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- Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:19:09 EST z+c6DKUE No.6329404
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> After a week of controversy, Jim Cornette has resigned from his position as television announcer for the NWA Powerrr promotion. Cornette, 58, to his credit, was arguably the best announcer as far as all aspects were concerned in the business at this point, if you figure in smoothness of delivery, ability to turn a phrase when warranted, knowledge of the moves as well as match and announcing psychology, and the key job of all, getting over new talent and storylines. Ironically, it was that second aspect, turning a phrase, that led to his departure.On the 11/19 show, during a match with NWA champion Nick Aldis vs. Trevor Murdoch, in an attempt to get Murdoch over, Cornette said that Murdoch was so tough that he “could strap a bucket of fried chicken on his back and drive a motor scooter through Ethiopia.” The commentary, and the show itself, were done live in Atlanta at the PBS Studio on 9/30.

> Cornette has used that line in interviews in the past to talk about how tough someone is, dating back to 1985, without anyone batting an eye. I can’t remember if Jerry Lawler said it in the 70s, and many of Cornette’s lines come from Lawler’s best promos or from comedians he saw as a kid. But things very similar to that phrase had been used in wrestling by him and others dating back decades. But what was fine in 1985 and 1995 isn’t fine today, both actions and verbiage. Even though it also came out this week that Randy Orton used the N word on a Twitch video, something a few people knew but nobody said a word about until it came up in a Twitter battle with Tony Khan, and it was then forgotten almost immediately, Cornette’s line didn’t play well. As much as anything, it’s more an example of changes in society. The reality is that while people look fondly on the past in wrestling, a large part of the old wrestling lifestyle and promotion of numerous angles, as well as the treatment of minorities in the way they were promoted would never work today.

> The line itself didn’t play well. On the flip side, I’m certain Cornette was not thinking anything of it when he said it. David Lagana, who edits the show, obviously didn’t either as it could have been edited out. As soon as the controversy hit, Lagana pulled down the show, edited the line out, and put it back up, and issued an apology. “On tonight’s episode of NWA Powerrr airing on November 19, 2019, one of our talents made comments which some viewers found offensive. We deeply regret the error and apologize. We have temporarily taken the program down while we correct the error.” The next day, the NWA released a second statement: “Effective immediately: Jim Cornette has resigned from the National Wrestling Alliance. As an announcer on the November 19th edition of NWA Power, Jim made remarks during a singles match between Nick Aldis and Trevor Murdoch that were both offensive and do not meet the high standard of decency and good faith of the National Wrestling Alliance. To ensure that such an error can never happen again, we've established new procedures of review for all NWA programming going forward. We sincerely regret our failure in this regard.”

> Clearly that was a tough decision, but one they probably would have had a hard time proceeding with the company trying to ride out the storm. It was clear Cornette loved the spot and for the NWA, he may have been the most valuable on-camera presence on the show (he or Nick Aldis were the most valuable television performers and they have two very different roles) and no replacement will be able to bring to them what he brought. That is how good his work was on that show. Clearly there was no evil intent, and one can argue double standards, a line used before and all, and others having done worse, but like everything, it’s about time and place. The same lines were said before and nobody batted an eye, which didn’t make them right then, but the fact nobody cared then is about a combination of societal differences and a changing culture. If Cornette hadn’t become a lightning rod of late, someone who in a sense worked at being controversial and loved making enemies, it’s very probable nothing would have transpired to lead to a mob mentality that led to what happened, with the examples in recent months of both Jerry Lawler and Randy Orton, and before that Eric Bischoff, all being proof. This is not a defense of what he said, but simply a rational look at it. His comments just days earlier about AEW announcer Justin Roberts didn’t help when it comes to this.

> After 37 years of on-and-off work in the industry, this could be the end of Cornette’s career. If there was a smidgen of a chance of Cornette parlaying his gimmick into becoming the ultimate heel on AEW television, it would appear, even in a never-say-never world, that it is on life support now if the plug hasn’t been already pulled. People who talk a lot and who make enemies, due to having opinions that rub a group the wrong way, are going to have their words twisted, and overplayed, which to a degree happened to Cornette earlier in the week. And if they talk a lot, they are going to, if they are lightning rods, as Cornette made himself out to be, at times say something ill-advised inadvertently. And really, that is what this line was. This isn’t to say that other lines both on his podcast and Twitter feed aren’t meant to be insulting and often veer into a bad look in 2019. The line didn’t play well with today’s standards. Cornette should recognize that and apologize, and then move on.

> Given his reaction, that probably isn’t going to happen, and in fact, it was the fact he wouldn’t that seems to have been the straw that broke the camel’s back for his NWA job. “Morning everybody! Heard any good jokes lately? This coming Friday’s Jim Cornette Experience (wherever you find your favorite podcasts) is liable to be a good one if you like hearing stupid people told what they can do with their stupidity.”

> Aldis, the NWA champion and top star of the company said, “This is in no way speaking on behalf of the NWA, I am absolutely just speaking for myself. I thought the comment was in poor taste and unnecessary. I totally understand why it caused many to be upset. It was a lack of judgment or sensitivity. I have worked really hard along with many others on this team to make this brand mean something again, and this is now how I want the NWA to be trending.”

> David Marquez, who handled the interviews on the show, said on Facebook, “The following are my views and not those of any companies I'm affiliated with. I've known and worked with Jim Cornette for over 20 years. He and I have had our differences for sure. He, like myself, are a lot of things, but being a racist is not one of them (look at his record in promoting Black talent). It's pointless to try and paint a different picture of the man because let's face it, the majority of the public dislikes him. What he said on the show is a dated, throwaway comedic line that everyone from Bob Hope to George Carlin to Dave Chapelle has said. But since it's JC it's deemed "bad" and is spotlighted. It's unfortunate that he won't be on the broadcast any longer. A lot of what you enjoyed was because of his suggestion behind the scenes. And for those casting stones, make sure your history is as squeaky clean, on the up and safe as possible because when news about your past hits don't look for sympathy when you're shown the door and the crowd turns on you.” Marquez had hinted that he may also be leaving the show, but made it clear it had nothing to do with this situation, but because he would be affiliated with a new Circle Squared promotion.
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Nathan Jones - Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:25:45 EST z+c6DKUE No.6329414 Reply
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> Cornette started his career in wrestling at the age of 14, doing photography for national wrestling magazines from shows in Louisville. He later expanded his business into selling photos at shows and handling the programs sold in the Jarrett territory. In time, his mother and local promoter Christine Jarrett became close friends. In 1982, at the age of 20, by which point he was very successful in his side wrestling endeavors, Jerry Jarrett picked him to be a heel manager, feeling he had a personality people could easily hate. Cornette played a rich mama’s boy, using a tennis racket as his gimmick.

> He worked the Tennessee territory, as well as Georgia, before his big career break when Bill Watts brought him, Bobby Eaton & Dennis Condrey to Mid South Wrestling, as the Midnight Express. Cornette would obnoxiously ring announce his teams’ entrance.

> Cornette was so successful at getting heat that Watts, at that pint the retired television announcer, put together a program based around the two of them. After Cornette insulted Watts’ son, Watts slapped him and Condrey and Eaton beat Watts down. This led to The Last Stampede, with Watts coming ut of retirement to team with Stagger Lee (Junkyard Dog under a mask) against The Midnight Express. It was the most successful program in the history of pro wrestling in that part of the country, setting records in most major cities in Louisiana, Oklahoma, Mississippi, Arkansas and selling out the Sam Houston Coliseum. It drew 25,000 fans to the SuperDome in New Orleans and 15,000 to the Myriad Center in Oklahoma City, the latter setting a record for business that held up for more than a decade and the former being the second biggest in that building until nearly 15 years later.

> The team became even more famous working for Jim Crockett Promotions, particularly in programs with The Rock & Roll Express, The Road Warriors, Dusty Rhodes & Magnum T.A., and The Fantastics. The Midnight Express vs. Road Warriors scaffold match was the key selling point of the 1986 Starrcade show, which was the most successful non-WWF event up to that point in the U.S. By 1989, Cornette was a key member of the World Championship Wrestling booking team, as well as a television announcer.

> He left the promotion after a dispute with Jim Herd to form Smoky Mountain Wrestling, which ran from 1991 to 1995. There were key economic issues that killed regional wrestling, mostly related to having to pay high prices for television time because stations could make money from infommercials and the television business recognized wrestling needed television so felt they should paid for that time. Having to pay for television time was a key reason for the deaths of Mid South Wrestling, Jim Crockett Promotions, SMW and ECW, combined with difficulty in drawing fans from 1992 to 1995, when the popularity of wrestling was the lowest since the late 50s.

> He worked for WWF, including being part of the creative team in 1997, which was the year the company turned its fortunes around and started drawing again on the back of people like Steve Austin, Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels and Undertaker. He was eventually taking off the team, and ended up working out a deal with Jim Ross where he’d return to Louisville and run the Ohio Valley Wrestling developmental territory. OVW turned out WWE’s four key new stars of that era, Brock Lesnar, John Cena, Dave Benthusiasta and Randy Orton. Cornette’s temper did him in, as he was so mad at Anthony Carelli (later Santino Marella) when he was stationed as a plant in the crowd who was supposed to be scared of the Boogeyman, and instead smiled, that he started slapping Carelli around. When the word got back to WWE, he was let go.

> Cornette worked for TNA from 2006 to 2009, but was let go after Vince Russo wanted to bring in Ed Ferrara as a co-writer and told Dixie Carter that due to a past incident (Cornette losing his temper on Ferrara because of the role Ferrara played in WCW mocking Cornette’s close friend Jim Ross and his Bell’s Palsy) that Ferrara wouldn’t come in unless Cornette was gone. Cornette didn’t like Russo previously, but this was the breaking point as it was a job Cornette enjoyed at the time.

> Cornette was also instrumental in saving ROH. ROH was losing money at a significant rate and owner Cary Silkin was looking to shut it down. Cornette, through a friend from the 80s, Gary Juster, were able to open negotiations to lead to Sinclair Broadcasting buying the promotion. Cornette was the original booker. While Cornette’s booking in WCW was strong, and while in OVW, he was probably the best creative person in the game, in ROH, the fan base wanted a certain style of wrestling and Cornette had a different philosophy. A lot of the younger talent felt his ideas were outdated and he had issues with a slew of talent, including Kevin Steen (Owens), El Generico (Sami Zayn), Colt Cabana, The Young Bucks, Kenny Omega, Austin Aries, Kenny King and others. Cornette eventually left the promotion in 2012 after issues with Greg "The Office Boy" Gilleland, the General Manager.

> Cornette was upset from day one because he had been told Sinclair would fund a first-rate television production, and instead they went in on the cheap, which also included a number of iPPV misfires that hurt business.

> He worked for TNA for a second stint and became a podcast host. It was clear from his podcasts that his knowledge of wrestling history was some of the best in the world, and aspects of his mind for wrestling were excellent. But as times changed and the business and fans changed, he didn’t keep up, not learning the lesson of Watts, who was a genius in 1987 and had fallen out of touch by not following the product by 1992. With Cornette, this came in a period where the business changed greatly, not all for the better, but not all for the worst either.

> Cornette was voted Manager of the Year 12 times between 1984 and 1996, Booker of the Year in 1993, 2001 and 2003, and Best on Interviews five times between 1985 and 1993, the latter of which is most impressive considering the quality of talkers in that era was at its zenith.
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Nathan Jones - Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:31:22 EST z+c6DKUE No.6329420 Reply
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> The wrestling world converges on Chicago next week with five major events in six days. The WWE runs four shows at the Allstate Arena in Rosemont while AEW finishes the week with the 11/27 Dynamite show at the Sears Center in Hoffman Estates. At this point Survivor Series on 11/24 lists eight matches with three title matches and the rest being multiple brand matches. Survivor Series was virtually sold out at press time, with a few ringside seats priced at $250 and up still available. The secondary market remains strong with a $79.22 get in price and 910 tickets available.

> Smackdown had 43 percent of the lower bowl and 50 percent of the upper bowl not for sale. Smackdown had a $29.55 price for entry and 1,020 secondary market tickets left. Raw was set up similarly, with a $22.55 get in price and 1,700 tickets left.

> NXT had 1,000 secondary market tickets with a get in price of $25. AEW had 430 secondary market tickets left with a $37.97 get-in price. Ticket sales are unavailable but the show is not sold out.

> C.M. Punk’s first full-night with WWE affiliation led WWE Backstage to an 80 percent increase in viewers with an 0.17 rating and 180,000 viewers (1.25 viewers per home).

> While the show had done far bigger number piggybacking off major events, it debuted on 11/5 in its regular 11 p.m. Tuesday night time slot to only 49,000 viewers. Punk showed up at the end of the second show, which drew an 0.08 rating and 100,000 viewers. The four quarters were 195,000, 184,000, 175,000 and 165,000. If the show can maintain numbers close to 125,000 it would have to be considered a solid success given the station and the time slot. Reviews were positive of the show, largely built around him. Punk came across as honest, and not at all a shill. It was very clear the show still didn’t broach any serious topics, such as wrestlers who were wanting out or the Saudi Arabia trip which led to a number of wrestlers vowing to never go back.

> At first Punk talked about taking the job, saying when it came to him, his initial idea is that the idea didn’t suck, and based on that, explored doing so. He noted that he was under contract to FOX and has not had talks with WWE. He didn’t rule out wrestling again, but indicated it also wasn’t something he was looking at doing right now. He teased stuff with Seth Rollins, which may have been legit to a degree, but he quickly made the point he wasn’t looking at building a match with him. He was critical of WWE, and also praised things. He spoke positively about the women wrestlers, while knocking the Women’s Evolution branding. He liked NXT. His other criticisms were hardly controversial but they came across like they were his honest feelings.

> He felt the product was overly produced and far too micro-managed, which is no different from what he said when he was in and leaving the company. He mentioned the opening segment on Smackdown with King Corbin a few days earlier was garbage and made him question taking the job. When the subject of The Shield’s 7th year anniversary of their debut was brought up, he asked Renee Young who her favorite member of the group was (she’s married to Jon Moxley with AEW) and she said she liked them all equally. The Shield was talked about but the name Dean Ambrose was never mentioned. He was critical of Rollins, telling him to stay off Twitter, and cut a promo on actor/comedian Tom Arnold, who had made fun of Punk. There was no mention of his UFC career. He portrayed himself as the voice of the voiceless, the idea that he’s saying things that fans believe but that aren’t listened to. He came across well and it made for a good character on a show that didn’t appear to be going anywhere until he jump-started interest

> Gerald Brisco of WWE has said in the past when scouting amateur wrestlers that he felt the two most charismatic wrestlers he saw in that time period were Ben Askren (who recently retired from MMA) and Johny Hendricks. Askren, with his Funky style and crazy hair was the biggest star in amateur wrestling his junior and senior year. Brisco noted that at the time he was told only to scout for big guys, so WWE never made Askren an offer.

> The 11/15 CMLL show at Arena Mexico drew 8,000 fans, although it was a two-for-one ticket special. That is basically Mexico’s Black Friday so there were all kinds of deals with two-for-ones and three-for-ones all over Mexico City.

> The biggest news was political. At the show they were honoring Tiger Hattori, who is retiring from New Japan at the end of the year. Chavo Lutteroth, the son of the original Salvador Lutteroth, who has now taken back over after the death of Paco Alonso, was out with his son. He has now turned the promotion over to his son. Sofia Alonso, who briefly ran the promotion until Chavo pulled her and started cutting people’s pay, which led to Rush quitting, was back. When her father was alive, she would have been front and center as the face of the promotion during the ceremony. Sofia hasn’t been around for weeks and she was there but never did anything related to the show. Chavo Lutteroth during the ceremony, talked about how his father built all of these arenas and if it wasn’t for his father, there would be no Lucha Libre. Generally, his father is credited with importing the pro wrestling that he saw in Texas into Mexico

> Shocker has returned. He’s said to be in bad shape. He’s been out of action with a messed up jaw but never had the needed surgery. He’s lost a lot of weight and is said to look quite frail.

> Harold Meij in a video interview denied New Japan had any involvement in Kenny Omega’s issues getting into Japan on his last three trips

> Rush in interviews spoke about how his brother would be going to New Japan in 2020, so that seems to be an indication things have been worked out politically where Dragon Lee can return. With Hiromu Takahashi back, it made sense to bring back Dragon Lee since the two are career rivals and while an accident, Lee was the one who injured him which put him out of action for 18 months

> Lavie Margolan noted that New Japan drew 34,435 fans over 13 U.S. dates in 2019, averaging 2,649 per show. That average was skewed greatly by the 16,534 paid for the Madison Square Garden sellout and next year they won’t come close to that number since there’s unlikely to be an MSG date on the schedule. Logic would tell you if you did a first weekend sellout in MSG that you’d come back to the building, but I think it’s pretty much been conceded that the guys who actually drew that sellout aren’t with the company any longer, made clear that they know it that they booked the Hammerstein (which was too small as they sold it out instantly) for their return to the city. They should have at least gone for a date at the Hulu Theater, which they would sellout for a good card and can put in twice as many people.
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Jey Uso - Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:31:42 EST BlrIoG3o No.6329421 Reply
> I’ve had people say basically the same thing about me, Eric Bischoff in particular,
>it was not delivered humorously.
>This got no reaction in social media because it was just somebody saying something stupid
>When it happened, I didn’t give it a second of thought, kind of thought it was pathetic, but expected no better, and moved on.
>Nobody else did either because it fell into the category of bitter old man says stupid things.

lol Meltz just casually burying the shit out of bischoff
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Nathan Jones - Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:33:16 EST z+c6DKUE No.6329422 Reply
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> The situation with Giulia has been resolved between the Ice Ribbon promotion and Stardom. Ice Ribbon announced on 1/15 that Guilia is no longer with the company, and Stardom announced that she had signed a contract with them

> CWF Mid Atlantic, a promotion out of the Carolinas that ran out of Gibsonville, NC, not far from Greensboro, has canceled all the rest of its shows and folded. CWF Mid Atlantic was notable in particular before Trevor Lee signed with WWE, as it was his home promotion and he was long-term champion who would beat people in long classic matches. No word at this point on what led to this

> David McLane’s Women of Wrestling group on AXS announced that the 11/23 show would be a two-hour season finale from 8-10 p.m. That also means New Japan is being preempted this week and was already preempted for a concert the following week. WOW still has episodes that were taped in September that haven’t aired. No new taping dates have been announced

> The movie “My Spy,” which stars Dave Benthusiasta as a CIA operative will be released on 1/10

> The “Peanut Butter Falcon” movie that we’ve noted a few times with its DVD release, was said to be the highest grossing independent film of the year. The idea was that people met someone with Down’s Syndrome and created the idea of a movie for him with no idea that it would be a theatrical release, but things fell into place and it wound up making the big screen

> Mick Foley raised almost $10,000 off his 11/10 show in San Jose for ODB to help get back on the road with a new food truck

> The NWA will be adding another web series called “The Circle Squared.” It appears to be a tryout of sorts show, something like the Dana White Contenders show or Gut Check that TNA used to do or other entertainment reality shows with the idea of a competition where the winner gets a performers contract. According to Dave Lagana, the series will allow new talents the opportunity to put their money where their mouth is to get a chance to earn an NWA talent contract. This competition show will allow new competitors the chance to step up to the interview podium and show their verbal skills as well as get in the ring to show their working skills. The idea is that the winner gets a contract

> Tito Santana is working on an autobiography with Kenny Casanova called “Don’t Call Me Chico.” The book will talk about growing up as the son of a migrant farm worker in Mission, TX, using football to get through college and briefly playing Canadian Football before college football teammate Tully Blanchard (Blanchard was a quarterback at West Texas State while Merced Solis, the real name of Santana, was a tight end) got him into pro wrestling and leaving the business to become a high school Spanish teacher in New Jersey, Mr. Solis

> Taya Valkyrie (Kira Forster Hennigan) stars in a movie called “Unchained” that will be released in early 2020. The story is about a woman who has kidnapped and forced to compete in an underground fighting ring. 70s and 80s wrestler Steve “Rock” Riddle has a role in the movie as well

> A big bullring show in Mexicali on 11/16 drew between 2,500 and 3,000 fans with a three-way on top where Alberto el Patron won over Rush and Pentagon Jr. That’s not a great crowd visually since the bullring probably holds 12,000 people but Mexicali has never been a great wrestling city as we saw AAA in the same bullring in the 90s when AAA was on fire and the crowd was maybe 3,000 to 4,000. Alberto had a black eye, likely from his MMA training. People were surprised Alberto would do a pro wrestling match so close to his fight with Tito Ortiz on 12/7. Alberto also worked the match in a T-shirt, but it was a Combate Americas T-shirt so at least he was promoting the brand

> IPW U.K., a promotion that has been around since 2004, announced it was closing up at the end of the year. While some of this was their own doing, a lot has been the difficulty to be able to draw and put on the caliber of shows in the past with the changes in the business and the best talent being limited to where they can work because of WWE contracts

> In connection with that and with the U.K. scene being down across the board, to where WWE even struggled to draw in Hull for TV tapings this past week, Will Ospreay said he now wants to return. Ospreay had pretty much focused on New Japan and Australia in recent years and done less-and-less in the U.S. (except for New Japan) and Europe (a few shows but not regularly working). He’s now living full-time in Japan, something very few guys, pretty much Ospreay, Juice Robinson, formerly Kenny Omega and before that Dick Beyer had done (actually more women did that like Terri Power, Reggie Bennett, Madusa and Debbie Malenko in the 90s). Anyway, he’s said he now wants to work for RevPro between New Japan tours saying that RevPro gave him so much to help him when he started, and he wants to help rebuild the scene
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Nathan Jones - Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:39:24 EST z+c6DKUE No.6329429 Reply
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> MLW announced the signing of Jacob Fatu to a multi-year contract. This will be the first attempt to give someone a legit guaranteed deal and MLW would then also be Fatu’s bookers on the indie scene with the idea with so much of the people who carried the indies now with WWE or AEW, that Fatu could be one of the most in demand guys around. MLW would also make clear that all finishes of Fatu on the indies have to go through them, which probably means no jobs, or at least no jobs that aren’t approved. Fatu is their world champion so it may also mean the idea is Fatu tours as world champion and is presented as MLW champion as a way to get their belt over

> Josef Samael has also signed a new deal

> Alicia Atout, who has worked for Impact and AEW in the past, has joined the broadcast team as a backstage interviewer

> "Filthy" Tom Lawlor is staying in MLW after all. MLW announced the news Friday morning that the former UFC light heavyweight has signed an "exclusive, multi-year" deal with the promotion. Per usual, financial terms and specifics were not disclosed. The deal is not like last week's Jacob Fatu signing where MLW will have control over his creative when he works indies. Despite Lawlor tweeting recently that he isn't taking bookings for next year, it's confirmed that he is. The announcement comes nearly two weeks after MLW founder Court Bauer tweeted, "I want to thank "Filthy" Tom Lawlor for his two years with MLW. Tom was a day zero guy that helped relaunch the league in October 2017. I wish him continued success with the next chapter of his career. First class dude who despite being filthy is somehow all class at the same time." Lawlor, a podcast co-host on this website, didn't respond to questions about his status at the time. He is a former world champion for the company and will be part of their upcoming Opera Cup event in New York City.

> Kelly Klein was told on 11/19 that ROH was breaking off all negotiations with her for a new deal. According to her husband, B.J. Whitmer, Klein was informed via e-mail sent from Joe Koff. Whitmer, who works for AEW backstage as a producer, a job he formerly had with ROH, noted that his wife was suffering from post-concussion syndrome and said she was being fired while injured. ROH claimed that they didn’t fire her, but chose not to renew her contract, which expires on 12/31. Klein coming out publicly in support of Joey Mercury, who was fired in a very acrimonious split, would have made her being offered a new contract a surprise. It had become public that she was asking for $24,000 for a new contract, with her old deal running out, and was turned down.

> ROH have no shows left this year other than Final Battle on 12/13 in Baltimore and the last TV taping on 12/15 in Philadelphia. The Final Battle advance is very weak

> For whatever this is worth, Marty Scurll is not advertised on Final Battle and given the tease on BTE, one would put AEW as the favorites to get him. His contract expires on 11/30. Scurll owns the rights to the name Villain Club, so he could bring it with him to AEW, WWE or New Japan if he or they wanted it. The belief is that Scurll’s two places he most wants to go are AEW, which many thought it was a given from the day it was launched and I’ll just say it was not a given but certainly always a chance, or New Japan, but New Japan could mean staying with ROH and working more New Japan. You can’t say WWE isn’t a contender, as he lives in Florida and he’d be a lock to be a top star in NXT, but the strong sense is that isn’t happening

> Flamita signed a one-year deal with ROH.

> Impact signed a multi-year deal in South Africa with e.tv. The deal includes airing Impact, Xplosion, four PPVs per year and monthly live specials (the live shows that air in the U.S. on Impact Plus). The deal goes into effect in January. E.tv is South Africa’s biggest independent free-to-air English language televison station and is available in 1.8 million homes

> This may be an acquired taste and too inside, but right now when it comes to a promotion on AXS, you are really dealing mostly with inside fans to begin with, but one of the best new characters is the Johnny Swinger spoof of 80s wrestlers. I mean, it’s goofy as hell and the storyline of him ribbing Petey Williams by taking a dump in his suitcase, only to find out he got the suitcase wrong and it was Ken Shamrock’s suitcase, while totally ridiculous, works with his character on this show. It would he beyond horrible if it was on AEW television, although would work on BTE

> Josh Alexander, who is half of their tag team champions, suffered a torn biceps on 11/15.

> AEW is billing the 1/15 TV tapings at the University of Miami as “Bash at the Beach.” Evidently WWE didn’t renew its rights to that name, since it would have been part of the WCW intellectual property that they had purchased, and WWE had never used it, so AEW grabbed the rights up. Tickets go on sale on 11/22 for that show. In addition, they are using Bash at the Beach as a two-week theme. Cody Runnels actually owns the trademark for Bash at the Beach, as well as Dusty Rhodes, The American Dream, The American Nightmare, Battle Bowl, The Match Beyond and Bunkhouse Stampede. The Dusty Rhodes was is interesting because years ago, believe it or not, he wanted to write a book on his father and the issue was that WWE owned the rights to Dusty Rhodes and at the time he couldn’t do it
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Nathan Jones - Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:42:05 EST z+c6DKUE No.6329430 Reply
>>6329404
> AEW trademarked the phrase Blood & Guts, after Vince McMahon a few months ago at an investors call complained that they were going to hurt the industry by doing blood & guts wrestling. I could see that being used as a name for a PPV

> The 1/22 show, as has been hinted about here from the start, is now officially going to be done from the ship on the Jericho Cruise which takes place 1/20 to 1/24. The Jericho Cruise has been sold out for some time. The plan for the Jericho Cruise will be three hours of live AEW matches every day, except for the second day. The AEW show on 1/22 will be taped on 1/21,the second day, rather than risk having some sort of an issue in going live. Bryan Alvarez and I will be doing daily talk shows on the cruise so there will be no Observer that week

> Bloomberg listed Shahid Khan, the owner of AEW, as the 458th richest man in the world with a worth of $4.498 billion. That’s well down from previous estimates of six to eight billion. Mark Cuban was listed at No. 487 with $4.288 billion. Neither Lorenzo Fertitta, Frank Fertitta or Vince McMahon were in that league

> A correction from last week. The 12/4 show in Champaign, IL wasn’t sold out. I had checked tickets with Ticketmaster and there were none left, but there were still seats left on the AEW Tickets site

> Alex “Goldenboy” Mendez was given the Esports Host of the Year award on 11/16 in Arlington, TX

> At one point there were plans to run a spring break at Club La Vela, which was one of the most unique Nitro shows of the year in its heyday, but that club is currently shut down between both a hurricane and a fire in recent years

> Paul Levesque did an NXT conference call on 11/20. He said that while you never say never because plans always change, the plan is to go back to a hard brand split after Survivor Series and that NXT talent would not be appearing on future WWE major brand PPV shows. The plan is still to continue regular Takeovers going forward. He also said that there was talk of doing Lesnar vs. Cole vs. Wyatt at Survivor Series, but the decision was that Lesnar vs. Mysterio was the right program to continue at this time and that meant they had to do something else with the other two. Plus, right now, Wyatt should be kept apart completely from Lesnar for a long time. With the push they are giving Wyatt, they need to protect him for the super guy, and that’s Lesnar, not Reigns, although those would be the two key programs.

> Levesque said that he had no interest at all, and would have fought hard the suggestion, of wrestling with NXT as part of the current program, saying NXT is about youth and the future. When asked about guys who have asked for their releases and whether they would grant them, he kind of beat around the subject saying that guys shouldn’t do their business on social media and if they have a problem or an issue, they should talk about it internally with the company. He tried to say that maybe some of the people doing it are doing it for attention and clicks, but I really don’t think that’s the case with the people publicly asking. Even a guy like Orton wasn’t doing it for the clicks, but the attention had to do with using it for contract purposes.

> He also noted, when talking about India, the strategy in many places around the world long-term, including India, is to have a local promotion running filled with local talent in the market as that’s the long-term NXT goal. The idea is WWE would be the touring brand and NXT would be your old style regional local promotion. The idea is that WWE becomes the dominant promotion in every market, which in some places will happen and in others with mature wrestling cultures like Japan and Mexico, will be lot more difficult

> Albert Hardie Jr., was released this week. He announced that he would be doing independent shows, an 11/22 show for Heavy Metal Wrestling in San Antonio and a 12/1 show for Atlanta Wrestling Entertainment. It’s probably best to cut ties with him for a large number of reasons. The bad aspect of it is it sets a precedent for those who want out of their deals to cry racism

> WWE put out a video for the return of Punk showing him hiding out before the WWE Backstage show last week. There wasn’t a ton to it past his being nervous and his talking about big this would be, “I’m not going to break the Internet. I’m going to break the world.” He said FOX pitched the idea of him being their wrestling version of Alex Rodriguez for baseball and Troy Aikman for football

> They announced a 1/12 U.K. Takeover show, Sunday afternoon show (U.S. time, Sunday night prime time) rather than Saturday as kind of an experiment to test out what works best, for the Empress Ballroom Blackpool, England. This will be set up for about 2,100. It sold out in two hours on 11/18.

> The latest wrestler to ask for their release is Chris Girard (Oney Lorcan, 33). Girard changed his social media accounts to Biff Busick, the name he was using on the indie scene from 2009 until September 2015, when he signed here. He used his real name for a short period of time before taking on the Oney Lorcan name. He hasn’t wrestled since losing to Lio Rush on the 10/25 205 Live show. He had been unhappy for some time. Girard is a very intense solid worker. He was put into 205 Live and also worked with NXT, mostly as a tag team partner of Danny Burch

> Erik Shanks, the CEO of Fox Sports and Michelle Wilson, the co-President of WWE, spoke ths past week at the Endeavor Streaming Sports Media & Technology Conference. Shanks noted that Vince McMahon has been receptive to the ideas from FOX of new ways of shooting the show. He also noted that they wanted Smackdown on Friday as a way to set up the idea that FOX owns the weekend. Wilson pushed that 35 to 50 percent of the audience is women and that the WWE is multi-generational

> Elimination Chamber takes place on 3/8 at the Wells Fargo Arena in Philadelphia
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The Patriot - Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:45:01 EST b0jIMCOD No.6329432 Reply
>>6329429
> This may be an acquired taste and too inside, but right now when it comes to a promotion on AXS, you are really dealing mostly with inside fans to begin with, but one of the best new characters is the Johnny Swinger spoof of 80s wrestlers. I mean, it’s goofy as hell and the storyline of him ribbing Petey Williams by taking a dump in his suitcase, only to find out he got the suitcase wrong and it was Ken Shamrock’s suitcase, while totally ridiculous, works with his character on this show. It would he beyond horrible if it was on AEW television, although would work on BTE

W-What? Meltzer what even is this lol? Why did he even mention AEW? Whatever I'll take it. The Swinger/Shamrock stuff was pretty funny but weird thing to mention while Tessa just won a number one contenders to have the first intergender main event world championship match at a PPV
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Nathan Jones - Fri, 22 Nov 2019 16:51:38 EST z+c6DKUE No.6329434 Reply
>>6329404
> A bright spot on the show was the work of Samoa Joe in the Dio Maddin spot as an announcer. He was fresh, quick, and got everything over with a no-nonsense delivery. Joe was so good in the role that you have to at least consider making it permanent. I really don’t see why Nigel McGuinness isn’t in that role but at this point pulling someone off NXT to Raw isn’t as easy as it would have been a few months ago because they are trying to avoid the idea that NXT is developmental. Right now Dio Maddin still has the spot, and they are just having him sell the Lesnar beating, but he was greatly outperformed.

> Joe is a regular wrestler and will be back in action when his broken thumb heals. But you can have an active wrestler in the booth and in many ways it gets them over more than if they were one of dozens of guys doing TV matches. We were told that everyone recognized how good Joe is, and the general feeling internally is that Lawler has been better than expected and with his experience has helped Vic Joseph to get into the right rhythm. The only real direction with Lawler was a push to stay away from dated cultural reference since the idea for Raw right now is to target younger viewers and push new stars

> The 24/7 title changed hands three times this past week. Samir Singh lost to R-Truth when Singh was getting medical treatment on 11/18 after Rowan destroyed him and R-Truth masqueraded as a doctor and pinned him. The next day a front office employee named Mike was at a Town Hall meeting and R-Truth was cutting a promo and went to leave and walked into a wall and knocked himself out. It was seriously the single most fake looking knockout spot I’ve ever seen. Mike was watching and jumped in and pinned him. A few hours later, Mike was in the office about to sign a wrestlers’ contract and talent relations asked him to do five sit-ups and on the fifth one, R-Truth jumped in the room and jumped on him for the pin to get the title back

> Kurt Angle did a Facebook chat and said that he never once turned down a WWE storyline, but the one he hated was the one where he had the obsession with Sharmell. He said he really liked Booker T and Sharmell so it was hard for him to do. This was kind of a writers/Vince rib because Angle had the reputation of liking African-American women so they scripted that storyline

> The 10/28 Raw did an added 18 percent viewership after the first day was over via DVR, which was above the usual 13-16 percent increase

> WWE stock climbed well this past week since it had gotten undervalued. On 11/20 it closed at $60.27 per share, giving the company a $4.735 billion market value

> The most-watched shows of the past week on WWE Network were: 1. NXT on 11/14 (taped 11/13); 2. 1997: Dawn of the Attitude Era; 3. Crown Jewel 2019; 4. 2018 Survivor Series; 5. WrestleMania’s Legendary Moments; 6. Smackdown from 10/18; 7. WWE U.K. from 11/14

New Japan World Tag League STAR RATINGS:
> Finlay & Robinson beat Kojima & Tenzan in 11:10 ***
> Makabe & Honma beat Nagata & Nakanishi in 9:45. *1/4
> Fale & Owens beat Tanahashi & Henare in 10:20 ***
> Goto & Fredericks upset KENTA & Takahashi in 11:38. ***1/2
> Cabana & Yano beat tag champs Tonga & Loa in 10:10. **1/2
> Ishii & Yoshi-Hashi beat Cobb & Nicholls in 12:30. ***1/4
> Sabre & Taichi beat Suzuki & Archer in 14:50. ***3/4
> Evil & Sanada beat Takagi & Terrible in 12:26. ***1/4
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Johnny Saint - Fri, 22 Nov 2019 17:00:45 EST cfOXxE22 No.6329436 Reply
>“Justin Roberts looks like he ought to be registered somewhere to be around children. He’s so happy. You see a f***ing guy dressed up like that with that big smile coming across his face coming towards your kids, run,”

Maybe it's because i'm from the UK where calling somebody a nonce is just a run of the mill insult, but I just found this funny
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Lena Yada - Fri, 22 Nov 2019 17:20:39 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6329441 Reply
>>6329435
Please, have some respect for Corny's dead career
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Christian - Fri, 22 Nov 2019 18:45:33 EST Rk+z/NHG No.6329471 Reply
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How can anyone who looks like Jim Cornette try to call someone else a pedophile
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Owen Fart - Fri, 22 Nov 2019 18:59:19 EST 4a0qw0sE No.6329481 Reply
>>6329422

> The movie “My Spy,” which stars Dave Benthusiasta as a CIA operative will be released on 1/10

>Dave Benthusiasta

good filter is good
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Cody Rhodes - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 00:08:14 EST QBxK4N4s No.6329640 Reply
>>6329638
Corny brought this on himself goading all those people weekly doing his edgelord gimmick.
Karma came to collect for him. He brought it all upon himselfm
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Ian Rotten - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 00:45:20 EST HBLWC/LC No.6329653 Reply
>>6329638
like half the fucking NWA roster came out against it
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Brodus Clay - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 01:47:12 EST IMppbDZT No.6329663 Reply
>>6329658
for telling ring announcers to kill themselves and for a nuke to be dropped on a promotion with everyone in it probably
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Cody Rhodes - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 02:32:42 EST QBxK4N4s No.6329666 Reply
Cornettes rage and anger are contagious and make his followers crazy angry people too. Hes literally a cancer on wrestling at this point and his fans exist solely to shit on anything they are told to that doesnt conform to the leaders think
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Jerry Sags - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 05:52:12 EST JC9WWRCu No.6329683 Reply
Meltzer just shitting on Dio's commentary. Very uncool.
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Cody Rhodes - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 05:54:27 EST QBxK4N4s No.6329684 Reply
>>6329683
The guy speaks in memes. Dave's a boomer. He's never gonna 'get' him.
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Verne Gagne - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 08:55:58 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6329696 Reply
>>632968
I get Dio is our guy but that doesn't make is commentary any less indifferent
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Jon Moxley - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:20:15 EST ZqsMRvxJ No.6329709 Reply
>>6329698
I assume he genuinely likes Brian and thinks he's smart and funny instead of realizing the character is supposed to be a pseudo intellectual dirtbag that mooches off his friends and manipulates those around him?
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Masahiro Chono - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:22:35 EST 0ia2DwE9 No.6329710 Reply
>>6329698
>I can 100% buy him not getting the racial connotations of fried chicken at all.

hes a 60 year old white man who grew up in the american south. theres no way he could not know
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Beastie - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 10:29:55 EST z+c6DKUE No.6329713 Reply
> Jim Cornette went into detail about his NWA departure on the latest episode of his podcast, saying the intent of his “bucket of chicken” line on commentary wasn’t racially motivated. In case you missed it … Cornette attempted to describe the strength and courage of Trevor Murdoch during the latest episode of NWA Powerrr and said, “He’s the only man I’ve ever known that can strap a bucket of fried chicken on his back and ride a motor scooter across Ethiopia.” This led to NWA pulling his comments from the episode and Jim Cornette resigning.

> On the latest episode of The Jim Cornette Experience, the announcer says NWA VP David Lagana called saying they were going to have to apologize because people on Twitter were angry about the comment. Cornette claims he told Lagana that he doesn’t appreciate being grouped into apologies for things he’s not necessarily sorry for, which would seem to explain why the apology and his resignation were released together.

> The 58-year old then explains that jokes about the Ethiopian famine were popular in the ’80s – which is when he first used it – and deconstructs why people should’ve still thought it was funny. “A bucket of chicken sounds funnier, it’s a funnier visual, than a f*cking plate of sushi,” he added. “It’s a starvation joke, not a race joke,” he continued. “Whether it’s a good joke or a bad joke, it was a joke that has been told on TBS, USA Network, broadcast television stations across America over a variety of locations for the past 30 years.”

> Jim also points out that footage was shot weeks ago and nobody behind the scenes took issue with it. He also says David Lagana told him the comment “passed right by” him while editing the show. “If when I had said it, the producer – one of whom is Dave Lagana, but there’s a variety of people that can talk to us on our headsets – had said, ‘Awww, Jim. Don’t say that.’ ‘Ok, sorry,'” Cornette states. “If after the show, well we’re gonna have to take out that one joke out, ‘Ok, fine, sorry to make you have extra work.’ If anybody called me up and said, ‘Jim, you told that joke you’ve told a bunch of times, well that’s racist.’ ‘Ok, I didn’t know that.’ Cause I was thinking it was f*cking funny cause the people in Ethiopia were hungry.”

> He then draws comparison to his joke and the Starvin Marvin character on South Park.

> Jim says if NWA had taken some ownership for letting the comment slip through in the editing process, he would have been more on board with things. However, that wasn’t the case and this was starting to no longer be fun for him. “I’m not that sorry, cause it was a joke. And if you don’t like the joke, that’s fine, and I’d even apologize for a bad joke. But this goddamn feedback was above and beyond the offense. And I didn’t mean it in any racist way, for f*cks sake. I think the people that took it instantly as racist think that must be the only thing on people’s minds when they think of black people and chicken. Which, that’s a whole nother issue that you’ve got. Cause I’m going for Starvin Marvin.” “I, in now way, was thinking in that direction,” he additionally noted. “To anyone who was legitimately offended by a bad joke in kinda sort of a way and would accept a reasonable apology, as humans sometimes do … yes, I’m sorry. Because I didn’t intend it that way.”
https://www.prowrestlingsheet.com/jim-cornette-nwa-chicken-not-racist/
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Retail Dragon - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:17:18 EST Ir0Le3gv No.6329771 Reply
>>6329768
>it was a joke
Comedy has no place in wrestling. Its disrespectful to the business and makes a mockery of it.
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Rikishi - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:43:00 EST cfOXxE22 No.6329780 Reply
>>6329768
It's possible for something to have more than 1 layer bro.
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Dino Bravo - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 14:46:42 EST ezz88rJR No.6329783 Reply
>>6329768
There are thousands of possible foods he could have used that wouldn't have carried further implications yet he still chose fried chicken.
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Shane McMahon - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:05:58 EST ziqBnlpf No.6329786 Reply
>>6329783
You are a where the whole 'fried chicken' thing exists only in America, right? The rest of us just love fried chicken. I mean, who doesn't?
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Milano Collection A.T. - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:38:01 EST ez9NWke1 No.6329797 Reply
>>6329794
>Brock squashes Cole and Bray
That's why I said the thingy about Mysterio interfering. So the match wouldn't be so one sided.
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Rikishi - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 15:47:11 EST cfOXxE22 No.6329801 Reply
>>6329796
It's already been said multiple times, this was just the straw that broke the camel's back, and the way Cornette reacted to it ruined any chance he had of walking away from it with his job
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Orlando Jordan - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 16:19:55 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6329808 Reply
>>6329802
Yeah, if you bring up the stuff with Dolph Ziggler's brother, people won't believe you these days. Because muh papa haitch.
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Prince Nana - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 16:21:51 EST OEScMBdD No.6329810 Reply
>>6329808
>people won't believe you

Maybe on lawlddit. I don't remember seeing anyone try to disprove that here
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Lacey Von Erich - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 16:23:44 EST 3z9mtOnj No.6329811 Reply
>>6329802
Sadly, that's just how life is. Dan Harmon flat out admitted he romantically pursued a female underling and then rejected her ideas when she turned him down, and yet he still has 75 episodes of R&M he gets to make.

I don't think Cornette is a racist, but he is willing to say tangibly racist and other offensive, outlandish things, and is proud to it. So y'know, potato potato, he'll be judged thus.
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Ophidan - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:29:46 EST BlrIoG3o No.6329851 Reply
>>6329811
>he is willing to say tangibly racist and other offensive, outlandish things, and is proud to it

Wrestling has warped Jim's brain and he takes anything in real life, no matter how taboo, and thinks "how can I make it wrestling heat?"
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:43:15 EST M1ahJWky No.6329859 Reply
>>6329808
Well exactly. This was during the time when the IWC was going mental to get Bill DeMott fired, but turned a blind eye to Triple H doing exactly the same thing at the same time.

>>6329846
Yes, Remember when circlejerk bought a fruit basket for him and people here were annoyed because they didn't think of it first.
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Beastie - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 17:50:11 EST z+c6DKUE No.6329865 Reply
>>6329859
Also how /wooo/ suggested a gift of a golden shovel to HHH, but the mods shot it down because they couldn't do it because personal information would have to be shared or something like that.
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Bull Buchanan - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 20:48:39 EST 99gdW7X/ No.6330005 Reply
>>6329802
Relatively few people thought what he said was actually racist. They just hate cornie. If this was about racism, Randy Orton would be out of a job.
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Ron Garvin - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 21:10:18 EST MvXqIYwr No.6330018 Reply
>>6330005
To be fair, its Cornette's fault for being outspoken and antagonizing everyone to begin with that made everyone wait for him to fuck up
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Rhino - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 21:48:47 EST BlrIoG3o No.6330051 Reply
>>6329945
i know, its fun to keep track of all the times he ends up being totally wrong
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Mistico - Sat, 23 Nov 2019 22:11:29 EST Ir0Le3gv No.6330070 Reply
>>6330051
Even doing just that is giving him more oxygen and time than he is actually worth.
Just don't look and maybe one day he will be gone forever.
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Mistico - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 00:09:55 EST Ir0Le3gv No.6330117 Reply
>>6330109
People who run on anger and pure negative toxic shit always always always impode and self-destruct. They never last as eventually something has to give.
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Mistico - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 00:28:05 EST Ir0Le3gv No.6330126 Reply
>>6329859
> people here were annoyed because they didn't think of it first.
That never happened. 100% of people on here amazingd and shit on R3ddit for doing that when they did it. It was unanimous on here at the time.
Why try to spread this lie?
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Candice Michelle - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 02:08:53 EST LI44JGTB No.6330139 Reply
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>>6330133
That sounds about right.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 02:53:15 EST M1ahJWky No.6330146 Reply
>>6330132
as you can clearly see in the this thread other people remember it the same as me. So why are you trying to single me out here?
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Mistico - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 03:18:20 EST Ir0Le3gv No.6330151 Reply
>>6330150
>but there were some people who reacted like that.
I never saw a single post from anyone ever resembling this and I know because I would have remembered because the reaction of the entire board was a massive collective facepalm and cring3 and dunking on R3ddit.
Don't know why you are trying to push this or what your angle is doing so.
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Anarquia - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 08:06:40 EST JYCMcqmi No.6330187 Reply
>>6330109
His career is over because ECW wrestlers made a speech at some indie no one knows about. Sure.
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Heidenreich - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 08:35:04 EST HBLWC/LC No.6330196 Reply
>>6330187
His larger point is that a tide is turning against Corny.

>nobody knows about House of Hardcore

It's getting a fuckin' video game!
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Rhino - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 09:36:31 EST BlrIoG3o No.6330212 Reply
>>6330109
>believing anything Bully Ray says

He was just saying whatever would get him over with that audience
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Mistico - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 10:39:31 EST Ir0Le3gv No.6330245 Reply
>>6330194
Because you are a liar and are choosing the most bizarre hill I have ever seen to die on. Keep pushing your proven false narrative though. Maybe one day it'll stick.
Lie loud lie often right.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 11:31:45 EST M1ahJWky No.6330255 Reply
>>6330245
Like I said I remember it one way. you remember it another. Don't call me a liar though.
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Abraham Washington - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 11:45:26 EST YlKMygy/ No.6330262 Reply
>>6330005

No he wouldn't, because Vince and Trips. How many years have you been following the saga that is Orton?
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Pitbull - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 11:46:13 EST Mk7/G5k3 No.6330263 Reply
>>6330245
just ignore him, I can see how it's harder given his IP keeps changing apparently, but it'll make your experience here better.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 11:59:58 EST M1ahJWky No.6330270 Reply
>>6330262
I think Meltzer is alluding to is that certain people become targets because they are seen as viable target.

for example, remember when WWE fans managed to get Moolah's name dragged through the mud and taken off some trophy or whatever (I'm not saying it was wrong to do so, cause Moolah *was* an abuser). I mean that's great, but you'll never see WWE fans launch a similar campaign against notorious sexist and abuser Vince McMahon or Triple H or even Randy Orton because of how high up they are in the company.

In many respects Moolah was an easy target because she was dead and thus cancelling her made wwe fans feel special but it didn't really do anything to stop abuse.

That's the thing with the outrage against Saudi arabia or the Ashley Massaro rape cover up. Fans get mad, but they seem to lack a clear target, because they know that targeting Vince would essentially be targeting WWE, an organisation they are invested mentally in.

Cornette is a jackass for sure and his boomer joke was tasteless, but the point that Meltzer is making, which I agree with is that cancel culture likes to target the weak.
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Rhino - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 12:15:32 EST BlrIoG3o No.6330274 Reply
>>6330154
>And yes I remember when all the stuff about Demott and the pervert Strenght and Conditioning coach came out and how Paige was the only one to publicly speak up and after Trent left NXT he spoke about it on Twitter and this board back then totally supported the talent/wrestlers and believed them over the company spin.

Luchasaurus and KM spoke out and were seen as "bitter rejects" - even on wooo. (Not saying it was the majority or unanimous, but it was an annoying voice that was definitely present)
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Mistico - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 12:34:08 EST Ir0Le3gv No.6330278 Reply
>>6330272
No one is mad.
Saying that as a way to discredit what I am saying to side with your pal is what is odd.
He's spreading a falsehood I know for a fact to be incorrect so I am correcting it.
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Command Bolshoi - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 12:56:11 EST v7ekiu3T No.6330283 Reply
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>>6330272
nothing odd about defending your home.

He’s right, the odd one here is you bruh.


Petty all around tbh but he is defending the truth while you attempt masking it.
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Celt !BzcOsK03.w - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 13:03:14 EST jFe7D+GS No.6330288 Reply
>>6330152
>>6330154
Whatever about all the other stuff you two are going on about, here's what I remember about the Fruitbasket/Golden Shovel thing. Now before I say this, I'll admit to not having strong memory in general, so it's possible this is wrong/incorrect.

Anyway, I do seem to recall that they were a few people on the board who wanted to see a geniune, unironic gift to Triple H after the Fruit basket story came out. Basically they wanted to get into a pissing match with Redd it and wanted to outdo them. You see, what you have to keep in mind was, we felt that we were bigger NXT fans than Redd it was, because we were doing big attendances in /wooo/tube for NXT, whereas redd it's room wasn't. Now maybe they were just watching on the network or whatever, but we felt like Redd it's claimed support for NXT was fairly hallow.

But regardless, A significant amount of /wooo/ thought sending something was a really bad idea, including myself.

Normally I don't like to dictate to the users how to do projects unless it breaks a rule/need a mediator, but on this particular thing I had a really really bad feeling about it. I just thought it was 100% going to come off "look at us too! look at us Hunter! Give us attention too!" and just be seen as a pale shadow of what Redd it did and also a suck up move.

So I did step in and basically put the kibosh on it so that years later we wouldn't have to recall how lame we were for doing something like that.

I forget exactly when the "golden shovel" idea came into it and as to whether it was intended to be a wind-up or not.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 13:35:18 EST M1ahJWky No.6330296 Reply
>>6330288
>that they were a few people on the board who wanted to see a geniune, unironic gift to Triple H after the Fruit basket story came out. Basically they wanted to get into a pissing match with Redd it and wanted to outdo them.

exactly how I remember it too. They felt like circlejerk were johnny-come-latelys who were hopping the bandwagon (probably true as well). There was definitely a sort of pained "dammit why didn't we think of this" discourse and almost a jealously that they had done it.

It was just a few people and thank god we saw collective sense to nip it in the bud. I can see why people in 2019 think it's unbelievable, but wooo isn't a hivemind, there are plenty of different people, and there really was some very committed NXT fans here back in the day.

Speaking of which, does anyone have that original "don't respond to WWE posters" image, the one with the "Hey bro superstars is on" guy?
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Lacey - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 13:43:24 EST 8les5chZ No.6330301 Reply
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>>6330296
hey bro

>They felt like circlejerk were johnny-come-latelys who were hopping the bandwagon (probably true as well). There was definitely a sort of pained "dammit why didn't we think of this" discourse and almost a jealously that they had done it.
This is how I remember it too.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 13:52:47 EST M1ahJWky No.6330304 Reply
>>6330301
thanks bro. I made that image and I specifically added the fruit basket because of how much of a meme it had become here and on circlejerk.

Obviously you can see this was in the days before Kenny Omega had coined the term "e'drone"
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CM Punk - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 19:48:17 EST +Lwrp2D0 No.6330556 Reply
>>6329645

Ok so if his criticism of the dick flips and invisible shit is wrong, and he's in the minority opinion. Why are we "in a slump" in the first place?
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CM Punk - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 20:28:09 EST +Lwrp2D0 No.6330608 Reply
>>6330572

I definitely see your point there. I guess what I meant by it was, those things I mentioned which are "New and different," the things he seems truly against, are not doing anything to bring it back. I feel like that is his point also.

Don't agree with him about the bucks and Kenny, though.
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Ox Baker - Sun, 24 Nov 2019 23:12:56 EST uEMLto2b No.6330814 Reply
>>6330270
It's not targetting the weak, dumb tripfag. Cancel Culture goes after everyone. It's just Cancel Culture actually works against those nobody else likes.

Corny gets got because he's burned more bridges than Low Ki and has stayed relevant shitting on [popular thing]. He also said something that nobody is going to want to defend in an America where race relations are at their worst since segregation. He's going to stay gone because he's too up his own ass to even pretend at contrition.
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Cary Silkin - Mon, 25 Nov 2019 06:30:15 EST Td7mmGNM No.6330902 Reply
>>6330860
>race issues at an all time high since the LA riots
>cunt no one likes who works for a company really trying to get advertisers and tv says race joke
>doesn't concede any fault of his own, feigns ignorance and doesn't even just tow the line for the betterment of the company
>gets fired and claims he felt like he wanted to get fired for the longest time and just needed the money

Fuck Cornette, I'm not a fan of cancel culture, but how are you going to make an obviously controversial race joke on a show that is trying it's hardest to get TV? He has no good will bought up with the fans and acts like he's the smartest guy in the room then turns around and tries to say "it's just a starvation joke" as if that's better for a program trying to find advertisers. You say that on NBA TV, NFL or any other sports program you're getting fired or at least publicly apologizing. He's either incredibly stupid or incredibly disingenuous. It's probably the latter.
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Daizee Haze - Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:29:54 EST ahUVI+nZ No.6330913 Reply
>>6330270
>but the point that Meltzer is making, which I agree with is that cancel culture likes to target the weak.
You're really bad at comprehension.
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Kharma - Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:33:20 EST 0AcdH2Qk No.6330914 Reply
>>6330902
He's secure enough and past the point where he really has to give a fuck so he kind of doesn't, and ends up making residual money off of the shit it stirs up anyway. But in the process he's becoming a parody
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Ring Ryda Blue - Mon, 25 Nov 2019 08:49:55 EST CWak3jQy No.6330920 Reply
>>6330915
When did crying FAKE become the new rallying cry for people who cannot handle reality?
Is it a directive of the Internet Research Agency?
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Freehaven !zWb42fBPMM - Mon, 25 Nov 2019 09:25:00 EST It2BUKqt No.6330924 Reply
>>6330920
>When did crying FAKE become the new rallying cry for people who cannot handle reality?

2016.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Mon, 25 Nov 2019 11:23:04 EST M1ahJWky No.6330952 Reply
>>6330245
>Lie loud lie often right.

given that other people remember it the way I do...Are you going to apologise for calling me a liar then?
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Golga - Mon, 25 Nov 2019 11:57:37 EST JYCMcqmi No.6330974 Reply
>>6330920
That's a good question, probably around about the time people started crybullying others into getting fired or deplatformed.
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Alex Koslov - Mon, 25 Nov 2019 13:57:40 EST CQI+EBMZ No.6331036 Reply
>>6329710

Actually that probably leads him to believe he can say and do whatever he wants and get away with it. The shock comes from the fact that he faces repercussions from causally insulting entire population groups that he used to get away with abusing without a second thoughts.
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Darkness Crabtree - Mon, 25 Nov 2019 22:36:32 EST RIMHP1wE No.6331345 Reply
So at this point, Cornette has implied that Justin Roberts and Kenny Omega are pedophiles. Honestly, at some point when that's your go-to insult, I start to wonder about you.
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Gran Akuma - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 03:28:26 EST HBLWC/LC No.6331429 Reply
>>6331125
>>6331419
I've seen a few episodes at my friends' house. It's OK enough, even if WALTER is obviously carrying the brand.
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Bo Rotundo - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 03:35:21 EST 5KIac0fQ No.6331430 Reply
>>6331419
Also from the UK, I saw the card for the last takeover UK, and my reaction was "oh yeah, I forgot those guys existed". It's pretty much a dead end.
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Rain - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 07:16:29 EST 3KZLcipf No.6331446 Reply
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>>6331419
Why would they? It's not like any of the good wrestlers are actually from the UK...
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Zema Ion - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:22:20 EST JC9WWRCu No.6331455 Reply
>>6331125
I'm one of the few who do, at least partially. Mostly cause I'm a mark for a few guys like Devlin, Seven and WALTER.
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Don Muraco - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 08:26:47 EST qHye1gGN No.6331457 Reply
>>6329645

Your post and formatting stinks of total mental instability or your a 15 year old
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Portia Perez - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 12:59:28 EST jjKtc7ie No.6331552 Reply
>>6331457
>formatting stinks of total mental instability
I don't think formatting of internet postings is a credible or reliable metric for diagnosis of mental health stability. May wanna rethink that thesis.
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Mr. Anderson - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:23:39 EST cfOXxE22 No.6331633 Reply
>>6331125
Nope, but NXT UK wasn't meant to be successful, it was created to pour a bucket of water over the UK scene and sadly it did just that.

I remember how hyped I was back in the day for Zack Gibson and WALTER. Now I don't even know how they're doing
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:26:37 EST UveV14Hw No.6331634 Reply
>>6331125
It reminds me of what NXT used to be though matches over storyline only go so far.
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Portia Perez - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:34:28 EST jjKtc7ie No.6331637 Reply
>>6331635
That's not true Anon, they got to meet Triple H!
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Sinn Bodhi - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 20:08:43 EST l2mBEEDp No.6331788 Reply
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>Pro Wrestling Sheet has learned “The Ravishing Russian” Lana signed a new WWE contract.

>Sources tell us the WWE star recently came to terms with the company on a new 5-year agreement that both sides are happy with and this week she officially put pen to paper.

>Rusev, however, has not yet signed a new deal. We’re told “The Bulgarian Brute” is still in the midst of ongoing discussions relating to a new contract.

>Lana reacted to the signing after we published this article, tweeting, “I just signed a multi-million dollar deal with [WWE]!!!!!!!!!! Congrats!”

>According to sources, Lana’s new deal allows her to take time off for outside projects, like the movie she and Rusev produced/acted in called “Another Version Of You” – which is available now on iTunes and VOD platforms.

>The 34-year-old wrestler/manager recently returned to television following a brief hiatus, only this time with Bobby Lashley instead of her husband Rusev. This has led to a polarizing storyline involving all three which most recently ended with Rusev being taken away from Raw in handcuffs.

https://www.prowrestlingsheet.com/lana-signs-new-wwe-contract/#.Xd3KyPkwjs0
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Taylor Wilde - Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:35:26 EST uEMLto2b No.6331852 Reply
>>6331635
Silver or lead, anon.

Either the WWE fucks you and your territory, or the WWE fucks you and your territory, but gives you a fruit basket.
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Nathan Jones - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:34:06 EST akwE3tdE No.6332031 Reply
Could anyone throw me the Real Dad playlist link? Reset my laptop today and lost it
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Michael Cole - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:42:40 EST b0jIMCOD No.6332032 Reply
>>6332031
Go to cytube. Find realdad. Click on links. Find playlist link. profit
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Nathan Jones - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:45:31 EST akwE3tdE No.6332033 Reply
>>6332032
Yeah nah I just liked having the actual youtube playlist ready, all the cytube links are just to the unlisted vids I think
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Michael Cole - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:50:35 EST b0jIMCOD No.6332035 Reply
>>6332033
the youtube playlist is on the cytube site. click on links and its there
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Nathan Jones - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 12:57:45 EST akwE3tdE No.6332037 Reply
>>6332035
I just see the pastebins, the discord and some dead channels on links. It's all good though
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Madman Buttocks !F612/rL8Ks - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 13:02:26 EST 8onUjywP No.6332039 Reply
>>6332038
i should also mention that not everything shows up on the youtube playlist. russo shows go up on DM and people upload f4d content on their own when were sleeping and add them to the cytube
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Johnny - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:19:12 EST z+c6DKUE No.6332064 Reply
> NXT officially announced TV dates at Full Sail for 1/8, 1/15, 1/22, 1,29 and 2/5.

> The 1/8 and 1/15 dates have sold out while tickets for 1/22 and 1/29 go on sale on 12/6. Tickets for 2/5 go on sale on 12/13.

> They also noted that new for 2020, in sections 101 and 105, Seat 1 will be located on the ramp.

https://www.pwinsider.com/article/131733/wwe-nxt-announces-next-series-of-tv-tapings-more.html?p=1

Apparently WWE is tied into doing Full Sail dates until March so have fun with that.
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Tanny Mouse - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:21:03 EST v4uow3+3 No.6332065 Reply
>>6332063
His apology is literally "I'm sorry you got hurt" .
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Highlander Robbie - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:30:51 EST VlRd/cit No.6332066 Reply
>>6332062
What a perfectly shitty non-apology.
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Alicia Fox - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 15:45:55 EST 5bFvbLsD No.6332069 Reply
>>6332062
I can just imagine how much he's seething having to say any of this.
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David Von Erich - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 16:05:16 EST 1iDAb4TZ No.6332076 Reply
>>6332065
Oh I know. I just think so little of him that this is more than I expected still.
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Harley Race - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 17:15:33 EST jjKtc7ie No.6332094 Reply
>>6332062
>WWE already putting Satin and his marksheet to use as a their PR damage control puppet
absolutely disgusting
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Prince Devitt - Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:41:45 EST oUAYJRbE No.6332277 Reply
i like jim, racism is cool. wish that nwa would have embraced being for WHITES ONLY but oh well

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