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Jim Cornette is having a normal one

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- Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:39:55 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282675
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Mance Warner, who Jim loves, did an Invisible Man spot at GCW. Jim trashed him on Twitter. Ryan Satin stepped in.

am i the only one that think jim *isn't* wrong about this stuff? who cares how he phrases it
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Husky Harris - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:41:34 EST d1obD4PJ No.6282679 Reply
Jim Cornette is right once again. Never fails.
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Super Dragon - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:45:40 EST NbxmdHMb No.6282684 Reply
Yes and no.

The goofy shit like that only appeals to hardcore nerd fans. That stuff never plays to casual audiences without groans. ESPN played a clip of Joey Ryan and they laughed at it, not with it

Remember Cornette traveled and lived and breathed wrestling for almost 40 years managing one of the top tag teams of all time when something like invisible men would kill the business.

Sure times change and certain goofy shit gets over, to this day I still love Heath Slater, but a dude who can talk and spit fire and can work will always be better and draw more than invisible hand grenades and dudes falling through flaming tables.
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Crimson - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:50:48 EST +1W8HmRq No.6282687 Reply
Huge Breaking News: Jim Cornette is Mad Online
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:51:48 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282688 Reply
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I actually like RJ City
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:52:57 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282690 Reply
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The Young Bucks have stepped in. And reminded everyone that they're too gotten to, to make money.
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Jon Bolen - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:57:15 EST 1kyZqMut No.6282697 Reply
>>6282690
Fucking state of those tweets.

>hello everyone, I'm still mad as hell that I got worked several years ago
>btw I'm a massive mark
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Byron Saxton - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:58:15 EST 4gw1zwR1 No.6282698 Reply
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Another reminder of Twitter being the worst thing to ever happen to wrestling. Anyone that feuds with Cornette on Twitter is fucking lame. Jim has the excuse of being an old man and the fact that he's intentionally trying to stir shit. What are these other marks' excuse?
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Crimson - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:58:17 EST +1W8HmRq No.6282699 Reply
>>6282696
excited for people to get mad about this post for the 80th time
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:58:29 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282700 Reply
>>6282689
>30 years later, Cornette is considered a prophet by some for some fucking reason.

>SMW collapsing during the early 90s wrestling depression ,which almost even sunk the much-bigger invalidates all the success he's achieved as a performer and booker for Mid South, JCP, WCW, and OVW.

>One of these companies went flat broke by 1997
you know ECW was in debt for most of its existence and couldn't even pay its talents, right? And most of its alumni are crippled or dead drug addicts who destroyed their bodies for that style?
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Jerrelle Clark - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:58:50 EST 5FEDgboW No.6282701 Reply
Man this is just pathetic.
Old man screamin from behind his computer screen how he'll beat people up IRL if he ever meets them over fake fighting.
Major cring3
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:59:36 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282702 Reply
>>6282696
>This asshole spouts classist bullshit daily
give one example

nb
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Johnny the Bull - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 13:59:41 EST pkrW7sEO No.6282703 Reply
I love how Jim causes so much ass pain to the play wrestlers. He's absolutely right in what he says, this shit is goofy and pisses on the business.
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Shark GIrl (Male) - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:00:58 EST sBJ6SVWI No.6282706 Reply
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You had me until you implied Jim Cornette is a billionaire. >>6282696
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:03:56 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282708 Reply
>6282707
>Teddy Funk
ah... you showed your hand too soon. oh well. better luck next time.
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Wifebeater - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:04:47 EST U28QmYT+ No.6282710 Reply
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>>6282706
Not just that he's a billionaire, but that he CHOSE to be one.

Why haven't all these poor young wrestlers just made that same choice?
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Shark GIrl (Male) - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:05:22 EST sBJ6SVWI No.6282711 Reply
>>6282708
He showed it when he implied that anyone outside of a Khan or McMahon is a billionaire
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Super Dragon - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:05:31 EST NbxmdHMb No.6282712 Reply
>>6282707
He absolutely loves MNF and The Revival
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Shark GIrl (Male) - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:06:36 EST sBJ6SVWI No.6282713 Reply
>>6282710
>The state of Kenny Omega choosing to be a starving artist instead of a billionaire with a house, wife, and stuff
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Jon Bolen - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:08:01 EST 1kyZqMut No.6282715 Reply
How transparent and shitty does a trolling attempt have to be to not get some of you fuckers to bite?
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Super Dragon - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:08:55 EST NbxmdHMb No.6282716 Reply
>>6282712
MJF*

>>6282689
One paid his talent the other didn't. He also saved ROH by getting it sold to Sinclair and his OVW produced Orton, Lesnar, and the last actual draw in WWE with John Cena when OVW being developmental was his idea.
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:09:36 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282717 Reply
>>6282716
>He also saved ROH
And he was right about Steen, Generico and Colt. and I love all 3 of those guys.
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Sinn Bodhi - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:10:04 EST QQesQNiH No.6282718 Reply
Cornette is looking out for the business because he and everyone else that was watching WCW towards the end saw that this type of shit eventually drove fans away and they never came back.
AEW is pro-wrestling's last chance for legitimacy in the US. He doesn't want them to fuck it up by trying to appeal to teenagers that change their tastes every three minutes.
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Chase Owens - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:10:33 EST sK8BwNDg No.6282719 Reply
>>6282690
I highly doubt the Young Bucks have any trouble already making money, what would they gain from doing an angle with Cornette that they don't already have?
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Sara Del Rey - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:13:43 EST ezz88rJR No.6282723 Reply
People need to learn to stop trying to argue with Cornette. It'll never accomplish anything other than give him attention. He's never gonna change his opinions. AEW could overtake WWE and Kenny Omega could be the biggest wrestler in the world and he'd still be screaming about how they are killing the business.

If people would stop acknowledging his "hot takes", he'd disappear into obscurity pretty quickly.
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:16:11 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282726 Reply
>>6282719
>what would they gain from doing an angle with Cornette that they don't already have?
a career-defining rivalry and MORE money?
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:16:52 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282727 Reply
>>6282724
when has Cornette ever defended Hulkamania vs the Dungeon of Doom?
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Sara Del Rey - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:17:41 EST ezz88rJR No.6282728 Reply
>>6282725
Islamophobia is a retarded term.
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Jerrelle Clark - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:19:34 EST 5FEDgboW No.6282731 Reply
Why does this need to be it's own thread btw?
There is a thread for social media stuff
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:20:44 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282732 Reply
>>6282731
stuff doesn't need to be contained to Generals ya know. You could always just... ignore this thread if you don't want to participate.
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Justin Gabriel - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:22:01 EST VsqIuhiU No.6282734 Reply
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Has there ever been an opinion corny has NOT been right about? Because from what I've seen he's been pretty correct about everything so far.
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Jerrelle Clark - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:23:29 EST 5FEDgboW No.6282736 Reply
>>6282732
>stuff doesn't need to be contained to Generals ya know.
A discussion as insignificant as this can be though
Doesn't need to be it's own thread
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Sara Del Rey - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:26:04 EST ezz88rJR No.6282738 Reply
>>6282737
Nyla is a giant fucking woman who out powers most other women, beast is pretty apt.
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:27:54 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282742 Reply
>>6282737
> he's not right about Sonny Kiss being a transvestite
harmless use of the wrong term and he apologized for hurting sonny's feelings one week later
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:29:36 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282744 Reply
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>6282743
>the level of commitment to this bit
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Jerrelle Clark - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:30:01 EST 5FEDgboW No.6282746 Reply
>>6282739
you're getting irrationally upset over nothing
calm down man
chill
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Jerrelle Clark - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:30:55 EST 5FEDgboW No.6282747 Reply
>>6282745
what do you hope to gain by doing this shtick on an imageboard?
What has gone so wrong in your real life that this is how you choose to spend your time?
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Chase Owens - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:31:52 EST sK8BwNDg No.6282748 Reply
>>6282726
>a career-defining rivalry
Short of The Revival leaving WWE to feud with The Bucks, there's no proper team for them to even have a proper rivalry with.

>MORE money
They're gonna be making more money with AEW anyways.
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Jay Lethal - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:34:24 EST 9Swo6F5K No.6282749 Reply
>>6282745
Not every trans person is a tumblr instagram flower crown model cutie uwu you fucking idiot. Go outside your comfort zone and learn what dysphoria is.
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Justin Gabriel - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:35:22 EST VsqIuhiU No.6282750 Reply
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But anyways, given how quickly the amount of replies this thread has and the amount of people who responded on twitter this does prove without a shadow of a doubt that Corny still has it.
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:35:59 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282752 Reply
>>6282746
>says the guy who came into a thread to complain that it exists
lol
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:37:29 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282753 Reply
>>6282748
>They're gonna be making more money with AEW anyways.
But why not make even MORE money

>Short of The Revival leaving WWE to feud with The Bucks, there's no proper team for them to even have a proper rivalry with.
that sounds like its the Bucks fault... proving Cornette right. If they can have all these matches with the Lucha Bros and SCU and ReDragon but the last time they had a "feud" was in 2010 TNA with the MCMG, they're doing something really wrong.
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Jim Cornette - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:40:10 EST wfc4Nl90 No.6282755 Reply
Stop getting worked by me jerks
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Chase Owens - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:45:56 EST sK8BwNDg No.6282760 Reply
>>6282753
>But why not make even MORE money

How much "MORE money" do you think a Cornette feud would make the Bucks? Because between AEW & the crazy amount they're making with merch sales already, I don't see the Bucks say, selling out AT&T Stadium with a Cornette feud, or sell more tickets than they have with Double or Nothing, or ALL-OUT & the first episode of AEW on TNT.

>that sounds like its the Bucks fault
The only one that's honestly their fault has been their current feud with the Lucha Bros. not having much meat to it beyond "who's the best team?"
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hi - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:50:43 EST 9YDmWtsC No.6282762 Reply
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For all the Nick Gage bashing he does. How does he not realize that he and his little twitter cult are the Fox News fans/Nick Gage of wrestling?

He is actually threatening violence and attempting to hurt these dude’s bottom lines cause it’s not the type of tv show he likes to watch from the old days.
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Fritz Von Erich - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:52:29 EST o6Y2Bqk5 No.6282763 Reply
Sorry but Cornette is sadly nostalgic for a bygone era when wrestlers were visible
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hi - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 14:53:56 EST 9YDmWtsC No.6282764 Reply
>>6282762
I’m very offended by that name being switched to Nick Gage

don’t disrespect MDK like that wooo
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Dave Prazak - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:00:30 EST DDtHDnqn No.6282768 Reply
>>6282762
>the Fox News fans/Nick Gage of wrestling?
Nah. The people who listen to Jim aren't executing mass shootings or robbing banks, leaving behind manifestos saying "outlaw mud hole wrestling is overrunning old school rasslin", like Donald/Fox news viewers are doing to immigrants and other minorities.
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:05:43 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282770 Reply
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>>6282760
> I don't see the Bucks selling more tickets than they have with Double or Nothing, or ALL-OUT & the first episode of AEW on TNT.
>implying the Bucks are responsible for those numbers.
There's a reason people talk more about Cody's matches after big AEW shows. And Jericho. and now Mox. And notice that Cornette doesn't have any criticisms for how those 3 work.

>How much "MORE money" do you think a Cornette feud would make the Bucks?
Do you know how much money guys made working FEUDS? Flair-Steamboat, Flair-Funk, Brock-Angle, Hogan-Piper, Hogan-Orndorff, Sting-Vader, Sting-Hogan, Cena-Edge, HBK-HHH, etc etc etc. The Bucks have never had that and they seemingly make no effort to want to have that.

> I don't see the Bucks say, selling out AT&T Stadium with a Cornette feud
they're sure as shit not going to do it with Bucks vs Lucha Bros rematch #45823.
If you don't think a surprise Cornette appearance in AEW wouldn't get EVERYBODY talking, you're not paying attention. Obviously, the Revival is the dream team, but Cornette could work magic managing any team against the Bucks: the Revival or the Dynasty or the WorkHorsemen or The North or Mance Warner & Nick Gage or The Unwanted or silas Young & Bully Ray or Cass and Enzo

i wish i could find the clip of Cornette invading ECW but look at how worked the crowd got by Lawler: https://youtu.be/nq4X3tNZZus
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:07:18 EST It2BUKqt No.6282772 Reply
>>6282768
>outlaw wrestling

What the fuck even is that? Since when is running a pro wrestling company considered illegal?
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:08:48 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282774 Reply
>>6282772
its an old school term. its the promotions that tried to run head-to-head with the established territories. the most famous one was probably Angelo Poffo setting up ICW in Memphis for his boys to run against Lawler/Jarrett. And then Lawler did big money by bringing in Randy as an outlaw opponent.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:09:37 EST It2BUKqt No.6282775 Reply
>>6282774
Oh, so it’s Cornette being fifty years behind the times again. Okay, then.
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Chase Owens - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:25:39 EST sK8BwNDg No.6282780 Reply
>>6282770
Off all the teams you mentioned, no, the only ones that would generate massive amounts of interest would likely be The Revival. And to be honest, that's a match that can be built without Jim Cornette's help.

And yes, feuds draw money, but for as much as I like Jim on the mic (fuck sake, he's one of my favorite managers of all-time), I think you're overstating the value of Cornette vs. The Bucks if you think it'll do business as good as most of the feuds you mentioned.
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Marc Mero - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:28:02 EST KsSr5UmI No.6282783 Reply
>>6282775
I did not watch the video, but if Corny is complaining about invisible wrestlers or other fantasy moves like energy blasts in wrestling then in with him. That shit is dumb.
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Chase Owens - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:30:04 EST sK8BwNDg No.6282786 Reply
>>6282780
Also, counting the other teams you mentioned, The North/Monster Mafia, The Dynasty, The Unwanted & Nick Gage/Warner don't need Cornette's help to sell the feud.
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:32:33 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282788 Reply
>>6282780
> that's a match that can be built without Jim Cornette's help
>I think you're overstating the value of Cornette vs. The Bucks if you think it'll do business as good as most of the feuds you mentioned.

its so bewildering that you'd rather not try to make as much money as possible in wrestling. thats the whole point. Bucks vs Revival probably would draw something... for a little while but it'd die out if there isn't heat to sustain. And Cornette would bring the heat.
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Chase Owens - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:36:16 EST sK8BwNDg No.6282789 Reply
>>6282788
A feud's heat can be sustained by good writing & good storytelling. Something Jim Cornette wouldn't be needed for in a potential Revival/Bucks feud.

Again, I like Cornette. He's one of my favorite managers of all-time & I can agree with most of his points about wrestling. But he just isn't needed in a potential heat-filled feud involving the Bucks & it's understandable why they have no interest working with him beyond "they're marks who don't wanna make money."
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:38:22 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282791 Reply
>>6282789
>A feud's heat can be sustained by good writing & good storytelling. Something Jim Cornette wouldn't be needed for in a potential Revival/Bucks feud.
Do you think the Bucks & Revival could book their own feud better *without* Cornette's input

also
>good writing
this vince mcmahon soap opera writer bullshit terminology. wrestling booking has worked best when its straight-forward violence and hatred.
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Chase Owens - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:42:42 EST sK8BwNDg No.6282793 Reply
>>6282791
Considering The Revival's gimmick, a feud between them & The Bucks literally sets itself up & wouldn't need a Corny promo to sell people on it. Shit, the AEW audience would already be on-board given the merits of the two tag teams.

And by good writing, you know what I meant
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:52:18 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282796 Reply
>>6282793
>Considering The Revival's gimmick, a feud between them & The Bucks literally sets itself up & wouldn't need a Corny promo to sell people on it. Shit, the AEW audience would already be on-board given the merits of the two tag teams.
i don't know what to tell you other than you're leaving money on the table.

>a feud between them & The Bucks literally sets itself up
set up with what? inside "FTR" jokes from Twitter and BTE?
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Bob Sapp - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:53:11 EST OerWhN2+ No.6282797 Reply
Corny is a salty bitch again, more at 11
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Dusty Rhodes - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 15:58:02 EST EOEUOrE9 No.6282802 Reply
>Fucking goofy pretend shit
>Cornette booked the Thrillseekers, possibly the goofiest tag team this side of the Ding Dongs

>Berates people fpr being out of shape
>Heaps praise on Ray Trailor, a man who spent half his career gassed and fat as fuck

>Complains wrestlers are marks who hurt themselves
>Literally injured his legs so badly jumping off scaffolding he still suffers from it decades later and managed to fuck himself up even worse in a goofy comedy battle royale

>Funny don't make money
>Heenan spent his career doing pratfalls in a weasel costume

>Calls people skinny geeks when they're cut as fuck and in great shape
>Thinks the Midnight Express is the greatest team of all time

>Hates ECW and edgy products
>Smokey Mountain created the Gangstas

Cornette is either delusional, a massive hypocrite, or both. Go watch his stuff, or the stuff he likes, and tell me that wasn't some corny, goofy-ass neon eighties shit full of dudes with pot bellies and no conditioning giving each other hepatitis from filthy razor blades, or dumb comedy stuff like the Boogie Woogie Man and wrestlers who are also preppy sailors from Yale or whatever the fuck. Yeah, super real and serious fighting!
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Jim Cornette - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:00:26 EST wfc4Nl90 No.6282804 Reply
>>6282802
Or maybe he's just a fucking character and feeding into his outrage is a good way for him to stay relevant and sell merch?
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Slick Johnson - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:03:34 EST dYhrmb6W No.6282806 Reply
>>6282675
Cornette doesn't understand that pro wrestling is a medium, not a genre. Wrestling can have comedy, wrestling can be serious, wrestling can be a competitive sport, wrestling can be The Jerry Springer Show, etc.

Cornette has a very narrow mindset of what he thinks pro wrestling should be. It's like saying EVERY show on television HAS to be Gunsmoke.
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:05:34 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282807 Reply
>>6282802
>the Thrillseekers, possibly the goofiest tag team this side of the Ding Dongs
literally wrong.

>Ray Trailor, a man who spent half his career gassed and fat as fuck
literally wrong. Big Bossman was a great worker. eat shit.

>Literally injured his legs so badly jumping off scaffolding he still suffers from it decades later and managed to fuck himself up even worse in a goofy comedy battle royale
and rails on wrestlers to not make his same mistakes.

>Heenan spent his career doing pratfalls in a weasel costume
1.) Heenan didn't do many weasel costume matches after he left AWA and 2.) Cornette says its ok to laugh at a heel manager getting his comeuppance

>Thinks the Midnight Express is the greatest team of all time
they're definitely in the top 5 you underage casual

>Hates edgy products
no he doesn't. he hates death match wrestling that actually does damage to the wrestler and leads to state athletic commissions playing hardball with non-wwe wrestling events
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King RIKI - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:08:29 EST 9P2jdKq5 No.6282808 Reply
>>6282806
Honestly, pretty Cornette thinks every TV has to be just Gunsmoke at this point
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Godiva - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:09:28 EST qxsoBeO3 No.6282809 Reply
Cornette is obviously not right and he’s an idiot but he’s always working all you marks into a shoot.
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Jim Cornette - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:10:54 EST wfc4Nl90 No.6282811 Reply
>>6282808
No way, the world can have Gunsmoke, Bat Masterson and the Rifleman on, theres plenty of room
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Chainz - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:20:40 EST st+23+WD No.6282818 Reply
I'm trying to figure out why Cornette seems to feel wrestling he doesn't like is a personal insult to him. Like, fuck man. You literally said it in a shoot years ago. "Chocolate and Vanilla" Why are you hating someone for liking chocolate when you can still get Vanilla?
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:22:54 EST 8xUvQF3I No.6282821 Reply
>when Cornette goes after someone I hate

based Corny

>when he goes after someone I like

this bastard needs to ease up and get with the times

I admit it's hypocritical, but his rants are entertaining
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Krissy Vaine - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:36:39 EST 8YmMYKUS No.6282834 Reply
I like Mance Warner. I like GCW. I like Cornette.I don't have to like 100% of what they do and say to be a fan.
The invisible man gimmick has no place in an actual match. Bryce Remsburg put on a great performance at Spring Break but the match with Mance and Kikutaro was ruined.
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hi - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:39:29 EST 9YDmWtsC No.6282837 Reply
honestly tho someone should slap the shit out of jim cornette.

just one time.

he’s earned it.
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Terri Runnels - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:43:04 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6282841 Reply
>>6282834
yeah i love GCW and i also think cornette is right. I'm totally fine with GCW's vibe being "outlaw mudshow and proud of it" and honestly, if they want to sell 4000 tickets or whatever insane number is needed for Spring Break next year in Tampa, Corny would be a good heel manager for MJF against Janela or Gage or Jimmy Lloyd.

The Invisible Man gimmick is a little "ehh" to me and I was honestly not feeling it when i went to Spring Break this year but Bryce Remsburg did an amazing job with that match and its honestly one of the best showcases for Bryce's talents. It was a very specific gimmick that worked for a very specific crowd. I wouldn't pretend like it could work in AEW. GCW-Chikara-Kaiju-Lucha VaVoom-Hoodslam... they all have their place and maybe their place is a small indie niche and thats fine.

And say what you want about all this but Cornette loved Mance and is not afraid to call him out for what he thinks is a dumb spot. Its better than being a hypocrite and finding some excuse for why it works just because one of his faves did it.
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Don West - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:44:24 EST /0PaO8FZ No.6282842 Reply
I love when Jim puts passive aggressive internet crusaders in their place. That satin guy does come off as a big wuss.
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The Mantaur - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:53:09 EST TbFJ2MsH No.6282847 Reply
>>6282762
>He is actually threatening violence

A little later...

>>6282837
>someone should slap the shit out of jim cornette
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Slick Johnson - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:56:10 EST dYhrmb6W No.6282855 Reply
>>6282818
He's just another boomer who's going senile, hates change, and is afraid of the world around him. Haven't you seen his MULTIPLE flip outs over the food at Wendy's?
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Krissy Vaine - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 16:59:18 EST 8YmMYKUS No.6282858 Reply
Remember the GCW backyard show where their own champion was apologizing on commentary for some of the stupid shit that was going on?
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Jeremy Borash - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:15:46 EST YoDLvxhb No.6282879 Reply
>>6282802
Dude, the Midnights is easily a Top 5 tag team. I know it's cool to shit on Corny but they could work and made you want to see them get murdered.
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Atsushi Kotoge - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:17:04 EST mpQ0FTVL No.6282881 Reply
Twitter is the worst thing to ever happen to humanity and only Big E and Asuka should be allowed to keep their accounts.
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Jimmy Garvin - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:21:46 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6282886 Reply
>>6282881
No, it's the best thing, considering how many fake people willingly expose themselves there.
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Willie Richardson - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:45:19 EST tdcLSB2c No.6282913 Reply
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>>6282762
If Cornette was a fan of Mance Warner than he should love Nick Gage. He's one of the few wrestlers going today that actually has an aura around him and comes off like a real bad mother fucker. Jim loves it when wrestlers have legit backround and if you're going to promote a tough S.O.B brawler you can't get any better than one who's been to prison. In-ring wise Gage is just as good as Mance and he doesn't fuck with any goofy shit like invisible men or being stuck doing a perpetual Stone Cold impression. If Cornette can open his arms to New Jack why not MDK?
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Brendan Michael Thomas - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 17:58:34 EST 0ia2DwE9 No.6282922 Reply
>>6282681
>comparing a carny fake sport like wrestling to legitimate theater

now you know jim is just fucking retarded. Also if i was Satin, when Jim talked about meeting in public like hes some kind of tough motherfucker than would have been it for me..."see you at wrestlecon bitch".
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Brendan Michael Thomas - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:10:43 EST 0ia2DwE9 No.6282924 Reply
>>6282684
theres a part in Wrestling Road Diaries 3 where colt's talking about playing agame of baseball in the middle of match in CHIKARA and he says somethign like "thats what works here, i wouldn't do that in a tryout match but it works here" The invisible man schtick is for GCW and Jim's problem is as much as he thinks he knows wrestling he knows wrestling 30 years ago. he's not out there figuring out what gets over where and making a living doing it in 2019 snd even then to go on a platform like twitter and vaguely threaten people for disagreeing with his very limited view makes me want to take a tireiron to his kneecap then skullfuck him with the NWA title belt. Jim COrnette is the patron saint of geeks who complain about wrestling on the internet but dont actually watch wrestling
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Jay Lethal - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 18:20:03 EST 9Swo6F5K No.6282927 Reply
The day this muslim persecuting fatass dies will be the happiest day of our lives
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Johnny Kidd - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 19:36:42 EST yrDco3bn No.6282947 Reply
The funny thing is I remember hearing Tommy Dreamer at a Q&A last year and when the topic of Cornette came up Tommy was visibly exasperated as he referenced Cornette's hypocrisy, I feel like literally everyone in the business besides Bill Apter (who is just one of the unbelievably nicest old guys I've ever met) is just tired of Cornette's shit.
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Tamina - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:18:11 EST yrDco3bn No.6282978 Reply
>>6282969
Yeah but when you look at what Meltzer's twitter mentions look like Cornette's antics are probably par for the course.
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Cactus Jack - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:27:02 EST L4YJHN0X No.6282995 Reply
>>6282684
Pro wrestling in 2019 only draws groans from casual audiences.

When the fuck in the last 30 years has Corny drawn money? He couldn't even get rednecks pay to see militant black men get beat up during the 90s boom and his stint as ROH bookerman was even more putrid than its current era.

He's a sad, embarrassing old relic who should just be left alone.
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Cactus Jack - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:29:04 EST L4YJHN0X No.6282996 Reply
>>6282716
WWE booking turning into utter star-destroying garbage the same year Cena proves nothing of Cornette's talent. This is correlation at best.
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Scott Hall - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:30:03 EST R9+Ed7Bb No.6282998 Reply
>>6282995
Smoky Mountain shut down before the wrestling boom. If they had hung around for like 6 more months they would have been running shows when everyone in wrestling was making money.

I've still yet to see anybody credible defend what he did with ROH
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Cactus Jack - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:33:47 EST L4YJHN0X No.6283001 Reply
>>6282788
It's so bewildering that you believe Cornette adds anything to a feud in 2019.
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Bobby Lashley - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:40:59 EST 0ia2DwE9 No.6283004 Reply
>>6282998
he would have been a distant 4th at best. nobody during the boom would have given a shit about the rock n roll express, TL Hopper or Tracy Smothers (which sucks cuz Tracy is great) and all his quality talent left to go work for Paul E. Every up n coming talent SMW had bailed on cornette for greener pastures
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Mass Transit - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:45:16 EST oMZ12zbm No.6283012 Reply
>>6283008
Cornette's gimmick is raging at shit wrestling. Play wrestlers and trash promotions always bite for his bait.
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Cactus Jack - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:46:53 EST L4YJHN0X No.6283016 Reply
>>6283008
In case you haven't noticed, that guy is a total Cornette cultist who can't even admit The THRILLSEEKERS were goofballs.
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Karen Jarrett - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:48:13 EST yc8S8W/S No.6283018 Reply
>>6283002
and the wwf was doing all time shit business too, its almost like the entire business was on its ass from 92 until the mnw blew up

hilariously enough most indies these days would kill for smw's shitty business. we "only" drew 500 people to a high school gym? pack it up, shut it down, business is in the toilet
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R-Truth - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:52:33 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6283019 Reply
>>6283012
He's not "working" people, though
Dude is legitimately mentally unhinged. Yeah, he has made good points in the past and cut great promos in shoots, but he's not "baiting" - this is who he really is. A bitter old man who yells at clouds. I'm not going to prevent anyone from enjoying his rants, that's perfectly fine, but don't deny what Cornette really is.
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Goldberg - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 20:52:36 EST snnSpVMz No.6283020 Reply
>>6282718
>AEW won't be successful by capturing the most coveted demographic in television
what in the absolute fuck am i reading
this board is retarded, cornette defenders are worse and i give up
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R.D. Evans - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:15:52 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283031 Reply
>>6282924
> Jim's problem is as much as he thinks he knows wrestling he knows wrestling 30 years ago.
nah Jim knows what about the timeless things that still work in wrestling. even if you don't like his overarching booking direction of ROH, he still knows how to sell all the little things that make a performer stand out and for an audience to unabashedly enjoy.
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R.D. Evans - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:17:21 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283032 Reply
>>6282995
>smoky mountain
>during the 90s boom

> his stint as ROH bookerman was even more putrid than its current era.
honestly... nah. and if it wasn't for him, ROH would have been gone long before they ever partnered with NJPW, long before Steen and Cole and Kyle were world champs
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R.D. Evans - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:23:19 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283037 Reply
>>6283033
people *were* into davey until they realized he really didn't feel like doing anything other than getting his "fighting spirit" shit in

and his commentary on MLW and the NWA has been an asset to both products. He's helped Mance get over to another level so it makes sense why he's pissed to see him doing a play wrestling comedy spot in a"jelly janela's" mudshow. And whats most hilarious is Joey walked right into "Joey vs MJF w/ Cornette" and there's money on the table for Joey and Max if AEW wants to give him a call.
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Brandon Thomaselli - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:23:40 EST Z04hp/vz No.6283038 Reply
Poor Jim.

He just wants to go back to the days of Eddie Glibert running over Jerry Lawler with a car and The Gangstas going to a graveyard to find the Undertaker then getting chased away by a cat.

And you know what? So do I.
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Colonel Ninotchka - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:36:10 EST dYhrmb6W No.6283046 Reply
>>6283032
Cornette's Clone Wars Saga killed ROH's relevance. They went from being this generation's ECW to the boring ass promotion with a revolving door roster that it's been for the last decade.
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Goldberg - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 21:43:04 EST snnSpVMz No.6283049 Reply
>>6283025
>source: my ass
every young adult still quotes either the simpsons or spongebob because they saw it as a teenager (depending on when they were born), star wars is the biggest thing ever still because people saw the original trilogy or the prequels when they were young (again depending on when they were born)
teenagers lost interest in post AE wrestling because post AE booking sucked ass (like spongebob or simpsons past their prime), don't blame muh millennial/zoomers because your show sucks.
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R.D. Evans - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:04:31 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283068 Reply
>>6283046
>killed Roh's relevance
They just worked MSG. Last year was their biggest year ever. They became the number two company in America for awhile. And it was a "boring ass promotion" when Steen and Cole and Cody were on top and Jim was long gone?

>revolving door roster
It's not Jim's fault WWE could outbid everyone
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Konnan - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:09:15 EST sK8BwNDg No.6283080 Reply
>>6283068
To play devil's advocate, most of that could be accredited to them having The Elite & the NJPW partnership. It's no coincidence that as soon as the Elite was gone & NJPW guys started showing up less & less, ROH attendance fell hard.

But the Cornette era DID suck a lot of hype out of the company from a product quality standpoint
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Cactus Jack - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:21:09 EST L4YJHN0X No.6283087 Reply
>>6283068
>They just worked MSG

After taking nearly a decade to repair the damage Cornette did.

Even for your usual stupid takes you're being way too fucking obtuse.
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Melina - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:23:15 EST qZ3kVc2f No.6283090 Reply
>>6283068
Remind me what the #2 Company in America is right now? Remind me who exactly is the company built around?
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R.D. Evans - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:33:56 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283095 Reply
>>6283087
>After taking nearly a decade to repair the damage Cornette did.
their business has steadily grown since Sinclair bought them (which Jim put together); Jim did not sink the company into a years-long depression

you realize the alternative is no ROH right? no world champ Steen, no Cole, no NJ partnership, no Elite

>>6283090
Cody.
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Colonel Ninotchka - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:36:41 EST dYhrmb6W No.6283096 Reply
>>6283068
>They just worked MSG
Piggy backing off of NJPW

>And it was a "boring ass promotion" when Steen and Cole and Cody were on top and Jim was long gone?
Yes. ROH has been stagnant for over a decade. They've had a TV show for 10 fucking years and they're barely any bigger than they were in 2009. I honestly can't remember the last time there was any amount of buzz behind ROH.
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R.D. Evans - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:40:09 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283101 Reply
>>6283096
>ROH has been stagnant for over a decade. They've had a TV show for 10 fucking years and they're barely any bigger than they were in 2009. I honestly can't remember the last time there was any amount of buzz behind ROH.
how is any of that post-2012 Jim's fault?

and if he caused so much "damage" how come business continued to rise year over year?
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Melina - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:45:54 EST qZ3kVc2f No.6283110 Reply
>>6283095
And The Bucks. And Kenny. Who Jim Corrnette hates. i get you're trolling, but still, don't be ignorant of the facts.
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Jonathan Coachman - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 22:59:03 EST 7SkqhvG6 No.6283116 Reply
>>6283095

>you realize the alternative is no ROH right?

And? Why keep ROH around if it sucks? ROH 2002-2010 was actually great. Had ROH died in 2010, Highspots would've likely bought the video library because it was before WWE really gave a crap. We could've had the every event in it's entirety unedited. ROH edits out all the entrances and even edited out the opening of the very first show because it could be deemed "offensive." Even if ROH went out of business now, WWE would likely buy the library, which would remain heavily edited because of copyright.

>no world champ Steen, no Cole, no NJ partnership, no Elite

I'm okay with not having any of those.

Kevin Steen was great, but I stopped caring around the time they gave Eddie Edwards the title when it was clearly Davey's time. I could watch Adam Cole in CZW and PWG. I don't care about the NJPW partnership. The Elite is trash.
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Dasher Hatfield - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 23:24:44 EST oOLczIsv No.6283131 Reply
Cornette working the marks, keeping kayfabe.

And the insider spots are geeky and lame. People see that and laugh at wrestling, wonder to themselves how it's still a thing, and go about their day. They don't think, "wow, I wonder where that's from, I want to see something like that again." Once it becomes a spot that people do again and again, it becomes overly self-referential, ironic, and bullshit. We don't need wrestling with a wink and a nudge.
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Jonathan Coachman - Mon, 12 Aug 2019 23:48:29 EST 7SkqhvG6 No.6283135 Reply
>>6283131

>And the insider spots are geeky and lame. People see that and laugh at wrestling, wonder to themselves how it's still a thing, and go about their day. They don't think, "wow, I wonder where that's from, I want to see something like that again." Once it becomes a spot that people do again and again, it becomes overly self-referential, ironic, and bullshit. We don't need wrestling with a wink and a nudge.

Funny you say that. Whenever I've showed non-fans the silly and goofy stuff in wrestling, they like it. The general consensus is usually something like "See, I can enjoy this. At least they're not trying to trick me into believing it's real." They think it's an insult when wrestling tries to be serious because "I already know it's fake".
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 00:06:51 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283144 Reply
>>6283135
Funny you say that. Whenever I've showed non-fans the silly and goofy stuff in wrestling, they just kind of shrug and are more into the big large scale spectacle.
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Mike Adamle - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 00:22:11 EST gh69CKgg No.6283156 Reply
>>6283135
True non-fans tend to like the goofy shit because they never believed in kayfabe. The people who get upset about goofy shit are (lapsed) fans who desperately want to believe in kayfabe.

Non-fans, and a growing number of hardcore fans, don't take wrestling seriously. Folks like Corny have fought their whole lives to make wrestling be taken seriously. That's why outlaw mud hut bullshit makes Corny so mad; it's ammunition for people to not take wrestling seriously.

As an aside, this is also why you get Inokism/shoot-style related NJPW shitposting: dudes working a shoot allow insecure fans to work themselves into believing wrestling is a shoot again.
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Mia Yim - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 00:35:15 EST NE3BuiC8 No.6283162 Reply
>>6282686
Jim's 100% right. Satin is an fucking attention whore faggot piece of shit.

inb4 Satin himself gets angry and responds because he's a fucking loser that's online 24 hours a day looking for attention.
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Too Cold Scorpio - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 00:51:16 EST GXHNtkkw No.6283165 Reply
>>6283163
when you work the non-fan gimmick but then you accidentally turn into a non-fan but you didn't mean it so you're still a fan
also maybe different fans and non-fans have different views about different things and there's unlikely to be a consensus about a spot like that in most groups
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Tracy Smothers - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 03:58:19 EST zZAlFqOa No.6283186 Reply
When Kevin nash, vince Russo and jim cornette agrees on something, maybe they are right. Real Mark's are in ring these days.
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Kenny King - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 04:01:08 EST VsqIuhiU No.6283187 Reply
>>6283186
Bizarrely enough as much corny and russo hate each other they actually share a lot of the same opinions when it comes to which wrestlers and companies they like.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 05:01:18 EST LXOZukbX No.6283194 Reply
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>>6283186
remember when the marks were in the crowd not in the ring?
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Booker T - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 05:08:28 EST 9Swo6F5K No.6283195 Reply
Someone should send him footage of Muhammad Hassan and maybe he'll go into such a tirade he's kicked out of MLW and the podcast network he's in. Fucking islamophobic fatass hypocrite.
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Obariyon - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 05:21:55 EST Hc/Y1GVj No.6283199 Reply
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post images that piss off Cornette
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Obariyon - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 05:29:11 EST Hc/Y1GVj No.6283201 Reply
>>6283200
>"But let me tell you something dickface after you have gone off on that promo, let me tell you a few things. Number one of which I'll admit that the people running the United States are a really fucked up bunch of people, however, you think it's bad, [if] those fucking dalmatian eating fucking psychopaths that run your fucking countries over there [got] a hold of the U.S.'s resources and you'll see what would happen. The whole fucking Earth would be blown up in six fucking weeks, because your people are a bunch of goddamn lunatics and here's why motherfucker. The Americans are psychopaths? We're fucking amateurs. Here's what you ought to do just before we even get into the meat of the matter, what you ought to do is you ought to put a fucking kibosh on those street celebrations you have where 20,000 of ya are out on the fucking street wearing some shitty clothes that look like they haven't been washed in fucking six weeks with goats firing off automatic weapons up in the air celebrating with the fucking burning fucking George Bush effigies and death to America banners. We know George Bush was a goddamn idiot, but you know what, we also don't really burn people in a fucking street around here for real even if he deserved it, which he did, and you people do, so don't try to tell me about this peaceful fucking Islamic religion when all you see from these goddamn backward ass cave-fucking people's countries are goddamn people burning other people in the streets and throwing them off goddamn roofs, first of all....

>But with the Muslims you're not even safe in fucking Disneyland, so as far as I'm concerned the Muslims have lost the right to be indignant when people knock them or their religion or look at them sideways or like they're scared because when a large number of those people are fucking nuts and regardless of what this guy says what you hear on television or you read in the newspapers and magazines and the things that these religious leaders call [for], the fatwahs on people, and they fucking shoot people for cartoons, if your religion calls for a lot of fucked up things to happen to women or gay people and or anybody that tells you that your God is fictitious and you are easily egged on by all those other religions with their fictitious versions of God telling you your God is fictitious, which they all are by the way, so the only way to get even is to blow up a bunch of people you don't know. No, I'm not onboard with your shit their pal....

>You can't go out and discriminate against or be violent to anybody just because a bunch of their fucking people but not all do bad things, but you can have a group of people who lose their right to be surprised or offended or indignant when they don't like them or look sideways at them or talk bad about them because their group is involved with so many bullshit fucking incidents in so many places over so long a period of fucking time. The fucking Scientologists may not be there yet, but the Muslims are. And once again, memo Iran, Iraq, Pakistan, [if they didn't] look like a goddamn bunch of fucking, you know, nutcases, Ayatollah Who The Fuck and all the goddamn maniacs with all the automatic rifles with the death to America banners, and have a bunch of people jumping up and down screaming like cave people on acid it would help your fucking public relations.

>Yes, and I realise the United States has been fucked up but it doesn't matter even when we get a goddamn guy named Barack Obama in the White House as the leader of the free world and still you think the fucking West is on a goddamn war against Islam? We're in a war against Islam because you keep blowing shit up, motherfucker. So anyway shooting strangers with an AK-47 or blowing up a nightclub in Paris because you're pissed off that you got the wrong end of the stick religiously or politically is not the way that normal people solve their problems and you want to fucking defend your goddamn religion? If it wasn't for this religion, this particular religion, all of these stories are fictitious and made up, there is no invisible, supernatural supreme being, all the stories are bullshit, but yours is the one that people are killing people over, so it's the one I'm going to like the least and there's nothing that you can really do about that because the team that I play for, the atheists, don't fucking kill anybody or blow anybody up, so don't be sending me emails telling me that I need to modify my opinion, motherfucker. How about a large order of fish heads for you? That's my response to you, I don't give a shit."

Source: https://www.cagesideseats.com/cageside-seats-features/2015/12/19/10625820/jim-cornettes-islamophobic-views-have-no-place-in-wrestling
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 05:37:55 EST 4YzAv9tR No.6283203 Reply
>this thread

So many ppl being worked by Cornette because he knows it's easy to work ppl up. I'm sure he still gets along with Mance & doesn't give a shit what anybody else is doing to "the business" with their pockets and invisible men as long as the marks are buzzing about how it's right or wrong.
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Chiva IV - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 05:45:24 EST o6Y2Bqk5 No.6283204 Reply
>>6283201
New wave atheism was a gateway to Islamophobia, I'm so glad that shit is out in the open now
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MsChif - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 06:40:55 EST wfc4Nl90 No.6283208 Reply
>>6283201
Yeah, fuck him for saying Extremist Religion is toxic, We should tolerate all forms of worship, even those that would rather see people dead.

He didn't say every Muslim was a shithead, just the extremist ones in control of places like Iran or SA
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Dale Torborg - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:19:39 EST aZRbVoXh No.6283227 Reply
>People are STILL seething at every single thing corny does

YOU STILL GOT IT *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap*
YOU STILL GOT IT *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap* *clap*
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The Jackyl - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:23:54 EST nFgrWWOB No.6283229 Reply
Anyone who defends this "Invisible Stan" bullshit is what's wrong with modern wrestling. It's shit, unfunny and treats the whole business as a joke. Imagine if there was a Invisible Fighter in the UFC? Yikes.
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Obariyon - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:33:01 EST Hc/Y1GVj No.6283230 Reply
>>6283227
people have a right to get angry from the words of a fucking idiot, let's replace Corny with any other wrestler

>People are STILL seething at every single thing Enzo does
>People are STILL seething at every single thing Seth does
>People are STILL seething at every single thing Vince McMahon does
>People are STILL seething at every single thing Steph does
>People are STILL seething at every single thing JBL does
>People are STILL seething at every single thing Benoit did
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Mitch Ryder - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:33:29 EST 2Uj5wDFm No.6283231 Reply
People upset about the invisible man spot have clearly never seen Miz do a double axehandle off the top.
Once you see that shit on national TV theres no going back to believing anything in wrestling could possibly be real.
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R-Truth - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:40:23 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6283232 Reply
>>6283231
The Miz was a WWE champion.
I can see that being a point where some people stopped watching wrestling altogether.
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:42:00 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283233 Reply
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why do i have the feeling that people are only mad about cornette because he's targeted gcw and omega/the bucks?

>would anyone be ardently defending joey ryan's dickflip this much if that was the subject of jim's rage
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Too Cold Scorpio - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:44:25 EST GXHNtkkw No.6283234 Reply
>>6283231
what if lolwwe and stupid indie kids doing panto shows are both dumb
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Konnan - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:49:19 EST sK8BwNDg No.6283235 Reply
>>6283233
Doing the 'spazzing out about wrestling" gimmick gotten old ages ago, regardless of what dumb spot Jim's raging about
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Matt Striker - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:52:43 EST oBdJrrhd No.6283237 Reply
>>6283231
I feel like a lot of it comes the suspension of disbelief that comes with wrestling and the feeling that certain people and promotions have a sort of "give an inch, take a mile" belief about it that purists find insulting to their intelligence.

I have no horse in this race either way, it's not that hard to not pay attention to stuff that isn't your thing.

But I wouldn't say Jim Cornette's criticism of modern wrestling makes him an idiot anymore than The Young Bucks' criticisms of any opinion that doesn't justify their own shit makes them idiots.

Neither side is objectively right or wrong.
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:57:22 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283239 Reply
>>6283235
>Doing the 'spazzing out about wrestling" gimmick gotten old ages ago
people keep showing jim this stuff. they want to hear him rant about it.

if it got old, why do the bucks, joey ryan, janela & gcw, priscilla kelly NEED to keep responding to him?

jim's actual review of AEW's show have been balanced and no one disagrees with his actual criticisms. fans had the *same* criticisms. but everyone gets butthurt when jim lays it all out there in the bluntest way possible.
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Michael Tarver - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 09:58:08 EST lOPsGSxe No.6283240 Reply
>>6282775
That would put you more than fifty years behind the times, seeing as you didn't even know what Cornette meant.
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:08:59 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283241 Reply
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>>6283237
>Neither side is objectively right or wrong.
Corny is right though. He's elaborated why this shit winds him up: the wrestling business has never really recovered from the death of the territories and now the only way to make real money is to do it Vince's way And Vince's way is self loathing soap opera bullshit

Jim has no problem with comedy in wrestling. But he doesn't like comedy on a wrestling show that spoof the fake-ness of wrestling. Because he thinks its Vince bullshit that killed the business. And he doesn't think this is how guys can make money without Vince. And he's right.

How come Janela hasn't taken the Invisible Man schtick to DEFY or PWG or Beyond? How come GCW hasn't booked the Invisible Man beating Gage for the GCW title? It is a hokey spot that plays to a niche crowd in a small room. (GCW business is good but "small room" compared to the rooms wrestling used to play)
Yeah maybe it just a tiny harmless spot but Brian Last and Twitter aren't showing Mance Warner vs Doug Gilbert to Jim.

Take that guy who always has the anecdotal "whenever i show my non fan friends stuff, they love the goofy stuff"... do they go out of their way to buy a ticket or order a PPV to the next show to see it again? Or do they just laugh and then move on?
These comedy spots pop existing fans and are built on the grounds of going "viral"... but "going viral" doesn't actually lead to making money. Haven't we all learned that by now?
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Diamond Dallas Page - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:12:49 EST 4fGAeyzD No.6283242 Reply
>>6283237
Agreed. Just ignoring things you dont like isnt that hard.
The solution is just to treat wrestling like every other form of entertainment. You can watch a war movie and be fully invested in it and the next day watch some goofy, 4th wall breaking indie kino and enjoy both. Acting like this is different in wrestling is, ironically, being a mark.
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Reno - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:12:56 EST U28QmYT+ No.6283243 Reply
>>6283237
> the feeling that certain people and promotions have a sort of "give an inch, take a mile" belief about it
That's a succinct way to put it.

I'm more likely to enjoy the invisible man gimmick at hoodslam, where the commentators are smoking weed and pouring Jack down the throats of ringside fans. They ask the fans to give a mile and they take all of it. the invisible man run in almost makes sense after a dude presented as scorpion from Mortal Kombat does the "get over here" spear to a super hero with a cereal box for a head.

I'm not sure where the invisible man fits in on a card alongside "gang affiliated" Nick Gage, who is chucking Jimmy Havoc through doors. Then you have a guy with no legs on the same card as a guy with no body. There's such a thing as overdoing it.

Variety is fine, and I don't necessarily go to a show expecting to like every single match, but making each match consistent in presentation and quality is what separates the good shows from the great shows.
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Konnan - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:15:21 EST sK8BwNDg No.6283244 Reply
>>6283239
>if it got old, why do the bucks, joey ryan, janela & gcw, priscilla kelly NEED to keep responding to him?

Because they're geeks.
And yes, outside of people that like arguing about "what is or isn't wrestling," or the people who show Cornette every other gif they can find of some wacky spot so they can force another "Corny is angry about something in wrestling" moment, the shit has gotten tiresome.

What more can be said about how Jim Cornette feels at this point about modern wrestling that hasn't already been said a million times?
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Leticia Kline - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:16:58 EST QQesQNiH No.6283245 Reply
>>6283241
>"going viral" doesn't actually lead to making money. Haven't we all learned that by now?

I'd rephrase this as:
Going viral puts money in everyone's pockets but your own.
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:18:13 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283246 Reply
>>6283241
When Ian Rotten's son had that AIDS scare at his deathmatch show last month, Jim went on this long-ass rant about why he hates deathmatch wrestling. He told this long story about how Ian Rotten ran shitty unsafe death match shows in Louisville, Kentucky -- Jim's home and the home of OVW. Ian's shows were disasters, damaged the buildings, left broken glass & blood on the ground for the families in attendance.

And the state athletic commission stepped in and started regulating pro wrestling in the state Rotten moved IWA MS to Indiana. And Jim had to work extra AND SPEND MORE MONEY to state athletic commissions just to prove that OVW wasn't going to be like an Ian Rotten show.

Jim's whole point is when bad wrestling happens, buildings & commissions decided they don't want to deal with pro wrestling period... or think that "Vince is the only one that knows how to do it right."

His gripes about AEW are the same thing: this is the biggest non-WWE opportunity on TV since WCW and if they fuck it up, TV is not going to be interested in giving non-WWE wrestling another chance. AEW hasn't had its real test yet. Its played to the bubble and its hardcore fans.
Jim hasn't been proven right that gimmicks like the Casino Battle Royale don't draw more money, but he also hasn't been proven wrong. And considering that the bubble of hardcore wrestling fans also think that AEW did a bad job with trying to get those gimmicks over, it means Jim sounds more right than he is wrong. And if the EVPs of AEW are so fucking gotten-to that they want to respond to him on twitter and proudly proclaim that they'd burn money instead of work with him, its not a good sign that they will have the humility to fix their bad small room comedy when its time to play it on a national stage.
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:19:00 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283248 Reply
>>6283245
>Going viral puts money in everyone's pockets but your own.
huh, never thought about it like that. good point.
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Michael Tarver - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:21:46 EST lOPsGSxe No.6283249 Reply
>>6283135
>"See, I can enjoy this. At least they're not trying to trick me into believing it's real."
people like this do not go on to become regular or even casual fans
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MsChif - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:26:17 EST wfc4Nl90 No.6283251 Reply
>>6283224
>don't fucking kill anybody or blow anybody up, so don't be sending me emails telling me that I need to modify my opinion, motherfucker.
Hurrr
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Konnan - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:26:50 EST sK8BwNDg No.6283252 Reply
>>6283245
Depends on who you are, at least. I highly doubt Joey Ryan's making less money on the indies now than he was before that DDT spot with Dieno happened.
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Obariyon - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:28:51 EST Hc/Y1GVj No.6283254 Reply
>>6283229
Anyone who defends this "trans wrestler" bullshit is what's wrong with modern wrestling. It's shit, unfunny and treats the whole business as a joke. Imagine if there was a Trans Fighter in the UFC? Yikes.
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:37:21 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283256 Reply
>>6283252
yeah but he also got turned down by nxt and aew. so that schtick that he crusaded for cost him even more money on the biggest stages.
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Konnan - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:40:25 EST sK8BwNDg No.6283257 Reply
>>6283256
>got turned down by nxt and aew
I understand thinking that he did, but was this ever confirmed or is it just speculation?
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 10:44:13 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283258 Reply
>>6283257
just speculation tbf. Meltz said that NXT only wanted him for a coach role. And the rumor is Tony Khan didn't want the penis gimmick on tv. Joey did a whole "leaving the indies" tour and then on the last date said he was turning the major companies down to stay on the indies. Just seemed like a face-saving tactic.

i don't watch BTE, is he even still on it?
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Rey Mysterio - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:06:28 EST L8WfEMH/ No.6283265 Reply
>>6283258
>just speculation tbf
Then don't make it a declarative statement, asshole
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 11:07:32 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283266 Reply
>>6283265
fine. he most likely got turned down by nxt and aew who didn't want his comedy schtick.
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Christopher Daniels - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:39:44 EST 6hlPiuAq No.6283362 Reply
Look at all the gotten to marks in this thread. This is why Jim Cornette is such a widely-sought after booker filling major arenas.
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Colonel Ninotchka - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:42:41 EST dYhrmb6W No.6283363 Reply
>>6283227
There's a difference in "seething" and pointing out that he's an out-of-touch dinosaur that's lucky he gets booked anywhere.
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Britani Knight - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 14:58:40 EST 4gw1zwR1 No.6283370 Reply
>>6283201
There's literally nothing wrong with what Jim said here. "Islamophobia" is pure bullshit and the left are fucking insane for defending Islam.
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Koko B. Ware - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:12:53 EST KCYPtH3W No.6283381 Reply
>>6282802
What if, listen to this, what if Cornette is working a character? I mean maybe the real person doesnt like silly bullshit but it's obvious that he takes it up to 11 in order to get clicks for his podcast and sell merch. The dude is an old school carny and if you bet this wont be used on MLW to run an angle you are a mark like the rest of em.
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Mikey Whipwreck - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:14:58 EST BcdCWah5 No.6283382 Reply
>>6283363

Jim doesn't want to work anywhere. He's made it clear multiple times that he doesn't miss the road and is happy being at home. He only takes gigs for for shit that appeals to his sensibilities.
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Sgt. Slaughter - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:35:30 EST faeS14E+ No.6283386 Reply
>>6282684
>The goofy shit like that only appeals to hardcore nerd fans. That stuff never plays to casual audiences without groans

Funny, Ive gotten drunk with buddies who dont watch wrestling and shown them Man vs Stan from Spring Break and everyone loved it. Same thing with deathmatches. Every time GCWs in town I bring a couple non-wrestling fans and its always "holy shit that was the best $20 Ive spent in a while" by the time the shows over.
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:46:13 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283388 Reply
>>6283386
this anecdotal stuff never works as definitive evidence.

and even so: is it the same non-fans that go to every GCW show with you? Is GCW converting them into regular fans that follow the promotion and pay to attend multiple shows?
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Octagón - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:50:10 EST b7NZg4wN No.6283391 Reply
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i dont know why jim gets so riled up about joey ryan, russo, orange cassidy, etc. and then praises people like MJF when they're all under the umbrella of lazy ass people who just do the same bit over and over and milk their gimmick until it's bone-dry
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Obariyon - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:52:39 EST PM7gH/4Z No.6283393 Reply
>>6283386
>Funny, Ive gotten drunk with buddies who dont watch wrestling and ...
If you have to get drunk to enjoy something, maybe it's not that enjoyable
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 15:53:59 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283395 Reply
>>6283391
> people who just do the same bit over and over and milk their gimmick until it's bone-dry
that is pro wrestling

he thinks MJF has a good bit and he thinks joey ryan has an awful bit he's not wrong
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Karen Jarrett - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:02:12 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6283397 Reply
>>6283393
nah that dude us rught. i bring non fans to indies and their favorite parts are the hardcore wrestling, flips and comedy. The idea that 80s style wrestling would draw in 2019 is fucking hilarious. Ill tell you why casuals stopped watching. WWE has been trash for over a decade. Thats why.

if any of you guys have friends(hopefully) who dont watch wrestling and show them some stuff i can bet that most will prefer nonWWE. ive showb over 15 non fans WWE and GCW/Impact/local indies/aew/njpw. Not one person liked WWE. all of them thought nakazawa was funny as well.

wrestlig fans are fucking stupid and dont know what casual fans want.
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Sgt. Slaughter - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:06:20 EST faeS14E+ No.6283399 Reply
>>6283388
Follow the promotion? Not really. But theyve still paid to go to multiple shows, so considering theyre non-wrestling fans, thats a pretty decent thing. I usually get at least 1 new person to check it out. Usually people from work being like "yo where were you last night, that looked rad. Let me know when its happening again" or whatever. All Im sayin is normies like deathmatch shit and even goofy comedy stuff thats done right. Cassidy/Janela went over real well with the non-wrestling people I was with at Last Ones Left.
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Karen Jarrett - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:06:52 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6283400 Reply
>>6283398
didnt say dixkflips and didnt say shitty hardcore wrestling. They certainly popped for dick justuce when he fake shot a guy. I have friends asking to go see shows now. I have friends asking to send orange cassidy vids. They dont give a fuck about a nicely worked punch. im sorry
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Karen Jarrett - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:10:39 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6283402 Reply
>>6283398
i should note that these are different groups of friends. All the proof ive had in the past two years is that casuals/nonfans dont care about what twitter diehards and smarks care about. Thats okay. Your more likely to get a pop from a flaming table spot then an okada match from.a non fan. thats how it is. this isnt theory. ive proven it
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Kamala - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 16:34:06 EST XFTQfaQg No.6283409 Reply
>>6283400
Anecdotal stories mean nothing dude. New Japan has grown due to standard wrestling booking that Gedo liked watching in the 80s plus amazing matches.
Non fans give the reaction of "oh my god you watch THAT?" for hardcore nonsense.

WWE was last big when they had amazing characters and feuds. Austin didn't need to fall through a flaming table to get over
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Sgt. Slaughter - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:16:15 EST faeS14E+ No.6283433 Reply
>>6283409
Im not saying "everything needs to be soft comedy kicks or light tubes all the time" Im just saying to use the phrase "this only appeals to the diehard wrestling fanbase" is factually wrong. Normies like to have fun too, and in my experience, they prefer seeing 2 invisible dudes wrestle a match with a gimmicked table that breaks for the finish or dudes busting light tubes over each others faces instead of a 45 minute phenomenally worked match that someone like you or I would write off as an all star classic. But again, this is just my experience.
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:33:17 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283444 Reply
>>6283433
>Normies like to have fun too, and in my experience, they prefer seeing 2 invisible dudes wrestle a match with a gimmicked table that breaks for the finish or dudes busting light tubes over each others faces instead of a 45 minute phenomenally worked match

normies like spectacle and larger than life personalities and attractions. which cornette is also in favor of.

most wrestling is NOT a "45 minute phenomenally worked match" and Cornette is also not advocating for wrestling to be just "45 minute phenomenally worked matches" There's a whole world of variety and middle ground that he's in favor for.

and if we want to get into what normies like: "45 minute phenomenally worked matches" have made millions and millions of dollars more across the world than the invisible man spots that pop the 200-ish attendees of the Summit Park District and the Ukranian Cultural Center
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Konnan - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:39:27 EST sK8BwNDg No.6283449 Reply
Why do people assume casual wrestling fans in 2019 like the same things casual wrestling fans in 1999 liked & that tastes haven't changed?

Hell, why do people assume casual fans only like one certain style of wrestling & not just wrestling that isn't dogshit (which WWE has been for the longest time?)
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Cuije - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:43:30 EST 9BRH49Uc No.6283454 Reply
>>6283449
Because there's no story to people pretending to be retarded in a wrestling ring. What's going to keep them interested? They may stomach a 2 minute youtube clip you send them, but they're not going to sit through 1-2 hours a week on that shit.
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Konnan - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:53:31 EST sK8BwNDg No.6283472 Reply
>>6283454
Who is arguing for no storytelling in wrestling?
Literally all forms of wrestling can have psychology, stars & angles that gets people invested.
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Crimson - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:53:40 EST NbxmdHMb No.6283473 Reply
>>6283449
Because it has literally been that way for a hundred years, not only in Wrestling by other sports

Comedy wrestling isn't a style
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:56:45 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283477 Reply
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>>6283449
>why do people assume casual fans only like one certain style of wrestling & not just wrestling that isn't dogshit
the timeless, universal tenets of pro wrestling are not "one certain style"

>Why do people assume that tastes haven't changed?
the window dressings of 1999 are no longer in fashion. most casual fans would probably be turned off if wrestling was still bros in south park t-shirts cheering at big titted blonds in a bra & panties match set to Limp Bizkit... but the basic intrinsic appeal of pro wrestling is timeless and appeals to fans in 2019, 1999, 1979, 1959 and so on.

Human beings like to watch fights. Pro wrestling is a way for two people to simulate a fight, make money and not actually hurt themselves.

Cornette hates two things: actually hurting yourself (especially for a tiny ass crowd) and deliberately breaking the audience's suspension of disbelief. They go against the fundamental structure of what pro wrestling is supposed to be. Of course there are always going to be small audiences that like post-modern, "meta," and transgressive work that breaks down an artform... but it appeals to a fringe of society. The purpose of wrestling is to make as much money as possible from as many people as people. When you play to the fringe, you're literally doing it wrong. Unless you purposely want to play to that audience like a Chikara, Colt Cabana, Kaiju Big Battel, Hoodslam kinda thing

It pisses Cornette off when guys who have done really well playing to the fringe tell him that they know more about how to do it when they've literally never performed for as many people as he has.
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Jonathan Coachman - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 17:58:51 EST 7SkqhvG6 No.6283480 Reply
>>6283249

You're probably right, but making wrestling SUPER SRS BSNS isn't going to make them fans either. If it did, they would be fans already. The general consensus is usually "Why would I watch this fake stuff that I already know is fake when I could just watch the real stuff?" You either love pro wrestling or you don't. There's nothing that will change that.

The point I was trying to make is that non-fans don't watch the silly stuff and scoff or look down on it. The only people I see doing that are actual wrestling fans who are still somehow insecure about their fandom all these years later, probably due to being bullied over it in grade school. I will never understand the desire that wrestling fans have to get the casuals back. Why do you need the approval of non-fans to make you feel secure about your hobby? Pro wrestling is one of the coolest things in the world. I don't need anyone to back me up on that. I certainly don't need it to be accepted by the mainstream.

Honestly, I'd probably lose a lot of interest if wrestling was accepted by the masses. It's been shunned for so long that I barely remember it being any other way. Unlike most, I embraced it for what it was instead of trying to hide my love of it. It would just feel weird if everyone liked it now. I barely even remember what that was like. Besides, the mainstream ruins literally everything. Hence why I watch indie wrestling exclusively. There's no way the mainstream would ever be able to replicate the outlaw-mudshow-horseshit style of pro wrestling that my heart desires. It's inherently against the grain. Once it's accepted by the masses, it's not that way anymore.
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Konnan - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:08:26 EST sK8BwNDg No.6283487 Reply
>>6283477
>the timeless, universal tenets of pro wrestling are not "one certain style"
Yes, that's literally the point of that post. Because that appeal can be reached through all sorts of different styles, even comedy. Well-done comedy from guys like Stalker Ichikawa, YTR, SaiRyo & Kikutaro at least.
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Karen Jarrett - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:09:09 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6283488 Reply
>multiple people give proof of friends who are non wrestling fans enjoying gcw, indies, aew and njpw.
>marks saying we're wrong

bitch i watched 3+ hour ppvs with non fans a shit ton of times and every time they pop for hardcore stuff, gimmicks, comedy, flips and stiff wrestling. Thats just how it is. its fine. When i watched summerslam with some friends ppl fell asleep. wrestlemania..same thing happened.

Non fans want to go to a wrestling show and eat a hot dog anf have a beer and cheer and chant and have a good time. They dont want to neet it up on /wooo/ discussig cornette tweets and star ratings or a well timed worked punch. Ive had friends even say they find the punches lame as fuck. I disagree with most of their taste but i cant pretend its not true that they tend to enjoy a certain type of wrestling.

i notice the ppl without any antidotes are the ones shitting on the indie style the most. Could it be that you dont go to shows live and dont actually have friends to even know what non fans like?
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Karen Jarrett - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:14:36 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6283492 Reply
>>6283488
Also I am a fan of old school wrestling but I also see the merit in Orange Cassidy because I'm not a boomer begging for more 55 year olds to show up to events.
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Crimson - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:17:02 EST NbxmdHMb No.6283496 Reply
>>6283488
>Give proof
It's anecdotal. Sure I had a friend who saw a guy called Big Beef and thought it was funny but does that mean millions on TV would like that? No.

If that style was really popular Chikara wouldn't be in high school gyms still.

The only times I've been embarrassed to be a wrestling fan was at an indie show funny enough

When was the last time wrestling was super popular? It wasn't due to dumb comedy shit
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:19:25 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283497 Reply
>>6283480
>making wrestling SUPER SRS BSNS isn't going to make them fans either.
point to the time when Cornette has advocated for this

>b-b-but ROH Davey Eddie clones
When Cornette took over ROH, it was still on HDNet and the alternatives were WWE and TNA. Jim repeatedly said that he was positioning ROH to be a sports-like alternative to those two that would get rid of all the Vince Russo garbage & Kevin Dunn wannabe Hollywood shit. He looked to the UFC as who was doing pro wrestling right in 2010: https://www.baltimoresun.com/bs-mtblog-2010-06-qa_with_jim_cornette_1-story.html
Thats why he dropped Joey Ryan, Super Smash Bros, Colt, Generico and Steen, he didn't think they looked the part he was right

Now take a look at this: its a demo he made for TV stations for Smoky Mountain in 1995: https://youtu.be/x1fR2UBciK8
Its filled with blood and ladder spots and fireballs. He's clearly not against selling over-the-top spectacle.
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Booker T - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:21:40 EST 9Swo6F5K No.6283499 Reply
>>6283370
Eradicate white people religions like christianity and judaism first, then we can talk about critizing Islam
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:23:56 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283500 Reply
>>6283488
>marks saying we're wrong
no one is saying that. people are just pointing out that anecdotal examples like that don't prove anything other than your personal experience.

i've taken non fans to chikara & gcw shows who liked some stuff and got bored by other stuff. I was just at a bar in nyc on sunday night watching summerslam with a crowd of casual who liked seeing Goldberg and Charlotte and the New Day and were bored with Ricochet and don't seem to care about AEW. Their experience are as equally valid as your non-fan experiences.

one thing that's not anecdotal though is box office. And when it comes to box office, funny and hardcore and flippy shit have never drawn nearly the same amount of money as the kind of wrestling Cornette raves about
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Karen Jarrett - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:26:30 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6283505 Reply
>>6283496
I'm not saying ONLY comedy draws but I am saying that a lot of people enjoy it and people need to stop pointing to the past as an example of when wrestling drew as if that would work in the current era.

I actually enjoy Cornette but his die hard fans drive me crazy. Same with Meltzer diehards. These people make mistakes and it's okay. We shouldn't let old men who are closer to death dictate what wrestling should and shouldn't be.

And it my case it wasn't one friend it was over 15 people with a variety of wrestling shows from all over the world. At the end of the day I think most people actually agree in this thread but then there are some extremes where people have their mouth wrapped around Cornettes testicles. Some comedy here and there is okay when it's done correctly. Hardcore/deathmatch wrestling is a spectacle and should be protected. Storytelling is needed. Gimmicks can be fun. Young Bucks still suck. Not even non-fans like Young Bucks.
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Crimson - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:33:27 EST NbxmdHMb No.6283514 Reply
>>6283505
And people enjoyed ECW, Smokey Mountain, etc. Doesn't mean that's what historically did the biggest business.

Big stars still draw. See UFC. See NBA when LeBron is playing vs when he isn't.

Oh wow 15 people???? Totally an accurate sample size of millions of wrestling fans.

Colt Cabana made a good living on the indies, but he'd never ever be the top guy in WWE or New Japan
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Konnan - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:37:29 EST sK8BwNDg No.6283516 Reply
>>6283514
Who is saying that's what did the biggest business?
I mean to be honest, a lot of the biggest stars in wrestling got to that level through a lot of "right place, right time" & lightning in the bottle moments, anyways.
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:38:10 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283517 Reply
>>6283505
>Some comedy here and there is okay when it's done correctly. Hardcore/deathmatch wrestling is a spectacle and should be protected. Storytelling is needed. Gimmicks can be fun. Young Bucks still suck.
these are literally Cornette's points

>And it my case it wasn't one friend it was over 15 people
still anecdotal

>people need to stop pointing to the past as an example of when wrestling drew as if that would work in the current era
the current era doesn't draw. Something's clearly not working. the wrestling business is in the shitter. the fanbase has never been smaller. Meltz has reported this a bunch: its a small niche that are spending more money than ever. There really aren't all these different active groups that are financially propping up GCW and ROH and MLW and Chikara. Its just hardcore wrestling fans paying for everything.
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:41:58 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283520 Reply
>>6283516
> a lot of the biggest stars in wrestling got to that level through a lot of "right place, right time" & lightning in the bottle moments

I know people hate the term "the it factor" but it is real and it is proven. Hogan and Flair and Austin and Dusty and the Rock were more than just "right place, right time". They were born different, they had unique talents and drive and they protected their starpower by not doing small room bullshit.
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Karen Jarrett - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:43:16 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6283521 Reply
>>6283517
ROH/NJPW held an event at MSG and AEW has had endless sell outs. It's not dying.
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Karen Jarrett - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:46:43 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6283523 Reply
>>6283522
Jon Moxley is another former deathmatch wrestler. Kenny Omega is a star regardless of what people want to think about the Elite n shit.

Also...you don't want your entire card to be Stone Colds. I can't even start to explain why Cornette is wrong. My local indie gets bigger every single year. Just because WWE and WCW are not shitting up the entire wrestling world for a decade doesn't mean wrestling is in a bad place right now. There is a lot of great stuff out there and closing your eyes to it is just stupid.
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Luther Reigns - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:48:22 EST o+ijn+o3 No.6283525 Reply
>>6283522
Are you saying cactus Jack is "one of the biggest stars of wrestling" on par with Hogan, Rock, Austin, etc.?

If not, it would help if you posted complete sentences.
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Karen Jarrett - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:48:30 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6283526 Reply
>>6283521
Also, AAA has been drawing great ratings and selling out shows. NJPW sells out tons of shows and is still very hot in Japan. Just because WWE sucks doesn't mean wrestling sucks. NB.
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Crimson - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:49:52 EST NbxmdHMb No.6283529 Reply
>>6283523
Moxley wasn't doing constant death matches in WWE. Kenny didn't do goofy DDT shit in New Japan

No one said the whole card is stone colds. Even Jim Crockett had Jimmy Valiant. But Valiant didn't fight and invisible man.
Stone Cold is what drew though, not Kaientai or Too Cool.
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:57:49 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283533 Reply
>>6283521
>ROH/NJPW held an event at MSG
and how is ROH doing attendance-wise just 4 months later?
how big was the attendance for G1 USA? how are ticket sales doing for Super J Cup? What size buildings are they playing in for the September East Coast tour? Same size as MSG? Bigger?

>AEW has had endless sell outs
was the attendance for Fight For the Fallen bigger than Double or Nothing? Are they playing to ALL IN-sized buildings for weeks 2 & 3 of TV?

Look I'm not going to deny that AEW hasn't been impressive but they also haven't really been tested as THE alternative to WWE yet.

ALL IN/G1 Supercard were part of a moment in time. It took multiple promotions to work together to fill those buildings and history repeats itself: they all fell out of favor with each other afterward. Look up Superclash 85; pretty much the same thing as ALL IN.

NJPW's Long Beach shows saw diminished attendance with each repeat... even when they were headlined by the Elite. Once the novelty of "first time ever" was gone and it wasn't the 4th of July, there actually were not enough fans who cared enough to keep coming back. ROH's business started dropping in fall 2018 after ALL IN when the Elite were still headlining

DoN and ALL IN are "first time" PPV events in major cities during summer 3 holiday weekends. And Wrestlemania and Summerslam still draw despite the tarps being pulled out for Raw and Smackdown. AEW's first real actual test is proving that their idea of what is mainstream is going to draw big numbers on wednesday nights 52 times a year They're going to have to come up with a reason to make the 7th PPV as hype as the first one.

So far, I remain skeptical that their idea of what is creative doesn't have a short shelf life. And when your identity is just "we're going to head with WWE," you end up with Dixie Carter's TNA.
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 18:59:04 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283534 Reply
>>6283532
what is supposed to prove. A surprise spot is not the same thing as "drawing money"

There's a reason Austin feuded with Rikishi and not Gradmaster Sexay
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:00:48 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283536 Reply
>>6283526
>AAA has been drawing great ratings and selling out shows
how are their MSG ticket sales?
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Crimson - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:08:55 EST NbxmdHMb No.6283541 Reply
>>6283532
Lmfao yeah Scotty 2 Hotty was one of the top stars in 2000! Getting a big reaction doesn't mean you are why people buy a ticket
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Booker T - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:12:26 EST 9Swo6F5K No.6283543 Reply
Replace "invisible" with "trans" or "muslim" and you see the direction of where Cornette and his cult are heading.
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Shark GIrl (Male) - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:24:29 EST sBJ6SVWI No.6283549 Reply
>>6283543
Invisible People, regardless of gender or religion have no place in Sports Entertainment
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:25:15 EST aYdd1DeT No.6283551 Reply
Cornette is a hideously out of touch retard and deserves nothing but scorn and ridicule.

>>6282690
Goddamn Matt is based as hell.
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Super Crazy - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:33:01 EST deGM2g0B No.6283559 Reply
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No one show Cornette Colin "Bomber" Harris v. Colin "Bomber" Harris from 1974.
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Vader - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:35:37 EST QdEjBP+k No.6283561 Reply
I was wondering when someone would inform Jim that Mance does deathmatches and shit. I never understood why he really liked Mance either considering he's not all that great and he's just doing a bad Steve Austin impression.

I like Jim a lot and agree with him on most things but I find his followers creepy as fuck. They're like Ben Shapiro's sycophants who parrot all his talking points and don't think for themselves. Deathmatches and comedy wrestling are stupid as shit, yeah, but it can still be fun and I don't think someone is the scum of the earth for doing it. I don't think it appeals to the mainstream but pro wrestling in general doesn't appeal to the mainstream. Mainstream popularity comes and goes, sometimes with little no rhyme or reason. Did anyone really think that Stunning Steve Austin, the annoying commentator Vince McMahon, and a stolen invasion angle from Japan would go onto being the biggest things in wrestling during the 90s? And outside of those three, there was a lot of fucking garbage to sift through. A lot of comedy and borderline deathmatch wrestling, too, what do 'ya know.

And fuck Ryan Satin.
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Paul Roma - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:48:44 EST Ao7J/88K No.6283565 Reply
>>6283488
What you are failing to realise is your social bias in this situation. Your friends who you have things in common with would actually indulge your hobbie? Shock..
Your Friends who probably have similar niche interests such as video games enjoying goofy nerdy shit designed to appeal to that demographic is not the same as a random sample of non fans.
Load up tinder and send a link to the invisible man match to a bunch of randoms an see what reaction you get....
You can say that they watched and enjoyed but fell asleep during WWE shows and that is something i can believe but the point being that there is clearly more (multi millions more) people who chose not to watch said style of wrestling.
For the record i popped for the invisible man on the first spring break, it fit in to the clusterfuck match and was wacky but i can see the other side which is an old fella who needs wrestling to succeed and stay relevant in order to make a living. If AEW blows the doors off and sparks a new boom (not happening) then Jim's paycheck gets an extra 0 on the end, so makes sense why hes so irate about things he sees as preventing that from happening
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R.D. Evans - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:52:21 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283568 Reply
>>6283561
>I find his followers creepy as fuck. They're like Ben Shapiro's sycophants who parrot all his talking points and don't think for themselves
Jim is working them for money

>I don't think someone is the scum of the earth for doing it
I don't think Cornette thinks Mance is scum and should be blacklisted. And he'd probably still love to work a program with him, he'd probably just tell him to cut the comedy shit out.

He clearly doesn't hate the Bucks... or rather, he doesn't actually hate them so much that he would turn down money.

Now I think he actually hates Joey Ryan... but Joey was a bitch who tried to snitch-tag beIn Sports and get him fired by taking his comments about Sonny Kiss out of context. And Ryan Satin gladly tried to boost Joey's attempt. They suck and I'm glad Jim called them out.
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Konnan - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 19:54:12 EST sK8BwNDg No.6283570 Reply
>>6283529
>Kenny didn't do goofy DDT shit in New Japan
No, he just did a bunch of other dub comedy spots/gimmicks
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Zach Gowen - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:05:30 EST 9Swo6F5K No.6283588 Reply
>>6283568
Nothing was taken out of context in that. To some transvestite is the gay equivalent of n-word
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Lin Bairon - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:05:37 EST L4YJHN0X No.6283589 Reply
>>6283393
People get drunk watching stuff they like all the time, shut-in

t. totaler
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Jim Johnston - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:15:00 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283594 Reply
>>6283588
>Nothing was taken out of context in that. To some transvestite is the gay equivalent of n-word
And the next week, Jim said he had no idea "transvestite" had become a slur because he knew people who identified as that, and then he apologized to Sonny Kiss for hurting his feelings. Joey Ryan and Ryan Satin and whatever trolling thing you're doing now tried to get him fired as if he intended to hurt people by knowingly using the phrase in a disparaging manner.
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Becky Bayless - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:17:45 EST QdEjBP+k No.6283595 Reply
>>6283588

I still fail to see what exactly Jim said that was so offensive. It was misinformed and a little insensitive, but it wasn't bigoted. I'll take all of the positive things Jim has said about LGBT people (including trans) and put it up against one thing he said about Sonny Kiss that, at most, can be viewed as a poor choice of words.
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Lin Bairon - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:22:40 EST L4YJHN0X No.6283597 Reply
>Blrlo is STILL licking Jim's Corny-hole

Even for the biggest TNA Meccunt on the board this is embarrassing.

>>6283497
>Thats why he dropped Joey Ryan, Super Smash Bros, Colt, Generico and Steen, he didn't think they looked the part

That's why they're all doing real well for themselves right now, while Eddie Edwards is on...impact...sometimes and Davey Richards has to keep retiring because nobody wants to book him.

>>6283536
How are Impact's?

>>6283538
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Macho Man Randy Savage - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:25:12 EST o+ijn+o3 No.6283599 Reply
>>6283588
>To some
Like your one friend (who no one's met)? Or some guy on Twitter with 3 followers?
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Player Dos - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:25:13 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6283600 Reply
>>6283597
Why do you follow that guy around everywhere and shit on him? Most of the time he posts some pretty logical things. I disagree with a lot his Cornette stuff in this thread but I don't treat him the way you do. Also, Impact is a good show...
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Lin Bairon - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:34:18 EST L4YJHN0X No.6283605 Reply
>>6283600
>"follow around everywhere"

It's a tiny board. And he's the smelliest turd on it.
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Lin Bairon - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:48:15 EST L4YJHN0X No.6283615 Reply
>>6283608
You have been shitting up this board for literally years.

>"rent-free"

pls go back
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Jim Johnston - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:54:30 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283618 Reply
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>>6283615
>pls go back
to what? your mother's asshole? i was just there last night
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Celt !BzcOsK03.w - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 20:58:55 EST Zr7ATTLc No.6283622 Reply
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Personally attack each other one more time, I have a ban button

(Attack the argument, not the person, or mods step in)

This post was edited by Celt on 13-08-2019 20:59:41
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Zach Gowen - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 21:05:12 EST 9Swo6F5K No.6283629 Reply
Why are we not discussing his intense hatred of muslims?
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El Generico - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:07:20 EST oOLczIsv No.6283712 Reply
>>6283629
Most people in America hate Muslims. Not endorsing it, but most Americans are fearful of Islam, the Honorable Elijah Muhammad, and the Honorable Louis Farrakhan, in particular.
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Super Shisa - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:15:17 EST Zr7ATTLc No.6283719 Reply
>>6283712
>people giving a fuck about Nation of Islam anymore

Is this post coming to us from the year 1996?
What are your hot takes on Spike Lee's behaviour at Knicks games?
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Leva Bates - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 22:20:46 EST GXHNtkkw No.6283723 Reply
I ship Cornette Muslim fags and Lars Racism fags
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Hardcore Holly - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 23:07:28 EST gh69CKgg No.6283749 Reply
>>6283497
If we're talking outside of America, hardcore and flippy draws very well. Lucha Libre alternates between blood and flips all the time. La Parka (the fake one) pops Mexican crowds by dancing and lightly facefucking people. The biggest modern name in AAA is an actual clown who got over by indiscriminately hitting dudes with a strap.

All Japan's biggest star in the 90s was the flippiest dude of the Four Pillars. Fucking Onita was bigger than Jesus and deathmatches drew huge. Dragon Gate (flips) and DDT (comedy) fight for #2 in Japan right now.

Even if you're trying to make wrestling more MMA like, casual MMA fans like Pro Wrestling garbage. Look at Conor, Chael, Jones and DC being Shawn and Bret. Look at the actual WWE guys who had all the money thrown at them to work dates. 2010 MMA was a freakshow, and Corny completely missed that.

Sweeping off Steen when Big Country existed was the stupidest fucking thing Corny has done that didn't involve a Muslim.
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Leva Bates - Tue, 13 Aug 2019 23:19:38 EST GXHNtkkw No.6283756 Reply
>>6283749
>La Parka (the fake one) pops Mexican crowds by dancing and lightly facefucking people. The biggest modern name in AAA is an actual clown who got over by indiscriminately hitting dudes with a strap.
Psycho does the dong to face spot too with similarly positive response from the crowd.
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Icarus - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 03:30:32 EST agsUpXDm No.6283806 Reply
I dont get why people get worked by Cornette so damn hard.

Wrestling is in a slump so maybe people need to take a step back and have a look why. Ill admit I laughed the first time I saw the hand grenade or the dick flip but now its just lame as fuck.
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Ric Flair - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 03:48:57 EST HBLWC/LC No.6283810 Reply
>>6283806
It's not a work unless it draws money.

People telling the embarrassing old fool to keep quiet is not drawing.
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The Miz - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 03:54:41 EST sWy8jpny No.6283811 Reply
>>6283409
>Austin didn't need to fall through a flaming table to get over
You could argue all the shit Foley did during their feud was what got Triple H over as a main eventer.

There's no one way to get over, which is what WWE can't understand: either by trying to force the same thing over and over until it works or by ignoring what is currently working until it's too late to capitalise on (and then forcing it too much that it becomes a turn off)
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Ric Flair - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 03:58:59 EST HBLWC/LC No.6283812 Reply
>>6283811
Austin might not have need to go through a burning table but getting busted open against Hitman didn't hurt.
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Rico - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 07:35:06 EST deGM2g0B No.6283834 Reply
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>>6283409
>Austin didn't need to fall through a flaming table to get over

No, he needed to say "ASS" and "BITCH" five times per promo and give the finger, at a time when these were things A) pro wrestling didn't do, and B) prime time TV didn't really do.

If Austin had JUST been booked strongly, like he was, he would've been "Steve Austin: wrestling star". Because they were able to do cool and shocking things, like swearing, he became Steve Austin: actual celebrity.
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Jim Johnston - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 09:12:03 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283841 Reply
>>6283834
>he needed to say "ASS" and "BITCH" five times per promo
that was the cherry on top of a cool character that was getting over, not the sole reason
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 10:46:25 EST wfc4Nl90 No.6283873 Reply
>>6283841
I agree to a segree but then you have to consider the Austin 3:16 promo and how some folks were up in arms over that "blaspheme"
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Rob Van Dam - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:04:47 EST WxNQVmT0 No.6283880 Reply
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>>6283873
Lol. They won't even say crucifix or cross on TV anymore for fear of upsetting some conservative smarks. They have to use a "crucix" as a prop.
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Justin Gabriel - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 11:11:55 EST Uz1bd5r7 No.6283884 Reply
>>6283880
They edited out Brays head lantern of the Youtube. I wouldn't be suprised if that was last time we saw that.
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Player Dos - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 13:44:10 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6283932 Reply
>>6282675
so we all agree that sometimes blood, guts and comedy draw and thag orane cassidy rules and Mance Warner is based and Cornette is a dinosaur with some funny tweets. okay good.
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Shark GIrl (Male) - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 13:48:24 EST sBJ6SVWI No.6283933 Reply
>>6283932
I like Cornette. I think he's entertaining and I think he's generally got a mind for good wrestling. But I think there's a time and a place for anything. Nobody is going to Chikara expecting ultra serious blood feuds.
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Jim Johnston - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:35:08 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283949 Reply
>>6283932
>so we all agree that sometimes blood, guts and comedy draw and thag orane cassidy rules and Mance Warner is based and Cornette has some funny tweets.
yes

>and Cornette is a dinosaur
no. too many people are conflating personal taste with box office. the name of the game is making money and in that category, cornette has more hits than misses. just because justin bieber's music sucks, it doesn't mean you can deny that he's made money or that other people like it.

i'm not saying you need to like Cornette's perspective on what draws or like how he says it, i'm just saying its obnoxious as fuck when people try to dismiss him because "muh smoky mountain"

Until Orange Cassidy and No-Legs and Joey Ryan draw bigger ratings on TNT than WWE, it has not yet been proven that "play wrestling" is the new thing that's going to bring in the casuals.
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Player Dos - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:45:04 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6283968 Reply
>>6283949
Orange Cassidy is better then no legs and joey ryan. Has anyone on /wooo/ even watched more then one Orange Cassidy match? The dude can actually work. His gimmick is that he doesn't give a fuck about wrestling until his opponent breaks him and then he has to pull out all the stops to win. He's a great wrestler.

Joey Ryan and No legs dude are fucking shit and people need to stop comparing them.
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Cliff Compton - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:47:17 EST AAX4i0gm No.6283969 Reply
>>6283952
LOOK AT THIS OUTLAW MUDSHOW BULLSHIT YOU BUCK TOOTHED MOTHERFUCKER SON OF A BITCH I'LL KILL YOU
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Player Dos - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:49:49 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6283973 Reply
>>6282675
Meltzer and Cornette both contradict themselves constantly nowadays. It's fine. I respect both of them for everything they have done but they are massive hypocrytes as they get older and it comes it doesn't take any digging to even see this. I hear Meltzer and Cornette prove themselves wrong on their podcasts constantly.

The problem is that they don't ever have any humility about it and just pretend they are always right all the time. It's a horrible character trait imo. Whenever I meet someone who can never admit their wrong it just makes me not like them. Sometimes people are wrong. Everyone.
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Jim Johnston - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:53:59 EST BlrIoG3o No.6283976 Reply
>>6283968
yeah i know that. i've been to several gcw shows.
i can also say that i don't think AEW did a very good job presenting his gimmick at the battle royal and whoever is booking needs to put in work and do a better job at presenting cassidy.

>Orange Cassidy is better then no legs and joey ryan.
that really doesn't matter to the audience who has never seen any of them and AEW needs to depend on to become a success. stop conflating "this guy is popular inside the hardcore fan bubble" with "this guys sucks and everyone hates him!"
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Big John Gaburik - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 17:28:33 EST TfK/OYkA No.6284010 Reply
And when none of that happens, what then?
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Kensuke Sasaki - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:10:38 EST 5l17+F3R No.6284027 Reply
>>6283986
Orange Cassidy is maybe better than my balls on a fucking grinder
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Big John Gaburik - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:13:17 EST TfK/OYkA No.6284030 Reply
>>6283594
Transvestite has no stigma attached to it, since it was never used in a derogatory way, like the f word, the n word etc. To claim otherwise is pseudo sentimental nonsense at its worst so dont fall into that trap.

Had the term 'cutie' been used, then there might be more of a claim
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Brooklyn Brawler - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 18:17:37 EST s1ejcSMI No.6284037 Reply
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>>6283203
>Jim says something stupid
>People laugh at his shit take
>"w-worked ya!"
Based Corny.
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Rico - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 19:43:37 EST deGM2g0B No.6284067 Reply
>>6283841
Oh, certainly, but the fact that he had actual edge, not pro wrestling-edge, and that your average fan's parents probably hated him helped him get over to a much wider audience than if he had done wrestling the traditional way.
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The Rock - Wed, 14 Aug 2019 20:38:37 EST GXHNtkkw No.6284081 Reply
>>6284067
he hit a good sweet spot of being an appealing to dads as a hard drinking working man redneck, moms as a sexy bald muscular redneck, and kids as a guy who said ass and bitch and hit people
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Rorschach - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:05:31 EST HBLWC/LC No.6284135 Reply
>>6283932
Cornette ain't funny. It's sad watching an old man throw temper tantrums.
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Joel Maximo - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:17:33 EST gh69CKgg No.6284145 Reply
I feel like all this Austin talk is completely ignoring how he had the absolute best villain to play off of for his character: Vincent Kennedy DAMMIT ACHOO McMahon. He also had the best foil for his character in The Rock.

That's what made Austin (and Rocky, and the Attitude Era) shoot into the stratosphere: a trio of characters that played perfectly off of each other.
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Rorschach - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:23:13 EST HBLWC/LC No.6284148 Reply
>>6284145
Austin was molten over before "Mr. McMahon" was anything more than a teased concept
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Curt Hawkins - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 00:30:05 EST oOLczIsv No.6284151 Reply
>>6283719
Dude I'm ngl I've been listening to a lot of Public Enemy lately and that's my motivation.

But you would be surprised, the NOI still freaks some people out. I need to try one of their bean pies though.
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Rorschach - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 01:17:54 EST HBLWC/LC No.6284158 Reply
>>6284152
Austin turned face @ WrestleMania 13 and was the most popular guy on the roster for half-a-year before that.
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Rorschach - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 01:22:04 EST HBLWC/LC No.6284160 Reply
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>>6283712
LOUIS FARRAKHAN WILL BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES
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Joel Maximo - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 01:56:14 EST gh69CKgg No.6284162 Reply
>>6284158
Austin was super goddamned over, that's undeniable, but he was a cool heel leading to WM13. With the WM13 double turn, the face/heel dynamic between Bret and Austin was different in America and Canada. Canadians still considered Bret the face and Austin the heel.

WM13 made Austin a star, but it didn't make him the G.I.A.N.T.
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Owen Fart - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 02:24:32 EST zwoGFhDe No.6284169 Reply
>320 posts and 39 images omitted. Click View Thread to read

corny still working the marks like a pro
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Hajime Ohara - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 02:52:43 EST sz2of1xM No.6284171 Reply
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>>6284169
This proves that wrestling fans and so called smarks too, are idiots.
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Onyx - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 05:12:20 EST kY08DZ3v No.6284185 Reply
Jim Cornette was one of the major creative forces behind Kane and all that nonsense.

Jim Cornette literally releases videos not just going in depth about how wrestling is entirely fake, but the psychology behind why it's fake and how they fake it.

What these guys say on their podcasts and on social media is the post-kayfabe way of working for a living. In a way these guys are keeping the dream alive. There is some honor in this kind of trolling. Especially when life long diehard fans refuse to believe that someone could be pulling their leg and pretending to care about something for entertainment value.

It's called devil's advocate and it's the easiest way to get noticed especially as a wrestler or entertainer. You find a topic, take a hard stance and argue it to the end. That's a show in itself.
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Nicky - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 14:53:33 EST 2FsU4OSk No.6284341 Reply
>>6284169
most of the thread is about islam, stone cold and orange cassidy. Discussing wrestling on a wresting board is not being worked.
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Kanyon - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:36:15 EST AAX4i0gm No.6284355 Reply
>>6284169
And just how much money did these 320 posts and 39 images earn Cornette ?
Cos that's what "work" actually means, to con money out of a mark.
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Bo Rotundo - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 15:47:21 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6284357 Reply
>>6284355
this thread and all the twitter commentary is free promotion for his podcast and appearances, which he definitely makes money from
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Kanyon - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 16:12:05 EST AAX4i0gm No.6284364 Reply
>>6284357
>this thread and all the twitter commentary is free promotion
Is it though?
Really?
Can you show me how a thread on an imageboard equates directly to Corny making solid real money you can account for?
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R.D. Evans - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 17:48:38 EST iPgSV2b0 No.6284392 Reply
>>6282685
He’s write about this. Why the fuck do these guys need to be verified? Anyone trying to imitate them?
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Tursas - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 19:47:55 EST 1ZQ/jXbM No.6284462 Reply
>>6284364
In what way does promotion equate directly to anyone making solid real money?

It's generally an expense, but feel free to bump this thread and give Jim more free publicity.
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RegalMachine RGM-79 !Ro1w0thJao - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 22:29:27 EST 9+kvF4WR No.6284530 Reply
>>6284490
Old man Ron Wight busting a young up and comer with some knuckle dusters.
I wonder what the symbolism could be?
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Roxxi Laveaux - Thu, 15 Aug 2019 22:46:13 EST XSnsSHQp No.6284540 Reply
>>6282768
I hope you win the gold with those mental gymnastics you piece of fucking shit.

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