for the U.S. title and Tony Nese vs. Ariya Daivari for the cruiserweight title.

> While anyone could win, and historically Vince often changes his mind frequently over the last few days in these types of matches, I’d peg women’s favorites as Bliss and Rose, given Lynch is the big star and both fit the storyline well as people to get a cheap title win.

> WWE also announced three matches for the next PPV show, a Friday, 6/7 show from Jeddah, Saudi Arabia. The biggest match from an historical standpoint is the first-ever singles match with Undertaker vs. Bill Goldberg. The good thing is that such a match should be kept short. HHH vs. Orton has been announced as well as a 50 man Battle Royal, With such a big Battle Royal, the one thing would be it could hide who doesn’t make the trip whether based on the Saudi government or the talent having enough power to ask off the show.

> After pressure from at least one sponsor, if not more, contacted by fans, the WWE announced that Dylan Miley, who wrestles as Lars Sullivan, has been fined $100,000 and will be required to complete sensitivity training due to offensive comments from his past.

> The story dates back to a period from 2007 (some say 2008) to 2013, when Miley, between the ages of 18 and 25, largely played the part of an Internet troll on the bodybuilding.com forum using the screen name Disenfranchised and later ElPefecto.. He did thousands of posts, most being discussion of his favorite topics, pro wrestling, MMA, nutrition and weight training. But at times he did troll posts, being outrageous, largely to get attention. Most if not all of the troll posts came before he signed with WWE although it is possible given the 2013 date of his signing that some came later. All came before he started with the company in Orlando in 2014.

> Miley grew up as a big wrestling fan, played high school and college football and met Bobby Lashley, who saw his size and look and recommended he try pro wrestling. Lashley got WWE officials in contract with him in 2013.

> Tweets varied from being racist, homophobic, ultra-right wing, making fun of people with depression issues and mental issues, which became ironic this year, anti-Middle East, anti-Israel and even making fun of Vince McMahon, myself and the WWE’s charity issues with Susan G. Komen.

> Miley was generally well liked in NXT, as people saw him as a big fan and a student, a nice, humble guy, who didn’t get a big head even though it was clear he was a company favorite due to his unique look. It was felt years ago that he had superstar potential because he was so big and agile, but it would take time because the standards for talent’s ability to work in the ring are so much higher now, and he was a big guy starting from scratch at the Performance Center.
Rene Dupree - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:26:29 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6233357 Ignore Report Reply
> The plan was to bring him up and try and create an updated version of Brock Lesnar with him due to his look, which was caused by acromegaly, the same disease that causes an over secretion of Growth Hormone due to a tumor on the pituitary gland. This affliction causes unique giants like Andre the Giant, Giant Silva, Great Khali, Big Show, Bigfoot Silva, Hong-man Choi as well as Maurice Tillet, The French Angel, who was pro wrestling’s biggest drawing card in the early 40s and was the prototype for the movie character of Shrek.

> Not everyone with the disease grows to great height like Khali, Silva, Choi, Show or Andre. Miley is about 6-foot-2 or 6-foot-3 and probably around 330 pounds. Even with the tumor removed, he is considerably larger this year than the year before. While he looks big on television, his features are more notable live, such as seeing him physically be so much larger than a “normal” proportioned 320 pounder like Keith Lee, with the big hands, head, huge chest and gigantic thighs. Unlike Andre, but like most of the others, Miley was diagnosed with the issue early in his WWE career and had surgery to remove the tumor, because those with the tumor usually don’t live past their mid-40s, like Andre and Tillet. Between recovering from that surgery and knee reconstructive surgery, plus the fact he was starting from scratch with no previous training, it slowed his ascent to the main roster even though his unique look had him targeted as a future money player from the start.

> It’s not known when WWE first learned about his posts on the bodybuilding.com forums but it was known and addressed at least a year ago internally. When the decision was made to bring him up with a push, it was also known there was a very good chance this would come out again in a bigger way than it already did last year. Likely, the attitude, like the first time, was to ride out the storm. The belief, and this is accurate in most cases, is that in these situations, apologizing only makes the situation worse and makes you a target. The company didn’t ask for him to apologize last year and the story ran its course. My own thought was it would almost surely come out once when he made the main roster, perhaps even in a big way if/when he was given a major championship. Exactly how the story would play out was dependent, like everything, on outside media and pressure. This story never got the outside media at a level to be dangerous in the first few days it broke, but as fans learned from the Fabulous Moolah story last year, there is power in sending the tweets to sponsors and that’s where the WWE’s reaction came from.

> We don’t know of what sponsors reacted past Mars Wrigley Confectionery was furious after receiving a letter from a circlejerk user who used the name “SnitchBoy.” When Sullivan was brought to the main roster with the idea of building to a match with John Cena at WrestleMania, that he’d likely win, the company had to know it would lead to at least a strong possibility it would come up again, given the notoriety he’d get. As it turned out, Miley suffered serious anxiety issues. While the general reaction outside the company when the story surfaced regarded the idea of stage fright, with the idea he was afraid of performing before large numbers of fans, it was actually largely due to fear of the repercussions of the story on the company, himself and those close to him. He went home before the original angle with Cena was to be shot on the 1/14 episode of Raw . Because of the feeling that Miley was money, and perhaps in learning from the situation with Mauro Ranallo regarding handling depression and anxiety issues, the company bent over backwards for him, telling him to take all the time off he needed and that they were behind him.

> The situation was very touchy for WWE for a number of reasons. Miley’s statements were terrible and there is no defending them. They were poor judgment to say the least, but ugly in nature. At the same time, from those close to him and in the company, people who knew him realized that those were not his true feelings and he hated what he had said. Still, the statements were terrible to the outside world and WWE had a lot of different pressures, from the realization the statements were not defendable publicly, to the idea they thought he had major potential, to the depression and anxiety aspect of what happened with him earlier.

> At some point there was fear his wrestling career could be over, and that he wouldn’t return. If this was another era, pre-Ranallo, or another person who they didn’t perceive to have similar potential, the company may have simply cut bait with him. But neither happened and he was given time. In late both sides agreed that he would return and the company gave him a different but still major push. Essentially the decision was whether to debut him doing a run-in at WrestleMania, or the next night on Raw, where he took out Kurt Angle when the feelings for Angle were the strongest given it was the weekend of his in-ring retirement. After the story again broke last week, it was another situation of feeling it wouldn’t last long and they would ride it out. Within the company, the feeling was it was a story that had been addressed internally already, and nobody was surprised it came up. Really, it was inevitable it would if they gave him a major push.

> What led to this having more legs than expected was Big E on Twitter, when asked “Are you aware of this racist asshole that you’re going to have to work with,” responded, “Many are aware. If true, he has to bear the albatross of being a bigot and working in a company that is now filled with minorities.” Kalisto wrote, “He just needs to get out of my way....I’m Latino.” At this point the belief was an apology publicly was necessary. Miley and WWE released a statement that came across as very corporate and succinct, saying, “There is no excuse for the inappropriate remarks that I made years ago. They do not reflect my personal beliefs nor who I am today, and I apologize to anyone I offended.”
Rene Dupree - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:27:47 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6233358 Ignore Report Reply
> According to talent on tour in Europe, Miley did apologize to several people individually when he arrived. Titus O’Neil noted publicly that Miley had apologized to him and others have privately confirmed him doing so. But things escalated on the sponsor front. Fans contacted a number of different sponsors, spurred by WWE being pressured at the 2018 WrestleMania to drop the Fabulous Moolah’s name from the women’s Battle Royal.

> It is not known how many put pressure on WWE, but Mars Wrigley Confectionery did write a letter back to one customer if not more, which surfaced, saying, “Thank you for reaching out to Mars Wrigley Confectionery with your comments. We learned of Lars Sullivan’s comments recently and share in your shock and disgust. As a values-based company, we find his behavior abhorrent and unacceptable. We have engaged the WWE to discuss this situation and seek to understand what actions they will take to swiftly address this matter. We hope this information is helpful and wish you a great day!”

> At this point it appeared the situation escalated to where WWE clearly wanted to keep him, but knew it had to act quickly to keep the story from exploding. On 5/14, Miley was contacted, and very quickly after the discussion, the company went public with a statement: “WWE supports a culture of inclusion regardless of gender, race, religion or sexual orientation, and we are committed to embracing all individuals as demonstrated by the diversity of our employees. Dylan Miley (aka Lars Sullivan) will be fined $100,000 and required to complete sensitivity training for offensive commentary uncovered from his past. WWE will also facilitate meetings for Dylan with community organizations to foster further discussion around the power of social media and the impact of your words.”

> The size of the fine was notable because Miley hasn’t been on the main roster long and obviously has no ability to pay such a fine at this point, but the number is legit, everything in the statement is legit, and the fine will likely have to be deducted from future earnings. It is hoped that the size of the fine will make it clear the company punished him severely, and take heat off from people who will want him fired. Reading his comments would make one think a major company could or even should cut bait with him. People in wrestling with talent to be stars have not gotten signed by WWE for far less.

> Obviously there is going to be a variant reaction infernally to what happened, from those blaming circlejerk or the wrestling media for attempting to ruin his career, to those who feel he should have been let go, to those who have contacted us and felt that because all this happened prior to his starting with the company that how they fine somebody $100,000, a sizeable figure to say the least, for things they did before they were ever employed. There is an argument regarding fining someone for something they did before under their watch, but the other alternative once the sponsor situation arose very well could have been that they’d have to let him go. WWE does have the contractual right to fine a wrestler under these circumstances, even if the incident took place before working for them.

> In the standard WWE contract, there is a clause that reads: “Wrestler shall act at all times with due regard to public morals and conventions during the term of this agreement. If wrestler shall have committed or shall commit any act or do anything that is or shall be an offense or violation involving moral turpitude under federal, state or local laws, or which brings wrestler into public disrepute, contempt, scandal or ridicule, or which insults or offends the community or any employee, agent or affiliate of promoter or which injures wrestlers’ reputation in promoter’s sole judgment, or diminishes the value of wrestler’s professional wrestling services to the public or promoter, then at the time of any such act, or any time after promoter learns of any such act, promoter shall have the right to fine wrestler in an amount to be determined by promoter; and promoter shall have the right to immediately suspend wrestler and/or terminate this agreement pursuant to Section 12.”

> Among the posts that led to all this were clearly racist things not worthy of repeating, as well as some like calling the Black Panther Party “the epitome of racist clowns.” He knocked immigrants from Mexico, claimed Democrats essentially bribed minorities for votes, insinuating that a higher percentage of black and Hispanic women were sluts.

> When Kofi Kingston and R-Truth were being paired up he asked if they were supposed to be a PG Black Panther stable? He commented they looked like they could be in a prison black gang. He knocked religion, said that a guy like A.J. Styles was old and small and wouldn’t make it in WWE (this was written in 2013, just prior to Miley’s signing). He knocked a lot of talent and myself for putting over “Chinese Wrestling.” defended WWE for not pushing Zack Ryder and calling him cringe worthy, that Alberto Del Rio was pushed only because he was Mexican and many other things.

> Most of the comments were not too different from what you’d see on any message board from people trying to get attention. Some were just opinions at the time. But many remarks certainly crossed a line of being defendable. Obviously, from the WWE side, the hope is that they can say from this point on that the situation was addressed, he was punished, that he was apologetic and they forced him to undergo sensitivity training. There were no comments found at least that we’ve seen that fit into this category past the fall of 2013.

> The obvious comparison is to Hulk Hogan, but they are different stories. Hogan used a racist slur word which Miley never used, but that is not a defense of Miley. Hogan was also much older, which again, is not a defense. Miley was playing troll to outrage people for attention, like many do, and ultimately has paid heavily both mentally and financially. And even after all this, while the company will likely promote him as a star, there has to be heavy second-guessing on whether they would ever let him be a major champion because of how it would look.
Name - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:31:42 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6233360 Ignore Report Reply
> Super Luchas did a long interview with Dorian Roldan. It’s notable that was the magazine that ran the story that AAA’s TV ratings were fake, which was then contradicted by TV Azteca (which released the ratings) and Record, the biggest sports newspaper in the country. As noted here last week, the ratings were legit but there are certainly questions regarding them in the sense of how they view total viewers as compared to the U.S. The Cubs Fan did an English transcript of it. The most notable thing was Roldan going through the history of AAA television. AAA started in 1992. Antonio Pena was the booker who had led CMLL to perhaps its most successful business period starting in the late 80s, creating all kinds of stars, mixing in the old stars, and a big thing was CMLL got on television on Televisa. Pro wrestling was banned on TV in Mexico City since the 50s and given how strong business was with 25-30 shows nightly in Mexico City, everyone was happy as they had the mentality television hurt house show business.

> Well, then they got TV and business was on fire. Televisa knew it was Pena’s booking so they made a deal for him to leave CMLL, get prime time TV and Televisa would co-own the major wrestling company. The original name they were going to use was OILL, but instead went with AAA. Televisa at the time paid AAA for television, but had the TV sponsorship rights. Televisa also paid for production. From 1992-94 business was on fire. They came to the U.S. and beat both WWF & WCW in Los Angeles. One weekend WCW did a free PPV show on the beach and AAA did a paid ticket house show the night before at the Sports Arena and the attendances were pretty much identical. One show sold out the Sports Arena (16,742 paid) and turned away 8,000, and had they run the Coliseum, would have easily beaten the Blassie-Tolos record. In fact, they easily beat the attendance WrestleMania in 1991 had done in the same building.

> In 1995, the economy collapsed. Televisa wanted out of owning the wrestling company. Pena started the company PAP (Promociones Antonio Pena) and he became full owner of AAA. Lots of the key talent left for WCW with Konnan and popularity went way down. At some point, Televisa stopped paying TV rights but in turn, gave Pena the commercial revenue and still paid for production. A few years later, Televisa told AAA they would no longer pay for production. AAA then rented a production unit. In 2002, AAA bought a production unit. In 2008, WWE came on Televisa and became hotter than both AAA and CMLL on television. By 2013, WWE ratings dropped greatly and Televisa decided to drop all wrestling. Dorian Roldan noted that he had sold the air time through December and asked to at least be able to stay on the air to fulfill commitments that had been paid for.

> This led to a new deal where AAA paid for its TV time. Roldan said that this wasn’t a bad deal, and that most of the company’s money was made selling ads during its television show, so it made sense to pay for the time. In 2017, AAA was wanting to expand into the U.S. Well, they’ve always wanted to after the 1992-94 success, but it never worked out. The 92-94 success in Los Angeles was built off a local Spanish language TV station where AAA on local TV was drawing ratings between a 6 and a 7, and thus they were gigantic within their community. When we’d go to the shows, I kid you not, in a crowd of 12,000 at the Sports Arena, there were not 100 non-Mexicans and literally every one of them were Observer readers. It was the craziest thing. The best wrestling shows in the U.S. at the time were taking place in Los Angeles, and outside of the Spanish community, literally nobody knew the shows existed.

> AAA was trying to get on Univision, which was always the goal, but Roldan recognized the production unit they had was outdated and production wasn’t good enough for U.S. network television. So Roldan went to Televisa and not only paid them for TV time, but also paid for them to do major league level production. But AAA couldn’t make the deal with Univision and the better production was not helping live business. In 2018, Televisa raised the rate they were charging AAA, and Roldan started talking with TV Azteca. That led to the debut on TV Azteca, where they are getting a rights fee from the network. Since wrestling had become an institution on Televisa, they contacted CMLL and brought them back and the belief is that Televisa is paying CMLL now, because CMLL has no interest in buying television time since they draw well almost every Friday night with the local fans and the tourists, and the locals don’t care about television and the tourists wouldn’t know about it anyway.

> Roldan also said that he doesn’t think WWE is a threat to them in Mexico. I’m not sure about that although right now that is the case. WWE was a much bigger threat than CMLL, but WWE burned out in Mexico and lost popularity. At first it was cool and new. Also, to the fans, WWE had become the major league, particularly when the original Mistico left and ended up as a prelim guy, there was a mentality that the WWE wrestlers were better. But after a while, that mentality changed, probably when people saw AAA produce much wilder and grittier entertainment, and CMLL put on a product that, despite not being a ratings drawing product because of the production not being good and it being nothing but matches, the in-ring was so much more appealing both to traditional fans and even more so to non-fans.

> WWE needs the television and the personalities being followed to work, as cold in-ring to a non-fan, it has neither the drama of a Japanese product or the entertainment value of CMLL. But CMLL is not a good television product to draw past the hardcores. Roldan said that WWE can try NXT Mexico or NXT Latin America, but he doesn’t think they would do well as the fans wouldn’t support WWE without strong network television and an NXT product won’t get a network slot. Roldan’s view of the fans in Mexico are five percent hardcores, who follow everything, and know all the guys in AEW and NJPW, besides WWE, AAA and CMLL. 45 percent he thinks know that AAA and CMLL are different products and don’t really care much past that. The other 50 percent have no knowledge, to the point he thinks when those fans go to Arena Mexico, many of them think it’s a AAA show.

> Roldan’s goal is still U.S. expansion, noting there is so much more money to be made in the U.S. He also said that by targeting the Hispanic market, they are not competition for WWE and AEW. I think he doesn’t understand how WWE thinks. He said the success or lack of it for the MSG show will determine what happens next. He said they never expected to sell out in advance like the New Japan/ROH show, because the Hispanic market buys late. He felt they’ve done well. I do know that MSG is very concerned over the ticket sales, particularly coming off New Japan selling out in an instant and MSG’s belief that there are so many more Latinos than Japanese, not realizing Japanese aren’t the ones supporting New Japan, and again, it may have been a Young Bucks & Omega & Cody sellout in hindsight.

> While Mexicans are the prime audience of AAA, Mexicans who live in the U.S. don’t watch AAA on television, and AAA, like WWE, is built on feuds and personalities and it doesn’t work cold without television like CMLL style does (and CMLL does live, it would die in MSG). Roldan also talked about having meetings with Joe Koff (notable since ROH is part of the NJPW/ROH/CMLL/RevPro alliance), Ed Nordholm and Billy Corgan when he was in New York in early April
ODB - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:32:37 EST ID:DpmzHgn8 No.6233361 Ignore Report Reply
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I give it a couple months before AEW does the job for Supernatural reruns and is bumped into a purgatory timeslot.
Name - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:38:16 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6233364 Ignore Report Reply
> The 5/3 AAA TV was unique in that it started at the normal time, but only went 30 minutes. Then they had other programming, for 30 minutes and then it went an hour. So the first 30 minutes did a 1.8 rating, 12 share and 1.8 million viewers. The final hour did a 2.1 rating, 9 share and 2.8 million viewers. So basically that theory I had about viewers being total for the entire show and not the average minute like a U.S. rating looks to be the case. Based on average minute viewing, which we got, the first half hour would be 846,000 viewers measured like a U.S. show and the one hour version would be 1,025,000 viewers.

> The 5/10 show on Easter Friday was down, blamed on the holiday, doing a 1.9 rating and 3.1 million viewers which was 837,000 viewers measured like a U.S. show. The peak minute was a 2.9 rating during the Dr. Wagner Jr.& Psycho Clown vs. Rey Escorpion & Blue Demon Jr. Their audience is 57 percent men, and 28 percent under 18, 11 percent 19-29, 25 percent 30 to 44, and 36 percent over 45.

> La Mascara told Mas Luchas that he left AAA because his contract expired, he had felt unappreciated and hadn’t been happy. But he did say if they wanted to use him for shows he would listen. He said he wanted to reform Los Ingobernables on the independent scene in Mexico teaming with Rush. He said he thought it was very unlikely he could return to CMLL. Mascara was fired a few years back when he destroyed Ultimo Guerrero’s car

> They are going to Guadalajara for a TV taping for the first time since the disastrous 2015 Rey de Reyes event, which had to be moved twice and in doing so there was a bus accident with the crew and one of the employees died in the accident. Plus the show bombed at the box office even with Rey Mysterio on it.

> Dominion on 6/9 in Osaka was very close to sold out by the third day of sales which is the Kazuchika Okada vs. Chris Jericho main event, Every section but the top sold out instantly but there were still a few upper deck seats left at press time

> The Best of the Super Juniors tournament opened with three shows this week. The opening night was 5/13 in Sendai before 1,630 fans. It was A block night as Tiger Mask beat Taka Michinoku in 10:56 with a Tiger suplex. Titan pinned Yoshinobu Kanemaru in 11:01 with en mortal. Marty Scurll pinned Jonathan Gresham in 12:32 with the black plague. In the match everyone was talking about beforehand, and it delivered and then some, Shingo Takagi pinned Sho in 25:07 with last of the dragon. I’d give that one ****½. The main event saw Taiji Ishimori beat IWGP jr. champion Dragon Lee in 18:32 with the bloody cross. I’d give that ****, although there was a big difference in those two bouts. This wasn’t as good as their title match in Fukuoka

> New Japan General Manager Michael Craven was in Australia promoting the Melbourne and Sydney shows. He said that Jushin Liger wouldn’t be at the shows because he’ll be in Mexico that week, but he also said there’s a possibility of another Australia tour before the end of the year based on how the June shows do

> The unveiling of the statue of The Crusher in Milwaukee for Crusherfest on 6/8 and 6/9 has announced Jerry Lawler and Baron Von Raschke as guests. The statue will be unveiled on 6/8 at 3 p.m. at 1101 Milwaukee Ave., in South Milwaukee. There will be live wrestling in the area all weekend, including lots of Crusher merchandise. For The Crusher theme, there will be polka bands, food including fried turkey necks (Crusher used to call his opponent turkey necks), cigars (even though he really didn’t smoke cigars, his gimmick was to do his interviews and come out with an unlit cigar in his mouth) and of course beer (drinking beer was his gimmick and he would tell people that his training was doing road work while carrying a keg on his shoulders or running from saloon to saloon dancing with women who were 200 pounds or more

> An embarrassing story is that this past week, Alberto El Patron was using social media to build up a three-way match on 5/5 in Monterrey with Alberto & brother El Hijo de Cien Caras facing Pentagon & Fenix and El Hijo de Dr. Wagner & Galeno del Mal. In the buildup, Alberto said that Pentagon wasn’t really a star because a real star would never wrestle in front of 300 or 400 fans and he’d never lower himself to work those kind of shows because he’s a real star. He has claimed that because of the crowds he’s worked in front of that he is one of the biggest Mexican stars of all-time, and at one point had heat with his uncle claiming he was actually a bigger star than Mil Mascaras ever was.

> Pentagon shot back saying that Alberto used to be a star, but he isn’t one anymore. There were people who thought they had legit heat, but evidently not enough, since the match drew 500 fans in a 5,000 seat building. A lot of people were making fun of Alberto after the show regarding his drawing power. He was definitely a huge star years ago but his drawing power has fallen. He rarely wrestles and the last time he was in Mexico City a few months ago, that didn’t draw either

> Aussie Open of Mark Davis & Kyle Fletcher won the British tag team titles from Minoru Suzuki & Zack Sabre Jr. on the 5/10 RevPro show at York Hall in London. The match went 25:00 and life reports had it as a ****½ match. It had a big fight feel with a loud split crowd. Suzuki went out of his way to make Davis look good. Davis pinned Sabre after a version of a piledriver.

> Austin Aries will be returning to MLW. There’s no arguing that Aries is a great talent, but he’s also hard to keep happy. Then again, they’ve had seemingly no serious issues with Teddy Hart, Low Ki or L.A. Park, who all have made a career out of having issues with promotions. Also headed in is Adam Brooks, who had that awesome match on the 5/3 Arena Mexico show

> Add David Sahadi to the list of people in production. Sahadi worked for WWE and TNA dating back to the late 90s. I know he was trying to catch on with AEW, but Keith Mitchell is in charge of that crew and Sahadi and Mitchell had issues dating back to TNA. Salina de la Renta, who they are pushing as almost the face of the company due to media, has inked a contract extension which include her doing more front office work and being taught production work. Also signed is Tristan Thai, who has been working in the Northeast independents for a few years

> They had a unique shoot like issue at a recent taping. There was a tryout match with Ariel Dominguez, a small guy with a strong amateur background, facing Brian Idol. Idol was told to keep things basic and given a time cue. Then he started doing moonsaults and was going over time. Basically they gave the signal to go home and Idol wasn’t going so Dominguez started actually wrestling with him and pinned him

> Crowds were down for the recent ROH War of the Worlds tour. It’s pretty clear things are flat right now. The actual crowd for 5/8 in Buffalo was 600. Toronto on 5/9 was 1,000, well down from the expected 1,500. Grand Rapids, MI on 5/11 was 700 and Chicago on 5/12 drew 900 for television, which is less than the 2,000 that MLW has been doing in the market

> The 7/7 Slammiversary PPV in Dallas, coming the same week as a Raw on 7/1 and the New Japan G-1 show on 7/6 in the same city, will be held at Gilley’s. Gilley’s holds about 1,000 but with television production set up they probably wouldn’t be able to put more than 700 to 750 in the place, so it shouldn’t be hard to make it full for a PPV show. They are pushing that superfans, while limited, will spend lots of money so they are doing a $200 top ticket price for front row, autographs and photo ops with the talent. Brian Cage vs. Michael Elgin for the title looks to be the main event
Rene Dupree - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:39:33 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6233365 Ignore Report Reply
Rene Dupree - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:41:32 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6233368 Ignore Report Reply
> Elgin talked about leaving New Japan for Impact at a press conference. He said he spent so much time in Japan and felt it was time to move on and focus n being a father and with the options out there he decided Impact was the best fit. As noted here, the door is said to be open from the Japan side should he choose to return and he was given an offer for a new deal. The thing is both the father thing and in Impact, he’s going to be put in the world title picture and used on top, be allowed to talk and be pushed as a headliner. That probably wouldn’t happen anywhere else for him except possibly ROH, and he had bad feelings for ROH from the last time he worked there. He said he tries to follow every company and its talent and the product and said Impact was what he liked. We know that both Elgin and Davey Boy Smith Jr., and probably others, had interest in working for Impact but New Japan wouldn’t allow it for their contracted guys with the idea Impact is competition with ROH, their business partner. He also said with Impact he’d have more creative freedom on the mic. . .

> Killer Kross asked for his release, but since he’s got a few years left on his contract, he was turned down, and officials have said that they expect him to honor the rest of his contract. Kross is on a per date basis and now could possibly get six figures on the open market, or close to it, since WWE has interest in him. He asked for a new deal for a figure said to be well over six-figures annually. He was given a counter offer of a guarantee reportedly less than half of what he asked for, but far greater than what he was making, on a new three-year deal, but one can see that would lock him in for a long time and keep him from the opportunity of going to AEW and WWE. Kross turned down that offer and then asked for his release, which was denied. The contract he signed was on a per show basis and those are very low money deals. The story was first reported by PW Insider. Someone like Kross, who came in without a big name in the U.S., would go there for exposure and to get noticed and help get more indie bookings out of it.

> The Impact side is that Kross had no real name value in the U.S. prior to coming in, and had never been offered a contract with a major group including WWE previously. They came up with the concept of the character and gave him a push, and to his credit, he’s been a big success in their eyes in the role, which is why they were willing to restructure the deal, but not at six figures. He was particularly praised for his interview ability. It was also noted that Kross’ situation is tougher than many because on the independent scene, there is more opportunities now for high flyer types who do big spot matches than big guys who are character players and strong on promos. Kross also works for AAA in Mexico and Konnan sees him as a guy with superstar charisma. Kross had a WWE tryout shortly before signing with Impact and at the time, WWE didn’t offer him a deal, and then he signed with Impact. The expectation is the sides will continue to work together

> Santana of LAX suffered a stage two MCL tear in his 5/5 match on the House of Glory show with LAX vs. Jake & Dave Crist vs. Smoothe Blackmon & Chris Seaton. He won’t need surgery but has to take a few weeks off. They hope for him to return at the 6/6 and 6/7 tapings in New York at the Melrose Ballroom

> They are pushing the 6/8 show working with House of Hardcore at the 2300 Arena as The Night You Can’t Mist, which will be a live Impact+ streaming special built around the Great Muta

> Brian Cage returned to action on 5/12 working for Warrior Wrestling in Chicago. It may have been a protected situation since he was scheduled for a Warrior Wrestling title defense against Wardlow (a big wrestler who has been on some people’s radar) and it instead was a three-way cage match with Cage, Wardlow and Austin Aries, with Cage winning

> Cage’s fiancé, Melissa Santos tore her ACL training to wrestle a few months back and recently had surgery on it. The surgery actually led to she and Brian Cage moving their wedding date that they had planned.

> Tony Khan did an interview that appeared to be at the ITV studios this past week talking a lot of long-term things that made it certainly feel like the relationship isn’t a one-show thing. One thing he brought up in specific is the idea of doing PPVs both in the U.S. and the U.K. noting the idea of an 8 p.m. U.K. time PPV on Saturday nights that would be a 3 p.m. start on the East Coast and Noon on the West Coast

> Referee Paul Turner and two other ROH employees quit the company in recent days and have started here. Turner will be head referee. Christina “Chrissy” Meyers will be working for Dana Massie in the merchandise department. She handled accounting, travel and merchandise at ROH. The other was Shawn Carr, who will be the head of ring crew and drive the ring truck

> Tatsumi Fujinami and Mil Mascaras are not going to be at Starrcast

> Earl Hebner, who turns 70 this week, and is probably the most famous referee in American pro wrestling for a wide variety of reasons from the Twin Hebner angle and Montreal screwjob, has also been added to the list of referees hired. He had been with Impact until 2017 when he left amidst budget cutting. Also hired was Aubrey Edwards, who comes from Defy in Washington, as the company’s first female referee

> Portuguese wrestler Shanna has been talked with regarding coming in. It’s not a done deal yet as they have to work out all the visa issues but it’s in progress.

> The company sent out a note that the WWE Network will n longer be available on a number of devices after 5/21. This has to do with changes being made to upgrade the network and getting ready for the multiple tier options. The devices they listed were Amazon Fire Tablets, Apple TV (third generation and earlier models), LG (2016 and earlier models), PS 3, Samsung (2016 and earlier models), Samsung and Sony Blu-Ray Players, Sony non Android TVs, Windows 10 desktop and Xbox 360

> Vince McMahon was the subject of a cover story in Variety this week, after an interview regarding the move to FOX in the fall. Regarding the deal, he said, “WWE talent will be appearing on (FOX) programming. It’s going to be a totally integrated approach. We’ve never had a platform like this in terms of promotion. FOX is going to go all-in, and they’re great promoters.” When McMahon was asked about criticism of the schedule leading to bad consequences such as injuries, his answer was, “Anybody who wants time off can get time off. That’s easy. In addition to that, it’s easy to weave a talent in and out of a storyline. If they get injured, you’re not expecting that. Or if they have a family matter. Our characters are real people with real problems. It’s a revolving situation where this talent will work these date, that talent will work those dates.” Regarding possibly selling the company, he said, “We’re open for business.” Regarding the Monday Night Wars, this is his current assessment: “Ted Turner opened his checkbook and spent a lot of money buying our talent. We knew they’d do okay for a while, but we knew they couldn’t stand the grind.
Rene Dupree - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:43:04 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6233370 Ignore Report Reply
> The Wrap had an interview with Burke Magnus, the head of programming at ESPN, and was asked about their talks with WWE. They admitted being interested and took a hard look at them, but said the problem was WWE wanted 52 weeks a year live and they couldn’t make that commitment. From what those with intimate knowledge of the negotiations told us, that isn’t exactly correct. The actual story is that ESPN made a similar offer to the $205 million per year for Smackdown on a five-year deal, but WWE chose FOX because of the prestige and exposure of going on a network and that FOX promised heavy promotion during NFL and college football games and other FOX properties as well as appearances by WWE stars on FOX properties. Magnus was also asked about AEW, and said that nobody from AEW ever approached ESPN. That would be accurate since the only major AEW discussions in the U.S. market were with TNT and Showtime

> The company got two nominations in the MTV Movie & TV Awards. The Rousey vs. Flair vs. Lynch WrestleMania match was nominated for Best Fight. It wasn’t even close to the best fight of that night, let alone the year. Reigns was nominated for Best Real Life Hero

> Rollins (Colby Lopez, 32) and Lynch (Rebecca Quin, 32) confirmed this past week they are in a relationship. This has been known for a few months and became less of a secret when they were together at the WWE Hall of Fame ceremony

> Lots of new news regarding the XFL. Oliver Luck, who is running the league for Vince McMahon, noted that the company has done a lot of focus group work (they are doing this as well with WWE and it would be very interesting to find out the results). Luck also put together a committee of nine people, former NFL coaches John Fox and Jim Caldwell, sports medicine researcher Kevin Guskiewicz, former player Doug Flutie and Bill Squadron, who works for Genius Sports, a data and analytics company and also worked heavily with Michigan coach Jim Harbaugh. The Washington Post ran a story about different ideas. None of this is set in stone but they’ve talked about a 25 second clock between plays, no kicking a conversion point and that the team can choose a one point conversion starting at the two, a two-point conversion starting at the five, and a three-point conversion starting at the 15.

> The idea is that a team can be down by 18 points with three minutes left and still in it as they possibly could get two nine’s. Games wouldn’t end in ties and would use a tiebreaker format that instead of overtime, would do a soccer/hockey like shootout. Each team would get five plays from the ten, and whoever scores the most one those plays wins the game. If it’s still tied, then a sudden death. They are also considering allowing more than one forward pass in a play as long as they are all behind the line of scrimmage. Kickoffs would be from the 25,but with the rest of the time at the other 35, while the other team would only be allowed at the 30 except the kick returner. Basically aside from the kicker and the kick returner, everyone else would be five yards apart meaning less full speed running collisions and making the special teams safer. Then they took those rules and tested them out in some junior college and semi-pro games. They learned from those.

> In April, they had more test games with The Spring League, and also did mock games being broadcasted to work out the announcing kinks, tested camera angles and had sideline reporters interviewing players on the field immediately after scoring plays. They were able to get games done in two hours and 40 minutes, so Vince’s original two hours wasn’t feasible, but they were able to cut back from NFL time. XFL execs look at the AAF and say it’s failure was purely financial, and not due to a lack of interest. As noted, ratings were considered okay after the first week. Of course everyone knows the first week or two of the XFL, just like last time, will do well based on curiosity and after that we’ll have a real idea. They will be doing another round of mock games in June testing out different rules. Vince McMahon has promised $500 million in funding. If they lose $150 million per season, that will last just over three seasons. Basically this is the situation. After three years, if they can establish themselves as viable on television on the networks they are on and can then for the 2023 season sign television contracts worth $150 million or so per year, they’ve made it. If they can’t at that point, it’s not going to make it.

> Neil Pilson, the former President of CBS Sports, told JohnWallstreet.com that the XFL’s multiple televisions deals and being on network television magnify their risk of failure. “Television can be as damaging as it is beneficial. If there aren’t enough viewers to spread across all of these networks–which I wonder about–or if the networks fail to show viewership growth, there won’t be an excuse for the lack of interest.” He said having four games every weekend on different networks will dilute viewership numbers. He did say he wouldn’t have advised Luck to do things differently saying, “When you have the opportunity to gain this type of exposure, you take it and accept the risks that I’ve been talking about.” Pilson also noted that by putting teams in cities like New York, Washington, Dallas and Seattle, he wonders how many fans will truly get behind them. It was also noted that in their 13 weeks, they’ll be battling the NCAA basketball tournament, the Kentucky Derby, the Daytona 500, the Masters, the NFL draft and the NBA and NHL playoffs as well as the start of baseball season. While national baseball games don’t draw big numbers, the local ratings for a lot of teams are strong

> Some notes regarding different things of late. Paul Levesque, while never saying anything publicly, those close to the situation say he’s very frustrated with how things are going on the main roster. One person noted that a big problem isn’t Vince not being open to suggestions, but that they believe he’s far too open these days to suggestions and that it ends up watering down all the original visions and storylines. We’re told that there has been too much input from too many people on the team who haven’t figured out that when you change something in a story, it has a ripple effect on every aspect of the story. He solicits input on so much from so many people that it leads to things being watered down.

> There is a question of how Vince is going to cope with things early next year once the XFL starts. I can recall in 2001 when everyone doing both was just exhausted during football season. For better or worse, Vince’s workload is crazy now. He’s often in the office past midnight, close to 3 a.m. at least once a week and Friday’s his easy day, he’s working until 8 p.m. It’s mostly work and lifting weights, and occasionally watching some football on the weekend. The feeling is once the XFL starts, even though he says nothing will change, that it is simply impossible that’s the case unless he spends little time on the XFL. And since he’s got so much riding on the XFL, and is spending so much money on it, I can’t see him staying out of it. Regarding the family, Levesque picks his spots to talk with Vince, but never does it in front of anyone. Stephanie has nothing to do with creative. Shane does pitch ideas for himself but they rarely get used
Rene Dupree - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:47:25 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6233371 Ignore Report Reply
> Percy Watson (Nick McNeil, 37) is no longer with the company. The story is that it was his decision as he was wanting to pursue acting and the WWE schedule as announcer wouldn’t allow him to do so. A lot of people were negative on him as an announcer and like almost everyone who starts out, you have to learn timing, but I thought he was good for his role. Then again, working with Mauro Ranallo and Nigel McGuinness should help almost anyone. If you recall how much Daniel Bryan improved and how quickly in the first incarnation of the cruiserweight division, he credited that to learning from Ranallo

> Ranallo has signed a new multi-year contract to continue announcing NXT. The contract has the same stipulations as the previous deal in that he can announce for any other company except those within pro wrestling. He highest-profile gig is with Showtime boxing and he also works for Bellator, but not on every show

> A version of the Jennifer Pepperman story told to us defending her is that she had taken a red-eye flight to Cincinnati for television last week. The writing team was going to drive from Cincinnati to Louisville right after the show, so she kept her luggage at the arena and the Emmy was in her luggage. I think the issue was that she packed and brought her Emmy. Vince, when the Emmy was on the table, even though Michael Hayes told her to not put it prominently on the table because of how it would be viewed, brought up her winning the Emmy when it was out there and told everyone to give her a standing ovation and the company newsletter noted her winning an Emmy

> With all the current stars in Europe, WWE had to bring celebrities and former wrestlers to the upfronts. The Bellas were there pushing Raw for NBC Universal. They showed a Raw reel for the new season which pushed both Cena and Rousey heavily even though Cena probably won’t be there much and Rousey may not be there at all. I asked and was told that no show brings back stars from the past who are no longer cast members for this type of thing. The FOX upfronts had Cena, Rousey and Show

> Much of the conception of the new Zayn character was from himself and not a gimmick somebody came up with for him

> Regarding Brian James, it’s said that he was feeling so much pressure that he needed some time off. The belief is when he’s ready to return it’ll be working in some form for Levesque

> A lot of the Firefly Fun House stuff came from Wyatt, specifically his new look and the mask. This was probably the best introduction of a new character in WWE in a long time. Wyatt has played the role great and it’s been different. Of course, like everything, the question comes down to his performance and level of push. We know he can talk but whether people after seeing him for so long will treat him as a new main eventer character, or just see him as Wyatt with a new character, is the key. Really, it comes down heavily on the booking. The mask was designed by Kyle Scarborough. Scarborough noted that Wyatt called him, with the excitement of a child, running through a long list of descriptions and concepts for the character and send him doodles and images. The actual idea for the gimmick was made by Nick Manfredini

> For what it’s worth, the latest locally advertised lineup for the 7/24 Extreme Rules show in Philadelphia is Kingston vs. Owens vs. Orton for the WWE title, Rollins vs. Corbin in a tables match for the Universal title, Reigns vs. Shane & Elias in a handicap match and Styles vs. McIntyre

> Angle is starring in a movie called “Chasing Molly” that is available on demand from Gravitas Ventures. It’s available on iTunes and Amazon Prime video. It’s about a pair of con artists tangled in a web of misadventures after a problem with a ruthless drug dealer

> Big Show has gotten a part in the upcoming season of the Syfy action-horror series “Van Helsing.” Show’s role in the series was not disclosed

> John Kavanagh, the trainer for Conor McGregor, was training with Lynch and Bryan, who have both extensively studied legit fighting techniques, when the Smackdown crew was in Dublin on 5/9

> Evolve did standing room business for both 5/10 in Livonia, MI and 5/11 in Indianapolis. The star of the weekend was said to be Kassius Ohno, who did a tag match that went 29:58 teaming with Harlem Bravado over AR Fox & Leon Ruff. Adam Cole beat Evolve champion Austin Theory in a non-title match. It will be interesting to see if they can book a follow-up off this. They are allowed at times to beat NXT talent since Theory last month retained his title over Kyle O’Reilly. On 5/11 in Indianapolis, Curt Stallion beat Ace Perry is in a very good match. Cole beat Fox in the main event and Ohno beat Josh Briggs. Ohno’s two matches were said to be great. The idea with Evolve is to mix some NXT talent with their regular roster. The NXT talent has helped in building attendance

> Bianca Belair (Bianca Blair-Crawford, 30) officially graduated from the University of Tennessee this past week. She was all-SEC in the hurdles while competing for Tennessee in 2012

> Andrade has gotten high marks from everyone of late. He’s gotten great reviews from the live event producers and the talent is also as a general rule really positive regarding his ability. He’s pretty much become universally loved. Vince wants to push him but does feel his English is going to hold him back. Through talent relations, they’ve given him an English tutor to speed him up in that regard. He’s been speaking more English in his promos of late because they want him to get more practice at it, rather than just rely on Vega to do it for him. I’m still not sure why the English is a hold back because Vega is great in her role and speaks great, and look no farther than Heyman and Lesnar to see that the dynamic of a great talker with a talent that speaks little can get over at the top level

> WWE contacted Ryan Reeves (Ryback) and demanded his transfer his Ryback social media accounts to WWE, and stopped using the names Ryback, The Big Guy and the phrase Feed Me More

> It was reported by Casey Michael that Hussain Aldgal and Faisal Kurdi were both signed to developmental deals. They are two wrestlers from Saudi Arabia who appeared in the Saudi Arabia vs. Iraq segment on the Greatest Royal Rumble show. A woman named Jessy from Chile was also signed

> Nasser Akruwayeh asked for his release as he wanted to go back to competing is Crossfit, which was what he was doing prior to signing here

> The stock was down this week, closing at press time at $81.22 per share giving the combat a market value of $6.339 billion. It’s actually lower now than when the earnings report came out so despite analysts being bullish on the future with the great TV deals and the expected big India deal, the market hasn’t come back

> The ten most watched shows of the past week on the WWE Network were: 1. NXT on 5/8; 2. NXT U.K. on 5/8; 3. 205 Live on 5/7; 4. Table for 3 with Kim Orton, Reby Hardy and Giovanna Angle; 5. WrestleMania 35; 6. NXT from 5/1; 7. World’s Collide from 5/1; 8. NXT U.K. from 5/1; 9. Raw day after WrestleMania on 4/8; 10. Formerly Known as Matt Hardy
Skinner - Thu, 16 May 2019 08:55:39 EST ID:IM/bHC+6 No.6233375 Ignore Report Reply
>Del Rio was only pushed because he was Mexican

Yo fuck Lars but that one is 100% valid in regards to boosting attendance for the Mexico tours
Chii Tomiya - Thu, 16 May 2019 09:35:40 EST ID:RBE6bQvf No.6233385 Ignore Report Reply
Reminder Triple H booked Smackdown before the brand split and it was a fucking disaster and anyone that thinks things will change once he gets power is going to be extremely disappointed
John Laurinaitis - Thu, 16 May 2019 09:39:00 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6233388 Ignore Report Reply
>Most of the comments were not too different from what you’d see on any message board from people trying to get attention
>The obvious comparison is to Hulk Hogan, but they are different stories. Hogan used a racist slur word which Miley never used,

FFS He promoted a white supremacist neo nazi band who talked about the holocaust. This is just going to make people think that "Lars dindu nothing wrong"
Linda Miles - Thu, 16 May 2019 09:57:22 EST ID:l02S8x+3 No.6233394 Ignore Report Reply
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>Percy Watson (Nick McNeil, 37) is no longer with the company.


Chii Tomiya - Thu, 16 May 2019 10:01:44 EST ID:RBE6bQvf No.6233396 Ignore Report Reply
No one cares. Move on, everyone else has
The People - Thu, 16 May 2019 10:19:34 EST ID:DIKFKCIe No.6233399 Ignore Report Reply
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>Percy Watson (Nick McNeil, 37) is no longer with the company.
Ok, who has the gif of Percy doing the "oh yeah" then disappearing?
Melina - Thu, 16 May 2019 10:25:16 EST ID:gh69CKgg No.6233400 Ignore Report Reply
>said that a guy like A.J. Styles was old and small and wouldn’t make it in WWE (this was written in 2013, just prior to Miley’s signing)
Pfftahahahaha, he's got /asp/ie takes.
Greg Excellent - Thu, 16 May 2019 10:26:24 EST ID:+z312cEQ No.6233401 Ignore Report Reply
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Truth Martini - Thu, 16 May 2019 10:27:23 EST ID:urPi0Ytf No.6233402 Ignore Report Reply
An idiot on the internet with the most generic edgelord "opinions" lines up with them? I am shocked.
Mr. Fuji - Thu, 16 May 2019 10:38:11 EST ID:uTaRxXCB No.6233407 Ignore Report Reply
I miss Percy already. :(

Hope Beth will be able to adapt faster than him when he first got into commentary. Her debut was rough; I don't think even Renee was as jarring when she herself started out in NXT.
Mister Pogo - Thu, 16 May 2019 10:38:47 EST ID:Q6CHebd/ No.6233408 Ignore Report Reply
Dave has the most milquetoast, "both sides" take possible on this Lars Sullivan thing. The WOR was even more cringeworthy. When did it became bad to take people at their word? Not saying Lars is a murderer but what he said is the same kind of bullshit that actual white supremacist mass shooters believe in. Brushing everything off as "oh they were just trolling, they were only 18-25 and that is too young to know better" is fucking egregious. It's like when they were trying to "troll" people into thinking the OK hand sign was a white supremacist thing by having actual white supremacists co-opt it. What fuckkng idiots.
Chii Tomiya - Thu, 16 May 2019 10:49:07 EST ID:RBE6bQvf No.6233410 Ignore Report Reply
Blah blah blah, no one cares, move on. If you have something to say to him, message him on Twitter. Shouting on here will get you nowhere and doesn't matter to anyone.
MEN's Teioh - Thu, 16 May 2019 10:51:19 EST ID:P2NL5Msz No.6233412 Ignore Report Reply
dismissive attitude. This is the EXACT place where he should share his opinion on Daves reaction.
Truth Martini - Thu, 16 May 2019 10:53:56 EST ID:urPi0Ytf No.6233413 Ignore Report Reply
A place where Dave doesn't read. Brilliant.
Chii Tomiya - Thu, 16 May 2019 10:56:05 EST ID:RBE6bQvf No.6233414 Ignore Report Reply
No it isn't. He literally questioned what was said. If he wants answers, message him. Dave is very open and responds to most questions. If he wants Lars to explain himself, message him. Tired of this armchair coward bullshit. You got something to say to someone? THEN SAY IT TO THEM! Don't complain, get the other side of the story. If they decide they don't have to, then they just want to complain and don't give a shit about getting answers. They already made up their mind and act like they haven't.
MEN's Teioh - Thu, 16 May 2019 11:15:59 EST ID:P2NL5Msz No.6233415 Ignore Report Reply
>don't complain
I better not catch you ever making a post here complaining about anything related to wrestling.
Rikidozan - Thu, 16 May 2019 11:19:23 EST ID:sGZwff1s No.6233416 Ignore Report Reply
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El Hijo Del Tirantes - Thu, 16 May 2019 11:26:31 EST ID:TI1G6PCu No.6233417 Ignore Report Reply
How nxt manages to be a good product? at least in the ppv? I dont understand how they are so stucked on the main shows but nxt is always a decent show,
Truth Martini - Thu, 16 May 2019 11:28:40 EST ID:urPi0Ytf No.6233419 Ignore Report Reply
Probably because that guy is full of shit. The main roster is booked by Vince. He has 30 writers and everyone under the sun on "creative", but Vince books it.
B.G. James - Thu, 16 May 2019 11:30:22 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6233420 Ignore Report Reply
NXT being just 1 hour goes a long way towards it being a great show.
Chii Tomiya - Thu, 16 May 2019 11:47:24 EST ID:RBE6bQvf No.6233422 Ignore Report Reply
Contrary to belief, Triple H doesn't book NXT, he just runs it.
When Vince let him run Smackdown he drove it so far into the ground no one wanted to watch it.
Mister Pogo - Thu, 16 May 2019 11:54:43 EST ID:Q6CHebd/ No.6233423 Ignore Report Reply
Why would I need answers? I already listened to the WOR, I read the WON, I know Meltzer's stance on the Lars Sullivan situation. I have no questions. This is a thread about the WON and this week he wrote extensively about Lars Sullivan. This is exactly the place for me to share criticism of the writing of the only thing wrestling has resembling a journalist and his handling of the situation. You're clearly operating in bad faith and trying to dismiss everything I say by claiming I am "shouting" and "complaining" and a "coward". I do not see why I would need to have a one-on-one conversation with Dave Meltzer about Lars Sullivan to be allowed to say something about his work as a journalist and disagree with how he presented this story.

I have nothing to say to Lars Sullivan. I do not need him to "explain himself", why would I? I just said that I believe in taking people at their word. I am not obligated to want to see Lars Sullivan wrestle and I am not obligated to be a fan of his. If he was truly only pretending to be a fucking idiot then it is up to him to prove to people that he is not actually a white supremacist. I am sure you will try to paint me as "outraged" now, or whatever other bullshit, but there is nothing wrong with people having boundaries. People are allowed to look at someone being a racist and say "I am not interested in that", regardless of whether or not they say they were shitposting.
Jinder Mahal - Thu, 16 May 2019 12:07:10 EST ID:DxpdJWK4 No.6233426 Ignore Report Reply
What's the point of criticism if the person you're criticizing never sees it?
Sayaka Obihiro - Thu, 16 May 2019 12:10:46 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6233427 Ignore Report Reply
luchablog pointed out that AAA's tv deal on Space is also a WarnerMedia thing
>totally irrelevant but true: AAA airs on the Space channel on Mexico, the Space channel (like TNT) is owned by WarnerMedia, AAA & AEW are very distant television cousins.
>Not so irrelevant brother
Mister Pogo - Thu, 16 May 2019 12:13:59 EST ID:+6pE9e71 No.6233429 Ignore Report Reply
Didn't you just describe this whole board?
John Laurinaitis - Thu, 16 May 2019 12:17:57 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6233431 Ignore Report Reply
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>Stop discussing wrestling news in the wrestling news thread guys!
Linda Miles - Thu, 16 May 2019 12:26:29 EST ID:l02S8x+3 No.6233437 Ignore Report Reply
Dave literally just did the "we live in society" thing about lars.
Disco Inferno - Thu, 16 May 2019 12:27:51 EST ID:spozV5kI No.6233438 Ignore Report Reply
He's turning it in /pol/ shit and not wrestling, joshi pedo.
Linda Miles - Thu, 16 May 2019 12:29:32 EST ID:l02S8x+3 No.6233439 Ignore Report Reply
Referring to WOR by the way
Ed Ferrara - Thu, 16 May 2019 12:53:05 EST ID:PdM+LM41 No.6233448 Ignore Report Reply
Dude, you’re a fucking dunce. His is the most objective take on the whole situation I’ve seen. He doesn’t excuse any of his behavior, but he reached out to his coworkers who assure him that he regrets and denounces what he said. That’s good enough for me, and if it isn’t for you, get over yourself.
Pope D'Angelo Dinero - Thu, 16 May 2019 13:19:09 EST ID:Pg7lBld+ No.6233465 Ignore Report Reply
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>I already listened to the WOR, I read the WON, I know Meltzer's stance on the Lars Sullivan situation.
Max Moon - Thu, 16 May 2019 13:19:47 EST ID:umVpROFo No.6233467 Ignore Report Reply
Man wrote bad words to internet years ago, there is no coming back from that. No matter if he is forgiven by his coworkers. Man needs to lose his livelihood and works rest of his life as truck dirver or in coal mine.
Becky Bayless - Thu, 16 May 2019 13:20:47 EST ID:EvYXc0Fp No.6233469 Ignore Report Reply
A truckie or miner would probably be a better career than breaking your body in WWE for pitiful rates in shite conditions
Norman Smiley - Thu, 16 May 2019 13:25:28 EST ID:YKOVzT/G No.6233470 Ignore Report Reply
Hi Resetera
John Laurinaitis - Thu, 16 May 2019 13:25:35 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6233472 Ignore Report Reply
>Man needs to lose his livelihood and works rest of his life as truck dirver or in coal mine.

From the sounds of it Sullivan is remorseful and should be forgiven, everyone deserves a second chance, but the severity of what he was saying shouldn't be brushed over or downplayed, which is kind of what Meltzer is doing here when he doesn't reference the nazi stuff.
Cliff Compton - Thu, 16 May 2019 13:30:32 EST ID:LktuJGc/ No.6233476 Ignore Report Reply
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>Pushing El Idolo to the moon
My man will print money if they use him right (but they won't)
The People - Thu, 16 May 2019 13:35:42 EST ID:DIKFKCIe No.6233478 Ignore Report Reply
Maybe if he had better taste in traps he'd be used better.
Mio Shirai - Thu, 16 May 2019 13:43:21 EST ID:1x1xN/No No.6233484 Ignore Report Reply

Dicking Charlotte is the only thing that saved his career. Hopefully he continues fucking her so he can get to the top of the card.
Sara - Thu, 16 May 2019 14:10:10 EST ID:VeFB8Iq+ No.6233495 Ignore Report Reply
He's really trying hard for the push when the English tutor, which is because I figured after he told Rush and the other lucha dude to stay away from WWE, he would have given up and try to wait out his contract.
MEN's Teioh - Thu, 16 May 2019 14:44:53 EST ID:P2NL5Msz No.6233531 Ignore Report Reply
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Hey dude if you want answers then maybe you should take it up with Trips himself! Tired of this armchair coward bullshit! You got something to say to someone? THEN SAY IT TO THEM! Don't complain, get the other side of the story. If they decide they don't have to, then they just want to complain and don't give a shit about getting answers. They already made up their mind and act like they haven't.


Got em.
Bad News Brown - Thu, 16 May 2019 15:04:14 EST ID:ISVkPzm7 No.6233543 Ignore Report Reply
because Hunter doesn't micromanage every aspect of the shows like Vince
Mitch Ryder - Thu, 16 May 2019 15:15:32 EST ID:fPr90y4x No.6233550 Ignore Report Reply
This is an uncool post.
Masahiro Chono - Thu, 16 May 2019 15:28:53 EST ID:jMLd+XDB No.6233556 Ignore Report Reply
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Masahiro Chono - Thu, 16 May 2019 15:31:29 EST ID:jMLd+XDB No.6233559 Ignore Report Reply
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One more Percy for old times sake
Randy Orton - Thu, 16 May 2019 16:50:43 EST ID:lPd4cvkd No.6233582 Ignore Report Reply
Fuck, I miss the time when /wooo/ wasn't cancerous shit.
Jinder Mahal - Thu, 16 May 2019 17:18:40 EST ID:AIn5HT/D No.6233595 Ignore Report Reply

Wait, that guy in the GIF is Percy Watson??? I always thought that was an old clip of Titus O' Neill doing a lame skit or something. Holy shit, my mind is blown.
Rene Dupree - Thu, 16 May 2019 17:27:20 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6233600 Ignore Report Reply
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> WWE is reportedly heading to a new television home in the United Kingdom.

> The Telegraph reported today that BT Sport is "set to announce plans to screen WWE as part of a dramatic shake-up in broadcasting rights for the wrestling franchise." Sky Sports had been WWE's TV partner in the U.K. for the past 30 years.

> The Telegraph's report noted that BT Sport declined to comment on the reported deal with WWE. Further details on the agreement, including the financials of it, have yet to be revealed.

> WWE's last deal with Sky was announced in 2014 and runs through this year. WWE had noted last year that they expected to reach an agreement for their next U.K. TV deal by the end of 2018.

> It was revealed last week that All Elite Wrestling's pre-show for Double or Nothing will air live on ITV4 in the UK, with Double or Nothing itself available to purchase via ITV Box Office. A special called "Before the Bell" will also air in the lead-up to Double or Nothing.
Lance Storm - Thu, 16 May 2019 17:30:07 EST ID:qtK77yuC No.6233602 Ignore Report Reply
Any UK bro want to confirm if this is a good thing or not?
Malia Hosaka - Thu, 16 May 2019 17:42:33 EST ID:6lubTvqQ No.6233612 Ignore Report Reply
Yeah, he dropped the glasses look in NXT redemption, iirc
Larry Sweeney - Thu, 16 May 2019 18:11:04 EST ID:kNrN83D/ No.6233630 Ignore Report Reply
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Bryan having another kid btw
John Laurinaitis - Thu, 16 May 2019 18:33:16 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6233640 Ignore Report Reply
it's the end of an era. Sky is a bigger institution here and pretty much is associated with Premier League Football, The Simpsons and WWE.

What will be interesting is whether BT Sport took WWE from Sky, or whether Sky simply dropped WWE. Whether BT sports are paying more less or the same is unclear.
Tank Abbott - Thu, 16 May 2019 19:11:36 EST ID:jEGuiRVR No.6233660 Ignore Report Reply
Well it's estimated SKY is in over 20 million UK homes. BT is in less than 2 million. Some SKY packages include BT and vice versa.

BT have a lot of money. They beat SKY to rights to the Champions League and FA Cup and they divide premier league games between them. We're talking well over a billion for all those. They also show UFC, foreign football (soccer) and all kinds of other shit.

WWE would likely get a LOT of money from them, but they'd be in a lot less homes, but seeing as live RAW and SmackDown in the UK viewership is in the 100k range, I doubt WWE would care too much.
Masahiro Chono - Thu, 16 May 2019 19:15:21 EST ID:jMLd+XDB No.6233662 Ignore Report Reply
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>due in September;
>9 months after Xmas
Congrats to Filthy Tom
Orlando Jordan - Thu, 16 May 2019 19:37:46 EST ID:V53j0CJ8 No.6233673 Ignore Report Reply
Rollins and The Man in a relationship? Didn't she see the small dick. Lmao
Ashley Massaro dead at 39 - Thu, 16 May 2019 19:44:24 EST ID:cxyU7ex5 No.6233675 Ignore Report Reply
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Ashley Massaro dead at 39 - Thu, 16 May 2019 19:44:56 EST ID:cxyU7ex5 No.6233676 Ignore Report Reply
Whoops meant to make this a thread
MEN's Teioh - Thu, 16 May 2019 19:55:28 EST ID:P2NL5Msz No.6233686 Ignore Report Reply
Thats too young. RIP Ashley. You had a hard life.
Anarquia - Thu, 16 May 2019 19:58:37 EST ID:S+7IjDaG No.6233689 Ignore Report Reply
You expect The Man to not go Amazon position on Seth?
Turbo - Thu, 16 May 2019 20:09:54 EST ID:DpmzHgn8 No.6233702 Ignore Report Reply
Pretty uncool.
Apolo - Thu, 16 May 2019 20:39:05 EST ID:le5REDAY No.6233722 Ignore Report Reply
You'd never survive another Chan
Asya - Thu, 16 May 2019 20:47:05 EST ID:uCKn6zsx No.6233726 Ignore Report Reply
>actually respecting Andrade after finding out another man is banging Zelina while he's over there banging fucking Charlotte Flair
Laugh at you I do
James Storm - Thu, 16 May 2019 20:50:21 EST ID:qtK77yuC No.6233729 Ignore Report Reply
>banging Charlotte
Mikey Whipwreck - Thu, 16 May 2019 21:03:43 EST ID:cxyU7ex5 No.6233736 Ignore Report Reply
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Killian Dain is back in NXT
Bobby Lashley - Thu, 16 May 2019 21:30:57 EST ID:c8n9JpcU No.6233753 Ignore Report Reply
so is breeze apparently
CIMA - Thu, 16 May 2019 22:38:11 EST ID:S+7IjDaG No.6233799 Ignore Report Reply
Some men take one for the team.
Sandman - Thu, 16 May 2019 22:59:16 EST ID:jMLd+XDB No.6233824 Ignore Report Reply
For guys who got called up, then go back down, does their contractual status revert to reflect this? NXT talents get their transport/accommodation costs paid for because they make lower downside guarantees. But when guys get called up their deals get restructured to pay a higher downside but they have to foot the costs of their transport/accommodations. Are Breeze/Dain contracts reverting back to lower downside with getting their costs covered now? Or are they still on main roster downsides and having to pay their own transport costs?
I should send this question to The Observer mailbag probably.
Chii Tomiya - Fri, 17 May 2019 18:31:43 EST ID:AKlom9Q4 No.6234196 Ignore Report Reply

>WWE has canceled SmackDown's Monday night house show in Lowell, Massachusetts.

>"The WWE Live event scheduled for Monday May 20th at Tsongas Center in Lowell, MA has been cancelled due to a scheduling conflict," the Tsongas Center announced.

2 cancellations in 2 weeks
Hamuko Hoshi - Fri, 17 May 2019 18:38:47 EST ID:3y9pJgTS No.6234203 Ignore Report Reply
yeah if there's a Smackdown house show scheduled on a Monday anytime in the near future I wouldn't expect it to actually happen
Virgil - Fri, 17 May 2019 18:39:08 EST ID:V5UH5668 No.6234204 Ignore Report Reply
Nick Jackson - Fri, 17 May 2019 18:43:16 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6234206 Ignore Report Reply
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>WWE has canceled SmackDown

>'s Monday night house show in Lowell, Massachusetts
Drake Younger - Fri, 17 May 2019 18:58:41 EST ID:86k3rOUn No.6234215 Ignore Report Reply
Smackdown house shows on Monday have always been drawing dismally, even when AJ was the top guy headlining the shows. They need to do away with them altogether and give the guys an extra day at home. The shows are money losers and the workers don't make more money for doing them either.
Big Daddy V - Fri, 17 May 2019 19:05:16 EST ID:5l17+F3R No.6234219 Ignore Report Reply
I didn't even know they ran against themselves, even if SD isn't on TV

That's retarded
Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Fri, 17 May 2019 19:59:44 EST ID:It2BUKqt No.6234245 Ignore Report Reply
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Teddy Hart - Fri, 17 May 2019 20:49:46 EST ID:dYhrmb6W No.6234259 Ignore Report Reply
Yeah, WWE does that every once in a while, it probably has a lot to do with travel logistics.

I remember back in like 2003 or so going to a Smackdown house show on a Monday, and Tony Chimel said at the beginning and end of the show to make sure to watch Raw when you go home. It was weird.
RJ Brewer - Fri, 17 May 2019 21:38:44 EST ID:nC/i4oBQ No.6234275 Ignore Report Reply
damn it Freehaven!
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Fri, 17 May 2019 23:13:36 EST ID:mgS8w6Dk No.6234319 Ignore Report Reply
This. I went to a house show the night after AJ Styles won the WWE title from Dean Ambrose and the show even had John Cena and Randy Orton teaming up and even that didn’t sell out
Larry Sweeney - Wed, 22 May 2019 11:46:40 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6236709 Ignore Report Reply
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>Kevin Owens came up short at WWE Money in the Bank, and WWE have moved on to the next championship program for Kofi Kingston. As things stand, it doesn't look like Owens will be wrestling at WWE's next pay-per-view.

>Late Tuesday night shortly following Smackdown, Fightful Select was informed and reported that Owens had told WWE officials that he didn't want to work WWE's upcoming show in Saudi Arabia, titled Super Showdown. We weren't told a specific reason as to why Owens came to the decision, but his friend and longtime tag team partner Sami Zayn has been off of those shows because of strained relationships between Syria and Saudi Arabia with WWE stating “WWE is committed to embracing individuals from all backgrounds while respecting local customs and cultural differences around the world.”

>Dolph Ziggler has been moved into a WWE title program, but we don't know if one has to do with the other, or if WWE has been able to (or made an effort) to change KO's mind.

>Kevin Owens competed at last year's Greatest Royal Rumble event, but was injured by the time Crown Jewel rolled around in November. Daniel Bryan, John Cena and Roman Reigns have all also expressed their unwillingness to return to Saudi Arabia, with Reigns seemingly changing his tune upon his return.

>WWE is promoting their next Super ShowDown event as taking place in “Jeddah.” Although this is true, they are neglecting to use the name “Saudi Arabia” on television. That doesn’t change the fact that WWE is still going to KSA.

>Daniel Bryan told WWE that he didn’t want to go to Saudi Arabia the last time they went to the controversial country and things haven’t changed.

>Dave Meltzer explained another reason on Wrestling Observer Radio for Dolph Ziggler’s insertion into the WWE Title picture was due to the fact that 1/2 of the SmackDown Tag Team Champions has told them that he’s still not going to KSA. However, Roman Reigns did change his mind after telling the company the same thing last year.
“So the thing is they couldn’t go with Daniel Bryan because he’s not going to the show either so and the other thing that we found out was remember when Roman Reigns got leukemia there were rumors going around that he wasn’t going to go, well obviously he’s going.”

>Daniel Bryan still does not want to travel to the Kingdom Of Saudi Arabia out of moral reasons. However, The Big Dog obviously changed his mind.

>The KSA shows are viewed very differently depending on who you’re talking to backstage, but it looks like Bryan Danielson isn’t altering his stance about things.
Larry Sweeney - Wed, 22 May 2019 11:48:07 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6236711 Ignore Report Reply
>WWE’s next Saudi Arabia event will be Super ShowDown on June 17th. The company previously announced The Undertaker vs Goldberg, Triple H vs Randy Orton, and a 50 man battle royal match. It is going to be a loaded card with more matches likely to be announced, but is everyone on board?

>Daniel Bryan didn’t go work the Crown Jewel event out of moral reasons. John Cena didn’t go either, but it wasn’t clear why he declined the trip. Roman Reigns also reportedly told WWE he didn’t want to go either, but that was before his leukemia caused him to relinquish the Universal Title and depart on a medical hiatus.

>Mike Johnson said on PW Insider Elite audio that the current mood in the company is that the Saudis love Americans. They feel more than welcomed to perform there so there doesn’t seem to be much of an internal issue.

“I’ve had people tell me in the company that ‘You don’t understand. I’ve been there and they love Americans and they have all the American chains there and every American company that you can think of is doing business there and our government does business there — our government works for them and are partners with them’ — it feels wrong but not on a personal level.'”
The Great Khali - Wed, 22 May 2019 12:05:25 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6236725 Ignore Report Reply
>I’ve been there and they love Americans and they have all the American chains there
>"Yo, they got a Burger King and an Apple Store! Awesome!

Juche Gang when? Can't wait for the collapse of the US empire
Alundra Blayze - Wed, 22 May 2019 12:43:56 EST ID:d8gUWoKS No.6236739 Ignore Report Reply
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>lol their worldview is completely backwards but they love americans so it's totally cool you support them
That's a really dumb argument. You could instead say that 99% of the audience are probably no murderers but just some wwe marks who want to have fun, but I doubt thats what Owens and co. are trying to prove.
Teddy Long - Wed, 22 May 2019 12:48:53 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6236742 Ignore Report Reply
Yeah basically nobody gives a shit about the fifty million other companies doing business with them. It's just bitches looking for the latest thing to be "outraged" at while they still don't bother to watch any other wrestling promotions
El Oriental - Wed, 22 May 2019 12:50:12 EST ID:cfOXxE22 No.6236743 Ignore Report Reply
>They treat Rich American guys who have something to offer them well! They can't be bad!
Hollywood - Wed, 22 May 2019 13:02:09 EST ID:jEGuiRVR No.6236746 Ignore Report Reply
It's ok guys they only hate women. They love everybody else and all the money we give them
Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Wed, 22 May 2019 13:02:12 EST ID: iLikEToleARn No.6236747 Report Reply
I love vince russo.
Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 22 May 2019 13:03:02 EST ID:It2BUKqt No.6236748 Ignore Report Reply
NJ. I trusted you, man. I believed in you. YOU WERE THE BEST OF US.

Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Wed, 22 May 2019 13:03:05 EST ID: iLikEToleARn No.6236749 Report Reply
I never believed it though.
Jerry Lawler - Wed, 22 May 2019 13:04:52 EST ID:mk/kfV0V No.6236750 Ignore Report Reply
Netjester pls
We love you
Gunner - Wed, 22 May 2019 13:05:00 EST ID:RRZK+vGy No.6236751 Ignore Report Reply
you cheeky robot, you
Ricky Ortiz - Wed, 22 May 2019 13:06:33 EST ID:3XVR9VoM No.6236752 Ignore Report Reply
eat shit Jeff Lane
Stone Cold Steve Austin - Wed, 22 May 2019 13:12:09 EST ID:5l17+F3R No.6236755 Ignore Report Reply
Shut the fuck up NJ you're based okay
Larry Sweeney - Wed, 22 May 2019 13:32:17 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6236771 Ignore Report Reply
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Grizzly Redwood - Wed, 22 May 2019 14:09:28 EST ID:NHl5lrUm No.6236785 Ignore Report Reply
Molly Holly - Wed, 22 May 2019 14:29:06 EST ID:59uaXw18 No.6236793 Ignore Report Reply
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Charly Malice - Wed, 22 May 2019 14:58:40 EST ID:kCVS6iB5 No.6236808 Ignore Report Reply
this but unironically
Tyson Kidd - Wed, 22 May 2019 15:07:19 EST ID:oaCmfymC No.6236815 Ignore Report Reply
>WWE SmackDown is dead

>tired of working Monday night house shows in Lowell, Massachusetts
Daisuke Sekimoto - Wed, 22 May 2019 15:14:04 EST ID:T9tnWhVv No.6236817 Ignore Report Reply

The Great Khali - Wed, 22 May 2019 15:27:14 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6236822 Ignore Report Reply
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>he hasn't taken the russopill
Jim Ross - Wed, 22 May 2019 16:02:35 EST ID:nBQxUchQ No.6236843 Ignore Report Reply
That's what that is, what you're doing there.
Larry Sweeney - Wed, 22 May 2019 16:35:26 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6236853 Ignore Report Reply
add Aleister Black:

>It was first reported by Sean Ross Sapp at Fightful that Kevin Owens told WWE he did not want to perform at the event. On Tuesday’s episode of SmackDown Live, an angle was shot with Dolph Ziggler returning to set up a program with WWE champion Kofi Kingston at Super Showdown.

>We have confirmed with multiple sources that Owens will not be on the show.
>Additionally, we have been told that SmackDown tag champion Daniel Bryan, Sami Zayn, and Aleister Black will also not be taking part in the event. Specific reasons for their absences were not revealed.
Shuri - Wed, 22 May 2019 16:39:23 EST ID:ISVkPzm7 No.6236858 Ignore Report Reply
its nice to see some people in this company with balls
Chiva III - Wed, 22 May 2019 16:40:24 EST ID:bWZ+YR1t No.6236860 Ignore Report Reply
Based spoopy occult man.
Zardoz - Wed, 22 May 2019 16:56:49 EST ID:rxIFjo4g No.6236868 Ignore Report Reply
He's too moody for Saudi Arabia
Tommaso Ciampa - Wed, 22 May 2019 17:13:25 EST ID:RHbsK6aP No.6236874 Ignore Report Reply
Could Aleister not being there be due to his satanist stuff?
Charly Malice - Wed, 22 May 2019 17:25:45 EST ID:kCVS6iB5 No.6236883 Ignore Report Reply
Doubt it. FOX executives are into that Baphomet worship stuff. Black is a talent they probably want around.
Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 22 May 2019 17:38:12 EST ID:It2BUKqt No.6236894 Ignore Report Reply
They were talking about the Saudi show, not the move to Fox. And besides, Fox executives now worship The Mouse.
Dr. Cube - Wed, 22 May 2019 17:48:28 EST ID:4ssMLG8X No.6236899 Ignore Report Reply
I don't think DIsney got the network.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Wed, 22 May 2019 17:54:14 EST ID:UveV14Hw No.6236903 Report Reply
They didn't since they already own ABC. That wasn't part of the buyout.

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