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Was 'British' wrestling ever good to begin with?

- Mon, 02 Dec 2019 15:23:57 EST gf1aRfxy No.6333769
File: 1575318237111.jpg -(91762B / 89.61KB, 470x677) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. Was 'British' wrestling ever good to begin with?
Pic relared was our Rock & Austin, our Hulk Hogan and Savage. Our El Santo and Blue Demon Jr. Big Daddy was our Hulk Hogan, El Santo & Rikidozan.

These two men would finish matches by being fat. Their opponents would run into them and be rebounded by their fatness and then they'd take 30 seconds to pin their opponent wheezing all the while.

Other notable draws for the world of sport era was a masked man pretending to be Japanese and hypnotised his opponents was an homage to an ancient wizard on a popular TV show who would tickle his opponents. This is what the British public would gather in droves on saturday afternoons to watch.

Somehow history has been re-written and we were supposed to believe that the flippy wristlock cruiserweight division were meant to be the big stars who carried British wrestling forward when that clearly wasn't true.

Is it any coincidence that the biggest crossover star 'britwres' has produced is a jolly dancing scottsman who entered to a Madonna remix? Seriously, look at him now. He's on prime time Scottish TV and making a better living than the people who signed contracts with NXT UK.

The 'resurgence' that occured lately was quite impressive and did a great job if getting fans in - it seemed like British wrestling had finally 'evolved' to the point where it could hold and maintain a solid niche audience. That all changed for numerous reasons and I wont go into them all.

However I feel like one reason why I feel like it ended was because the top talent we had were propped up with good marketing and booking and that the overwhelming majority of our talent couldnt connect to a worldwide audience that didnt already love them when they stepped trough the curtain.

The culture in the UK during the boom period was that everyone was 'friends' and that probably kept more than a couple wrestlers who are really just bang average getting mega pushes across the scene through being simply willed into being popular. Take Jimmy Havoc for example. A god amongst men in britwres circle but a strange looking balding middle aged man with a staple gun in AEW.

The next generation doesn't look too hopeful either. Most training schools seem dead set on teaching 'british' wrestling through passing convoluted wristhold reversals down the line so parents can be bored and wish they went to the cinema instead while their children wonder where John Cena is. All the while the guy in the schadenfreude t shirt is creaming himself.

I put the question to you /wooo/. Was britwres ever good?
Tokyo Magnum - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 15:58:26 EST zNyQb9LL No.6333776 Reply
Like most other scene it was blessed with good actual wrestlers and occasionally brought down by garbage showmen.
Pacman Jones - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 15:58:58 EST jkHcIii8 No.6333777 Reply
>Is it any coincidence that the biggest crossover star 'britwres' has produced is a jolly dancing scottsman who entered to a Madonna remix? Seriously, look at him now. He's on prime time Scottish TV and making a better living than the people who signed contracts with NXT UK.

I was wondering the other day 'what happened to Grado?'
If that's what happened to him I'm happy for him, dude had entertainment value but not really as a wrestler
The Warlord - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 16:02:42 EST b0jIMCOD No.6333778 Reply
Big Daddy was 100% linked with organized crime. He looks like every mobster of the day. American wrestling was as well though. I guess all wrestling was.
Dave Prazak - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 16:20:06 EST 9iX/ZT4c No.6333784 Reply
Grado is a bonafide cultural institution in Scotland now.
He's transcended wrestling.
Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 16:22:41 EST M1ahJWky No.6333785 Reply
the problem is that WOS died too soon. If it had been on terrestrial tv just a few more years, then it likely would have jumped to a sky or cable channel in the mid 90s and survived.

Wrestling in the UK during the 90s was defined by the WWF (and to a lesser extent, WCW and ECW which were on TV, but not as big) and so you ended up with a next generation in awe to american wrestling.

The genuinely sad thing is that UK wrestling (and French and German) never really developed their own style that was distinct, in the same way that Lucha, Puroresu and Sports Entertainment are.
The Warlord - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 16:28:16 EST b0jIMCOD No.6333787 Reply
No way. UK wrestling used to be defined by grapple mat style wrestling. William Regal and Fit Finaly and Nigel Mcguiness were great with it. Its a far cry from that now though and who cares cause LOLWWE purchased the entire section of the earth and now all their base are belong to us.
Jado - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 16:28:38 EST gf1aRfxy No.6333788 Reply
I think the technical 'catch' style is what the distinction was between the UK and the rest of the world. The problem as I mentioned in the OP is that it's actually pretty boring when dome by anyone other than ZSJ.
Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 16:57:06 EST M1ahJWky No.6333809 Reply
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That's what I mean, the catch and grappling style was the UK's distinctive thing, but that had basically died out by the 90s in favour of WWF style
Derek Sabato - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 16:58:42 EST CmVM3fC3 No.6333811 Reply
>it's actually pretty boring when dome by anyone other than ZSJ
You're just gonna go and expose yourself like that, huh
Devon - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 17:02:40 EST pYBmLep0 No.6333818 Reply
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>The problem as I mentioned in the OP is that it's actually pretty boring when dome by anyone other than ZSJ.
Zack has been shit until like a year ago
Dave Prazak - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 18:12:12 EST 9iX/ZT4c No.6333868 Reply
>Grado fights The Mummy
>Grado goes te space
>Grado vs Frankenstein
what do they call dimes in Scotland?
Cyrus - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 18:13:36 EST m+dPSDIk No.6333869 Reply
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Most of the best British wrestling is from pre/very early TV days.

George Kidd started wrestling in 1946. In 1976, after more than 1000 matches, suffering only 7 defeats, Kidd resigned his championship and retired. During his lengthy career, Kidd rarely wrestled on television (although he often appeared on it as a broadcaster), because he believed that over-exposure would turn the sport he loved into a pantomime.

Oh how right he was.
Joey Ryan - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 18:18:03 EST Td7mmGNM No.6333874 Reply
PWG and britwres ZSJ beating people with the weakest fucking strikes ever as a face was absolute shit. His Shibata match especially as a Shibby mark pissed me off for no end. Suzuki-gun ZSJ has been fucking awesome. His current run is better than his shitty Marty Scrull matches imo.
Cyrus - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 18:25:07 EST m+dPSDIk No.6333880 Reply
He has certainly improved but I'm still not a fan. Got a lot better at cutting out the totally needless transitions that the PWG crowd wanked all over but his strikes are still shit and he occasionally slips back into his "sit down make a silly face" method of selling when someone isn't stiffing the fuck out of him.
CRAPCOM !SNGayGTIcE - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:17:49 EST oBoI/UZ6 No.6333898 Reply
>Oh how right he was.
Every generation has said the following generation was a bunch of phony-baloney bullshit because it's not how they themselves got over.
Cheerleader Melissa - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:20:42 EST GXHNtkkw No.6333902 Reply
you'd think at least one of their vassal states could have mailed them some decent wrestling like they sent over curry and kebabs
Cheerleader Melissa - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 19:49:50 EST GXHNtkkw No.6333914 Reply
>a masked man pretending to be Japanese
there was a guy in AAA who did this only his mask was a ching chow ping pow slanty eyed oriental mask
not that it makes UK "wrestling" good, just saying that ching chowing your ping pows is a respected wrestling tradition
Owen Fart - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 20:43:53 EST rDVsJxRz No.6333940 Reply

I hope he remembers whatever his diet/workout regiment was back then
Trent Acid - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 20:56:54 EST b0jIMCOD No.6333949 Reply
I think now that his upper body is covered he looks fine. It also works with the Dark Order recruiting fat weirdo marks who live in mums basement.
Mustafa Said - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 22:05:21 EST lVnTos/o No.6333967 Reply

Nah, he gave up on us after we couldn't make him a youtube sensation.
Farooq - Mon, 02 Dec 2019 23:18:39 EST Z96aJ4e0 No.6333988 Reply
The problem with modern britwres is that it's basically a bunch of marks who watched NJPW 6 or 7 years ago and just want to imitate that and pretend they're British puro promotions. There's no identity to britwres scene (at least the modern one) except for a bunch of chodes thinking they're god's gift to wrestling for being the shining examples of cosplay wrestlers.

If there is any real identity in Britwres it's in making their promotions and wrestlers overtly political which is dumb. I don't need Eve telling me how they're a bunch of super woke communists, just fucking book some matches and bring in some joshi. I don't need evil bully Pete Dunne taking time out of a match to chastize the crowd about how intolerant it is to say fag like a true bad guy, just wrestle the fucking match you twat.
She Nay Nay - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 15:33:34 EST GBwAYjIm No.6334134 Reply
Slightly off-topic but what's the current status of catch wrestling, do people do it england?

I mean, it's kinda of a shame that Sakuraba's success didn't popularize it in the same way that the gracies did to BJJ
Angelina Love - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 17:17:47 EST /Nl9c6bo No.6334152 Reply
The snake pit is still alive in Wigan & there is also a gym in Harrow that does it along side BJJ.
KENTA - Tue, 03 Dec 2019 17:28:58 EST 0ia2DwE9 No.6334153 Reply
i saw johnny saint and quack wrestle johnny kidd and colt cabana a few years ago, they did 20 minutes of catch and it was awesome
Ezekiel Jackson - Fri, 13 Dec 2019 20:14:19 EST kDhu5Ddp No.6337657 Reply
Actually watched some early WoS. It was ok except for the occasional really slow dull match. Big Daddy wasn't the worst stuff on those early eps. Sammy Lee and Iron Fist were the highlights though. Kinda looking forward to catching up where I left off with WoS.

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