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John Bradshaw Layfield - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:09:25 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6246548
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> With less than a day to go before WWE’s Super Showdown in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, there is a story which for long-term news and propaganda purposes makes the first and probably last Undertaker vs. Bill Goldberg mach seem like nothing. Last year, WWE embarked on the ten-year deal with Saudi Arabia, which. At the time, was, with the exception of U.S. television deals over the last half dozen years, it was the biggest money deal the company had ever signed for anything. The WWE announced one show a year, which became two both of which generate more money each for the company than the biggest WrestleMania in history.

> Of course in doing so, there were ugly truths and got uglier. WWE has tried to promote women as equal to men and as legitimate in-ring competitors after generations of them being either a side show, or a T&A product masquerading as wrestling. WWE has tried to get rid of the ugly stereotypes that the industry had until the recent generation, from savage Islanders to German Nazis to bald-headed Russians, salt throwing Japanese and other foreigner who are there to put down Americans. And don’t get us started with Mexican landscapers and the wonderful track record with pretty much any ethnicity that be exploited by ugly stereotypes.

> The company clung to Martin Luther King. Made the broadcast desk this weird affirmative action platform with a steady stream of bad commentators put there because of gender or race as opposed to ability. But with so much money in their face, they, without even debating, threw it away. Well, actually, they didn’t. The goal was to have their cake and eat it to. They still build one Raw a year around Martin Luther King Jr., spout on about being at the forefront of a women’s cultural evolution that they’re actually more than 50 years behind tennis, basketball, skating and pretty much every sport on.

> While at the same time, they made this deal. Worse, last year, the same government they made the deal with lured in a reporter for the Washington Post in a planned out murder. Now, the reporter wouldn’t come to their country after they kept trying to entice him. But they got him to their embassy in Turkey, and then not just killed him, but dismembered him first. This was, of course, inconvenient timing for WWE. It wasn’t fair. Why should we suffer on a deal we already made just because it was a deal with murderers who culture goes against pretty much everything we cling to in our home market propaganda. Granted, the second show was no longer the paid for propaganda piece of the first. Things are a little more calm now.

> No senators are telling them they shouldn’t go. The murder was months ago. While some companies pulled out of doing business with them, most didn’t. Although its laughable the idea that Starbucks opening stores in a country is compared with a deal by the guy who from all evidence plotted and then attempted to cover up the murder. Did Starbucks, in exchange, have Saudi Arabian propaganda all over their U.S. stores and having signs everywhere telling people how progressive the new leadership in Saudi Arabia is? Sometime in the ten-year deal, WWE was going to get another bragging point. At some point in the next ten years, women would be allowed to wrestle on a show. WWE has already promoted hard having this breakthrough in Abu Dhabi as being of some cultural significance, touting a very light chant of “this is hope” as a key line for years in company speeches. Keep in mind that TNA had a women’s match years earlier, so it wasn’t a breakthrough at all. And it’s hardly a culture change.

> But, for real, there will be a time, and it may even be on 6/7, that WWE does host the first women’s pro wrestling match in Saudi Arabia. Natalya and Alexa Bliss are in Saudi Arabia as of this writing. WWE will take credit for changing culture. Of course, that’s silly. There are women competing in sports at schools (only in private schools, so rich has its privilege but two years ago women in public schools were allowed to at least take P.E. classes). Until last year, women were prohibited from attending any events in most stadiums. Last year that changed, although they are allowed at shows like this, although it is segregated seating. Somehow I don’t think the female Sputnik Monroe is coming from WWE to modernize this and change society, but we shall see. Women’s basketball competition dates back to 2003.

> By the way, it was outside forces that have led to changes for women in Saudi Arabia. It wasn’t WWE, it was the IOC. You know how they did it? Before the 2012 Olympics, they told Saudi Arabia that if you don’t have a women’s team, your men’s team is banned from competing. Suddenly, there were women, at least in certain social circles, allowed to compete in sports, private school were allowed sports teams and they’ve sent women to the last two Olympics. Going there, taking the money, and waiting as is going on at this writing for the government to decide what it’s going to do hardly qualifies. Still, will WWE at some pont, maybe next week, talk about its influence more than you ever heard watching the last two Olympics? Yes.
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:11:39 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6246550 Ignore Report Reply
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> So here’s the situation. At one point, evidently the government told WWE that they would allow them to have a women’s bout on the 6/7 show in Jeddah, which is a more progressive city than Riyadh, likely the home of the November show. That may explain why there is no All-women’s PPV show on the 2019 schedule after how successful, at least aesthetically, the first show was.

> But it’s gone back-and-forth. WWE never spoke a word about it, because it would be an embarrassment if they promoted it and then got the thumbs down when they arrived. But now, it’s still going to be tough. The news is out that Natalya and Bliss are in Saudi Arabia with the idea of doing a match. There is no confirmation such a match will or won’t take place. The company has hinted about it in case it doesn’t. But if it doesn’t, the company does look bad because at that point they would have been strung along, and then told no. For that reason, if Saudi Arabia looks at the big picture and doesn’t want to embarrass WWE, they need to allow it. They care enough about not embarrassing WWE that they allowed them to do the second show without spouting the propaganda that the relationship was built on in the first place.

> Even now, WWE has promoted the show, constantly talking about how it is as big or bigger than WrestleMania, using the city “Jeddah,” but banning the term Saudi Arabia from its own television. Of course that term isn’t banned with all the localized promos the wrestlers have done for that market.

> Really, there’s no reason women shouldn’t be allowed on the show. The IOC forced them to allow women to compete in sports. The Russian circus came to town and for whatever reason, they were allowed to have their women perform in tight outfits. Of course, that led to a conservative backlash and the people who okayed that ended up it hot water over it. Mariah Carey performed there on 1/31, and was heavily criticized for doing so, more covered up than se would be at a U.S. concert, but still flashingly dressed. Actually most of the criticism of her came from Saudi Arabian women, who felt a star of her stature shouldn’t endorse and do the bidding of a government that treats women the way they do. Unlike Carey, WWE is way below the line that people in the U.S., or Saudi Arabia, would care. And it was believed the government brought in Carey specifically to rebuild its image after the Khashoggi murder.

> It will be a ten or 11 match show, with Natalya vs. Bliss as the question mark. While the show is listed for a 2 p.m. Eastern start, the first match, the Usos vs. The Revival, will likely go into the ring about 30 minutes earlier, during the pre-show, so it’s likely a four-and-a-half hour show.

> The nine-match main card remains Undertaker vs. Bill Goldberg, Seth Rollins vs. Baron Corbin for the Universal title, Kofi Kingston vs. Dolph Ziggler for the WWE title, HHH vs. Randy Orton, a 50-man Battle Royal, Braun Strowman vs. Bobby Lashley, Demon Finn Balor vs. Andrade for the IC title, and Lars Sullivan vs. The Lucha House Party in a one vs. three match.

> Brock Lesnar is in Saudi Arabia with Paul Heyman at this writing. The promise is he will cash in his briefcase on the show. The original idea was Rollins vs. Lesnar. Lesnar “badly injured” Rollins on television, so the idea is Rollins goes in hurt. Does that mean Corbin beats Rollins and then Lesnar cashes in on Corbin. Therefore, Lesnar still has never beaten Rollins leading to an obvious SummerSlam match. Or does Rollins beat Corbin, but by this point with the injuries and beating in the match, he’s a sitting duck for Lesnar to then beat? Does it mean Lesnar cashes it in on Kingston and becomes a regular on the FOX brand? Is it just another swerve?

> An interesting note is that they announced an 8/31 NXT U.K. Takeover show in Cardiff, Wales. What makes that day interesting is it’s the same day as New Japan’s Royal Quest show at the Copper Box in London and the same day, but several hours earlier, from AEW’s second PPV show from the Sears Center in Chicago.

> Announcing a head-to-head show with New Japan is one thing. Each show will air live on WWE Network and New Japan World respectively. The WWE show will have an 8 p.m. local start time, which is 3 p.m. Eastern. The New Japan show will start at 5:30 p.m. local time, which is 12:30 p.m Eastern. So there will be some overlap. The AEW show is probably starting at 7 p.m. Eastern and 6 p.m. Central time, so if somebody wants to, they could watch most of all three shows by switching streaming services as the day goes on.

> There is a story going around, and we know people in both the U.K. and Japanese business who believe it is true, although WWE obviously would never confirm it, that WWE checked with a main ticket outlet in London which told them only 2,000 tickets were sold for the New Japan show, so they figured if they went head-to-head (London and Cardiff are a two to three hour train ride apart depending on the time of day) New Japan wouldn’t do well and it would make New Japan look bad for its debut show to be outdrawn by a WWE non-main roster show.

> Of course the problem is the ticket outlet they checked with wasn’t the only outlet and actually there are about 6,000 tickets sold for the show and it’s expected to sell out. So that leaves WWE with the No. 3 show in the market, since AEW will market the Chicago show hard because of it being on ITV box office and while I don’t know this to be true, based on the first show, one would expect both the first hour and perhaps a preview one hour special as well to air live and a day or two ahead of time on ITV 4.
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Daniel Bryan - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:13:08 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6246551 Ignore Report Reply
not hating on Meltyman but considering the lack of fucks given about WCW working with DP "three generations of your family with you in the death camp if you get uppity" RK there's little reason to suspect this will have half the legs that Dave wants it to
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:14:13 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6246552 Ignore Report Reply
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> We have a lot more information regarding the television PPV business in the U.S. as it regards WWE, AEW and Impact. Basically we have a bunch of figures from a number of different markets that represent a solid percentage of national buys through one of the bigger cable systems. These numbers I’m giving are estimates, but there are more than enough solid numbers (we have actual figures from millions of homes) that we can extrapolate numbers from. These numbers would be in the range of accurate and what I’d consider excellent estimates, but they are still estimates.

> At this point, Double or Nothing is estimated at somewhere between 98,500 and 113,000 buys worldwide. The best estimate has U.S. PPV buys at around 71,000, with almost an exact 50/50 split between television and B/R Live. That’s notable because nobody does a 50/50 split. The biggest split I’ve heard of for a television PPV and streaming was Conor McGregor vs. Khabib Nurmagomedov, which was an 80/20 split in favor of television. Usually it’s closer to 85/15. What’s also notable is that in the U.K., the split was closer to 75/25 in favor of television, but in the U.K. the heavy marketing was on ITV 4 for ITV Box Office and there wasn’t really much of a push for streaming PPV, but still a solid percentage did get it streaming.

> WWE Money in the Bank did about 15,700 PPV buys. It looks like,. because most WWE fans get PPV on the network rather than television because of the lower price, it’s probably around 11 percent of the number of who would have bought the PPV at regular prices, are still buying these shows on PPV. Because of the price difference, on the surface that’s shocking, but there are factors that explain this and those also point to why the UFC numbers dropped so significantly when they took television out of their PPV equation even though the price stayed the same. When WWE shut down listing its PPV numbers, a show like Money in the Bank would have done 20,000 to 30,000 in the U.S., so there has been a decline during the same period WWE Network numbers really haven’t meaningfully increased in the U.S.

> Of those 15,700 buyers, these likely fall into two categories. Category one is people who don’t have good streaming Internet based on where they live, and it’s the only way they can get the show and have a less than frustrating experience. Category two are people who are really well off financially and have no qualms paying $65 to get the PPV that they could get for $9.99, or groups of people watching together who would rather chip in for the higher price with the idea television is more reliable than streaming and if you’re having a big party of friends, you may not want to risk streaming.

> WWE Network streaming has been very good as of late. We haven’t had a problem with the WWE Network on the big shows in a long time and don’t even think twice about it. But that wasn’t always the case and people burned originally who don’t care about cost are still buying traditional PPV. Of those 15,700, roughly 397 (give or take very few in either direction) purchased Double or Nothing. The 397 number may be off by a few because we’re using a small sample (although still a same representing millions of homes with a real number and not an estimate). That’s only 2.5 percent. That percentage itself, based on the read numbers, would be right now because the sample size is more than high enough. That number is shockingly low. Now, granted, if you include people who watched on WWE Network, far more than 397 people in the U.S. (these numbers would be based on U.S. and Canada totals although the actual totals extrapolated on are from U.S. systems including complete numbers in a number of major markets).

> Throwing in the idea of who would have bought PPV if the network didn’t exist in the U.S. as being nine times this number, and the number watching on the network is 20 times this number (because of the lower price, that’s about where the shows have fallen), if that percentage stays the same, and it should with the nine times and it actually should be lower with the 20 times because of the price, you’d have ten percent of the people who bought DON, you’re at 10 percent of the DON audience probably would have bought MITB at PPV prices and 22 percent would have watched it total between PPV and WWE Network. The 10 percent figure is likely close to spot on, the 22 percent figure is probably actually high because to get at that you’re assume that the same percentage of people willing to spend $9.99 would spent $50-60 for DON as the percentage willing to spend $65, and obviously that is not the case. But without extensive surveys, there is no way of knowing.

> But the point is, that 78 percent minimum, and probably well above that, of those in the U.S. that purchased DON would not have even watched MITB. As noted, because of income, and the willingness to spend money, if anything, that 2.5 percent should be higher among the people who pay $65 for WWE PPV shows, as a $50 or $60 price tag for them is normal. Those who have seen this data this past week have been amazed, to say the least. The belief is that both groups were drawing from the same pro wrestling fan base. While there may be a bigger crossover for television and overall interest, it’s very clear that when it comes to actual buyers, the WWE audience and AEW audience have shockingly little crossover. Again, it’s way more than 397 homes because of the network, is at most 8,000 and probably significantly less.

> Another note is that WrestleMania in North America was down to about 64,100 buys on television PPV this year. Even a few years ago it was doing more than 100,000, and again, that’s with very little network growth. In fact, network numbers for Mania this year were below those of Mania in 2018.

> Of those 64,100 buyers, roughly 910 also purchased Double or Nothing, or only 1.4 percent. 64,100 probably represents somewhere around 11 percent of people who would have bought the show on PPV in North America. North American numbers for Mania have ranged over the modern years from a low of about 495,000 to a high of around 825,000 for the Nick Gage Mania show, with 600,000 a usual expected number.

> If we go with the idea there were 1.25 million people in the U.S. market that watched Mania between network and regular PPV and that 1.4 percent is the DON crossover (as noted the real number would be lower than 1.4 percent, but we don’t know how much), that represents 17,500 people that have WWE Network and cable who saw Mania and ordered WWE DON, or 49 percent of the DON audience.

> So we can basically say for a strong but not big four show, of the DON audience, 22 percent at most, and again, probably well under, watched MITB and 49 percent at most watched Mania. So the vast majority, with the exception of Mania as the outlier, of the DON audience is not watching WWE PPV shows even at the $9.99 network price.
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:16:34 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6246555 Ignore Report Reply
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> There was also the idea that Women’s Revolution last November, because it was such a hit with the so-called Internet audience, but had less interest with the general public, might have the most crossover. Evolution did about 14,100 buys, and of those, roughly 303 also bought Double or Nothing, or 2.14 percent.

> For AEW, with no low cost alternative, their numbers should be compared with what they’ve proven so television PPV represents about 50 percent of what they would draw. But that’s also with an audience built on the Internet and with no television.

> It will be very interesting to see if, like the U.K., where television was the primary driver, if, when they get television, that television number increases. If it’s the same 75 percent, than even just promotion on television and a pre-game show, and not weekly television, in theory, looks to triple the television PPV side. Weekly television changes the game completely. The only television value example I can give is so dated that it’s probably not valid right now. But Randy Couture vs. stallion Liddell for UFC did 48,000 buys in 2003 with no television, and then a rematch in 2005, after three months of television, did 280,000 buys.

> I don’t expect three months of television to lead to a sixfold increase in PPV. I’m not even sure if it triples television and Internet stays the same, and with gains from weekly TV in other markets, would lead to 200,000 plus for the first show once they have television. That said, the first numbers are far more encouraging since most saw 50,000 to 65,000 as the range of expectations with 80,000 as a home run.

> Impact Homecoming did about 3,300 buys. Of those, about 493 purchased Double or Nothing, or 14.9 percent. So there absolutely is crossover between AEW and Impact PPV audiences. The total numbers would be below WWE total (although the idea that far more of 3,300 Impact PPV buyers bought DON than of the 14,100 WWE buys for Evolution is a very notable point). Impact Rebellion did about 2,200 buys, and of those about 663 bought Double or Nothing. That’s 30.1 percent. If anything, that is shockingly high. While we don’t have national numbers for either Bound for Glory 2018 or Slammiversary 2018, 20 percent of those in the markets we have data on that bought Bound for Glory also bought DON, and 19 percent of those who bought Slammiversary also bought DON.

> The key point is twofold. The first is that WWE has a unique audience and only a minuscule percentage of that audiences is willing to buy another show sight unseen.

> AEW’s paying television PPV audience is about 20 percent comprised of people who will watch a WWE PPV on the network or regular PPV, and close to half of who will watch Mania. But the majority of its audience is either lapsed fans who aren’t watching WWE anymore (sans one show per year) or a new audience they’ve created through unique means. However, the audience that is willing to buy a pro wrestling PPV from a new group that is not watching WWE is far higher than anyone anticipated. And that’s with no television. And the actual percentage of the WWE Network and PPV audience that purchased DON, even though DON was a huge success all things considered, is very low.

> The idea that pro wrestling has an inordinate amount of lapsed fans is something long suspected by empirical observations. But aside from one study that showed pro wrestling fans as the only sports fan that had more people who claim to be fans that no longer watch it than do (this was done in Canada years ago and it’s probably even stronger now). But the idea that’s an audience that can come back was a question. Marketing of products based on how big an audience was 20 years ago but isn’t now is right up there with the “If we can’ only get 20 percent of their audience” marketing that has led to creations of MMA national companies, secondary pro wrestling leagues, and sports streaming providers that have lost ridiculous amounts of money.

> This indicates that audience is either still there, or, whether it’s AXS TV, Young Bucks and Cody meet and greets, New Japan World international subscribers or a combination, it’s that audience as far as willingness to buy a PPV show and travel to shows is far bigger than anticipated.

> There were close to 60,000 subscribers to New Japan World for the most recent Tokyo Dome show at about $9, to see every key draw on Double or Nothing, Jericho, Omega, Young Bucks and Cody, all in big matches, plus Kazuchika Okada, Hiroshi Tanahashi, Minoru Suzuki, Will Ospreay, Zack Sabre Jr., and Kota Ibushi. Yet, a far greater number, close to double, was willing to spend up to $50 to $60 in the U.S. (less outside the U.S.) to see fewer of those same people in matches not nearly as strong, even if better promoted through social media.

> We’ll hopefully get more data for next week.

> One thing we’ve also noted is that the cities that did the best per capita for television for Double or Nothing did not do the best for streaming. As far as streaming went, DON did its best numbers in markets you would expect, where wrestling in the 80s was strongest, notably New York, Chicago, Baltimore, Atlanta, and DC, and absolutely killed it in upstate New York. I’m not sure what to read out of this but when one of Tony Khan’s ideas is that they would capture the lapsed fan, who left wrestling years ago for whatever reason but still has a fondness for it but what they want isn’t being delivered, I suppose that’s a good sign.
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Evan Bourne - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:19:52 EST ID:ezz88rJR No.6246557 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246555
>it was outside forces that have led to changes for women in Saudi Arabia. It wasn’t WWE, it was the IOC. You know how they did it? Before the 2012 Olympics, they told Saudi Arabia that if you don’t have a women’s team, your men’s team is banned from competing. Suddenly, there were women, at least in certain social circles, allowed to compete in sports


I hope this shuts up some of the people who are trying to defend it by saying the WWE actually has to go there to enact change. The IOC caused change by refusing to work them.
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:20:31 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6246558 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246548
> CMLL announced recently an interesting change of philosophy. The company does what would be insane anywhere else, running three shows per week at Arena Mexico, which would be equivalent to if WWE would run three times weekly in Madison Square Garden or New Japan would run three time weekly,52 weeks a year, at Budokan Hall. Basically, the idea would be insane. But unlike the other companies, CMLL built its main arena, back in 1956, because the other arena it owned in Mexico City was too small based on ticket demand. Over the years, the every Friday, Sunday and Tuesday formula has been used. In good times, Fridays draw big crowds, Sunday draws okay with family crowds and does well on holidays and Tuesday is just there. The company has also done a few major shows per year. The anniversary show in September, the oldest tradition in pro wrestling since the first anniversary show was in 1934, is the biggest. The second biggest, El Homenaje a Dos Leyendas, held every March, has been a fixture on the calendar since 2001. They also have multiple three week tournaments which vary by the year.

> But with the announcement of the 5/31 Juicio Final show, they’ve changed that philosophy. They said that they will run one major show each month. The question if this change is a good thing. They’ve been doing 6,000 to 9,000 fans most weeks, sometimes bigger for a special card. And unlike WWE, New Japan and other promotions, pro wrestling, or Lucha Libre, is part of the culture and a large percentage of the fans on Friday nights are tourists. In many ways, if you watch every Friday and at times get a sameness feel, that’s because there is a sameness. But a large percentage of the usually hot crowds are people going out to have a good time, see high flying action, cheer the tecnicos, boo the rudos (you can tell the weeks they fill up with actual hardcore fans, because those are the show when they draw the biggest crowds and where the top tecnicos get booed), and mostly drink, laugh and have a good time. Many who have been all over the world say nothing anywhere is quite like the atmosphere on Friday nights at Arena Mexico. It is the closest thing to pro wrestling in the 70s and 80s as far as fans and atmosphere and heat, while at the same time showcasing the moves that are years ahead of the curve when it comes to mainstream American wrestling.

> CMLL had a big boom last year using L.A. Park, Rey Fenix and Penta 0M, drawing the best consistent crowds in years. But using Park ran its course because they couldn’t do a big feud with him since that would require either him winning a stipulation match from one of their biggest stars, which, even as much as he can draw, they weren’t okay with, or him losing his mask, which he wasn’t okay with. Fenix and Penta grew up selling masks in front of Arena Mexico, so appearing there was a childhood dream. But at some point, and this is a lesson for the U.S. market as well, achieving a dream is cool but once you’ve appeared there, to stay there when you’re not under contract and can make more money elsewhere, isn’t going to last. So the question becomes does the big show pushed ahead of time become the deal where the regulars learn to skip the other weeks, but only turn out for the big one. It’ll be an interesting thing to follow.

> Princesa Sugehit suffered a concussion on the 6/1 show at Arena Coliseo and was taken out on a stretcher. She was held in the hospital for observation for three days so it was very serious

> AAA: The 5/24 TV show did a 2.4 rating and 4.9 share with a total reach of 4.4 million viewers (about 1,201,000 viewers based on how U.S. would report it). The show constantly drew with the opening match doing a 1.6, the second match peaking at 1.9, and the Mercenarios vs. La Parka & Laredo Kid main event peaking at 3.3. The audience was 53 percent male with 35 percent under the age of 18, 11 percent 19-29, 26 percent 30-44, 10 percent 45-54 and 18 percent over 55. So the median viewer was 30.5 years old, so their viewers are much younger than that of American wrestling. The show did a 1.4 rating in the Distrito Federal, 0.7 in Guadalajara and 0.7 in Monterrey. CMLL on 5/25 did a 0.8 rating for its 90 minute show with a total reach of 1.6 million viewers (320,000 based on how U.S. would report it). AAA on A+ on 5/26 did a 0.5 rating and 1.0 million total reach (178,000 viewers how the U.S. would report it).

> DRAGON GATE: In a move that is huge, Ultimo Dragon, who helped train many of the wrestlers here and really this promotion historically started under Dragon as Toryumon, will return on the 7/21 show, the company’s biggest show of the year at Kobe World Memorial Hall. Dragon hasn’t been with this group since the big falling out in 2004

> The 6/29 show in Melbourne, Australia will be broadcast live as a worldwide iPPV on Fite TV rather than on New Japan World. “Expanding into a new market brings with it new challenges; while we did not have the infrastructure in place in Australia for the quality of stream World viewers deserve, FITE have stepped up and offered their world class production and distribution expertise for the event,”NJPW’s General Manager of the International Department Michael Craven told Foxsports.com.au. “We realize how important it is that NJPW World has complete coverage of every single major event we put out, but also want to accommodate those fans that want to watch live, and that's what drove us to go with FITE for the timed exclusivity deal.”

> While it’s a year away, this has been talked about for a long time, but the decision regarding the 2020 G-1 is a big one. Almost all the major arenas in Japan will be booked for the 2020 Olympics. So either they will have to move G-1 up earlier, or later, or do a G-1 outside of Japan. If their U.S. business was stronger I could see a U.S., U.K. and Australia G-1, maybe finishing in Japan after the Olympics, but this Dallas show has not been a success thus far even with the G-1 label. The loss of Kenny Omega has really hurt outside of Japan.
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:22:55 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6246560 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246548
> The New York Post ran a major story on Ashley Massaro (they actually have run a number of stories on her since her death) noting that on 5/15 she was texting Rochelle Loewen, who worked with her in WWE before later playing several seasons in the Lingerie Football League. She noted that she had an autograph gig in Alberta, and Loewen lives in Edmonton so brought up getting together. Loewen brought up that she had a trip to Las Vegas at the Hard Rock the next day and asked Massaro if she’d come along. The Hard Rock is notable because Paul Heyman handles a lot of publicity for the hotel and Massaro has been one of the models he’s used in his ad campaigns, like former WWE star Danielle Moinet (Summer Rae) who he’s also used. Massaro noted that she was going to Las Vegas a week later (Massaro was booked for Starrcast) and Loewen told her to come to Vegas a week earlier and to stay with her and some of her girlfriends at the Hard Rock. Massaro texted her, “That sounds great” at 5:30 p.m. Wednesday, and Massaro hung herself that night. Loewen had texted her when she arrived in Las Vegas the next morning asking if she was coming and never heard back. Then she started getting texts about Massaro’s death.

> The Post reported that many had speculated on, that Massaro was found hanging by her 18-year-old daughter Alexis. Loewen said Massaro had talked with her about depression but she never thought Massaro would kill herself. The story also quoted Cara Pipia, said to be Massaro’s best friend since childhood, who said that when they were 15 or 16 they had lost one of their best friends to suicide and then over the past year they had lost another friend to it and Massaro supported suicide awareness hotlines. Massaro went so far as to talk about suicide prevention and suicide awareness on her weekly radio show. The Go Fund Me campaign for Alexis’ for her education has topped $45,000 over the weekend. The Post story also brought up Massaro’s claim of being drugged and raped in Kuwait in 2007 while on a tour with Jimmy Hart, Maria Kanellis and Ron Simmons on a U.S. military base and claimed the company told her not say anything on the subject. WWE denied the story saying that meeting she talked about was made up and her claim that Hart and Simmons knew about this when they were there was not the case and both Hart and Simmons had no clue.

> Kanellis, who was one of her best friends, only used the term that she couldn’t remember the story. She was obviously in a very tough position because she either had to call one of her best friends a liar right after her death. That would be tough given the sympathy she and so many in the business had for Massaro’s daughter and what she was going through. But on the flip side, it’s a very damaging story to the industry that would make her life hell if she claimed she knew and get her into a fight that doesn’t benefit her and will hurt the company. Massaro in her affidavit said she had told Kanellis and that the others on the tour also knew and also listed some WWE officials including McMahon who she claimed knew. All denied it but Kanellis, and Kanellis avoided the subject except to some close friends and they were skeptical of Massaro’s story. Pipia claimed that she 100 percent believed the story. Pipia noted that Massaro constantly struggled with performance anxiety. She said she was surprised Massaro never passed out on stage due to nerves. Loewen said that Massaro suffered short-term memory loss from concussions. “She had swollen knuckles from being broken. Sometimes, I would ask her questions, and she would use wrestling terms and say, `Girl, I’ve taken too many bumps. I can’t even remember what I had for breakfast. She was suffering from short-term memory loss from concussions.”

> One promoter at a convention said that Reggie Jackson wanted to meet her. The same promoter said that Massaro asked him to give her phone number to Johnny Damon of the Yankees which he did, saying that she thought if Torrie Wilson could date A-Rod, she could date a Yankee star as well. The story said that last year she was dating Max Iantomo, a guitarist in a Brooklyn band, but the relationship has ended. Pipia said that her radio DJ job at 94.3 the Shark in Long Island was a dream job for her. On the air, she mostly talked about motherhood and her daughter. Pipia said she couldn’t understand why Massaro was training to go back to wrestling after all her injuries. “I don’t know. That’s one thing I can’t answer.

> Since this involves one of the most famous angles in pro wrestling history, David Letterman gave some interesting history regarding the 1982 episode of his show with Jerry Lawler and Andy Kaufman as guests. The two were doing an angle in Memphis that got national attention since Kaufman was a major television star who was mocking Lawler and Memphis and Lawler gave him a jumping piledriver. Kaufman pretended he was badly injured, was hospitalized and went everywhere in a neck brace to put the angle over. Then they ended up on Letterman to supposedly make amends, but it ended with Lawler slapping Kaufman, Kaufman throwing water or coffee on Lawler and Kaufman doing an expletive laden promo on live television (it was bleeped out). Many lists of the biggest moments in U.S. television history have listed that episode of the Letterman show. Letterman was on “My Next Guest” and asked about the episode and said that Kaufman did let him know before they started filming what was going to happen. Letterman did open his show the next night and basically said it was something Lawler and Kaufman had planned, but even after saying that a lot of people believed it was real

> Pro Wrestling Revolution owner Gabriel Ramirez announced that starting with its 6/22 show, they will hire two EMTs for every event. Ramirez, who said he was close with Silver King and went to Mexico recently, said even with the added cost that he realized that if something happened to a wrestler, or a fan, at his show, he could never say he did at least what he should have been able to do to avoid a tragedy. He noted that in commission states, this is mandated, but so many states are no longer regulated and Silver King’s death came in a place where the show wasn’t regulated and it took so long before he got medical attention. He’s hoping that in California in particular, because it’s not regulated, that promoters all do the same, comparing it to auto insurance, with the idea that nobody likes having to pay for insurance, but if you want to drive a car, you really have to have it

> Joey Ryan announced at his Bar Wrestling show on 5/30 that he was staying independent. It’s kind of a funny story. We noted that he was approached by WWE but said that if he was 29 he’d probably take the offer, but at 39 it didn’t make sense. People just assumed that if WWE was interested he would go even though he outright said he wouldn’t, which led to the idea he has to be going, even though he never was. He played with it and played off it with a T-shirt teasing he was leaving. The story we heard was that the T-shirt was meant as a spoof on people who thought he was going to WWE, but because of the T-shirt, people expected he was going so he played it up. Everyone assumed he was headed to AEW, given he’s all over BTE and was a major part of the build for All In, and he never did that singles match with Adam Page. On BTE they’ve been playing up the idea that he’s looking for that blonde girl (Candice LeRae) and he made a comment that by staying on the indie scene , maybe that’s the blonde girl he’s been looking for. In the end, he gave his speech and said he might always be a big fish in a small pond, but it’s his pond
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Crowbar - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:23:06 EST ID:q+CXX7jY No.6246561 Ignore Report Reply
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Pretty cool that the lowest-rated match on Takeover still got slightly less than 4 stars.

Gargano is overrated though.
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:25:37 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6246562 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246548
> Personalty Media did its annual survey in Mexico with 20,000 demographically selected people and 1,300 athletes to determine a combination of the most well known and most highly regarded pro athletes in the country. This sounds like something valuable to advertisers in selecting a pitchman. El Hijo del Santo was known by 98 percent of the males in the country (as crazy as this sounds, even somebody like The Rock and Hulk Hogan in the U.S. usually score around 90 in these type of surveys and Ronda Rousey and Serena Williams were 60 to 70, Oscar De La Hoya under 40 at the time of the Mayweather fight. He was rated overall 8th in terms of popularity and being highly regarded in the country by men, but he was not in the top ten among women

> Vampiro, who was at Starrcast (he lives in Las Vegas), has said that he’s looking to get back into shape and taking indie bookings later this summer. Didn’t he just say he had Alzheimer’s a few weeks ago?

> Jessie Godderz has gotten a role as Summertime Santa on the CBS show The Talk. He started on 5/31 and will appear on the next four Fridays. The show airs at 2 pm. daily. He played Summertime Santa on the show for at least one episode last year

> Zachary Madsen, the MMA fighter who attacked Bret Hart at the WWE Hall of Fame ceremony has his next hearing moved to 7/9

> They ended up in Dallas faster than expected after making the deal with Ross & Marshall Von Erich. Bauer had said he was targeting early 2020 to go into Dallas, but announced a 9/7 show at the NYTEX Sports Centre featuring a War Chamber match. MLW sold the name War Games, which they had trademarked for use, to WWE. War Chamber is said to be a modernized version of War Games with a new twist. Tickets go on sale on 6/10. It’s notable they put the tickets on sale before the week (7/2 to 7/7) where WWE runs Raw, New Japan runs day one of G-1 and Impact runs a PPV in the market all over six days. The show will be a TV taping and they are pushing a $10 G.A. price. The show is actually in North Richland Hills, TX, about 27 miles from the American Airlines Center in Dallas

> Velvet Sky in an interview Interactive Wrestling Media said that she will not be wrestling on this run, just appearing as a performer on television. “No. Definitely not,” she said about wrestling. “My decision to stay retired still stands. Like I’ve said, I’ve put my body through a lot in my 17 years of wrestling. There comes a point in every professional wrestlers’ career and their life where you look at the future more and you’re like, `Okay, enough is enough!.’ I don’t want to be decrepit and crippled for the rest of my life. I want to be healthy and keep my body healthy. Still, to this day, I’m still rehabilitating my body, my spine. I still feel residual effects from my time in the ring. My focus is to be the mouthpiece, the manager, of The Allure and directing traffic as Mandy and Angelina are the asskickers of the group.

> There was a twitter exchange between Kevin Matthews and Impact Executive Vice President Scott D’Amore this past weekend which was telling. Matthews, known as KM, started it by saying “Piggybacking independent companies and drawing 500 people or less for a national TV company is worthy of bragging? Signing people to $300 exclusive contracts making $5,000 a year is okay? Keep telling yourself that Scott.” D’Amore responded, “We paid double your normal wrestling rate, kid. We can’t help it that it took you this long to figure people would pay more to not see you wrestle.” KM then wrote back, “Judging by attendance and viewership, it doesn’t seem like people pay to see anything Impact puts on. I enjoy this game, let’s keep playing.” D’Amore wrote back, “Funny, our viewership in many parts of the world has been consistently high. Our Twitch stuff has consistently on the top ten, our attendance continues to grow and you continue t love to talk about us.” KM then wrote, “I would continue to tweet but I wouldn’t want to be interrupted by 30 minute commercial for fish hooks. There’s a difference between spelling the truth and being salty. All the best to you.” KM did end up deleting his posts

> Eli Drake, who hasn’t been used since he refused to work a PPV match with Tessa Blanchard and noting that he greatly respected Blanchard but didn’t want to do a singles match with a woman, is now a free agent. He wrote, “After four years with Impact Wrestling, some ups, some downs, I would like t thank them for the overall great experience. Through those years, I had the fortune of carrying three different title belts, having my own talk show (Fact of Life) and was always given the trust to craft my own promos, virtually from day one. I appreciate the chance that was taken on me and the trust I was given, as well as the friends and experiences I gained along the way. I wish Impact Wrestling nothing but continued success and growth going forward.

> Kongo Kong is done with Impact

> Neither the 6/29 Fyter Fest in Daytona Beach nor the 7/16 Fight for the Fallen in Jacksonville will be PPV shows. Both will air on B/R Live in some form, whether as a low price iPPV or as part of a streaming deal. The next traditional PPV will be All Out on 8/31 in Chicago. Outside the U.S., no deal has been made official for the two shows but they are talking to the usual people and I would expect it will be on a service that would cover the rest of the world in some form

> Regarding Chris Jericho not showing up for Starrcast, Conrad Thompson, who produced last weekend's Starrcast convention, indicated that he didn't know Chris Jericho wouldn't be appearing at the event until May 24th, two days before his "Talk Is Jericho" appearance was scheduled to take place. Thompson noted he got a text message from Jericho on Friday afternoon before his announced Sunday afternoon appearance that stated that he couldn't come due to family plans. Jericho had previously said that he had given the word one month ago that he wasn't doing the show due to finding out his segment would be airing on iPPV through FITE TV. Jericho said they agreed he would show up before the crowd with an in-character rant on the fans where he would say he wasn't doing a Talk is Jericho show because he didn't get a thank you at Double or Nothing. But, he said he found out he had family plans for Sunday that he couldn't change and sent in a video instead, saying basically the same thing as he would have said had he appeared live.

> "It's not Conrad's fault I didn't make an appearance," Jericho said. "That's all on me. But, the live Talk is Jericho was never happening." Thompson said Jericho wanted to do an angle at the appearance and they would figure it out that weekend what that would entail, but then on Friday, he sent the text and a video instead. "We want back and forth, but in the end, he had no choice," said Thompson. Thompson said Jericho he sent in a video to explain not being there, but the video couldn't air until after Double or Nothing was over since it talked about the result of the match with Kenny Omega in past tense as well as the post-match interview. "I couldn't exactly post that ahead of DON even though I had it hours before," said Thompson. When the Talk is Jericho show was scheduled to start, fans were in attendance and they were told that Jericho wasn't there and a cardboard cutout of Jericho was brought out instead

> PW Insider reported that Brian Cage, the Impact champion, was at one point hoped to be part of the Casino Battle Royale, but that given he was under contract to Impact, that Impact nixed his appearance. Four Chinese wrestlers from OWE may have been scheduled for that match as well. In China it was reported that four of the Chinese wrestlers in the promotion were originally booked on the show but couldn’t get visas because of issues with the Chinese embassy
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Sting - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:26:26 EST ID:6lubTvqQ No.6246563 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246561
oh, this geek is back with that screencap
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:29:35 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6246564 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246548
> Regarding whether AEW will acknowledge Jon Moxley as U.S. champion on its 6/29 show in Daytona Beach hasn’t been decided. The key debate points are this. New Japan has no relations with AEW and does have relations with ROH, a competitor. However, a huge percentage of AEW fans likely subscribe to New Japan World, or if not, an Internet-driven company, they would be aware of Moxley as champion. To deny it and ignore it would be taking a page from WWE and create a needless elephant in the room. AEW is also focused on very few belts, with the idea of keeping the belts important. That’s an argument not to talk about other belts, although they did have an AAA tag title match on their first PPV show, but AAA is also a partner. If it’s my call, I’d say acknowledge it. You don’t want your fans to think you’re just WWE dressed up in different clothes from day one

> Hikaru Shida said that after she finishes her current commitments in Japan she is moving to the U.S. But she’s booked in Japan during the next show and possibly the show after that

> Michael Wardlow, a tall muscular guy who has worked on top for Warrior Wrestling in Chicago is clearly on the radar. On The Road to Fyter Fest, Cody was talking and “Wardlow vignette” was behind him in his office on the chalkboard. These things are always there for a reason. Cody has talked about having interest in him in the past

> In another change, talent being signed to new NXT contracts are getting five-year deals instead of the previous three-year deals for beginners, trying to lock people in to where it’s a long time before they can test the free agent market. It’s one thing for someone like Mysterio to be able to get an 18 month deal because WWE wanted him away from the outside and he realized he had leverage to get what he wanted, and it’s another thing for guys with no experience to try and say they don’t want to commit to five years and only want three. But really that’s the case across the board at least WWE contracts guarantee significant money unlike some other company contracts that are out there where guys are making nothing and locked up in a marketplace where WWE wants to lock up anyone they see as marketable talent

> The Daily Mail in the U.K. reported that the IRS and Georgia Department of Revenue have taken out liens on Ric Flair’s five-bedroom mansion in suburban Atlanta, which he owns with Wendy Barlow, which is listed at being worth $370,000. He was ordered to pay $239,871 in federal taxes and $38,703 in state taxes for earnings for the years 2016 to 2018. Flair has had tax issues dating back to the 70s and 80s and over the years Crockett Promotions helped him out when he was their big meal ticket. In 1990, he was hit with an $82,000 tax bill which he immediately paid. In 2000, he was hit with an $874,000 tax bill. In 2005, the IRS began seizing his WWE earnings. At one time he owed considerable money to Vince McMahon over tax issues

> WWE has changed the terms on its credit line with JP Morgan Chase Bank. They have replaced a previous $100 million line of credit with a $200 million line of credit and extended the line of credit’s maturity date from July 29, 2021 to May 24, 2024. It can now borrow up to $200 million using the prime interest rate plus 0.5 percent and Euro dollar interest rate plus one percent

> WWE was among the leading investors in the recent $47 million investment money raised for FloSports, which streams 25 different sports and once did a pro wrestling channel that was not successful. WWE, Fertitta Capital (an investment company run by former UFC owners Lorenzo and Frank Fertitta), Bertelsmann Digital Media Investments, Causeway Media Partners and DCM Ventures were the main new investors. WWE has invested in FloSports previously. There are silent investments meaning the investors buy a piece of the business but have no say so in it. WWE ended up investing and then finding out that they were going to do a pro wrestling channel, which actually led to the first talks of Progress and other U.K. promotions to be on the WWE Network as WWE did not want them doing a channel. FloSports never got deals with the key companies at the time (ROH, New Japan, PWG, AAA, All Japan and CMLL) that could possibly have made the deal fly, and were left with Evolve as their main partner along with a lot of smaller indies and foreign groups that didn’t bring them anywhere near enough subscribers to make it worthwhile

> Mickie James suffered a torn ACL on the 6/1 house show in Waco, TX against Carmella. They had to stop the match immediately. However, she was doing a lot better after the match and as of the morning of 6/2, she was still scheduled on the show in College Station the next day. But they must have realized the severity of the injury since they have trainers on the road. Usually that injury requires surgery (she has confirmed getting surgery soon) and six months or more off. They ended up making a change and putting Vega in the spot the next day

> At least the company is now working a few weeks ahead of the game as the 6/17 Monday Smackdown show in Palm Springs was canceled 18 days ahead of time.

> Nakamura said in an interview in Singapore that he wants to wrestle at least five more years. He said he needs to wrestle until he’s at least 45, and also said he’d like to work a program with Reigns. “Some people say his wrestling is simple, but I like simple, too.

> WWE is holding an all-women’s tryout which started on 6/5 at its U.K. Performance Center in Enfield. They’ve been trying to add more women to the U.K. brand, which has ten women under contract, the biggest star being Toni Storm, the champion. It was noted by Talksport, which broke the story, that the original tryout was 6/3 to 6/6 but was moved back a few days. Millie McKenzie was offered a deal earlier this year but turned it down as she wanted to continue working in Japan for Meiko Satomura’s Sendai Girls group. The women invited were Rhio (not to be confused with the Japanese woman Riho that worked the AEW show last week). Rhio, 22, works for several Northern U.K. groups. Shax is a six-year -pro who does a burlesque gimmick and is the girlfriend of No Fun Dunne. Kanji comes from the Stixx Wrestling school in Nottingham and was the Defiant champion at the end of last year. Debbie Keitel of OTT in Ireland. Valkyrie, not to be confused with Taya, who is Keitel’s tag partner, was also invited. Candy Floss was invited as were Jamie Hayter, Gisele Shaw and Martina. Heather Schofield was a bikini competitor who was on the 2014 season of TNA’s British Boot Camp 2 as a competitor that Mark Andrews ended up winning. Jayde, Jessica Light and Heather were also listed for the camp

> Peter Rosenberg, who did pre-PPV shows on the panel and did the “Let’s Bring It to the Table” show with JBL and Corey Graves that was best known for being the final straw with Mauro Ranallo and the company, until they made up, is no longer with WWE. Rosenberg said that he had been busy with other projects and missed some WWE PPV shows. He was ready to return at WrestleMania and was told by Michael Cole that he was no longer with the company
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:33:42 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6246565 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246548
> You can all speculate as to why, which is likely FITE TV broadcasting the opposition group outside the U.S., but EVE (U.K. based women’s group) has been told that they can’t put their shows on iPPV and Evolve is off FITE TV because if not they wouldn’t be allowed to get dates on talent under WWE contracts. EVE still uses Kay Lee Ray and Viper. The groups are still allowed to do iPPVs on their own and put their shows on their own streaming services, just not work with FITE, so it’s not the issue of WWE talent being used on iPPVs or streaming for a non-WWE company, the issue is FITE and it just changed, so you have to figure what has just changed

> The TV show “Happy!” on Syfy where Big Show had a recurring role was announced as being canceled by the station

> WWE stock closed on 6/5 at $73.68 per share giving the company a $5.750 billion market value

> The most-watched shows of the past week on WWE Network were: 1. Takeover Bridgeport; 2. HHH Road to WrestleMania; 3. Takeover preshow; 4. WWE 24: Ronda Rousey; 5. Money in the Bank; 6. Target Takeover (a documentary building Adam Cole vs. Johnny Gargano and Shayna Baszler vs. Io Shirai as a takeoff on what boxing and UFC did with Countdown shows); 7. WWE U.K. from 5/29; 8. The Failed Relaunch of WCW; 9. Ride Along with Rusev, Lana, Rose and Deville; 10. NXT from 5/29. Other interesting notes is the WWE Combine special was No. 11. The Bret Hart-Tom Magee special was No. 12; The 5/28 episode of 205 Live was No.13. And the just released match from the 60s with Mad Dog Vachon vs. Amazing Zuma was No. 19

NJPW STAR RATINGS:
> Titan beat Tiger Mask in 8:09. **1/4
> Sho pinned Jonathan Gresham in 10:27. ***1/2
> Dragon Lee beat Marty Scurll in 16:12. ****
> Shingo Takagi beat Taiji Ishimori in 20:51 to win the A block. ****1/4
> Bushi pinned Ren Narita in 9:08. ****1/4
> Bandido pinned Rocky Romero in 11:30. **3/4
> Yoh pinned Robbie Eagles in 11:45. ***1/4
> Phantasmo beat Douki in 13:13. **3/4
> Ospreay pinned Taguchi in 22:18 to win the block. ****1/2
> Dragon Lee & Titan & Shota Umino beat Bandido & Johnathan Gresham & Ren Narita in 8:28. ***1/2
> Taiji Ishimori & El Phantasmo & Robbie Eagles beat Ryusuke Taguchi & Sho & Yoh in 9:09. **1/4
> Tomohiro Ishii & Toru Yano & Yoshi-Hashi & Jushin Liger & Tiger Mask beat Minoru Suzuki & Taichi & Zack Sabre Jr. & Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Douki in 10:34. **3/4
> Tetsuya Naito & Evil & Bushi & Sanada beat Kota Ibushi & Togi Makabe & Tomoaki Honma & Toa Henare in 10:27. ***
> Kazuchika Okada & Rocky Romero beat Brody King & Marty Scurll in 10:35. ***1/4
> Jay White pinned Hiroshi Tanahashi in 19:16. ****
> Jon Moxley pinned Juice Robinson in 24:14 to win the U.S. title. ****1/2
> Will Ospreay beat Shingo Takagi in 33:36 to win the Best of the Super Juniors tournament. *****3/4 FIVE AND THREE QUARTER STAR MATCH - NO KENNY OMEGA, NO SIX STARS
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Daniel Bryan - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:34:41 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6246566 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246562
> Vampiro, who was at Starrcast (he lives in Las Vegas), has said that he’s looking to get back into shape and taking indie bookings later this summer. Didn’t he just say he had Alzheimer’s a few weeks ago?
gosh, you mean maybe he didn't break his neck several times in 2018, too?
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:38:07 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6246568 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246548
WWE NXT TAKEOVER STAR RATINGS:
> Matt Riddle pinned Roderick Strong in 14:41. ****1/2
> Street Profits (Angelo Dawkins & Montez Ford) won a four-way ladder match over Wesley Blake & Steve Cutler, Oney Lorcan & Danny Burch and Bobby Fish & Kyle O’Reilly in 21:30. ****1/2
> Velveteen Dream retained the North American title over Tyler Breeze in 16:48. ***3/4
> Shayna Baszler beat Io Shirai in 12:13 to retain the women’s title. ****
> Adam Cole won the NXT title from Johnny Gargano in 31:45. *****1/4 FIVE AND ONE QUARTER STAR MATCH

>>6246563
I sure wonder how long it will take before the geek realises it's a losing battle, especially with the obvious WCW 2000 copypaste full load being posted on here for the last few weeks (it panders to those who want it I suppose but copypaste threads from that shithole certainly are PRETTY UNCOOL. No sign of that picture in there though, what a fucking hypocrite.

Anyway let us celebrate the biggest news this week, which is not the five star scale breaking twice, but the well-deserved shitcanning of Peter Rosenberg. If only they'd boot Sam Roberts out too.
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Eddie Guerrero - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:43:36 EST ID:s0JTa+m9 No.6246570 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246568
This is by the numbers the single greatest show WWE ever put on, right?
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Psicosis - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:48:33 EST ID:2r5DaRBO No.6246571 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246568
Shut up, Swerveface.
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D-Ray 3000 - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:48:40 EST ID:BLsuG4IT No.6246572 Ignore Report Reply
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Wowza at this point. Mark contracts just got "better" huh?

>talent being signed to new NXT contracts are getting five-year deals instead of the previous three-year deals for beginners, trying to lock people in to where it’s a long time before they can test the free agent market.
>it’s another thing for guys with no experience to try and say they don’t want to commit to five years and only want three. But really that’s the case across the board at least WWE contracts guarantee significant money unlike some other company contracts that are out there where guys are making nothing and locked up in a marketplace where WWE wants to lock up anyone they see as marketable talent
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David Flair - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:50:55 EST ID:Dz9IJcbQ No.6246573 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246572
They can thank AEW for this btw
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David Flair - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 20:53:37 EST ID:Dz9IJcbQ No.6246574 Ignore Report Reply
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Another name change, at least it’s better than Cameron Grimes.
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Apple Miyuki - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:02:26 EST ID:Yao2CQHc No.6246577 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6246568
MELTZER! MY STARS!
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Zelda The Brain - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:14:11 EST ID:bec3MTtQ No.6246580 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246570
I'd be hard pressed to think of any other show they can compare that averages out so highly.
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Christy Hemme - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:18:44 EST ID:bTdMfeE7 No.6246582 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6246568
You being eternally asshurt over a dumb post will never not be funny.
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:21:18 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6246584 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246574
The name generator is in full force after being off for a few years. Oney Lorcan still is a terrible name though, one of the worst.
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Rhino - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:22:59 EST ID:+v2gTfW8 No.6246586 Ignore Report Reply
I'm from Greece and I wanted to ask: Does the American public care about the WWE shows in Saudi Arabia? Does the American public care that Saudi Arabia is a theocratic monarchy which executes people?
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Kenta Kobashi - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:29:56 EST ID:Y3sSvUm9 No.6246587 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246586
No they don't care.
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Terri Runnels - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:32:59 EST ID:deGM2g0B No.6246588 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6246574
>Isaiah Scott

Sounds like Foghorn Leghorn spotting the Highlanders.
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Kenny - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:36:44 EST ID:KAfIJ4XM No.6246592 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246586

No, not really. Atrocities happen everywhere. Nothing a WWE fan can do about the gov of SA.
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Torrie Wilson - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:39:22 EST ID:SGR2IDuB No.6246594 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246586
Greco-Roman wrestling sucks.
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Earl Hebner - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:40:43 EST ID:tNWD15mA No.6246596 Ignore Report Reply
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can't wait for a based WCW 2000CHAD to post the full newsletter simply to trigger the fuck out of Swereface's faggy ass
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Daisuke Sekimoto - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:43:40 EST ID:hwfpGTM9 No.6246597 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246586
Well considering what it did to their subscription numbers.. But as the whole most of us have more pressing concerns regarding politics.
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Cheech Hernandez - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:47:42 EST ID:barKe/y6 No.6246599 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246596
Swervefaggot BTFO

https://pastebin.com/vi8FD4M5
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Miss Elizabeth - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:48:49 EST ID:Pg7lBld+ No.6246601 Ignore Report Reply
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>Last year, WWE embarked on the ten-year deal with Saudi Arabia, which. At the time, was, with the exception of U.S. television deals over the last half dozen years, it was the biggest money deal the company had ever signed for anything. The WWE announced one show a year, which became two both of which generate more money each for the company than the biggest WrestleMania in history.

Not enough is said about what a wonderful writer Dave Meltzer is. The words flow like water.
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Terri Runnels - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:49:43 EST ID:deGM2g0B No.6246602 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246586
People in general know that Saudi-Arabia is real backwar. WWE working with them has gotten some attention, but I'm not sure how many people ultimately "care" about anything related to the WWE as such.
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Daniel Bryan - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:49:57 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6246603 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246601
reading Meltzer works better the less you think about it
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The Sheik - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:50:10 EST ID:4gGQ+MrV No.6246604 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246596
>hideous looking well-rounded individuals from 420chan being cancerous hypocritical fat shamers on social media
Never change woo
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Delirious - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 21:56:19 EST ID:gZDb5yOl No.6246610 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246601
>They put B&V front row ringside
>They didn't even do a fucking podcast review of it after
I wanted to hear their take on that show especially as they were there live ringside. They made almost no acknowledgement of the show or being there in the weeks after either, just talking about everything else they did in Vegas that weekend but Double or Nothing.
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Evangelina - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:06:51 EST ID:ss6PQKHy No.6246611 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6246588

Dammit, I tapped.
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Ted Turner - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 22:55:07 EST ID:CRm5ohG5 No.6246620 Ignore Report Reply
The entire lead story of the newsletter is Dave full-on deepthroating Ospreay’s dick and it’s disgusting to read.
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Ted Turner - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:00:16 EST ID:CRm5ohG5 No.6246622 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246620
Also
>As noted, New Japan World had a surprisingly strong May, particularly in European growth, for Best of the Super Juniors, which was a feather is Ospreay’s cap.

Did I not just read in like, last week’s newsletter, a whole few paragraphs on how this growth is because of Robbie Eagles? It wasn’t even speculative, either.
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Sting - Thu, 06 Jun 2019 23:56:50 EST ID:6lubTvqQ No.6246654 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246620
Waaaahhh he likes a great wrestler
He should pretend he’s bad to protect my feelings
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Rene Dupree - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:07:20 EST ID:QJXj5NuP No.6246662 Ignore Report Reply
DJZ debuted as Joaquin Wilde at a live event. He wore his full light up helmet and chest plate.
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Beulah McGillicutty - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:08:00 EST ID:jb1xC0w8 No.6246663 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246580
>>6246570

I think NXT Takeover New York or NXT Takeover New Orleans in 2018 are the only two contenders otherwise.
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Kenta Kobashi - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 00:29:51 EST ID:Y3sSvUm9 No.6246674 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246620
Yes it's disgusting that he has opinions that aren't the same as mine and I too am OFFENDED.
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Ultimate Spider Jr. - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 02:00:08 EST ID:bpwUf1a3 No.6246711 Ignore Report Reply
>> Jon Moxley pinned Juice Robinson in 24:14 to win the U.S. title. ****1/2
>leave wwe
>first match out is the best of your career
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Chris Jericho - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 02:15:23 EST ID:4pyknXit No.6246713 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246711

You think New Japan is gonna have more business relations with AEW they're already doing a great job associating themselves with AAA and I would love to see Juice in AEW
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Savannah - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 02:32:19 EST ID:Gim415y/ No.6246721 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246713

They're already officiially partnered, they just can't say so yet. Partially out of respect for the shitty ROH deal, partly so it's more shocking when the AEW invasion happens.
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Chris Jericho - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 02:38:36 EST ID:4pyknXit No.6246723 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246721

I'm guessing New Japan has now talent ravaged the shit the other half of ROH that NXT didn't already ravage. ROH is like what The Elite and Jay Lethal now?

I'm guessing until AEW starts making other titles other then their World Championship most of the Championships defended on their shows will be the Championships of other promotions like the AAA Tag Team Championships.

Also Mox will probably defend the US Championship against Omega come their inevitable match together and probably against Pentagon and Janela as well since he has scheduled dates with both of them
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Classy Freddie Blassie - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 04:40:33 EST ID:1LKm01KV No.6246742 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246599
tl;dr
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Kamala - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 05:06:23 EST ID:EvYXc0Fp No.6246746 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246723
shut the FUCK up >marky
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Emi Fujino - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 06:53:41 EST ID:W8+LeGlf No.6246769 Ignore Report Reply
Spoiler on a former WWE wrestler: TJ Perkins is back on Impact, he just worked a taping, beating Ace Austin
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Derek Sabato - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 07:10:36 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6246772 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246769
Why not put spoiler on Impact tapings seeing as that's what it actually is?
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Gedo - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 08:17:22 EST ID:sGZwff1s No.6246791 Ignore Report Reply
>KM is done
>Eli Drake is a free agent
>Kongo Kong is done with Impact

People are leaving Impact in numbers
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Buddy Rogers - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 08:30:27 EST ID:oyMueUtz No.6246796 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246791
KM left but looks like he's retiring
Drake was fired
Kongo Long hasn't been on in a long time
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Derek Sabato - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 09:01:54 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6246803 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246791
not really "in numbers" it's just a cycling in and out of talent
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Evangelina - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 09:18:43 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6246805 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246723
>>6246721
>it's more shocking when the AEW invasion happens.
> Mox will probably defend the US Championship against Omega come their inevitable match together and probably against Pentagon and Janela

even if AEW and NJPW work together, this kind of speculative fan booking is the worst.
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nowah !gJyJMqu4hs - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 09:21:06 EST ID:cGW0xyn/ No.6246807 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246564
>> Peter Rosenberg, who did pre-PPV shows on the panel and did the “Let’s Bring It to the Table” show with JBL and Corey Graves that was best known for being the final straw with Mauro Ranallo and the company, until they made up, is no longer with WWE. Rosenberg said that he had been busy with other projects and missed some WWE PPV shows. He was ready to return at WrestleMania and was told by Michael Cole that he was no longer with the company

wtf I love WWE now
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Buddy Rogers - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 09:38:37 EST ID:oyMueUtz No.6246813 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246807
Meltzer left out Rosenberg buried the product and said he was losing his passion and love for wrestling the more he was there
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 09:40:52 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6246816 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246813
Rosenberg sure was the problem though. Bring It to the Table was horrendous.
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Bully Ray - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 09:42:03 EST ID:b6AGy5Lt No.6246817 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246813
When did Rosenberg say that?
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Buddy Rogers - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 09:43:17 EST ID:oyMueUtz No.6246818 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246817
Literally on his show this week.
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Evangelina - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 11:16:14 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6246847 Ignore Report Reply
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Looks like Dave's day will be busy with twitter arguing
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CRAPCOM !SNGayGTIcE - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 11:25:19 EST ID:oBoI/UZ6 No.6246854 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246847
so, same as every day
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Kenta Kobashi - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 11:27:29 EST ID:Y3sSvUm9 No.6246855 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246847
Todd is right.
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Mark Henry - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 11:28:15 EST ID:9P2jdKq5 No.6246856 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246847
who is this?
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Kenta Kobashi - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 12:00:01 EST ID:Y3sSvUm9 No.6246895 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246721
>They're already officially partnered, they just can't say so yet.
There is literally no truth to this whatsoever.
Post some evidence if you're gonna make a wild ass claim like that
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Crowbar - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 12:04:15 EST ID:q+CXX7jY No.6246902 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246847
Todd literally said nothing wrong.
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Natalya - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 12:05:34 EST ID:RsDRXIPn No.6246905 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246847
Literally who the fuck is shit schmuck ?
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Mike Chioda - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 12:15:31 EST ID:vR/9SGJU No.6246914 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246847
He's entirely right. You can draw conclusions of the crossover based off the remaining 10k PPV buyers

>>6246856
>>6246905
He works for the PWTorch and used to work with F4ww.
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Val Venis - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 13:20:14 EST ID:xx+HAL1e No.6246993 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246769
Not only did I forget he existed but I didn't even know he got fired in the first place
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Ax - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 15:24:00 EST ID:dD5Kqm4f No.6247051 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246564

> WWE is holding an all-women’s tryout which started on 6/5 at its U.K. Performance Center in Enfield. They’ve been trying to add more women to the U.K. brand, which has ten women under contract, the biggest star being Toni Storm, the champion. It was noted by Talksport, which broke the story, that the original tryout was 6/3 to 6/6 but was moved back a few days. Millie McKenzie was offered a deal earlier this year but turned it down as she wanted to continue working in Japan for Meiko Satomura’s Sendai Girls group. The women invited were Rhio (not to be confused with the Japanese woman Riho that worked the AEW show last week). Rhio, 22, works for several Northern U.K. groups. Shax is a six-year -pro who does a burlesque gimmick and is the girlfriend of No Fun Dunne. Kanji comes from the Stixx Wrestling school in Nottingham and was the Defiant champion at the end of last year. Debbie Keitel of OTT in Ireland. Valkyrie, not to be confused with Taya, who is Keitel’s tag partner, was also invited. Candy Floss was invited as were Jamie Hayter, Gisele Shaw and Martina. Heather Schofield was a bikini competitor who was on the 2014 season of TNA’s British Boot Camp 2 as a competitor that Mark Andrews ended up winning. Jayde, Jessica Light and Heather were also listed for the camp

Great to see Debbie Keitel and Valyrie getting a shot. Keitel is a really nice person and is hot af.

> Peter Rosenberg, who did pre-PPV shows on the panel and did the “Let’s Bring It to the Table” show with JBL and Corey Graves that was best known for being the final straw with Mauro Ranallo and the company, until they made up, is no longer with WWE. Rosenberg said that he had been busy with other projects and missed some WWE PPV shows. He was ready to return at WrestleMania and was told by Michael Cole that he was no longer with the company

What did Rosenberg and Bring it to the Table do to Ranallo? Was that not all Layfield?
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Derek Sabato - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 15:27:15 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6247052 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247051
>Heather Schofield was a bikini competitor who was on the 2014 season of TNA’s British Boot Camp 2 as a competitor that Mark Andrews ended up winning

Wow someone needs to #nameandshame TNA for giving away women as prizes in their shows
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 15:33:11 EST ID:qE0Hxhq0 No.6247057 Report Reply
>>6247051
Basically Mauro mentioned on Twitter thanking the fans for winning the Best Announcer of the Year for the WON Awards and JBL buried him for that on Bring It To The Table for that. Then there was all the stuff that came out about Mauro being bullied that I think was connected to that leading to Mauro having bipolar episodes and stuff. They ended up reaching a confidential settlement but Triple H ended up bringing him back under a new contract working in NXT.
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Ax - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 16:15:11 EST ID:dD5Kqm4f No.6247081 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247057

So Rosenberg didn't do anything specifically? He just hosted the show with Layfield and let JBL do his shitty stuff?
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Sherri Martel - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 17:27:15 EST ID:lH8uvJTZ No.6247161 Ignore Report Reply
Cena vs Rock III is coming

https://deadline.com/2019/06/john-cena-officially-joins-fast-furious-9-1202629115/
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Evangelina - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 17:47:46 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6247187 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247161
you don't know about the real life heat between Rock and Vin Deez?

>Dwayne Johnson, we hear, will not be in Fast & Furious 9
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Gedo - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 17:48:53 EST ID:sGZwff1s No.6247195 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247161
Rock vs. Cena would be better than the shit they have been doing
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 17:50:58 EST ID:It2BUKqt No.6247201 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247161
There's a new member of The Fambly...AND HIS NAME IS JOHN CENA
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Madison Eagles - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 17:53:08 EST ID:AIn5HT/D No.6247212 Ignore Report Reply
Riddle shitting on Goldberg right after that horrendous Goldberg/Taker match:

https://twitter.com/SuperKingofBros/status/1137114842400268288
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Madison Eagles - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 17:53:46 EST ID:AIn5HT/D No.6247216 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247212

Oops wrong thread, mean't for Social Media. Sorry!
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Fabulous Moolah - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 19:06:18 EST ID:qnmsROr+ No.6247321 Ignore Report Reply
> Ric Flair’s five-bedroom mansion in suburban Atlanta, which he owns with Wendy Barlow, which is listed at being worth $370,000
Damn, I bought in the wrong area.
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Henry O. Godwinn - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 20:44:44 EST ID:pmtkS2y8 No.6247397 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247321
That does sound extremely low priced for a "mansion". I wonder what kind of fuckery is afoot
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The Machine - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 20:51:24 EST ID:zqadYiR9 No.6247404 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247397

The "fuckery" is that said property isn't in New York, Massachusetts, Connecticut, Northern Virginia, Maryland, California, Colorado, Florida, or any other area with ridiculous real estate prices.
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El Alebrije - Fri, 07 Jun 2019 21:05:17 EST ID:4whUyJgM No.6247414 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247404
>any other area with ridiculous real estate prices.
New Jersey, Suburban Philadelphis
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Brie Bella - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 07:50:42 EST ID:OfOCoB1P No.6247629 Ignore Report Reply
Anyone got the WOR for SSD?
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Henry O. Godwinn - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 07:53:20 EST ID:pmtkS2y8 No.6247630 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247404
The fact Ric Flair lives in a 370K "mansion" and my normie parents live in a 500K+ 3 bedroom is depressing
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Hayabusa - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 08:23:36 EST ID:nVBpeOcB No.6247643 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246565
> Bushi pinned Ren Narita in 9:08. ****1/4

Was this really that good?
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Xavier Woods - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 08:32:01 EST ID:ZthAohAl No.6247647 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247643
If it's NJPW take away 1 star (or 2 if it's a main event) to get the actual rating for the match instead of Meltzer's overexcited child analysis.
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Command Bolshoi - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 08:44:25 EST ID:cfOXxE22 No.6247648 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247647
And if it's NXT divide it by 2. Dave's takes are increasingly fanboyish, probably because HHH panders to wrestling journalists so much with call ins and stuff
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Vinnie Vegas - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 08:46:36 EST ID:XB8Sqbhi No.6247649 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247648
The fact that you have to make up excuses for matches you don't watch being liked says it all.
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Awesome Kong - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 08:59:20 EST ID:NWrAUubB No.6247653 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246568
>Johnny Kickout
>Five and a quarter stars
There is just no way
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El Zorro - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 09:04:32 EST ID:d2iifrQj No.6247657 Ignore Report Reply
>>6246568
These ratings are way too high.
Opener was good but no 4.5 star match
Ladder match was a fucking mess
Velveteen Dream got exposed big time as not being this amazing worker everyone thinks he is
Women's match felt more like a segment on weekly TV
I was bored to death by the main event and I like both guys. Reminder me of that Rollins vs. Ziggler match last year at Summerslam everyone raved about but was awful except for the last two minutes

Come on Dave. I'd go as far to say that Takeover was in the top 5 worst ones they put on
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Ice Cream Jr. - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 11:02:13 EST ID:lOqkUKds No.6247716 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247653
>match is a 100% PWG match
>Meltz fucking loves PWG
No real surprise.
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M-Dogg 20 - Sat, 08 Jun 2019 11:41:40 EST ID:Gim415y/ No.6247735 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247657

>These ratings are way too high.

Subjective ratings are incapable of being "too" anything, friend.
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Vince Russo - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 19:48:57 EST ID:s2JxQMZc No.6248502 Ignore Report Reply
link to real dad playlist please
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Stacy Carter - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 19:54:30 EST ID:wVfgpjIJ No.6248506 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248504
You sound like a faggot.
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Extreme Tiger - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 20:33:39 EST ID:F8fJXAHH No.6248525 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248506

actually you're the one who sounds like a faggot (owned)
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The Great Sasuke - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 20:51:15 EST ID:l5iSq4SR No.6248529 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6248506
>>6248525

How are you guys hearing each other?
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Shark Girl - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 21:46:25 EST ID:dYhrmb6W No.6248537 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248504
The guy who's given WWE only one five star match in the past 20 years "pulls his punches" when it comes to WWE? Come the fuck on, dude. Meltzer's been shitting on WWE for decades. Dave Meltzer just doesn't like American style "sports entertainment." At all. The whole Tokyo Dome meme didn't come out of nothing.
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Rodney Mack - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 21:56:56 EST ID:GYLqRDVr No.6248540 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248529
420chan premium has voice messages
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The Great Sasuke - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 22:16:24 EST ID:l5iSq4SR No.6248543 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248540
It can't be that premium if it makes everybody sound like a faggot.
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Daisuke Sekimoto - Sun, 09 Jun 2019 22:54:49 EST ID:dcIyK2Ki No.6248556 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248537
He gave them 5 in the last two years man
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Chiva II - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 05:30:29 EST ID:EvYXc0Fp No.6248659 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248537
lmao how many by-the-numbers WWE crapfests has Dave given automatic 4 referees to?
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Jessica Love - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 06:06:26 EST ID:ZthAohAl No.6248667 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248537
The irony is that the Meltzer referees fest had no matches in the Tokyo Dome until his recent New Japan obsession.

He likes movez, headdrops and epicness. Selling is optional as long as there a ridiculously dangerous variant of a finisher that his pea brain can mark for. 90s AJPW and current NJPW offer that. He ignored loads of great NJPW matches in the 90s because they didn't rely on YUGE BOMBS and apron moves to tell a story. The only stuff he marked for was the flippy jr stuff.
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Layla - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 06:28:41 EST ID:IiNA15Gf No.6248674 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6248667
Stop shitposting.

IWGP and Triple Crown championships are just so much more over. For the wrestlers, fans and Dave too. He always complains about the head drops and dangerous shit anyways so what is your point?
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Jessica Love - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 06:55:30 EST ID:ZthAohAl No.6248681 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248674
Stop being a Meltzer boot licker. He ignores great wrestling and only cottons on to stuff when it gets popular and he can make money out of marks like you.
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Jimmy Rave - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 06:59:34 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6248684 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248674
>He always complains about the head drops and dangerous shit anyways

Didn't he give five stars to that match where Will Ospreay and Marty Scurll did a apron spanish fly that was horribly botched ?
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Dude Love - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 07:40:17 EST ID:Yk+HXDQz No.6248691 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248684
it was a botch? it wasnt supposed to be a neck breaking spot but added a hell of a lot of drama to the match.
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Jimmy Rave - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 08:00:21 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6248697 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248691
well just my opinion here, but if a botch that serious happens in a match, I don't think it can be classified as one of the greatest matches of all time. If I was in position of influence I wouldn't encourage it by ignoring it in my match rating either
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Jessica Love - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 08:13:23 EST ID:ZthAohAl No.6248700 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248697
Meltzer trades stars for scoops. He doesn't give a shit if someone nearly dies in one of his source's gymnastic shows, as long as he has stuff to put in the Observer.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 08:20:06 EST ID:MqPOCghi No.6248702 Ignore Report Reply
>>6247081
Yeah basically. Also there was that time Booker T called him a mark on a Kickoff show.
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Onyx - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 08:51:14 EST ID:zKMjBdc3 No.6248708 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248700
This person's posts are embarrassing.
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Dutch Mantel - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 09:04:04 EST ID:Gim415y/ No.6248711 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248708

Meltzer's? Yeah, I agree.
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Invader - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 09:06:31 EST ID:Ijl953wf No.6248712 Ignore Report Reply
>dave and chico talking about how "the jericho/okada match was supposed to end shit, how do they not get it"

Come on, for real guys? That excuse?
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Pacman Jones - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 09:54:57 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6248731 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248712
They said "you're not supposed to like it" not that it was shit. Representing this honestly would mean admitting you were worked by a heel though.
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Matt Classic - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:07:05 EST ID:aYdd1DeT No.6248734 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6248667
>>6248681
>>6248711
>shitposter seething to the point of unplugging their modem for a new id
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Michelle McCool - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:14:30 EST ID:9KCsuW/H No.6248737 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248734
Dave just seems to drive some people absolutely insane. Its very weird but funny to watch.
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Brendan Michael Thomas - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:21:53 EST ID:UVVPIt9t No.6248738 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248737
e-drones have insane persecution complex and Meltzer feeds it, that's why.
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Sinister Minister - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:45:13 EST ID:jCH8J3Fu No.6248750 Ignore Report Reply
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>H-hunter is p-part of Bullet Club now
>that means he's too s-sweet
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David Von Erich - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:48:26 EST ID:bpwUf1a3 No.6248754 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248750
>hhh shoehorning himself into bullet club
>thinking anyone on the planet cares about gallows and anderson in 2019
YIKES
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CRAPCOM !SNGayGTIcE - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:51:17 EST ID:oBoI/UZ6 No.6248755 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248750
bonus points if he tries to clumsily do the current "underhand" BC gesture only to look like a goof when no one else knows what he's doing
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Chad Warden - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:54:02 EST ID:4tOE2PSd No.6248756 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248750
WWE tryna copy that shit, they know they can't compete
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Kaz Hayashi - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 10:55:33 EST ID:GXHNtkkw No.6248758 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248750
lol he found some other people to stand next to
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Pinkie Sanchez - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:01:21 EST ID:4rVFXikN No.6248761 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248750
>People still believe Triple H will make WWE better.
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Jessica Love - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:10:46 EST ID:lH8uvJTZ No.6248768 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6248750
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Jessica Love - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:20:04 EST ID:ZthAohAl No.6248774 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248734
Wrong, that person is a different person to me as you'll see by my ID. Also, I'm not seething at all. Meltzer fan boys are pretty funny.
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Shark Girl - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:20:32 EST ID:dYhrmb6W No.6248775 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248750
What a fucking mark
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Ernie Ladd - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:24:40 EST ID:uXbGQaAl No.6248779 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248774
nice try fbi, you photoshopped your ID
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Cheech Hernandez - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:36:07 EST ID:caJ/aGkn No.6248789 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6248774
>Also, I'm not seething at all.
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El Zorro - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:50:21 EST ID:WI+QtY5z No.6248800 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248738
>>6248737
not as mad as Meltzer fanboys get when someone suggests their primarch isn't infallible.

Also I'm not a e drone, I despise WWE, which is part of the reason I hate the way Meltzer gives them a pass all the time and stallions out 4 stars for kickout shit
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Rhett Titus - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 11:52:05 EST ID:ykkhl/vg No.6248802 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6248774
>that person is a different person to me as you'll see by my ID
>Also, I'm not seething at all.
How do you people not realize people can pick up you're ID-hopping when you write and post the EXACT SAME WAY every time? They're IDs, not interchangeable bodies. You have to make more effort.
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Dutch Mantel - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:11:57 EST ID:Gim415y/ No.6248816 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248774

>Also, I'm not seething at all. Meltzer fan boys are pretty funny.

shut up nerd
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Cheech Hernandez - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:14:28 EST ID:caJ/aGkn No.6248818 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248800
>Also I'm not
Any statement that begins with this preface usually means the opposite of what comes next.
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Cactus Jack - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 12:36:35 EST ID:cN9/6/IG No.6248838 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248750
>Baron Corbin

Bahahahha fuck. So WWE is still booking this fucker? Vince is hilarious. Corbin Vs Roman Reigns better be a wrestlemania main event next year.
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Richie Steamboat - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 13:19:31 EST ID:5l17+F3R No.6248860 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6248774
>Also, I'm not seething at all.
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Jessica Love - Mon, 10 Jun 2019 15:09:45 EST ID:ZthAohAl No.6248920 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248818
Usually that's the case on the internet for sure. But I can assure you I'm not - I'm having a great day and I like /wooo/.
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Bad News Brown - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:12:09 EST ID:T5Ycresu No.6249631 Ignore Report Reply
https://www.f4wonline.com/wwe-news/more-nxt-wrestlers-get-their-new-names-285816

>A few more NXT wrestlers have gotten their new in-ring names.

>The former ACH has announced that he's now going by the name Jordan Myles. Garza Jr. will use the name Angel Garza, and Jonah Rock is now Bronson Reed.

>ACH and Rock were both part of the group of wrestlers that reported to the WWE Performance Center in February, while WWE announced Garza's signing in April.

>Several NXT wrestlers have gotten their WWE names recently. DJZ made his NXT debut at a house show in Largo, Florida last week and is using the name Joaquin Wilde. It was also revealed at that show that Shane Strickland is now going by Isaiah Scott.

>Punishment Martinez is now Damian Priest, Trevor Lee is Cameron Grimes, Jessie Elaban is Jessi Kamea, Eric Bugenhagen is Rik Bugez, Adrian Jaoude is Arturo Ruas, and Luke Menzies is Ridge Holland.

>Samuel Shaw has also changed the name of his social media accounts to Dexter Lumis.
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RelliK - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:15:24 EST ID:KGuLJ16M No.6249632 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249631
>Dexter Lumis

LMAO at least TNA wasn't this fucking obvious
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Player Uno - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:41:15 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6249642 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249631
>ACH, Garza Jr, DJ Z, Trevor Lee, Samuel Shaw, Shane Strickland and Punishment Martinez all getting their names changed even though they've been seen for years on ROH, NJPW, Impact, MLW, Lucha Underground and AAA

Its even more bizarre that Riddle, UE, Keith Lee, Gargano, Roode, EC3, Mia Yim and others got to keep their name and they didn't
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Mike Tenay - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:57:02 EST ID:Zb7HzoyL No.6249652 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249631
>Jonah Rock is now Bronson Reed
Why is this company so fucking OBSESSED with having someone with the name "Bronson"
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Evan Bourne - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 17:09:35 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6249660 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249642
Something must have happened recently to force them to go back to the Name Generator. Oh gee I wonder why?
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Matt Bentley - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:22:50 EST ID:9TVnUoG+ No.6249695 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249631
>WWE name evolution

ACH -> Jordan Myles -> Myles
Garza jr -> Angel Garza -> Angel
Jonah Rock-> Bronson Reed -> Bronson
DJZ -> Joaquin Wilde -> Wilde
Shane Strickland -> Isaiah Scott -> Isaiah
punishement Martinez -> Damian Priest -> Damian
Trevor Lee -> Cameron Grimes -> Grimes
Jessie Elaban -> Jessi Kamea -> Jessi
Eric Bugenhagen -> Rik Bugez -> Bugez
Adrian Jaoude -> Arturo Ruas -> Arturo
Luke Menzies -> Ridge Holland -> Holland
Samuel Shaw -> Dexter Lumis -> Lumis
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John Laurinaitis - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:34:08 EST ID:U28QmYT+ No.6249703 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6249652
Because Vince still thinks pic related is the toughest guy in Hollywood.
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Evan Bourne - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:14:46 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6249712 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6249703
I think he'd prefer this Bronson.
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nowah !gJyJMqu4hs - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:23:43 EST ID:cGW0xyn/ No.6249716 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249660
That's not really a good example since Mox wasn't Mox in WWE.

Any of these people could get as popular as a Dean Ambrose and make the same splash by going back to their old names.
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Jim Johnston - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:32:26 EST ID:UFvqfJ31 No.6249719 Ignore Report Reply
Is there even any evidence that WWE names guys these days in NXT? People like Low Ki, Finn Balor, Andrade, Sami Callahan amongst others have confirmed they picked their names in NXT.

I know they're renamed ion the main roster at times but maybe these guys picked their names? It would make sense that the likes of Jonah Rock would be inspired by Charles Bronson, why someone like Samuel Shaw would name himself Dexter and why the other wrestlers may pick their own names in case WWE doesn't work out (Which is a good call with all the talents getting irritated by not being used right)
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Cary Silkin - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:35:03 EST ID:I1F8PRqy No.6249720 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249703
Death Wish fucking rules.
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Meng - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:35:04 EST ID:Gim415y/ No.6249721 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249719

That's always been the case though. The ones who get renamed are given a list of names and give a preference to one (or a combination) that fits them best.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 19:57:18 EST ID:It2BUKqt No.6249730 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249721
Every time I hear about lists of names, alls I can think of is the list of names Austin was given.
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nowah !gJyJMqu4hs - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:32:59 EST ID:cGW0xyn/ No.6249746 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249719
My recollection is that they give the office a bunch of influential names, the office determines which combinations are able to be copywritten, and the talent chooses from those.
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Joey Ryan - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 20:39:21 EST ID:8ihLw5T8 No.6249750 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249631
I will say that while Damien Priest is pretty on-the-nose for a goth edgelord gimmick it's still a hell of a lot better than Punishment Martinez
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Tiger Jeet Singh - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:22:52 EST ID:pf4GzkJF No.6249771 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6249631
>Dexter Lumis
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Tanny Mouse - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 23:29:11 EST ID:eDnS1577 No.6249811 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249719

I can almost guarantee that the name Bronson in this case is a reference to Action Bronson.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 23:59:39 EST ID:MqPOCghi No.6249815 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249631
Guess AEW dun made WWE go back to using RNGs for their wrestlers. I do not miss that shit.
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Tue, 11 Jun 2019 23:59:43 EST ID: iLikEToleARn No.6249816 Report Reply
>>6249815
I miss crash holly.
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Shelton Benjamin - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 00:10:46 EST ID:dy5bnKju No.6249818 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249816
we all do
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Blackjack Mulligan - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 00:19:12 EST ID:T5Ycresu No.6249820 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249816
same NJ :(
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Kurt Angle - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 00:22:21 EST ID:mk3Q2vvE No.6249823 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6249816
he's really gone netjester
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EZ Money - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 00:43:12 EST ID:hDFwEM0h No.6249829 Ignore Report Reply
>>6248750
>Post-Elite Bullet Club
>Haitch shoehorning himself to a ded act
>In L.I.J. country

Say what you will. BC was fucking already dead with OGs and Switchy boi just can't hack it as the leader. Good luck, haitch, BC is just a name now, nobody gives a shit
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Athena - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 01:49:58 EST ID:wEdhJ5FY No.6249835 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6249816
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Ernie Ladd - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 04:48:59 EST ID:i8wCW/mJ No.6249849 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249811
not sure if srs, but Charles BRONSON, the criminal not the actor, and Chopper REED the Australian crimnial/pop culture/luchador icon.
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Yoshiko Tamura - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 05:31:49 EST ID:deGM2g0B No.6249856 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249719
>People like Low Ki, Finn Balor, Andrade, Sami Callahan amongst others have confirmed they picked their names in NXT.

Likely they picked from a pre-approved list of names.
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Kristal - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 05:33:14 EST ID:EvYXc0Fp No.6249858 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249856
Chris Hero already explained the process for naming in his shoot nearly 6 years ago
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Tanny Mouse - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 05:40:31 EST ID:eDnS1577 No.6249861 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249849

Jonah retweeted something about Action Bronson after the renaming and he's also a big rap and hip hop fan.

Also, Chopper is Read, not Reed. You're probably right about the inspiration on that part, though.
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Daizee Haze - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 07:24:22 EST ID:JIGDjZ0X No.6249876 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249631
SHOOK
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David Von Erich - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 12:16:03 EST ID:w2Qrws/2 No.6249949 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249856
or out of a hat of first and last names
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Kyle O'Reilly - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 13:14:26 EST ID:BNeJtoYd No.6249970 Ignore Report Reply
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So Stomping Ground is not selling well and it's a week from Sunday. The hard cam section isn't sold out, they're just straight up not selling tickets for it anymore like they do on Raw.

https://wrestlingnews.co/wwe-news/stomping-grounds-ticket-sales-are-not-good-wwe-trying-to-find-out-why-fans-are-not-interested/

How long until they start ticketing in people for free like TNA used to do?
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X-Pac - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 13:17:01 EST ID:PWaWOUHF No.6249972 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249970
3k paid, 12k papered, just like wcw near the end
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Hamuko Hoshi - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 13:26:52 EST ID:AIn5HT/D No.6249974 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249970

I like how WWE have set up a poll for people to take to give their reasoning for not being interested in the PPV. You can also leave comments in the poll for each match:

https://www.wwe.com/surveys/wwe-stomping-grounds-matches
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Meiko Satomura - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 13:27:03 EST ID:bf8hQfxC No.6249975 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249970
They really need to start using less of the arena, look at the floor. Far too many empty seats there. Looks like they use over half of the arena right now, start putting it in half or less.
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Ayako Hamada - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 13:30:24 EST ID:kCVS6iB5 No.6249976 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249703
A Bronson in Death Wish gimmick would still be money tbh. No way Vince is cool enough to know about those movies.
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Dude Love - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 13:34:41 EST ID:5uzljJsu No.6249979 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249970
Good. Fans are telling them they're tired of their shit. I wouldn't even go to that show for free.
The most depressing thing is you have wrestlers that worked their whole life to get to WWE performing in 1/3 full arenas, with ratings that keep dropping
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Teddy Long - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 15:17:55 EST ID:bpwUf1a3 No.6250011 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249970
d-von... get the tarps
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 15:22:36 EST ID:YILbGvXF No.6250015 Ignore Report Reply
>>6249976
he's finding out about them now.
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Val Venis - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 15:24:13 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6250016 Ignore Report Reply
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>AXS TV is giving professional wrestling its own night: “New Japan Pro Wrestling” and “WOW – Women of Wrestling” are moving from Fridays to Saturdays, TheWrap has learned exclusively.

>Starting July 13, those summer Saturday nights will feature an eight-week recap of “WOW” Season 1 matches. The show’s 24-episode second season premieres on Sep. 7 at 8/7c, when a stable of new and returning Superheroes — WOW’s branding for its wrestlers — will try to take the belt off of Tessa Blanchard.

>Among all that other all-female action, “WOW – Women of Wrestling” Season 2 will also feature a single-elimination tournament to crown tag team champions.

>“WOW” founder David McLane and Stephen Dickey will again provide the analysis and commentary for Season 2.

>“WOW” will lead in to “New Japan Pro Wrestling,” which will air at 9/8c on AXS TV.

>To kick off the rebranded Saturdays, AXS TV will present a special live broadcast of Night 1 of NJPW’s G1 Climax 29 Tournament. The Dallas, Texas event begins July 6 at 6 p.m. ET/3 p.m. PT.

>After that, every Saturday night, AXS TV will air two hours of the tourney, which will be called by Kevin Kelly. AXS TV’s same-day coverage will also feature the A Block Final on Aug. 10. Special coverage of the B Block Final will air on Aug. 17, and the Tournament Final comes to cable on Aug. 24.

>Ordinarily, being scheduled on a Saturday would be a bad thing for a TV show. In this case, the move will actually allow for much faster turnaround of NJPW events, as you can get a taste of through Climax 29 coverage.

>Previously, the Saturday night New Japan events would have to wait until the following Friday to air on AXS TV. Now, Saturday shows will air on cable television less than 24 hours after they take place, which ought to be music to NJPW fans’ ears.

>The scheduling change also pulls New Japan Pro Wrestling away from WWE’s “SmackDown Live,” which moves to Fridays on Fox this fall. That series currently airs Tuesday nights on USA Network.

>New Japan superfans can still pay for live coverage via the NJPW World SVOD service. You’re just going to be paying like $9 a month and waking up really early.

>“WOW” and “New Japan Pro Wrestling” used to air as part of AXS TV’s Friday Night Fights block. They were paired with mixed martial arts action on “AXS TV Fights,” which will remain on Fridays.

>AXS TV is owned by CEO Mark Cuban in conjunction with AEG, Ryan Seacrest Media, Creative Artists Agency (CAA) and CBS.
https://www.thewrap.com/new-japan-pro-wrestling-njpw-wow-women-of-wrestling-move-to-saturdays-axs-tv/
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Val Venis - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 15:26:21 EST ID:BlrIoG3o No.6250018 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6250016
>MLW going head to head with the G1
ouch
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Ahmed Johnson - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 15:51:15 EST ID:10zcD9Fk No.6250037 Ignore Report Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Jervis Cottonbelly - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 15:58:53 EST ID:50s7N3fT No.6250043 Ignore Report Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Jervis Cottonbelly - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:01:07 EST ID:V58ygKxg No.6250046 Ignore Report Reply
>>6250043
>SMACK!COWN
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Willie Richardson - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:06:51 EST ID:Ybchf0OF No.6250047 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6250043

We'll be right back to the wrong emphasis production of SMACK, down, in just a bit.
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Tomko - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:16:56 EST ID:M1ahJWky No.6250054 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6250043
>SMACKCLOWN
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The Weedman - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:20:28 EST ID:4tOE2PSd No.6250058 Ignore Report Reply
>>6250043
>the state of those photoshops
Why do they always overdo the fuck out of it? They look like paintings.
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Jeff Hardy - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:36:41 EST ID:psV9LY6K No.6250072 Ignore Report Reply
>>6250058
Same reason the Makeup department is one step above Homer's makeup shotgun.

Because thats what Vince likes.
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Bushwhacker Luke - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 16:59:24 EST ID:6ob5T6fy No.6250078 Ignore Report Reply
>>6250043
>SMACK!ↃOWN
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Terri Runnels - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:29:40 EST ID:z2hwvJv8 No.6250085 Ignore Report Reply
>>6250016
>WOW
Hard pass
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Dude Love - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:35:58 EST ID:5uzljJsu No.6250089 Ignore Report Reply
>>6250085
Current WOW is actually really good. Logical storylines, everyone on the show mattering
If you watched old WOW and hated it I suggest you try watching the first AXS season
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Rayna Von Tash - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:49:59 EST ID:bWZ+YR1t No.6250094 Ignore Report Reply
>>6250043
I get it's supposed to be a call back to the logo from 20 years ago, but that ain't it chief.
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Terri Runnels - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:53:45 EST ID:z2hwvJv8 No.6250096 Ignore Report Reply
>>6250089
I did
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Dude Love - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 17:58:09 EST ID:5uzljJsu No.6250098 Ignore Report Reply
>>6250096
Something tells me you didn't, but okay then.
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Terri Runnels - Wed, 12 Jun 2019 19:21:14 EST ID:z2hwvJv8 No.6250124 Ignore Report Reply
>>6250098
I did watch it. Crappy editing, average/terrible matches that end up going on forever leading to a 6-minute main event, vignettes aren't even that great except for Keira Hogan's. The charm you would expect isn't there.

The Beast in a real promotion could actually be big money, though.
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Percy Watson - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 09:02:44 EST ID:BNeJtoYd No.6250307 Ignore Report Reply
Super Show stars are in

The Usos v The Revival **½
Seth Rollins v Baron Corbin **½
Finn Balor v Andrade ***1/4
Shane McMahon v Roman Reigns *1/2
Lars Sullivan v Lince Dorado, Gran Metalik and Kalisto - DUD
Randy Orton v HHH **1/4
Braun Strowman v Bobby Lashley *3/4
Kofi Kingston v Dolph Ziggler **½
battle royal **
Undertaker v Bill Goldberg - DUD

Ouch. This has to be one of the lowest WWE events ever. Goldberg vs Taker should have been minus stars.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 11:20:40 EST ID:UveV14Hw No.6250341 Report Reply
Tyrus got #metoo'd by Britt McHenry - https://www.thedailybeast.com/fox-nation-star-tyrus-accused-of-sexual-harassment-by-co-host-britt-mchenry

This post was edited by C_Higgy on 13-06-2019 11:22:21
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Buddy Rogers - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 11:22:37 EST ID:h6MdPBNg No.6250342 Ignore Report Reply
>>6250341
Funk is on the dole
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Sangriento - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 11:23:56 EST ID:z54f/jWb No.6250344 Ignore Report Reply
>>6250341

Good. Fuck him.
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The People - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 11:35:40 EST ID:DIKFKCIe No.6250347 Ignore Report Reply
>>6250342
Somebody touched my mama
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Jamal - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 11:38:47 EST ID:jCH8J3Fu No.6250348 Ignore Report Reply
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>The latest edition of The Wrestling Observer Newsletter has some details about WWE’s popularity in Saudi Arabia, including how the content is viewed in the country and where it is available.

>First of all, WWE’s attempts to get a women’s match in the country would not be the first time a women’s wrestling match has ever been seen there, just the first live women’s match. When OSN was around and WWE was on television in the area, women’s wrestling was on TV. As we reported last week, WWE tried up to the last minute to get a match between Alexa Bliss and Natalya approved for Super Showdown, but the Sports Authority turned them down, meaning both women made the trip for nothing.

>Now that OSN is gone, WWE is on MBC Action, a satellite network, which airs an edited version of RAW, Afterburn (an edited version of Smackdown) and an Arabic recap show. The WWE network, it should be noted, has nearly no subscribers in the area.

>WWE’s biggest demographic in the country is children, and it’s even bigger with Saudi children than it is with American children. However, it’s not as big with any other demographic in the country.

>The latest edition of The Wrestling Observer Newsletter reports that WWE Super Showdown in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia drew only 21,000 fans to the King Abdullah Sports Stadium. That was a much smaller crowd than the Greatest Royal Rumble last year, which reportedly had around 60,000 (according to Arab News at the time.)

>The event was panned by fans, including the main event between The Undertaker and Goldberg, which featured botches from both men, including The Undertaker dropping Goldberg on his head with a tombstone and Goldberg doing the same to Undertaker with a Jackhammer.
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Alberto Del Rio - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:05:12 EST ID:bpwUf1a3 No.6250361 Ignore Report Reply
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rnCcMyFUJXo&t=512s

>i want to show the world my wrestling as KENTA, not stupid hideo itami
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Papaya - Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:06:12 EST ID:aMk0O5Cu No.6250364 Ignore Report Reply
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