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Focused discussion on "Great matches"

!!4vMEXnV5 - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:03:10 EST xy+PhmMA No.6295106
File: 1568228590382.jpg -(654686B / 639.34KB, 900x598) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Focused discussion on "Great matches"
So I was listening to this wrestling podcast "The Miracle Apricot" and there was a really fascinating discussion about wrestling fandom and how there's become a sort of expectation about how only certain types of matches (generally the men's epic style) are classified as great.

Some of the points made

>The need for wrestling cards to have variety and not just all be epics
>going back and realising that you have forgotten many matches you rated highly, but have fonder memories of matches that were fun but didn't fit the mold of what a four star match should be. E.g enjoying a Toru Yano match but not rating it highly because of expectations.
>watching a match and being bored but uncritically acknowledging it as "great" simply because it's the popular style

What does /wooo/ think?

https://soundcloud.com/user-659803623/the-high-speed-wrestling-podcast-episode-8-mio-momono-v-maruko-nagasaki the relevant part of the discussion starts at 10:50
Randy Orton - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:14:22 EST BlrIoG3o No.6295113 Reply
in order to have this discussion, it requires acknowledging the theory that a large swath of fans has accepted Meltzer as their taste maker ... but his fans loudly insist that he's just one guy who doesn't have *that much* influence and people don't blindly follow his opinions for the definition of a good match.
Neko Nitta - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 15:52:37 EST o7tMi7Jn No.6295135 Reply
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>Pokka's Monthly Meltzer Meltdown
here we go again lol
How long of a "timeout" does he get this time?
Randy Orton - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:10:59 EST BlrIoG3o No.6295151 Reply
^^^ case in point. Dave's most insufferable fanboys and TNAMecca are like Cornette & Russo: two sides of the same coin.
Kenny - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:21:45 EST r9g73XGv No.6295162 Reply
Isnt is strange that whenever anybody criticises Pokka's Meltzer obsession some random anon with no previous posts appears to defend him and repeat his exact opinions
Eli Cottonwood - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:27:37 EST WmAmHHw+ No.6295167 Reply
>some random anon with no previous posts

Are you replying to the right person?
Randy Orton - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:28:26 EST BlrIoG3o No.6295168 Reply
> some random anon with no previous posts
lol. i'm used to being lumped in with him, so this a refreshing change of pace.

Also i don't see how the OP was a shitpost or a meltdown or whatever. its a perfectly valid topic of discussion. I brought up Dave because thru no fault of Dave, too many smarks took the wrong lessons away from his match reviews and I do think its a major part of why there's such a limited view of what defines a "good match" amongst the dwindling hardcore fanbase.

>inb4 >BlrIoG3o or some other stupid shitpost
Kenny - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:35:12 EST r9g73XGv No.6295172 Reply
It's a shitpost because he does it every single time he posts, and constantly shifts goalposts after making ridiculous claims about meltzer and smarks

The discussion is the same as what people say about movie critics only enjoying certain types of movies whilst some brainlet might enjoy Jack and Jill or Transformers yet critics will ignore it
Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:43:18 EST WLkE4ibQ No.6295177 Reply
There is no mention of meltzer in the op.

I think the people on the podcast mention him once. We are talking about their ratings not his. I think he's part of the wider influence for sure, but the discussion isn't primarily about him.

Did you actually listen to the podcast?


It's a reason, but there's also other influencers like the VOW guys, cagematch, etc. You've also got to think about the self-replicating influence of the wrestlers themselves. I think one of the things about Joshi wrestling at least is that it falls out of the purview of the "men's wrestling scene" and so there's quite a bit of variety there. Gatoh Move for instance is great, high energy high workrate stuff, but it's completly the opposite of the "epic men's match" that has become so popular.
Chiva III - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:43:20 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6295178 Reply
I don't understand the mods. Pokka shits up multiple threads and yet nothing is done about it. Does he have to make some post that tops "I own a fucking gun" to get banned?
Starman - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:43:50 EST iyeN7oaH No.6295179 Reply
you and another shithead throw a fucking grenade into the thread before anybody else even has a chance to take part in the fucking discussion and somehow OP and the first person to reply are the shitposters. get the fuck out of here. if you don't like the OP or the topic then hide the thread you fucking joyless faggot.
Randy Orton - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:46:55 EST BlrIoG3o No.6295183 Reply
>The discussion is the same as what people say about movie critics only enjoying certain types of movies whilst some brainlet might enjoy Jack and Jill or Transformers yet critics will ignore it
i think its different specifically because there are no wrestling critics. There's no Armond White putting out hilarious contrarian viewpoints.

This board is one of the few places online that has open minds about different styles but it is hard find/discover new types of wrestling. Most of the online buzz is reserved for the super indie style of high spots, choreography, kickout fests. PWG/ROH/BritWres/AEW can get a pass, even if their stuff is cold. NXT built itself up by offering the corporate version of this very specific style. The days of Bull Dempsey are long gone; it's all about the Gargano-Cole 45 minute kickout fests.

And tbh, I've seen smarks with some really weird dismissive viewpoints of body guys, promo guys, character guys without actually judging the work. RJ City should not relegated to Ontario, but not enough fans appreciate his schtick in my opinion.
Randy Orton - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:51:46 EST BlrIoG3o No.6295186 Reply
>but there's also other influencers like the VOW guys, cagematch, etc.
Cagematch is just user-driven right? thats all circular bingo hall stuff and reflective of the same problem of only highly praising one specific style of super athletic wrestling

And VOW... I think most of their takes are reasonable, but they can also be insufferable. They enjoyed the clickbait outrage of that "Are the Bucks the greatest tag team ever" article last week and it was a post written by an 18 year old who used Meltz star ratings and WO Awards as the main criteria (and dismissing drawing ability as a factor when determining greatness)
Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 16:52:54 EST WLkE4ibQ No.6295189 Reply
>This board is one of the few places online that has open minds about different styles

Yeah, I think in terms of "general boards" this is one of the few places, but of course you do get niche forums like /r/stardomjoshi on circlejerk (which is why I said that Joshi seems to be one of those areas where there is more appreciation of different styles. It's actually funny, because I see most discussion of DDT as a sort of side product of TJPW fandom.

You do get more on twitter, but it's true that the more concise a forum is, the more it tends towards a trend.

One of the things that struck me about this was that I was thinking about my match of the year list last year and how sometimes there's a match I really like, but I catch myself thinking "but it's not a match of the year type match" which is just a really weird way of thinking, but I doubt I'm the only one.

I've been told by the mods to ignore and report this guy. I think it's probably the best solution.
Kevin Von Erich - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:05:45 EST BxsoGG2K No.6295199 Reply
Lesnar vs. Goldberg at Mania 33 was a fucking great pro wrestling match
Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:08:32 EST WLkE4ibQ No.6295203 Reply
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the worst VOW take I saw recently was when one of their contributors posted a list of their top ten MOTY which was like a mix of NJPW, Sendai, DDT, etc and one of the guys from VOW said "there were like 40 matches in the G1 better than that" Which is just emblematic of the problem we're talking about. How many of those G1 matches are people going to actually remember? And it's opinion anyway, so this idea that G1 matches are objectively better is just really weird to me.

I saw the Young Bucks article, it was, pretty weak, although I think you could make an argument for them being the greatest (even though they aren't my cup of tea and I wouldn't personally make that argument) but yeah it needs to draw on a wider consensus than WON awards or comparing one person's star ratings

Neko Nitta - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:17:02 EST o7tMi7Jn No.6295208 Reply
That ID and Pokka are best of pals from the TNA cult.
have been for months before Pokka adopted a tripcode after embarassing himself so bad on his old ID when he was Anon. Hes done a real good job concealing his identity since
Starman - Wed, 11 Sep 2019 17:35:27 EST iyeN7oaH No.6295232 Reply
>Hes done a real good job concealing his identity since

there have been a lot of accusations of stalking recently but you really sound like you're fucking stalking him.
Jack Korpela - Thu, 12 Sep 2019 05:01:20 EST yew/U3ux No.6295410 Reply
Damn well better had been after Wrestlemania 20. It's like the Hogan/Warrior duology but in reverse.
Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 13 Sep 2019 17:12:13 EST AQOdknie No.6295915 Reply
For some reason I thought that match was just this WM past. I don't really follow much WWE but the last few years have all blurred together, They haven't progressed at all.

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