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/wooo/ doesn't understand AEW Ignore Report Reply
Johnny Swinger - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:09:25 EST EZncSvA7 No.6262798
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I know this board is surprisingly progressive for an imageboard, but we need to talk about how crippling /wooo/'s misunderstanding of AEW is.

We all hate WWE and their corporate grip on professional wrestling industry in the West. /wooo/ is the only forum of discussion that actually knows WHY it hates WWE. Saudi deals, disrespect of talent, stealing wrestlers from other companies, history of sexism, racism and even covered up murders.

It's concerning however that as much as /wooo/ hates WWE, there is a clear anti-AEW bias. It's not "man i hate AEW", but rather "i don't take AEW seriously". They treat it as another fallen star like TNA and GFW, though it has only ran two shows and has been far more successful than either of those so far.

AEW is something more than just that. Some people still can't comprehend what a gigantic step AEW has taken in wrestling business, it is the biggest thing to happen since WCW went under. It's a wrestling company that treats wrestling SERIOUSLY and PROGRESSIVELY. If Nyla Rose, Sonny Kiss and Dustin Thomas were employed by any other company, they would be portrayed as stereotypical, if they were to be employed at all. AEW cares about human beings in a way no other pro wrestling promotion would.

Wrestling fans are stereotyped as hateful hicks and Cheeto Hitler supporters, but that's not true. AEW is the first company trying to break the mold, bring more eyes into the product. They are actually TRYING to stop WWE's shit. AEW is making wrestling cool again, and people can talk publicly about being wrestling fans more and more AEW gains popularity and changes the landscape.

This is where /wooo/'s reaction to AEW comes in, they either believe they will commit same sins as WWE (which is fucking ridiculous, this company has only existed for almost a year) or they don't believe in AEW's capability of changing the industry. AEW is stirring the shitpot of traditional wrestling fans because it's actually doing something different, it's succeeding. This is the worst thing that could happen to a longtime wrestling fan. We all saw how pissed Cornette was about AEW. Cornette hates women, gay people and muslims. It's clear he sees them as a threat to the status quo, and so do other industry veterans, including the WWE bootlickers. Most people who hate WWE but also dislike AEW, simply don't want WWE to go out of business, because they want to be mad about WWE. If AEW became the only gun in town, they wouldn't be able to hate it.

You can criticize AEW for it's match quality, but not for what it's trying to achieve. It is fighting for love, for humanity and for equality. If you don't care for AEW, you don't care for professional wrestling.
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The Artist Formerly Known as Prince Iaukea - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:30:02 EST 5/atAARk No.6262801 Ignore Report Reply
as a trans woman aew is only wrestling promotion that doesn't make me feel uncomfortable. it's like a warm snuggle in fireplace. /wooo/ is so heteronormative it hurts to see people crapping on it.
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Marco Corleone - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:36:08 EST 7+CBQIku No.6262802 Ignore Report Reply
Genuinely can't tell if this is a troll or not

>surprisingly progressive for an imageboard
Nah it's really not, just the last few months has seen a suspicious rise in 'progressive' types coming here
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Greg Excellent - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:39:24 EST yJEPrhUO No.6262803 Ignore Report Reply
Wonder how many geeks are gonna fall for this OP.

>>6262802
>can't tell if this is a troll or not
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Johnny Swinger - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:41:34 EST EZncSvA7 No.6262804 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262803
i am not a troll, you fucking asshole. learn to recognize people who need comfort in this world. nb.
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Bruno Sammartino - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:52:31 EST DnF+Hivl No.6262805 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6262798
big facts OP big fax
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Tamina - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 07:55:06 EST m8KEoN+I No.6262806 Ignore Report Reply
We will see articles written just like this OP soon enough.
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Allison Wonderland - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 08:07:05 EST Lwkfx3Cv No.6262808 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262806
And they too, will all praise aew for the surface-level wokeness marketing and propel their popularity just based on that, like it was planned all along.
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Aika Ando - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 08:40:45 EST Vir4DHiL No.6262811 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262798
>AEW is making wrestling cool again

Spotted the uncool guy.
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Mentallo - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 08:47:37 EST 6zVWU+6j No.6262814 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262802
They were playing it somewhat straight til the last paragraph. The "Cornettes hates women" is one eyebrow raiser but once you get to "AEW is fighting for love", then you know they're not taking it seriously.
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Lizmark Jr. - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 08:53:26 EST M1ahJWky No.6262816 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262801
you know that there's a transwoman in DDT too right?
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Nicole Bass - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 08:57:39 EST WuGJ2oLB No.6262817 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262798
AEW fucking sucks, the only good thing about it is Jim Cornette forcing himself to review their shows for a rant on his podcast. It just gets annoying that they fail to accept that their pre-shows are disasters and that they can't just avoid not doing shitty things by saying "oh it won't be on TNT" like Tony Khan keeps on doing.
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Hernandez - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 08:59:42 EST BlrIoG3o No.6262818 Ignore Report Reply
>If Sonny Kiss were employed by any other company, they would be portrayed as stereotypical

literally the only thing he has done on an AEW show is shove another's man face into his ass
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Billy Gunn - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 09:07:00 EST f9hJ7Tve No.6262821 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262798
>a promotion with the young bucks in prominent and executive positions.
>treats wrestling seriously

I know this is bait, but I can't help it.
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The Artist Formerly Known as Prince Iaukea - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 09:08:47 EST 5/atAARk No.6262822 Ignore Report Reply
This thread proves OP's point. Fuck you /wooo/
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Mentallo - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 09:09:01 EST 6zVWU+6j No.6262823 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262801
This is retarded logic though. Apparently the only way you can be entertained by ANY aspect of a product is if they include a token for you somewhere. If all you wanted was a trans woman on your wrestling product, then Charlotte Flair has been catering to you for years.
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Tamina - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 09:09:18 EST m8KEoN+I No.6262824 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262817
Its unnecessary critique they can easily avoid. Their shows are mired with talk about the bad being real bad and the good being real good. The thing is, the bad is something they can easily put a stop to. I want AEW to be good, but they seem to be half assing things.
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Husky Harris - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 09:54:41 EST byy5X7E7 No.6262835 Ignore Report Reply
IMO, /wooo/ doesn't have a problem with the "progressive" things that AEW is doing....

/wooo/ has a hateboner for anything Kenny/Bucks/Cody related.
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Carlos Cabrera - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 10:21:01 EST RlStUHu6 No.6262844 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262835
this is the truth
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Hernandez - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 11:36:30 EST BlrIoG3o No.6262863 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262835
but Cody's stuff in AEW is the best

Kenny & the Bucks are doing their smug, self indulgent shit. Kenny clearly needed NJPW's filter to rein him in.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 11:38:13 EST It2BUKqt No.6262864 Ignore Report Reply
OP is good satire — not great, but good. 8/10

That last bit about “fighting for love, for humanity and for equality” gave away the game. T’was just a bit too on the nose.
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Otto Schwanz - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 11:46:01 EST RndQ3/OO No.6262866 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262798

wtf I love WWE now
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The People - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 12:17:56 EST T3pNx6NP No.6262872 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6262798
Can we use this thread as a Poorly Drawn Lines edit thread? Because I just made this.
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Tamina - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 12:23:52 EST m8KEoN+I No.6262874 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262835
Cody's good, occasionally great such as the whole Dustin feud and match. Kenny is good but I feel he is overrated and he also has some bad to him. Bucks are athletically talented but their whole thing is to the most self indulgent "we're indie as fuck lol" team around, which is a big no from me.
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Mark Haskins - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 12:23:55 EST i5W5a+y+ No.6262875 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262817
Out of the two preshows they've had there's only been one part thatwas anywhere near a disaster, that was the librarians shit before Fyter Fest.
inb4 marks who don't know shit about booking bitch about the special attraction match that inarguably put butts into seats that would not have been there otherwise.
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The Artist Formerly Known as Prince Iaukea - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 12:42:06 EST mTlqW/rq No.6262877 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262875
The battle royal was a disaster
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Nasty Brian Knobbs - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 12:46:25 EST 5cclnaJv No.6262878 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262872
That's pretty good.
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Greg Excellent - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 12:48:48 EST yJEPrhUO No.6262879 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262863
>Kenny & the Bucks are doing their smug, self indulgent shit.
Outside of skits like the one at DoN, how much "smug & self indulgent shit" have Kenny/The Bucks done in AEW so far?
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Jamie Keyes - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 14:20:38 EST w2Qrws/2 No.6262914 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262805
Woolie pls
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Tank Toland - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 14:58:51 EST o6Y2Bqk5 No.6262929 Ignore Report Reply
I'm fully on board with preferring AEW for their content (I mean it's not a very high bar WWE set), but if you're critical of WWE for their capitalist shit and expect AEW to be any different you're gonna be disappointed
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Excalibur - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:06:07 EST MdTCV1KF No.6262934 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262929
amazing
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Kenny - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:09:05 EST 1/S/IEzo No.6262935 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262929
Yeah, I made this point before but there's no such thing as an ethical billionaire; by that stretch, there's no such thing as an ethical wrestling company fronted by an ethical billionaire.

Sadly AEW will probably be more defined by UPROXX and Buzzfeed puff pieces that go with their token hires at this point than actual in-ring content; the fact they had to pull the curtain back on that chair-spot just to soothe the tempers of some Twitter woke-scolds - who also conveniently have degrees in cognitive neuroscience along with their majors in booker arts - was my first inkling that things are gonna be rocky for a company that tries to promote all-inclusiveness (which isn't inherently a bad thing) when pushing a product that is by and large more enjoyable when it often goes outside the realm of good taste. Something's gonna give, and I'm going to guess when the ratings come in 2020 and the Khans find out no one gives a shit about Matt and Nick's Rainbow Gang Parade Funtime Variety Hour, they'll default back to the standard: tasteless shock.

Still, as long as they have Nyla Rose kill a few joshis and Little Spike Darby getting ragdolled to shit every week I'll keep tuning in. Whoever came up with that Librarian gimmick and storyline needs to be forcibly held down and kicked in the skull until they lose all motor function to ever write anything again, though.
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Excalibur - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:09:37 EST MdTCV1KF No.6262936 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262934
C-r-i-n-g-e
Christ, how many new filters are there
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Ric Flair - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:10:28 EST Mirr6hAg No.6262937 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262936
be more creative and stop posting meme words from other websites and you won't hit them as often.
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:10:31 EST iLikEToleARn No.6262938 Report Reply
>>6262937
> as it is our duty to be a lot of fans there are a far superior television outlet as far as I got this big hullabaloo about the same case for her to hit everyone else looks stupid by comparison.
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Ric Flair - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:11:19 EST Mirr6hAg No.6262940 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262938
thanks nj
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MEN's Teioh - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:33:13 EST pS6gHB0l No.6262947 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262935
Shut the fuck up commie faggot
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Macho Man Randy Savage - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:49:02 EST bEk7jrOt No.6262953 Ignore Report Reply
OP, you could have made an actually interesting thread about a valid topic - that AEW's progressive mentality is good for the business and might be a factor in sparking a new boom - and this is what you decided tomake instead.

Shame.

But indeed, /wooo/ still don't properly understand AEW. AEW is doing the one thing wrestling companies should have been trying to do since Capeshit movies became the backbone of the entertainment industry: Capitalize on the geek millenial crowd. Wrestling is capeshit in real life, it's a real life videogame or anime, and we are currently living in a world where videogames and anime are finally mainstream.

Whoever manages to tap into this goldmine will spark a new boom period, and AEW - and, more specifically, Kenny, Cody and the Bucks - is by far the most well-equipped company to tap into this demographic's desires. Progressiveness is one of them.
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Excalibur - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 15:54:38 EST MdTCV1KF No.6262956 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262953
>might be a factor in sparking a new boom
lmao
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Sting - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:00:45 EST d0b+3AsO No.6262959 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262953
Name one thing pushing a "progressive" mentality that has made money. Even Disney, which is becoming a borderline monopoly, has had flops/underperformers.
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Colonel Ninotchka - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:02:01 EST cfOXxE22 No.6262960 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262959
Black panther
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Mil M‡scaras - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:02:41 EST dP9W7P2O No.6262961 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262959
Disney fucking kill Star Wars by going progressive.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:03:15 EST It2BUKqt No.6262963 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262953
AEW can be as progressive as it wants. But it needs to put on good shows as well. And for any “boom” to take place, it needs to draw in new fans (and younger ones, at that). Preaching about progressive values won’t draw in the long term. Good shows will.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:06:18 EST It2BUKqt No.6262964 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262959
Mad Max: Fury Road
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Colonel Ninotchka - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:09:17 EST cfOXxE22 No.6262967 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262961
Oh yeah it was totally having a black guy holding a lightsaber that killed star wars, not the shitty movies being made. /s

And by the way star wars was always considered progressive. Leia was a strong female character decades ago, hell even Yoda was a massive "it's not outward looks that matter" message. Lucas purposely built the empire to be a Nazi style organisation, and admits he also based them on American imperialism, notably the Vietnamese war (see: ewoks beating a massively advanced enemy power invading their forests)
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Sassy Stephie - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:17:22 EST psV9LY6K No.6262970 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262961
Yeah, the billions app on billions it makes is a sure sign its dead.
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Lizmark Jr. - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:19:57 EST M1ahJWky No.6262972 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262967
Yeah I want to know why po.ltards see black people in a movie as being a "progressive agenda". FFS, It's a fantasy movie set in space not a movie claiming to be the true story of the confederate army
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Sassy Stephie - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:23:09 EST psV9LY6K No.6262974 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262972
You fuckin' know why.
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New Jack - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:50:34 EST cN9/6/IG No.6262992 Ignore Report Reply
Hey OP, It's fine if people don't like something you don't like. /wooo/ is not an bingo hall and it's why I come here. Go to 4chins or Leddit if you want bingo halls where everyone agrees with each other all the time.

I actually like AEW and was one of the people defending the pre-show in another thread but this is ridiculous. /wooo/ is not a hivemind. It's not one person. Everyone has different opinions and some of them are absolute shit but that's what I like about it here. If you can't handle the banter then get out.
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New Jack - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:52:54 EST cN9/6/IG No.6262994 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262992
Seriously? Ec.ho chamber is a filter now? lol there are so many now.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 16:59:59 EST It2BUKqt No.6262995 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262992
>/wooo/ is not an bingo hall

Damn right!

We're actually a high school gymnasium.
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Tamina - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 17:01:06 EST m8KEoN+I No.6262996 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262972
Most people's issues with nu-Star Wars is MaRey Sue and the lack of coherent vision. TLJ killed off the villain, leaving them nothing for the finale. Kylo was a joke in TFA but didn't get to become better in TLJ. So we have a hyper capable hero and her team versus the bumbling fool of a villain with his fellow bumbling fools.

>>6262953#
I disagree. Making wrestling some capeshit stand in won't do anything for it. Lucha Underground is everything you're talking about and that died. Wrestling is simulated fights with a lot of pageantry and showmanship. Embrace what wrestling is instead of trying to reinvent the wheel.
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Kenny - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 17:02:32 EST 1/S/IEzo No.6262997 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6262995
And yet we still have better attendance numbers than RAW!

>>6262947
Make me, you capitalist bitch.
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Hernandez - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 17:22:17 EST BlrIoG3o No.6263000 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262879
The hadouken spot for starters
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Mano Metalico - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 17:25:23 EST xytHH3MU No.6263001 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263000
Also the fact the entire backstage Fyter Fest skit revolved around them.
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Lizmark Jr. - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 17:36:04 EST M1ahJWky No.6263006 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263001
my only problem with the Fyter Fest concept was that they half-assed it. It could have been really funny if it was a continual joke throughout the show with pretape stuff eventually interfering with stuff going on in ring, but in the end it was just a few winks at the start of the show.
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She Nay Nay - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 18:02:28 EST 6ASqwefg No.6263017 Ignore Report Reply
>more [email protected] [email protected] horseshit bait designed to make people hate AEW fans
Imagine how pathetic you'd have to be to actually take the time to sit down and do this.
Imagine.
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Greg Excellent - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 18:18:00 EST yJEPrhUO No.6263023 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263000
How is Kenny Omega bringing back an old spot that he used to do on a show that fits that type of spot being used smug, or self-indulgent?

I mean I'd be willing to give the Fyter Fest skits at the start & going back further, the opening skit at DoN, but I fail to see how a hadouken is "smug," or "self-indulgent."
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New Jack - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 18:26:34 EST cN9/6/IG No.6263031 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263023
Yeah he used that in DDT all the time.
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Hernandez - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 18:27:35 EST BlrIoG3o No.6263032 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263023
i just think its a dumb spot man

it was funny when i saw him do it in a pwg youtube clip in 2006. its just played out in 2019 imo. i don't really care if it was "for the gamers" I'm not a gamer, I wasn't entertained
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New Jack - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 18:31:18 EST cN9/6/IG No.6263034 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263032
Okay so you didn't like it. Doesn't mean it's self-indulgent or being smug.
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She Nay Nay - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 18:51:16 EST 6ASqwefg No.6263041 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263034
Yes how dare Kenny work spots to appeal to the paying audience he was in front of instead of one guy watching on a pirate stream on Taima.
Smug self-indulgent cunt!
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Nicole Bass - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 19:03:24 EST WuGJ2oLB No.6263046 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262835
If they want to keep going down the moonsaulting route it will only burn them in the end.
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Saba Simba - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 19:04:14 EST lSJzAhs6 No.6263047 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263041
You seething, bro?

It was a hokey spot that exposes AEW as being no better than the carniest of feds in terms of coming across as sports-like.
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Sara Del Rey - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 19:11:26 EST gh69CKgg No.6263050 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262996
/wooo/ was hype for LU; Dorian Roldan being a piece of shit and the hiatuses/spotty schedule killed it more than anything.
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Macho Man Randy Savage - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 19:17:01 EST bEk7jrOt No.6263051 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262996
I was not talking about "making" Wrestling capeshit; I'm saying that the elements that make Capeshit appeal to this demographic ALREADY ARE in wrestling.

If LU had not been confined to El Rey and mismanaged as badly as it was it absolutely would have changed the landscape of the business.
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Brodie Lee - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 19:28:41 EST GXHNtkkw No.6263060 Ignore Report Reply
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the virgin "elite"
>imitates street fighter poses

PENTACHAD
>shoots fire
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 19:36:39 EST It2BUKqt No.6263066 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263051
>the elements that make Capeshit appeal to this demographic ALREADY ARE in wrestling

Someone can watch a couple of two-and-a-half-hour films a year to keep up with the Marvel Cinematic Universe. If they want to keep up with mainline WWE (just to use an example), they have to watch five hours of programming every week for an entire year in addition to the dozen or so three-hour “special events” and the now five-hour extravaganza that is WrestleMania. Even if you're right about the capeshit appeal theory, more than enough people to matter would see the time (and monetary) investment in following a pro wrestling company like WWE as “too much” compared to the investment necessary for the MCU.
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She Nay Nay - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 19:43:29 EST 6ASqwefg No.6263071 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263047
They did a spot that would pop the audience they were working in front of.
If anyone is seething here it's you being totally self centered thinking they should work to please you alone and your dumbass sensibilities of what pro wrestling "should be."
stay mad
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Johnny Curtis - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 20:27:58 EST psV9LY6K No.6263092 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262996
Nothing Rey did was any different to Luke, including the empire being retarded nazis.
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Highlander Robbie - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 20:42:24 EST AB4+LqHs No.6263099 Ignore Report Reply
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Too bad Disney doesn't buy WWE and just mix all this shit into a slurry for you fucking hogs to slop up.
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Carl Oullette - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 22:11:42 EST ms1yKfKM No.6263173 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6262823
>the only way you can be entertained by ANY aspect of a product is if they include a token for you somewhere
The tokens are never for the minorities they represent, it's about publicity and money. I mean it's nice for those people to see someone like them in film/tv/wrasslin' shows, sure, but corporations care a shitload more about profit than people.

Not to mention the people who act like they can only enjoy "inclusive" media are almost entirely white middle class shitlibs, who act like "Take black kids to see Black Panther!!" and "Support women and see Captain Marvel!!" weren't part of a marketing ploy that made Disney a stupid amount of cash. Like OP would be if he wasn't baiting.
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Ivory - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 23:12:05 EST /4InGriX No.6263204 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6263173
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Alere Little Feather - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 23:27:01 EST o6Y2Bqk5 No.6263209 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263066
If they want to keep up with mainline WWE (just to use an example), they have to watch five hours of programming every week for an entire year in addition to the dozen or so three-hour “special events” and the now five-hour extravaganza that is WrestleMania

lol what some people just watch Mania each year, in fact in some ways it's easier to keep up without watching it all because the carefully-edited Mania video packages show you the story they wish they'd told
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Nathan Jones - Sun, 07 Jul 2019 23:59:02 EST iLe2GkB4 No.6263227 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263204
I bet Brock is a Centorea guy. Good taste.
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Evan Bourne - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 00:35:55 EST x9B5bHe9 No.6263238 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6262953
>Whoever manages to tap into this goldmine will spark a new boom period
Nah fuck that noise. Quackenbush has been doing that shit for years yet gets nothing but shit from /wooo/. Now comes the bucks with a money mark and everyone's on board.
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Finlay - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 00:51:57 EST b7NZg4wN No.6263245 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262953
>video games in wrestling
Hoodslam has had video game characters wrestling for a while now

>comic books in wrestling
CHIKARA with Quack at the helm is basically just him writing out his own fan fiction love letters towards the 80s and early 90s

>anime in wrestling
MAKAI and Kaiju Big Battel

The thing is that Kenny and Cody are both so entry-tier in video game and comic books that it doesn't come off as endearing such as Kaiju's wacky costumes and battles with the mid-early 2000s playlist playing during the matches or as in-depth as Quack's super-enthusiasm and love for obscure and random shit like MASK or the New Generation era, and Quack pushing a non-binary wrestler (who is good) as a champion and making a female the Grand Champion in the past with the "equal rights, equal fights" mantra.

Yeah, they could capture the general geek audience by throwing in video game references and other shit like that, but it's not going to be the main focus of the show because there's way too many opinions on where the show should go.
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Dixie Carter - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 00:57:20 EST 3NED/A+A No.6263249 Ignore Report Reply
I want to AEW to succeed, but I don't get their current product. Also there is some working things there that I can't just ignore. At first it looked like they would do wrestling as sport, close to what NJPW is doing, then goofy stuff started, I'm not big fan of librarian, goofy stuff at BR and also they going in front of camera and telling how fake everything is. Also there is brandi larping as Stephanie that I'm not big fan of, bucks and omega hasn't impressed me since AEW started. You can see that Cody is quite smart about workings of the buissnes, but also that he is his father's son and in long term that might be problem.

I hope AEW tv show succeed but ironically, aew isn't for me. So no matter how hard you try to Reeder, you can't make some one to like something.
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 00:57:23 EST iLikEToleARn No.6263250 Report Reply
>>6263249
But of course this isn't true, and unnecessary, only for him, and didn't care much less the same bitter faggot.
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Fire Ant - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 01:13:17 EST ujonaFQC No.6263253 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263249
I agree, but I think they just need time to settle down and find their style. A year from now AEW could be very different who knows.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 01:46:44 EST It2BUKqt No.6263269 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263250
NJ, no personal attacks!
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Verne Gagne - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 01:53:59 EST DO2lEm74 No.6263272 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263269
piss off
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Jerry Lynn - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 01:57:00 EST yJEPrhUO No.6263275 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263272
You alright?
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Dixie Carter - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 02:11:31 EST 3NED/A+A No.6263281 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263253
That why I find constant talk about their product and numbera they draw stupid right now. After tv start their product might start looking completely different, they might learn from mistake and clean up their show.

Making show what people want will also be easier to them when show starts. They will see how ratings move segment by segment, if its clear orange Cassidy will drive people away and jungle boy will drive ratings up. It doaent didn't take genius to know then that more jungle boy less pockets man.
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123 Kid - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 03:19:51 EST 5/atAARk No.6263306 Ignore Report Reply
This thread proves OP's point. Nobody here understands what a blessing AEW is.
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Tomoka Nakagawa - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 05:42:08 EST m++3W9mq No.6263346 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262798

>It's a wrestling company that treats wrestling SERIOUSLY and PROGRESSIVELY.
Haha, what? Are you trolling?

>If Nyla Rose, Sonny Kiss and Dustin Thomas were employed by any other company, they would be portrayed as stereotypical, if they were to be employed at all.
They literally are stereotypes though...
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Alere Little Feather - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 05:47:04 EST o6Y2Bqk5 No.6263347 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263346
I don't care about Sonny Kiss being flamboyant and shit, it's the "I will sexually assault you in the ring because I'm gay" shit that they need to cut out

Rose isn't a stereotype, like the stereotype would be to look like a full-on drag act. The fact that tiny joshi lolis are willing to fight her despite her size is pretty cool, like nobody kicks up a "BUT BONE STRUCTURE" argument
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123 Kid - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 05:49:06 EST 5/atAARk No.6263348 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263346
Name one company that's more progressive than AEW while also treating their representation seriously and non-stereotypically. You can't.

Anyways AEW says trans rights.
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Tomoka Nakagawa - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 05:57:42 EST m++3W9mq No.6263351 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263348
>treating their representation seriously and non-stereotypically
AEW does neither of those things...
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123 Kid - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 06:19:40 EST 5/atAARk No.6263359 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263351
It's leagues ahead of "haha three uncle toms re-enacting a minstrel show" and "lmao new japan dont need womens division because peepeepoopoo" and "what are nonbinary"
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Alere Little Feather - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 06:23:38 EST o6Y2Bqk5 No.6263363 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263359
>leagues ahead

Sonny Kiss shoved his ass in Tommy Dreamer's face
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123 Kid - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 06:26:15 EST 5/atAARk No.6263368 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263363
It was there to piss off homophobes sweetie. It's like young gay couples kissing in front of old people and churches.
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Hikaru Shida - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 06:32:05 EST 9Z9+MCHp No.6263370 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263363
not such a different move than the stinkface or bronco buster, which somehow get passes.

>>6263368
it's there to embarrass the opponent queenie. like the stinkface or bronco buster. save your agenda.
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Tomoka Nakagawa - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 06:52:18 EST m++3W9mq No.6263374 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263370
You really just refuse to understand the point, huh? It must be embarrassing to have to contradict yourself like that
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Alere Little Feather - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 06:55:25 EST o6Y2Bqk5 No.6263376 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263368
>It's like young gay couples kissing in front of old people and churches.

No it'd be like a gay person forcing an old person to kiss them

>>6263370
>it's there to embarrass the opponent queenie.

It plays into gay panic
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Michael Nakazawa - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 08:09:11 EST deGM2g0B No.6263385 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6263370
>not such a different move than the stinkface or bronco buster, which somehow get passes.
Those are shitty moves, though. The Usos don't even do the move the way their dad did, because it's so dumb. I'm fairly convinced that tired, dumb, unconvincing ball-based offense five years after its peak was half the reason people got sick of X-Pac back in the day.

I kinda agree that "weaponizing" gayness is not a great gimmick, unless the heel provokes them first. In that situation, I don't really care, but if his main form of offense is doing ostensibly gay-themed stuff to his opponent (like unprovoked to babyface-for-life Tommy Dreamer), I don't think it really comes off great.

I'm someone who's a big fan of flamboyant gimmicks like Adrian Street, by the way, but Adrian Street would also fuck people up. The non-binary stuff was (obviously) intrinsically part of his gimmick, but so was "Adrian Street will kick your fucking teeth in". Exoticos are a fascinating idea in lucha libre, but the concept is still being updated and modernized in Mexico, and also needs to be adapted to a broader audience if you're going to bring it to the US.
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Simon Dean - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 09:03:22 EST euV2gF1y No.6263403 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263385
Yeah, and saying "oh but straight wrestlers do it" ignores that it means something else when Sonny does it. Like of all the moves in all the world he happens to get an ass-to-face move, what are the odds.

And yeah if you're doing it to people who supposedly aren't even meant to be homophobic, what's the takeaway meant to be. Hell, even doing it to a heel will imply the heel is homophobic and we can probably do better than that for heel motivations now.

And yeah it was literally a thing back in school for guys to warn "keep your backs against the walls" when a gay person was around because the implication is gay guys are at worst predators and at best unable to keep their hands to themselves. So I'm kinda over AEW's gay poster-boy confirming that fear.
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Brian Pillman - Mon, 08 Jul 2019 20:09:26 EST L4YJHN0X No.6263761 Ignore Report Reply
>>6263403
>it means something else when Sonny does it

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Greg Excellent - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 13:08:00 EST WuGJ2oLB No.6265216 Ignore Report Reply
Speaking of Sonny Kiss:

> The latest episode of the Road to Fight for the Fallen included a match announcement for Saturday's pre-show.

> Sonny Kiss vs. Peter Avalon (w/ Leva Bates) is set for the Fight for the Fallen pre-show, which will begin airing at 7:30 p.m. Eastern time this Saturday.

AEW pre-shows confirmed to keep on being the worst out of All Embarrassing Wrestling.
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The Great Kabuki - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 13:20:09 EST GXHNtkkw No.6265222 Ignore Report Reply
>it's another "baby's first exotico" discussion
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Nasty Brian Knobbs - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 13:51:44 EST y2u4pFA4 No.6265235 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265222
>“I don’t want to be seen as an exotico because I feel like a lot of it is not authentic and like I said they are kicking butt and they are doing a really good job. But I don’t want to looped into the category. I want to be known as, just a wrestler.” - Sonny Kiss

I don't care that he's an exotico. He fucking sucks as a wrestler and seems like a shitty, fake person. What does he even mean by "it's not authentic"? Sonny Kiss is clearly wearing an attire designed to look like women's gear. No one cares that he's gay. It doesn't change the fact that he's wearing a tight pleather long sleeve crop top, make up, fishnet stockings, and trunks that ride up his ass crack. All Cornette did was point that out and people got outraged. In every single promo/interview Sonny Kiss wants to talk about how he's such a brave, independent man, but he's a little bitch for disprespecting exoticos, making a mockery of gay people, and letting his "friends" use him just to get back at Cornette for petty reasons. Cornette was 100% right about everything he said.
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Dino Bravo - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 13:59:21 EST 9TVnUoG+ No.6265236 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265235

relax
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Disco Inferno - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:16:34 EST vo2m0QFV No.6265244 Ignore Report Reply
Personally, my stance towards AEW is extremely sceptical. I have a ton of experience with startup companies and AEW is genuinely not much different than any of them. The company is run by a bunch of young upstarts, backed by a good investor and some senior people who know the business. They're full of genuine enthusiasm and claim they're going to do things differently than all the old fossils who have been running it into the ground all these years. They're going to change the world!

I've heard this exact same story dozens of times from startup companies all across Europe. Most of them fizzle out once they graduate from the 'idealism' phase and actually have to start running their business like a business. It won't be the fault of the talent or the quality of their shows - I genuinely enjoyed Double or Nothing - but the stuff they're saying in interviews about how they'll manage things differently from WWE seem kinda naive to me. For instance, in a recent podcast Moxley complained about WWE having very strict time constraints for promo's and AEW will be more lenient on that - but you pretty much NEED those constraints when you're dealing with live television with pre-planned commercial breaks. And you can't give your talent carte blanche to just do whatever once you've got long-term booking to worry about, not to mention having to deal with sponsors and network executives.

This doesn't mean I want to see AEW fail, mind you. I genuinely hope they'll succeed and grow into a staple of wrestling television. But I've seen this 'fairytale underdog startup company' story flop far too many times to be as certain of that as some of AEWs hardcore fanbase seems to be.
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Mr. Perfect - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:19:23 EST tsNg5/qg No.6265245 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6262798
>We all hate WWE and their corporate grip on professional wrestling industry in the West. /wooo/ is the only forum of discussion that actually knows WHY it hates WWE. Saudi deals, disrespect of talent, stealing wrestlers from other companies, history of sexism, racism and even covered up murders.
Uh no m8, I hate them because their product is straight garbage
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Tatanka - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:21:14 EST Kcq8f2fg No.6265247 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265235
Why don't you try to talk to the actual person about it instead of creating your own kayfabe based on nothing in particular?
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Charlie Haas - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:21:22 EST 1/S/IEzo No.6265248 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265244
> I genuinely hope they'll succeed and grow into a staple of wrestling television.

Yeah, one of my biggest anxieties about AEW is that if it fails, it will more or less kill interest for other networks to try their hand at giving already-established promotions airtime; granted, if they stay on the same level ratings-wise as WWE's current product then it'll be moot, but I'm just hoping they get their shit in order before October.
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Chilly Willy - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:27:25 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6265251 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6265248
> one of my biggest anxieties about AEW is that if it fails, it will more or less kill interest for other networks to try their hand at giving already-established promotions airtime

help us Mark Cuban, you're our only hope
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Nasty Brian Knobbs - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:33:38 EST y2u4pFA4 No.6265256 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265236
I think you're right that the post might come off as too angry and hateful. Let me try to rephrase it in a more calm manner.

imo Sonny Kiss is doing a disservice to all of the great exoticos that have come before him. He should embrace the fact that he's an exotico and use AEW as a platform to introduce the time honored tradition of exoticos to new fans. Fans should not be upset when it is acknowledged that he's wearing women's clothing, because that does not define him as a human being and is just a part of his performance. I think that the fans and friends of Sonny Kiss are simply trying to stick up for him because they love and respect him. But their efforts are misguided in this case. Cornette should not be mistaken for a homophobe. There is no reason to be upset at Cornette for sharing his well informed opinion, and Sonny Kiss is a brave man who shouldn't be afraid to speak for himself. He certainly should not be ashamed of continuing the great legacy of exoticos.
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Brodie Lee - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:40:34 EST NRPhLbkr No.6265257 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265248
WWE actually has high ratings still for all TV networks
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Gran Akuma - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 14:59:44 EST U28QmYT+ No.6265264 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265257
This is all relative. They used to unquestionably be #1 unless football was on, but now they get beat regularly by other sports, conservative propaganda and reality TV shows that they will never beat out for an Emmy.
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Faby Apache - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:01:16 EST 5nJyLHXC No.6265266 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262798
>We all hate WWE and their corporate grip on professional wrestling industry in the West. /wooo/ is the only forum of discussion that actually knows WHY it hates WWE. Saudi deals, disrespect of talent, stealing wrestlers from other companies, history of sexism, racism and even covered up murders.
Really? I just dislike them because their current shows bore me to death and are mired with shitty booking decisions.

If you stop and think, almost every megacorp has done all those things you listed, if not more.
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Gran Akuma - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:05:00 EST U28QmYT+ No.6265268 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265266
I wouldn't say "almost every" megacorp continue to work with KSA or have covered up murders. The KSA thing seems to be the out of the ring issue driving people away...
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Johnny - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 15:05:33 EST 5jicMQsL No.6265270 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265216
>Going out of your way to bump a piss poor troll thread that was dead for 3 days
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Matt Bentley - Thu, 11 Jul 2019 23:21:14 EST 1szC2AmI No.6265487 Ignore Report Reply
>>6262953
>Capitalize on the geek millenial crowd.
Who are only "geeks" because it's cool. They're fucking posers.
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Jamie Knoble - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 00:15:19 EST iB2E+KQl No.6265496 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265487
You're a millennial.
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Averno - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 02:15:45 EST wGK2SL3W No.6265522 Ignore Report Reply
if the lynchpin of your support for AEW is based on the belief that they are somehow more in line with your political and social views, I have some very unfortunate news:
The Khan family has made SIGNIFICANT monetary contributions to 45.
Story here:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.jacksonville.com/news/national/2017-04-19/jaguars-owner-shad-khan-among-nfl-owners-gave-1m-Nick Gage-inauguration%3ftemplate=ampart
They can talk all the good shit they want, but it’s a fucking ruse so that well meaning individuals such as OP will support them.
There’s more, but I have to give the disclaimer that it’s unsubstantiated (at least for me). There’s talk that the Khan’s automotive manufacturing works in Detroit have discriminatory practices that hurt black communities. I googled it but came up short handed. If anyone knows anything concrete about this I would really appreciate your sharing.
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Ring Ryda Red - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 02:27:44 EST WiK4tKoM No.6265526 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265522
Ok Alex Jones.

You already forgot Vince covered up a murder, rape and a pedophile ring?
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Charlie Haas - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 02:40:05 EST GXHNtkkw No.6265529 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265522
I heard theyre a bunch of foreign guys
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Hajime Ohara - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 02:41:22 EST NRPhLbkr No.6265530 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265526
What did he say that was wrong?
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Meng - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 04:39:00 EST w4yzr1py No.6265542 Ignore Report Reply
Nyla and Sonny are shit workers though. If AEW treats wrestling seriously, they should hire based on talent instead of PR faggotry.
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Jamie Knoble - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 05:19:21 EST iB2E+KQl No.6265545 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265542
>shit workers
>constantly working conservaturds into a shoot
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Super Calo - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 09:09:01 EST 5jicMQsL No.6265587 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265487
>They're fucking posers.
holy kringe
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Averno - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 10:54:02 EST wGK2SL3W No.6265624 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265526
Wait damn dude hold on why are you calling me Alex Jones?
I’m probably just as much of a smark libstallion as the OP.
We all know how scummy the McMahons are. It’s undeniable, and people typically view them as such.
My issue is with people exalting AEW leadership as these paragons or virtue, and leadership themselves painting themselves as allies, when they’re really disgusting pieces of shit.
Nobody buys the McMahon “look at how charitable we are!” shit.
But a shocking number of probably decent people are buying into AEW’s “inclusivity”.
If individuals want to swear a blood oath to AEW based on in-ring content or storyline or actual wrestling shit or whatever, I have no issue whatsoever.
BUT, if political or social issues impact how much you can enjoy a wrestling company
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Violent J - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 11:40:17 EST jQaaeqM5 No.6265650 Ignore Report Reply
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>>6262798

I'm surprised this obvious bait thread hasn't been locked down yet. I'll just say this, putting ANY company on pedestal and acting that they're a PROGRESSIVE paragon of moonsaulting is retarded. AEW is a BUSINESS. Nothing more. Nothing less.
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Matt Bentley - Fri, 12 Jul 2019 17:04:09 EST 1szC2AmI No.6265834 Ignore Report Reply
>>6265496
Yes I am gen Y. That does not magically mean I am trying to be cool.


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