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Triple H literally takes credit for AEW being a thing.

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!zWb42fBPMM - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:26:48 EST It2BUKqt No.6294551
File: 1568136408339.jpg -(78109B / 76.28KB, 600x338) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Triple H literally takes credit for AEW being a thing.
>As far as national television goes, NXT will debut two weeks before AEW, but Levesque points out that in reality, his brand has an even larger head start.

>“If you talk about the upstart, what they’re going out and saying is that they’re an alternative,” Levesque said. “We were that alternative five years ago. We opened the door for being an alternative, we opened the door to show people that it can be done on a bigger level and on a different basis. As far as being the alternative, great, go put on the best show you can put out, and we’ll put out the best one we can put out.”

https://sports.yahoo.com/d-generation-nxt-paul-triple-h-levesque-and-shawn-michaels-help-shape-ww-es-future-120010930.html
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A.J. Styles - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:29:57 EST x6BN3rA/ No.6294557 Reply
What a gotten to bitchman lol
Just say nothing. no sell them.
Both sides should be doing that.
This shit is pretty af
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Tank Abbott - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:30:36 EST naM+chpv No.6294558 Reply
A little too in his WWE bubble.
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:47:41 EST wfc4Nl90 No.6294564 Reply
>>6294551
>you see in this business quite frankly we did it all first and after its all said and done and the smoke clears I'm heading to the back to get yelled at by my senile step father for sneezing earlier this week.
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Sinn Bodhi - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:52:52 EST Ybchf0OF No.6294565 Reply
So it will be his fault if AEW does better ratings than NXT?
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Devon - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 13:55:39 EST pEXfIRkf No.6294568 Reply
It's what you'd expect him to say. I've rolled my eyes at enough "based Haitch" and "NXT =/= WWE" posts to know that there are plenty of people who buy into the BS.
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Greg The Hammer Valentine - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 14:15:29 EST 1Ou8gBWw No.6294571 Reply
"WE STARTED THE WAR WHEN WE DROVE A SHERMAN TANK TO THE WCW, BROTHER."
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Leticia Kline - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 14:22:22 EST d1obD4PJ No.6294572 Reply
people will actually believe this.
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StarBuck - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 14:27:44 EST jEGuiRVR No.6294576 Reply
>We opened the door for being an alternative, we opened the door to show people that it can be done on a bigger level and on a different basis.
And all we needed was my father in law to give me an open cheque-book, brother. It doesn't matter we lose money, it doesn't matter we have more talent than we know what to do with.. All that matters is no one else has them and they drink our kool-aid.
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Rizokahn - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 14:28:33 EST hTSUcuhc No.6294577 Reply
According to Hunter, the alternative to WWE is....WWE.
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Beth Phoenix - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:09:55 EST xE1zqxo2 No.6294589 Reply
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>>6294577

It makes sense when you think about it, If it weren't for the wwe there would be no indies.
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Big John Studd - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:16:53 EST WuGJ2oLB No.6294591 Reply
>>6294551
They are the alternative....to dumb fucks who think NXT is a separate company and not just the developmental brand of WWE.
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Mr. Anderson - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:49:12 EST cfOXxE22 No.6294598 Reply
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>We were that alternative

Hahahahaha fucking hell, the sad thing is some Stamford Wives will eat that shit up and start parroting it
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Andy Ridge - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 15:57:13 EST Jyafr0HS No.6294602 Reply
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You see, AEW, in this business...
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Steve The Turtle Weiner - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 16:10:45 EST b6Ee22oP No.6294611 Reply
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>We were that alternative five years ago
>We opened the door for being an alternative
This motherfucker...
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Devon - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 16:19:52 EST pEXfIRkf No.6294618 Reply
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>>6294551
>We opened the door for being an alternative, we opened the door to show people that it can be done on a bigger level and on a different basis.

I bet the door had an EXIT sign over it.
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RegalMachine RGM-79 !Ro1w0thJao - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 16:40:08 EST F0Ox2SDr No.6294628 Reply
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Oh, Like how Diet Coke is an alternate to Coke, or Coke Zero is the alternative to Diet Coke.
It all makes sense guys when you look at it from a corporate stooge point of view.
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Mr. Anderson - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 16:49:21 EST +YkRD6Ss No.6294633 Reply
This is like Treaty of Versailles and say that Hitler's uprising was a good thing.
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Super Crazy - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:03:30 EST IOJUtiT2 No.6294680 Reply
tripple hatch s triggering of "rowdy" roady chodes daddy issues directly lead to him taking his ball and leaving and starting a e w so i guess paul is not far off from the truth. truly, it is all about the game.
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Jon Bolen - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 18:12:00 EST oOLczIsv No.6294687 Reply
Saying NXT is an alternative to WWE is like saying Nickelodeon is an alternative to Viacom.
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Ted DiBiase - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 19:24:31 EST 3WmGZTtG No.6294717 Reply
>>6294716
Cornette is just generally pissed off at the world, so normal rules do not apply to him.
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Titus O'Neil - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 19:36:04 EST NiBYjIA1 No.6294722 Reply
He's right.

NXT is the place that broke the stigma that indies can draw big arenas and successfully sold out many big arenas.

NXT was the alternative for the longest time. At one point ROH was the hot bed, so was TNA but it quickly fizzled unlike NXT.

And NXT has a TV deal before AEW even does. NXT will be on national tv before the indie iPPV does.
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Mike Tenay - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 19:46:09 EST o7tMi7Jn No.6294727 Reply
>>6294722
AEW got TNT before NXT got the USA Network deal.
By several months.
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CRAPCOM !SNGayGTIcE - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 19:49:52 EST oBoI/UZ6 No.6294729 Reply
>>6294727
if i didn't know better i'd think the person you replied to was being intentionally obtuse in order to generate heated replies
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 20:04:40 EST It2BUKqt No.6294733 Reply
>>6294722
NXT isn’t an indie, you disingenuous bootlicking asshole.
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Tommy Dreamer - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 20:46:16 EST SjIU5GRF No.6294756 Reply
>>6294551
>literally part of the big company everyone hates
>we're the alternative

I like NXT, but geez Paul, have some self awareness.
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Neko Nitta - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 20:49:09 EST o7tMi7Jn No.6294758 Reply
>>6294756
There's a whole army of NXT fans who unironically believe that though.
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Tommy Dreamer - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 20:49:59 EST SjIU5GRF No.6294759 Reply
>>6294722
>NXT is the place that broke the stigma that indies can draw big arenas and successfully sold out many big arenas.

Only Vince and others inside the wwe bubble thought that. Also NXT was never an indie.
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Macho Man Randy Savage - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:37:37 EST kY08DZ3v No.6294791 Reply
>"I am my own alternative."

Are ya?

Shit brain cannibalized the concept of an "alternative" and over-marketed it to the extent that it actually generated interest in a true alternative.... i.e. He pushed viewers away from his content. They wanted to Get the fuck away from him and find someone else. Someone else being... you know... an alternative.

>"We're both just going to try really hard and do our best."

No shit, douchebag. Say something more obvious and long-winded. These WWE executives really are just big dumb airheaded wrestlers doing an impersonation of their idea of what a corporate executive is supposed to sound like.
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Dr. Death Steve Williams - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:39:17 EST Ybchf0OF No.6294792 Reply
>>6294791

Not surprising. After all, he's friends with a guy that doesn't know the difference between verbs and adjectives.
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Adam Bomb - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:42:58 EST GC5fl9ep No.6294795 Reply
WWE is basically saying that AEW is on the same level as their "development" brand, which is just a way of giving a big FU to the competition. It's actually a pretty clever idea i think.
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Macho Man Randy Savage - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:49:31 EST kY08DZ3v No.6294797 Reply
>>6294795
That's the dumbest possible move they can make. They are literally branding their competition for them. Giving them a brand value by equating it to their own brand. They are putting into the minds of fans that this alternative is out there and that it is capable of competing with a show that most people have claimed to like more than the main product.

AEW only wins from this, especially if they sell out bigger arenas and have a deal with a major network.
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Neko Nitta - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:53:40 EST o7tMi7Jn No.6294800 Reply
>>6294795
NXT is not Developmental anymore
They aint puttin green shitters learning on the job on USA Network.
It's main roster now. Equal to Raw/SD
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 21:58:54 EST It2BUKqt No.6294802 Reply
>>6294800
>NXT is not Developmental anymore

Yes, it is. Being on USA Network doesn't change its status within the WWE system.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 22:06:13 EST It2BUKqt No.6294806 Reply
>>6294804
Unless WWE starts up a brand to replace NXT as Developmental, NXT is Developmental and being on USA Network won’t change that fact. There’s no “we’ll see” about it.
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Adam Bomb - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 22:08:49 EST GC5fl9ep No.6294810 Reply
>>6294797
i think its just a play out of the Nick Gageian playbook (although these tactics have existed forever).

They're talking about AEW like they're a child and WWE is their daddy. So it's sort of an attempt to belittle them, etc etc. I don't know if it's a good idea, but thats what I think they're going for with this.
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 22:25:51 EST qE0Hxhq0 No.6294823 Reply
Triple H always gotta take credit for this shit.

>>6294806
That's what EVOLVE is for.
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Jazz - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 22:32:37 EST KiRNOk0C No.6294826 Reply
cHHHad at it again. All hail Based Game.
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Dr. Death Steve Williams - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 22:33:25 EST Ybchf0OF No.6294827 Reply
>>6294823

Ain't it just like a McMahon to take credit for something they had no part in and take no blame for something that is completely their fault?
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The Sheik - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 22:42:48 EST GK44uF9P No.6294836 Reply
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>We were the alternative to ourselves
Doesn't he realize that he is burying their own main product? By admitting that people want an alternative to Raw and Smackdown he is admitting that there's something Raw and Smackdown are not providing and people are tired of them.
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Balls Mahoney - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 23:14:09 EST YlKMygy/ No.6294857 Reply
>people being surprised that Triple H's fragile glass ego is spouting hot garbage again

And you know that WWE marks will eat it up and ask for seconds.
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Adam Bomb - Tue, 10 Sep 2019 23:29:57 EST GC5fl9ep No.6294865 Reply
>>6294836
But see they look at it as diversifying their product and appealing to a wider audience.
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Gorgeous George - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 02:45:09 EST 4a0qw0sE No.6294913 Reply
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>company guy puts over his company thing and downplays the competition

do better, y'all
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Primo - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 05:04:58 EST GBs6rOwA No.6294935 Reply
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ITT: OP attacks a strawman and other retards who are obsessed with hating all things WWE accept his deliberate misrepresentation as truth. how fucking embarrassing.
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Mari Apache - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 07:33:02 EST Jyafr0HS No.6294950 Reply
>>6294945
>pointing out argumentative fallacies isn't a good gimmick
oh lay an egg
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 09:09:24 EST jUndo7qA No.6294959 Reply
>>6294722
100% agree.

NXT being on national TV before AEW really seals the deal. Almost every NXT: TakeOver has sold out and been reputed as "amazing consistent PPVs"

NXT has been the place where everybody wants to go. There's a reason why anyone who is considered to be amazing is in/was in NXT.

There hasn't been more of a uproar like that since WCW in the mid 90s
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 10:31:49 EST It2BUKqt No.6294977 Reply
>>6294959
NXT is WWE, asshole. NXT has never been, and never will be, an indie promotion. It is a corporate-owned, corporate-run cog in the WWE machine, and it always will be. Stop acting like it’s a fucking indie company and accept reality.
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Vader - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 10:42:14 EST jEGuiRVR No.6294982 Reply
I don't have time to watch other wrestling. With NXT I get to see the people I read about on the Internet and I get to see them paid well and not break their necks for a hotdog. If that's not something to praise papa haitch for, I dunno what is. NXT is giving all these guys a shot at the big leagues and paying them handsomely at the same time. How is this a bad thing?
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 10:46:40 EST It2BUKqt No.6294984 Reply
>>6294982
It's not necessarily a bad thing for the wrestlers, but it is a bad thing for the industry since it increases WWE’s ability to remain the “king of the hill”, so to speak. The UK indie scene, for example, is going to shit partly because WWE is signing all the best wrestlers from that scene to NXT UK. A monopoly does not bode well for the health of the industry — primarily because if the monopoly dies, the industry could die with it.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 10:51:30 EST jUndo7qA No.6294987 Reply
>>6294977
So that means WWE is amazing then? :yano:

NXT is pretty much what OVW was, yet it's 10x better and the place to be right now.

Like Triple H says, NXT has been the alternative for years now.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 10:53:09 EST It2BUKqt No.6294988 Reply
>>6294987
>NXT has been the alternative

NXT isn’t an alternative to WWE, NXT is WWE. It’s a different flavor from the same shit factory.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:12:01 EST jUndo7qA No.6294993 Reply
>>6294988
It can't be shit if it's been always amazing.

WWE offers everybody something great to watch. Raw and Smackdown caters to the casual fan, often kids.

NXT/NXT UK is for the hardcore wrestling fans.

205 Live is for people who want some compelling television and something different.

This is probably the best WWE has been in YEARS.
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YOSHIHIKO - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:18:29 EST +UGi/k69 No.6294995 Reply
>>6294993
>205 Live is for people who want some compelling television
>and something different

you threw that last part on there because you knew the first part was bullshit even by the your standards.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:20:02 EST It2BUKqt No.6294996 Reply
>>6294993
>It can't be shit if it's been always amazing.

It hasn’t always been amazing, and it isn’t amazing right now if you listen to people here who’ve been watching it regularly. Besides, no show is 100% perfect, and that includes NXT. Quit being a bootlicking dumbass, real or pretend.
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Mari Apache - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:24:29 EST tsNg5/qg No.6294997 Reply
>>6294993
>This is probably the best WWE has been in YEARS.
Then why are they bleeding viewers? I disagree entirely with that statement, the current WWE is not the best it have been in years. The company itself may be thriving because of the Saudi Money but that's not what we are talking about.

My counterpoints:
  1. No real current stars.
  2. No long term storylines because Vince always cuts them short.
  3. No hope for future stars as 50/50 booking puts a stop to momentum, and callups from NXT have been mishandled time and time again.
  4. Above also makes it pointless to care about NXT as the relative stars that are built there are bound to be called up and misused on the main roster instead.
  5. Stars cannot organically be grown on the main roster because of the tight control on the script.
  6. WWE is also completely inept at handling it if something organic ends up in their lap, they either miss their window or completely drive it into the ground (example: Fandagoing)
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Shuri - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:35:17 EST OEScMBdD No.6295000 Reply
>>6294997
Let's entertain the idea that WWE is in fact the best it's been in years, which it's fucking not but sure whatever lmao.
Ratings aren't magically gonna come back after a week, or a month, if things really are getting better it's going to take a very long time for people to notice and viewership to start picking up again
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Mari Apache - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:42:37 EST tsNg5/qg No.6295002 Reply
>>6295000
Yeah you're right, my other points were more important to me to be honest. I do think we would notice in the ratings even if slowly if the product was getting better however. They would at least retain their current viewers if they were doing a good job of interesting them to watch the next show.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:16:57 EST It2BUKqt No.6295014 Reply
>>6295000
>Ratings aren't magically gonna come back after a week, or a month

If the show is good, though, the ratings aren't going to keep dropping like a rock. It would at least retain most of the existing viewerbase without growing the audience. That Raw did a sub-2mil hour this past Monday despite averaging a little over 2mil viewers per week tells me that even the existing viewerbase would rather watch something other than Raw. They wouldn’t feel that way if the show was good.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:18:39 EST jUndo7qA No.6295018 Reply
>>6294997
There isn't competition and there's too much wrestling going on a weekly basis. Most of the content is on the WWE Network too.

Not everyone will watch everything, viewers are widely divided.

There will never be a RAW only show like it was for most of the 90s. Back then it was MUST see every week. The ratings were high because you know shit was going down on a Monday Night.

Now it's pick and choose what you want to watch. It's better that way since it allows people to still watch WWE.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:36:10 EST jUndo7qA No.6295029 Reply
>>6294997
As far as your counterpoints go.

>No real current stars.
Define "real current stars".

If you mention Rock, Austin, Flair, Hogan, Savage etc, you should probably understand this is a different era. It's not the same quality as it was.

The last real stars are probably Cena, Orton and Batista.

Though AJ Styles, Daniel Bryan, Seth Rollins and Roman Reigns are probably the ones in this era.


>No long term storylines because Vince always cuts them short.
Not always true. They tend to do long term storylines when it matters.


>No hope for future stars as 50/50 booking puts a stop to momentum, and callups from NXT have been mishandled time and time again.
This is the same argument people use time after time but they need to understand not everyone is going to be pushed at the same time. Right now WWE seems like a EWR game where they signed all of this talent, but understand you cannot push everyone at once. There's been a lot of NXT guys that have been treated fairly and people tend overlook it. Kevin Owens, for example, has been arguably the most successful in terms of achievements. Now he's been cooled down due to getting hurt and this current struggle with Shane o'Mac.

>Above also makes it pointless to care about NXT as the relative stars that are built there are bound to be called up and misused on the main roster instead.
NXT is the third brand now. Clearly they are with how they will be on national tv soon.

>Stars cannot organically be grown on the main roster because of the tight control on the script.
Have you been watching lately? Ricochet, Cedric Alexander and others have been pushed majorly. Look at Chad Gable. They're doing stuff but it takes time.

>WWE is also completely inept at handling it if something organic ends up in their lap, they either miss their window or completely drive it into the ground (example: Fandagoing)
Fandango only was a thing thanks to the wrestlemania crowds. Think of Tye Dillinger. Fandango was a good hand but nothing special. There was no way he'd be in a higher spot than he is right now. Same goes with Rusev Day. It was a funny bit after a while but it got old. I'd argue Rusev's peak was when he was Russian and feuding with Cena.
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Ring Ryda Red - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:36:51 EST HBLWC/LC No.6295030 Reply
>>6294993
>raw and smackdown caters to the casual fan

That must be why they stopped watching those shows over a decade ago
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:41:18 EST jUndo7qA No.6295032 Reply
>>6295031
People tend to ignore the positives WWE has done and focus on the negatives.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:49:29 EST jUndo7qA No.6295038 Reply
>>6295034

Where would you like me to begin?

I've already mentioned WWE caters to the wrestling fan, various of programming and nearly have 40 hours of wrestling a week.

They have the most talented roster ever.

And they have been pushing the right people.
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Ring Ryda Red - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:52:29 EST HBLWC/LC No.6295039 Reply
>>6295038
I want examples not cheap platitudes.

>been pushing the right people

fucking lol
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Neko Nitta - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:52:39 EST o7tMi7Jn No.6295040 Reply
>>6295038
>various of programming and nearly have 40 hours of wrestling a week.
  1. What the fuck kind of sentence is this?
  2. How is "nearly have 40 hours of wrestling a week" a positive?
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 12:57:15 EST jUndo7qA No.6295043 Reply
>>6295040
Because people have been begging to have more WWE programming since the late 90s. Now they finally did it. Like I said, you can pick and choose what to watch. Nobody is forcing you watch RAW if you hate it. It's your choice, although a poor choice if you watch something you hate.

>>6295039
Like what?

Actually, who do you think should be getting pushed right now since you seem to have a problem with it?
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Neko Nitta - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:00:09 EST o7tMi7Jn No.6295045 Reply
>>6295043
>Because people have been begging to have more WWE programming since the late 90s.
hahaha wtf no they haven't. Show me some proof of this ludicrous claim.
Again how is WWE producing too much content and oversaturating their audience with it "a positive"?
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Dusty Rhodes - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:00:46 EST GXHNtkkw No.6295048 Reply
Yeah I mean, if you actually like WWE then I guess it's pretty great there's so much of it.
Obviously "if you like WWE" is your own problem to deal with but at least you have a lot of it.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:06:04 EST jUndo7qA No.6295053 Reply
>>6295045
I suppose nobody has ever said "I wish there was more wrestling than just once a week!" or "I wish there was wrestling on all week long!"

Look up old wrestling forums. The proof is out there.

Like I said, you're not obligated to watch EVERYTHING. You can pick and choose what you like.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:06:09 EST It2BUKqt No.6295054 Reply
>>6295043
>people have been begging to have more WWE programming since the late 90s

That was back when WWE was both popular and subjectively better than it is now. Anyone these days who is asking for more WWE programming like Raw and Smackdown is either a corporate asslicker or an idiot (and no, “pretending” to be an idiot doesn’t exempt someone from that descriptor).

>you can pick and choose what to watch

Except WWE’s whole modus operandi is that you need to watch everything—Raw, Smackdown, PPVs, and Network Specials—to keep up with all the storylines and characters. WWE doesn’t want people to pick and choose; it wants people to watch every hour of original programming it puts out in a given week. The only reason NXT isn't on that list is because it didn't have any real effect on main roster storylines and booking, but with NXT being on TV starting next week, to think WWE wants fans to “pick and choose” between watching NXT and doing literally anything else besides watching NXT is to believe WWE isn’t a greedy capitalist media conglomerate. And if anyone believes that for even a microsecond, they’re a bigger idiot than they think they are.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:12:41 EST jUndo7qA No.6295055 Reply
>>6295054
Except If you like NXT, you can only watch NXT. Majority of people LOVE NXT, so why don't you just watch NXT and NXT UK? It's easy. It's honestly not that hard.

If you don't like WWE, why do you care so much about it? Most people on here seem to have WWE live rent free in their minds, they complain about the product and how nothing changes. When things change, they still complain.

It is your choice to watch WWE. Nobody is forcing to watch WWE or talk about WWE besides you.
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YOSHIHIKO - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:14:31 EST +UGi/k69 No.6295057 Reply
>>6295053
>I suppose nobody has ever said "I wish there was more wrestling than just once a week!" or "I wish there was wrestling on all week long!"

okay i admit it, but how was i supposed to know that monkey paw was real?
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Neko Nitta - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:17:02 EST o7tMi7Jn No.6295058 Reply
>>6295056
the logic of bootlickers is a fascinating thing to observe isn't it
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:20:20 EST It2BUKqt No.6295059 Reply
>>6295055
>If you don't like WWE, why do you care so much about it?

Because whether I like it or dislike it doesn’t change the fact that it is basically the glue that holds American pro wrestling together at this point. If WWE falls or grows, the industry could damn well go with it either way. Any discussion of American pro wrestling that involves the industry as a whole must involve discussion of WWE, no matter how anyone feels about it, because WWE is practically the majority of the American pro wrestling industry.

And I would think a bootlicker like you would be worried about WWE losing viewers at an even more catastrophic rate than usual this past Monday. A sub-2mil hour would’ve been unheard of even a year ago, but Raw managed that this week. How long until all three hours are sub-2mil? Sub-1.5mil? Sub-1mil, even? Will you be worried then, or will you still be kissing Vince’s ass and acting as if stupid wrestling fans are being stupid about stupid things again? WAKE THE FUCK UP, SAMURAI. YOUR CITY IS BURNING.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:27:46 EST jUndo7qA No.6295061 Reply
>>6295059
Wrestling has evolved since 2000, arguably at it's peak.

Times change.

We're not going to go back to that level of popularity, it just doesn't make sense by today's standard.

The "losing viewers" debate is funny considering television isn't the same as it was... like what? 15 years ago?

People prefer streaming services like Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime Etc.

People need to accept we're not going back to the Attitude era days or even the Ruthless Aggression.

This TV viewership will become extinct once Television go obsolete.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:41:17 EST It2BUKqt No.6295062 Reply
>>6295061
>The "losing viewers" debate is funny considering television isn't the same as it was... like what? 15 years ago?

And if there were shows with ratings dips like Raw’s—shows losing practically a double-digit percentage of viewers from week to week, with few (if any) positive spikes in viewership—they would’ve been cancelled already.

>People prefer streaming services like Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime Etc.

And that would mean something to WWE if it had full episodes of Raw and Smackdown on those streaming services. As it is, Hulu only gets edited bullshit and the WWE Network gets episodes at least a month after they air. If anything, people preferring streaming services like Netflix means people would rather watch something besides WWE, which isn’t available on those services.

>This TV viewership will become extinct once Television go obsolete.

Television won’t be completely obsolete for decades, if ever. Cable and satellite service, maybe, but that’s still at least a decade away. Even so, WWE will still need to prepare for a post-TV future - and even though revenues from the Network might be good, that alone won’t make up for the loss of literally billions of dollars from its TV deals with NBC Universal and Fox. Like I said, the Saudi blood money can only plug the leaks so much before the ship sinks.

The city is burning, so wake up and smell the death.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:50:24 EST jUndo7qA No.6295063 Reply
>>6295062

WWE seems to do well on YouTube, mainly with how many views they get.

I'd say WWE will be fine considering they have the network, they don't really need to expand as much as say... AEW, ROH, Impact, NJPW etc. AEW is banking on TNT and PPV revenue and I'm sure they're going to milk it all up until they can no longer do so.

Enough of the "the ship is sinking!" nonsense. Wrestling evolves and it's going to do so when we enter the 2020's. It might be something you personally won't like anymore, but you don't have to watch it.
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Dusty Rhodes - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:56:09 EST tmdtWLR3 No.6295064 Reply
>>6295061
>People prefer streaming services like Hulu
Surely Raw must be one of the most streamed shows on Hulu then!
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Jacob Novak - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 13:58:25 EST NRtR9km+ No.6295065 Reply
>>6295063
Just stop liking what they don't like. Can't you see that what you enjoy is awful and what they enjoy is superior and that by enjoying what you enjoy you're just licking corporate boot? Stop being a fucking follower, and only like stuff that your peers tell you to.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:00:28 EST It2BUKqt No.6295066 Reply
>>6295063
>WWE seems to do well on YouTube, mainly with how many views they get.

And if that translated into the same billions of dollars WWE is getting from NBC Universal and Fox, that might mean something.

>WWE will be fine considering they have the network, they don't really need to expand

Expansion is one thing. Staying alive is another. You think the TV networks are going to keep paying hundreds of millions of dollars for a show that can barely get 2mil viewers a week? (And that’s assuming viewership levels stay there instead of falling further into hell.)

>Enough of the "the ship is sinking!" nonsense. Wrestling evolves and it's going to do so when we enter the 2020's.

The industry will evolve, yes. But that doesn’t mean WWE is going to improve. Thinking things will get better for WWE only because it’s WWE is a fool’s game, and I’m not going to play it.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:14:29 EST jUndo7qA No.6295073 Reply
>>6295064
There's a WWE Network people subscribe to, it's very popular.

>>6295065
Here's the thing. I watch wrestling and enjoy what I watch. Strange concept right? I used to watch ROH because I liked it. ROH turned bad so I stopped watching/following it.

People should watch what they like and keep it that way.

>>6295066
They're still generating their best profit in years, so they should be fine for a while.

What is exactly wrong with 2mil views? Like I said, they're not going to get attitude era views in the modern day. They can't be doing THAT badly if they just managed to get NXT on national TV.

You mean wrestling as a whole. Right now there's a lot more goofy stuff on the indies than there are in WWE today. Will it improve? Well, we don't know for sure. I'd say things have taken a turn since NXT, WWE's most succesful project, has gone national TV. We'll have to see how it works.
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Taylor Wilde - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:20:01 EST eUhgdd/J No.6295075 Reply
>>6295073
>People should watch what they like and keep it that way.

but then what will sexless/joyless shut-ins complain about and mock others for getting enjoyment out of?
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:20:07 EST iLikEToleARn No.6295076 Reply
>>6295075
>how big of a weekly TV shows and big deal you think bitter shut-ins back in 2017 and had the power of all time?
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:24:58 EST It2BUKqt No.6295083 Reply
>>6295073
>They're still generating their best profit in years

Revenue is not profit.

>they should be fine for a while

“Should be” is no guarantee.

>What is exactly wrong with 2mil views?

Nothing…if the show hadn’t been getting well above 2mil viewers per week even just a year ago. Now it’s dwindling down to sub-2mil. NBC Universal is not going to keep investing in Raw if Raw doesn’t give NBC Universal a hefty return on that investment (which is viewership numbers). Even the fact that Raw is a live show won’t save if it keeps bringing in lower and lower viewership numbers every week.

>things have taken a turn since NXT, WWE's most succesful project, has gone national TV.

WWE’s most successful projects are WrestleMania and a little show it likes to call the longest-running weekly episodic television show in history. NXT is nothing in comparison.

>We'll have to see how it works.

I hate you so much that flames…flames on the side of my face…

…sorry. I don’t hate you per se. I just hate that particular phrasing. It’s a politics thing.
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Taylor Wilde - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:30:25 EST eUhgdd/J No.6295088 Reply
>>6295076
would've been big, nj, but i actually think the embittered shut-ins are worse now that they have no power at all.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:38:53 EST jUndo7qA No.6295092 Reply
>>6295083
Do you really expect WWE is going to lose everything and go bankrupt tomorrow? Highly unlikely. If something as big as the steroid trial from the 90s resurfaces again, maybe but it really has to be a huge thing in order to lose networks, partnerships and everything involved.

I should have rephrased it as the most "RECENT SUCCESSFUL PROJECT" because that's what NXT's been.

Wrestling will likely continue. Just like the NFL. Just like McDonalds for fast foods. If you haven't noticed, all of those things have adapted to the times and upgraded. Maybe not for the best intentions for a person like you, but they are aware.

Like I said, nobody is forcing you to watch wrestling. It's your choice and decision. People can go back and re-watch the Attitude Era every Monday Night if they really want to. Sure it's already been lived but you can enjoy it still, just like you can enjoy other things in wrestling. It's why most wrestling fans are so insufferable, they watch things they hate.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:42:14 EST It2BUKqt No.6295094 Reply
>>6295092
>Do you really expect WWE is going to lose everything and go bankrupt tomorrow?

Anything is possible (if you put your mind to it).

>it really has to be a huge thing in order to lose networks, partnerships and everything involved

Losing a TV deal due to low ratings might do the trick.

>Wrestling will likely continue.

It won’t be nearly what it is without WWE. Any evolution of the industry that involves the downfall of WWE is going to hurt the entire industry. Which means, for better or for worse, WWE needs to stay successful until the industry can evolve beyond needing WWE on top.

>nobody is forcing you to watch wrestling

And nobody is forcing you to keep arguing with an asshole like me, yet here you are.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 14:54:59 EST jUndo7qA No.6295101 Reply
>>6295094

Let's say WWE does lose their TV deal because of "low ratings". Their ratings isn't that bad to begin with. Nowhere near their peak but today? Not too bad. If that happens, it won't look good for AEW. Even though AEW on alone, I have a feeling they won't as good as people think they will. Just by their current plan. Of course, we'll wait until October.

Although, I'm sure WWE will continue doing their thing. They have the money and they have the Network, which almost everybody has and it's easy to get these days.

Keep in mind current independents determines the shape of WWE. Most talent in the WWE comes from the indies. There's a reason why we don't see Joey Ryan in WWE. It's going to be rough for the indies once people get sick of flippy spot monkeys. Yes it's going to happen. Once people see it all, they will want something else.

I wouldn't say I'm arguing with you, merely having a conversation with you. It's been fun inbetween breaks and I hope you start watching things you genuinely enjoy.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:04:45 EST It2BUKqt No.6295108 Reply
>>6295101
>Let's say WWE does lose their TV deal because of "low ratings". … If that happens, it won't look good for AEW.

Which was one of the points I already made: If WWE goes down, the rest of the industry will suffer if it hasn’t evolved to a point where it doesn’t need WWE to stay alive and on top.

>They have the money and they have the Network, which almost everybody has

Define “everybody”, because I sure as shit don’t have the Network, and I believe there’s a few billion other people who don’t either.

>current independents determines the shape of WWE

And WWE, in turn, shapes the independents by trying its best to destroy them whenever one of them gets a little too close to playing anywhere near WWE’s level. It legit tried to block other companies from running shows in MSG. And do you think the rumored deal to have other companies on the Network will end in anything other than a possible buyout of those companies?

>Once people see it all, they will want something else.

And after a couple weeks of watching WWE programming, they’ll feel the same way.

>I hope you start watching things you genuinely enjoy

I already do. Also don’t condescend to me, you fatherfucking son of a bitch.
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Taylor Wilde - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:21:04 EST eUhgdd/J No.6295118 Reply
>>6295083
>>6295094
>>6295108

why do you have to end every post with a profane insult? justin king rng is being extremely patient and for a while was doing his best to engage you and two or three other jerks. if nothing else appreciate that he's the one guy around here who'd have this discussion with you for this long.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:27:03 EST jUndo7qA No.6295121 Reply
>>6295108
Like I said, AEW has built itself to the point where their problems will come within. I'd say they're like ROH in 2014, with lesser names involved. How they do on TV won't determine WWE at all, but more on how much of a "alternative" they claim to be.


It honestly sounds like WWE has been living rent free in your mind for so long and you're angrily trying to get it out of your system. I hope this helps you in order to move forward and worry less about what WWE does. If their product stinks (according to you that is) then watch something else.

We live in a time that there is a ton of wrestling on. Pick and choose what you like.
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Randy Orton - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:29:31 EST BlrIoG3o No.6295123 Reply
>spending more time hate-reacting to the same old WWE corporate speak instead of talking about and promoting alternative wrestling options that make you happy
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Taylor Wilde - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:29:40 EST eUhgdd/J No.6295124 Reply
>>6295121
>Pick and choose what you like.

...and then engage in console wars over the ones you don't like :|
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Jigsaw - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:33:03 EST sK8BwNDg No.6295126 Reply
I'd say I'm surprised people keep biting bait on here, but I'm not.

If WWE's product sucks, bitching about people saying so on a wrestling discussion board is stupid. All the same, people should know better than to waste their time with WWE in 2019, when there's so many other feds out there putting on good shows.
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Justin King - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:35:01 EST jUndo7qA No.6295127 Reply
>>6295124
I don't consider it to be console wars. I'm keeping a very open mind on AEW even though NXT did what they're doing first. I really hope AEW offers something different because they will run into trouble.
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Taylor Wilde - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:41:09 EST eUhgdd/J No.6295129 Reply
>>6295127
that wasn't directed at you, i was just piggybacking on your statement to jab at certain individuals who have gone as far as to ask threads be closed for "console warz," but then freely engage in a form of it by antagonizing an optmistic wwe fan over the course of 5, count 'em FIVE, hours.

you're cool by me, justin king rng.
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Neko Nitta - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:49:38 EST o7tMi7Jn No.6295133 Reply
>>6295121
>It honestly sounds like WWE has been living rent free in your mind for so long a
Way to give self up troll
Avoid the usual tropes and buzzwords like this in order to not give yourself away in the future and keep your ruse going longer.
/wooo/ pls get a clue and learn how to identify shitheads like this and don't bite on bait
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Taylor Wilde - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:54:58 EST eUhgdd/J No.6295138 Reply
>>6295133
i wish detecting a troll was as easy as the use of "rent free" but that was way too ubiquitous at its peak and it's starting to look dated. besides if you've been keeping up with this he's actually pretty earnest and is justified in using buzzwords to defend himself after having "bootlicker" and the like thrown at him for 3 or 4 hours.
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:55:46 EST It2BUKqt No.6295139 Reply
>>6295121
Fuck you. Fuck your family. And fuck any dead relatives of yours, too.
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Jigsaw - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:00:12 EST sK8BwNDg No.6295142 Reply
>>6295133
He gave himself away with his first post, tbh.
But hey, Freehaven entertained their shit for the whole thread so
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Randy Orton - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:03:47 EST BlrIoG3o No.6295144 Reply
>>6295133
>argument disqualified cuz you used word
"rent free" is a valid description and you don't get to avoid good points just because someone used an internet phrase you don't like
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Randy Orton - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:07:52 EST BlrIoG3o No.6295149 Reply
>>6295145
attack the idea, not the debater. Ad hominems are the last resort of someone with nothing to say.
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Cactus Jack - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:09:25 EST d6C2Ifup No.6295150 Reply
>>6295133
Rent free is a factual statement here and very appropriate. Can you explain what do you gain if you bash WWE constantly, meanwhile keep tabs on WWE and watch it as well? Like the people who hate WWE could be a lot happier if they just stop following it completely.


>>6295139
I hope you feel better and let whatever anger out of you. You seem to be a very angry guy and I hope you find happiness.
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Eli Cottonwood - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:12:29 EST WmAmHHw+ No.6295155 Reply
>>6295149
Ad hominems and threats of necorphilia.

>>6295139
>Fuck you. Fuck your family. And fuck any dead relatives of yours, too.

Put 'em all in teddy bear costumes first though.
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Jigsaw - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:12:36 EST sK8BwNDg No.6295156 Reply
>>6295144
How is giving an opinion on a product in a wrestling discussion board = letting a product "live in your head rent free?"
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Eli Cottonwood - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:16:51 EST WmAmHHw+ No.6295158 Reply
>>6295156
You should ask that to the people who came up with the euphemism. Fact of the matter is if you're spending a full quarter of the day trying to tell somebody they're wrong for liking what they like then something better be living in your head because otherwise you're just an asshole.
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Eli Cottonwood - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:24:56 EST WmAmHHw+ No.6295164 Reply
>>6295160
>They're just having a discussion, don't see the problem tbh.

Oh, is that so? Because you jumped in to say...

>>6295142
>He gave himself away with his first post, tbh.

...just a little while ago. You do know that "tbh" stands for "to be honest," don't you?
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Jigsaw - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:30:53 EST sK8BwNDg No.6295170 Reply
>>6295164
Despite how rare it is on /wooo/, you can discuss & shitpost in a thread
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Neko Nitta - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:22:28 EST o7tMi7Jn No.6295214 Reply
>>6295156
Rent free is a dismissive phrase designed to deflect criticism by basically going "UGH GOD WHY ARE YOU SO OBSESSED JUST SHUT UP ALREADY"
It's a phrase used by people who can't back up what they are saying basically. Designed to portray the person they are debating as some sort of obsessed unreliable person.
An Ad hominem attack actually
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Randy Orton - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:26:36 EST BlrIoG3o No.6295221 Reply
>>6295214
>Rent free is a dismissive phrase designed to deflect criticism
not in the context it was used in this discussion

>It's a phrase used by people who can't back up what they are saying basically. An Ad hominem attack actually
sorta like stalking around post IDs
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:29:38 EST It2BUKqt No.6295225 Reply
>>6295215
Did you go all the way back to 2014 to make that post, or did you travel back even further?
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Colonel DeBeers - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 22:16:35 EST 1Thwe0/g No.6295314 Reply
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>When AEW takes over as the main wrestling show and HHH divorces Steph to marry Cody's dog......
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Michael PS Hayes - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 23:56:58 EST j/Akxo9S No.6295363 Reply
>>6294551

The worst part is that

>Cody

is probably worked the fuck out despite Hunter and his nose talking complete nonsense. He needs to get therapy and bury his face in whatever his favorite part of his wife is, and get over his non-rivalry with Haitch.

He won't, 'cause his balls fell off ages ago, but one could only wish

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