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- Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:11:24 EST z+c6DKUE No.6345493
File: 1578665484605.jpg -(138775B / 135.52KB, 583x534) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. THE DIRT SHEET THREAD: THE LATEST FROM MELTZER AND MORE - 10TH JANUARY '20
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> There was one of the train lines that New Japan purchased a commercial video that played along with many other items advertised, plugging the two Tokyo Dome dates. I saw the sports tabloids in some places, but unlike the past, where you'd see sons of people on the trains and subways reading them, often seeing them go through the wrestling pages, I never saw one person reading Tokyo Sports or Nikkan Sports on a train.

> Yet, go to the Tokyo Dome, and the illusion would be that it's bigger than ever. For the first time in history, New Japan ran two straight nights of major shows at the Tokyo Dome, selling out the traditional 1/4 event with a paid attendance of 40,008, and probably about 43,000 total; and 30,063 paid the next day, looking to be about 34,000 to 35,000 total.

> While not sold out, New Japan on its comeback didn't top 30,000 paid until a few years ago and now, to some, 30,000 paid was a disappointment after selling out the night before with the largest paid attendance and live gate at a Japanese wrestling show in more than 20 years.

> On the flip side, even with two Domes instead of one, and a New Year’s Dash, early indications were that the growth levels of New Japan World were nowhere close to 2018 (nobody expected they would be) or 2019, which was attributed to the loss of Omega, who was in the biggest match the past two years and fueled the huge international growth.

> There were about 8,300 tickets for the first night and 6,500 for the second night purchased outside of Japan. Both were records and shows that much of the growth in recent years comes from overseas. There were few tickets sold outside of Japan for any Tokyo Dome event until the 2017 show headlined by Okada vs. Kenny Omega. I doubt there were 300 foreigners when I was there in 1991 for the sold out Ric Flair vs. Tatsumi Fujinami NWA vs. IWGP title main event. Omega vs. Jericho in 2018 got that number up to 2,400, and word-of-mouth from the quality of the shows the prior two years got it do 6,000 last year for Omega vs. Tanahashi as the main event.

> Those numbers are for tickets sold outside the country. Actual foreign fans numbers were larger. It wouldn’t include foreigners who had friends in Japan buy tickets for them. It wouldn’t include sales done over the last week by foreigners in town purchasing tickets at the box office or on the day of the show.

> Surprisingly, the two countries that sold the most tickets were Australia and the U.K., the former topping 3,000 tickets to night one. What's notable is that New Japan went to Australia last year and couldn't come close to selling 3,000 tickets for shows in Sydney and Melbourne. New Japan also has no television in Australia. Some of that may be because the time zone differences make watching New Japan shows easier in those countries than in the U.S. It was also noted that Australia is a far shorter flight to Japan than the U.S., and a far less expensive flight.

> Another major story of the week involved AEW and New Japan. Two of AEW's biggest stars, Jericho and Moxley were in Japan this past week. The idea a relationship might develop was largely based on an angle started by Tanahashi and Jericho. Tanahashi said that if he beat Jericho, he wanted an AEW title shot. Jericho and New Japan's Rocky Romero went to Tony Khan for a deal that would have them shoot an angle with that stipulation and Jericho would bring the belt to Japan, wear it in the ring, and it would be acknowledged in the building and on TV-Asahi and New Japan World. It really speaks to Jericho and Tanahashi's star power they were able to get that through. It wasn’t that many months ago where New Japan had a rule that nobody could mention AEW. Tanahashi himself wanted to go to AEW and continue the program with Jericho, but that doesn't appear to be happening. The live crowd did pop for mentions of the AEW championship when Jericho came out, so there was interest in that storyline.

> This all dates back a year. At the time, New Japan was really the No. 2 promotion in the U.S. and ROH was No. 3. AEW came in with people who had never had experience working in a pro wrestling executive capacity, with no track record past the All In success. The Young Bucks, Cody and Chris Harrington of AEW came to Japan to try and work out a deal. At the time, NJPW had a deal with ROH and an upcoming sold out Madison Square Garden show. NJPW also believed that no matter what was said publicly, that the two key foreigners, Jericho and Omega, would be with the company. It’s not that they wanted to lose the others but it was viewed as less of a concern than really, given the merchandise decline that followed, it should have been.

> The bad blood between the two sides also stems from New Japan’s booking plans for 2019. Originally, Omega was to retain the IWGP title against Tanahashi at the Tokyo Dome and then lead to a match with Okada, their first ever meeting in the U.S., for Madison Square Garden. While we were under the impression Omega was to lose that match, he was not. The Tokyo Dome final four booking plan with both the IWGP and IC belts at stake was to be Omega vs. Ibushi and Okada vs. Naito (meaning one of those two would have been IC champion) on the first night. The idea from that would seem to be that Naito would have beaten both Okada and then Omega since the plan was always for Naito to be the first with the two belts at the same time.
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Grandmaster Sexay - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:14:14 EST z+c6DKUE No.6345495 Reply
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> One person noted that Harold Meij wanted at the time to go directly to Khan. Khan didn’t come and who, for reasons having nothing to do with the wrestling industry, has never been to Japan and may never come to Japan. Things got worse due to legal threats made against AEW and Omega, which put relations at a terrible level, to the point neither side wanted to acknowledge the other. Those in AEW were frustrated with the idea that there was a fan base that no matter what, had this mentality that New Japan could do no wrong but they had seen a very different side of the company. It was easy for both sides to be bitter, AEW due to the snub, New Japan due to the taking of the talent, with the idea they don’t need the other, since both have done well on their own.

> Jericho and Tanahashi pushed hard to break through the stubbornness and we know many people on both sides who want it to happen. That bad blood has been difficult for both sides to get through even though a partnership would help both, especially since New Japan needs something now that it doesn’t have as far as exposure of talent on television for its upcoming expansion. But for AEW, then it becomes tricky as they could be viewed as a competitor. But there are also ways to work together for mutual benefit and interest levels.

> Khan decided against plugging anything related to Jericho vs. Tanahashi or the Tokyo Dome show on its television or social media because he felt that was of no benefit to AEW. Yet, after the Tokyo Dome, on AEW, Jericho and the announcers talked about how Jericho and Moxley had big wins over the past week at the Tokyo Dome, a step that just a week earlier wouldn’t have been allowed. However, Moxley was not mentioned as winning the U.S. title, which is a Khan ruling with the idea that on Dynamite, the only titles he wants mentioned are AEW titles. If you note, Omega has stopped being called AAA champion, although that may be acknowledged going forward on Dark and he could defend it there, but won’t on Dynamite or PPV. Pentagon Jr. & Fenix are never mentioned as AAA tag champs in AEW even though those titles were defended in the past on AEW PPV shows.

> If New Japan talent was pushed on AEW television, you could argue that AEW, as No. 2, would be giving a boost to No. 3 in the U.S. Market. But there is question how NJPW can draw regularly with smaller shows and no television in the U.S. The recent San Jose show was a great sign, outdrawing NXT and having a far greater atmosphere and a much stronger show in a major NXT market.

> New Japan is still thinking house show business, but that’s yesterday’s business model for a major company.

> Running house shows with 1,000 to 2,000 fans won't get them a television deal. While there were reasons beyond All In that got AEW its TV deal, since Kevin Reilly and Khan started talking about it in April 2018 and All In wasn't until September, the success of All In was part of being able to pull off the deal. The idea was that single show indicated the potential popularity, atmosphere and a quality of product they proved they could put together. Plus, getting paying television in the U.S. is very difficult. NJPW got on only because Adam Swift grew up reading the Observer and trading for Japanese tapes, ended up as an executive for AXS. Impact got on only because its parent company bought a television station to get them on. ROH is on because it is owned by a television network. MLW has a television deal but is on the lowest rated prime time station and not available in much of the country. Even with Billy Corgan behind the NWA, he's had years and been unable to get a deal, which is where producing pilot episodes for YouTube became the new step.

> While New Japan has grown every year under Meij, his own words saying the goal was to triple revenue has not come close and can’t come close without huge TV rights fees. TV-Asahi, the company’s partner, already rebuffed attempts to get an increase in rights fees. The U.S. market isn't going to pay serious money for an unproven on a big television stage wrestling product unless it's either WWE, or someone who proves ahead to time to have real mainstream potential.

> Nothing was announced for next January. Meij had said that two Domes in a row would not be an annual thing, but gave the impression it could happen again. The general feeling is that it was very successful and will happen again, but they need the right attraction like the tournament over two days this year. Not announcing means they've left their options open for one show or two without making a public commitment. New Japan certainly has the overall talent depth to mix-and-match top guys, elevate some guys, but the kind of big debut like Jericho, or to a lesser extent Moxley, that pushes growth with New Japan World, looks much harder to come by with WWE contracts being so much higher and longer lasting, and AEW being the new alternative for people who, for whatever reason, don't want to be in WWE.

> The dates are harder next year because 1/4 and 1/5 are a Sunday and a Monday. 1/3 is the traditional Rice Bowl (Japanese college football, as in American style football championship game), so they can never get a show on 1/3. The idea of doing it the second week of the year breaks tradition, and the Tokyo Dome is already booked straight from 1/10 to 1/19 next year, so it would be impossible.

> The traditional biggest WWE house show of the year saw the first major title change on a house show in more than two years. Andrade beat Rey Mysterio to win the U.S. title on the 12/26 Madison Square Garden show before 12,000 fans, the smallest crowd I can recall for the annual Christmas week event.

> The last time a WWE major title (basically not the comedy 24/7 title that constantly changes hands) changed hands on a house show was July 17, 2017, when A.J. Styles beat Kevin Owens for the U.S. title, also in Madison Square Garden. Before that, the NXT title changed hands twice at house shows in 2016, with Samoa Joe beating Finn Balor in Lowell, MA and Shinsuke Nakamura beating Joe in Osaka, although the latter was taped for the NXT television show. Prior to that, the tag team titles changed hands at a house show in Oakland on January 15, 2012, when Primo & Epico beat Kofi Kingston & Evan Bourne, but that was an unplanned job as Bourne had failed a drug test and had to drop the title due to a suspension. It’s a good thing to do this on occasion, but it would be good also that it was somewhere other than MSG at times.

> The title change wasn’t a change of plans. Andrade was planned for the title, which is why he lost twice to Humberto Carrillo, to get Carrillo into the U.S. title chase. That was planned several weeks back but the NXT angle with A.J. Styles led to some changes and Carrillo lost steam, so they went with Mysterio. It also appears, at least by this week, that on the Raw side, there is an idea to do more things at house shows, such as the Randy Orton knee injury angle on the 12/29 show in Hershey, PA. The idea was to have Mysterio lose to set up Andrade to defend against babyface on the way up, and move Mysterio into the program with Owens & Samoa Joe against Seth Rollins & The AOP.
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Grandmaster Sexay - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:18:37 EST z+c6DKUE No.6345498 Reply
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> I guess because of the influx of tourists to Mexico City, the holiday business was super strong this year. The Christmas night show drew just over 10,000 fans to Arena Mexico. Two nights later they did more than 14,000 fans for the usual Friday night show. The 1/1 show was a complete sellout with 16,800 fans. And the 1/3 show did 11,500 fans. So CMLL has taken a big lead in the race to see who can draw the most big crowds in 2019, which in the end will come down to CMLL or WWE, and the idea another company given the resources could very legitimately beat WWE in that stat is quite telling

> ESPN Mexico had a doctor on to talk about the death of Mr. Niebla. He said that Niebla was too young to die from a blood infection unless there was something wrong with him. He speculated it was a diabetes issue that would have lowered his immune system. There are a lot of things that could have lowered his immune system given his lifestyle. They are expecting another big crowd on 1/24 for a show that is a Niebla tribute show

> The difference in the new Los Ingobernables angle and the La Sociedad angle that has been part of the company forever, is that in storyline, Rush wanted to bring back Los Ingobernables and joined forces with his biggest rival in L.A. Park. Konnan felt that pairing would make people furious at both of them because fans want to see them feud and the last thing they wanted was to see them as friends. The idea is they are pushing is that, without saying it, that the biggest star from CMLL and the biggest star on the indies are joining forces and then they invited Konnan to join. For now, Killer Kross will be with them but that probably won’t last a long time because they expect Kross with sign with someone in the U.S. soon. The idea is that Park told Marisela Pena that her best were not even in their league. Konnan said he won’t be around with them that much since Park and Rush can handle the promos on their own

> Konnan said the reason Kenny Omega was so over in Monterrey (more than even the established stars like Psycho Clown according to a few live reports) was because AAA is pushing him as one of the greatest wrestlers in the world and every time he’s come he’s had a great match. All the announcers constantly put him over which gives him credibility with a fan base that didn’t know him, but he also had to deliver in his big matches

> Octagon has claimed that he was won the exclusive rights to the name Octagon through the IMPI trademark service. Still, the IMPI web site lists AAA as owning the trademark to the Octagon name for pro wrestling. Octagon claimed that anyone not approved by him to use names like Octagon Jr., El Hijo del Octagon or Octagoncito will be jailed. Somehow I don’t think anyone is going to jail for that. Dorian Roldan then responded saying AAA owns all the Octagon trademarks. AAA is using an Octagon Jr. and an Octagoncito currently

> Cinta de Oro, the former Sin Cara in WWE, was announced as the new Director of International Development for the Wolverhampton Wanderers, a U.K. soccer team. The relationship between the two sides started when one of the players put on a Sin Cara mask after scoring a goal. This is likely more of a figurehead type of position.

> Dragon Gate are going to be doing more live English language broadcasting this year. Larry Dallas will be making frequent trips to Japan, the next being for several days to do the 1/31 Toryumon show followed by the February Korakuen Hall show

> Evidently when Doug Williams retired he was very serious about it to the point he got rid of his wrestling boots. When NOAH contacted him for the current tour, he actually borrowed boots from Jason Cross

> New Japan officially announced that there are no plans for television in the U.S. right now. This had been inevitable since Anthem purchased AXS. Really, the only way they could have kept was if they became an affiliate of Impact and that just wasn’t going to happen. New Japan did have that option but turned it down. As noted last week, this is more of a blow to New Japan in the U.S. than people recognize. Those in the bubble will say that you still have New Japan World, but the reality is that maybe has 50,000 subscribers outside of Japan, and that’s covering the rest of the world so maybe 35,000 in the U.S.

> For those 35,000, yeah, it makes no difference. But AXS, not New Japan World, is what made the new fan base and unless they get television, that fan base will dwindle in time. The funny thing is that when Harold Meij was hired as President, one of the things I figured he was there for was to strengthen U.S. television since that’s a place to generate new income if you could make a deal. But now the U.S. is Tezuka’s territory. It’ll be interesting to see if anyone shows interest, but really it takes a New Japan super fan in an executive position (Adam Swift in AXS) for this to happen. In the 80s, FNN/Score had Japanese fans in high positions which is how All Japan women got television. The funny thing is that for AXS and Fight Network, New Japan is actually perfect programming, but with them owning Impact, the last thing you would want is sharing the station with another promotion.

> The AXS deal with New Japan was negotiated through TV-Asahi, not through New Japan Pro Wrestling, and because of it, while New Japan was certainly aware of the potential of this once the sale was made, it wasn’t as of they had any kind of real advanced notice about it either. One station suggested to me that could have interest is Viceland, which drew big ratings for its pro wrestling documentaries and is in more homes than AXS. But that’s not a high profile station. But it’s more than what they have now. When Meij was hired, he vowed to triple revenue within three years. While the company has grown every year as far as revenue since he’s been there, those with knowledge of the situation noted that could only happen through massive new television deals. New Japan tried to renegotiate with TV-Asahi and couldn’t get big increase.

> Because TV-Asahi owns the video library and 50 percent of New Japan World, New Japan can’t really put itself out in the home market in Japan like WWE was able to do in the U.S. and run up bidding. For decades, New Japan was able to thrive based on being paid millions annually by TV-Asahi for rights, something no other wrestling company in the world had until really the 90s when USA started paying WWE millions for Raw. But when Spike came into the game in getting Raw, the value of Raw programming jumped greatly in 2001, and since then WWE’s television deals have exploded in value all over the world. Because Japanese sports and entertainment doesn’t translate outside of its culture at the level of the U.S., New Japan has never been able to get the kind of international deals WWE has gotten
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Vickie Guerrero - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:19:08 EST 9krVcjgU No.6345499 Reply
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Grandmaster Sexay - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:21:51 EST z+c6DKUE No.6345500 Reply
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> NHK, one of Japan’s major networks, will be doing a one-hour special on Meij in February. Meij is also slated to receive the Keizai-kai Global Businessman of the Year award this month. It would be the first time that award has gone to someone who wasn’t Japanese

> Manabu Nakanishi, 52, announced his retirement this week for the 2/22 show at Korakuen Hall. So Nakanishi, Tiger Hattori, Naoki Sano and Jushin Liger all are retiring in proximity with each other. Nakanishi noted that since suffering a major neck injury in 2011, he hasn’t been able to wrestle at the level he would like

> Mike Bailey had to pull out of his DDT tour due to Fed Ex losing his paperwork. His replacement documents weren’t going to be ready in time for him to work the big January dates which included two title shots. Bailey and Chris Brookes are DDT’s main foreign stars these days and he’s been a regular ever since he was banned from the U.S. for five years for attempting to come across the border without proper working papers.

> B.J. Whitmer and Kelly Klein have split up. Whitmer brought up it was due to her relationship with somebody else. Most have tabbed that as Adam Birch (Joey Mercury). That seems to explain a number of things. Birch had contacted a number of ROH wrestlers with the idea of getting them out of their contracts and him representing them with the idea they could make more money playing WWE and AEW against each other than they could in ROH. It didn’t go anywhere because it was felt Birch was trying to take down ROH to do so, and virtually nobody was in favor of that. Birch was banned from Twitter for comments about Whitmer, who now works for AEW backstage

> Eric Angle, who briefly worked for WWE on the main roster and in developmental, the older brother of Kurt Angle, pleaded guilty on 1/6 to steroid distribution charges. He was one of three men charged in an operation that prosecutors said manufactured and sold steroids and other controlled substances under the name qu4ntum. According to prosecutors, Eric Angle, Ronald Roginsky and John Ambrose, who also plead guilty, imported chemicals from China and shipped steroids throughout the U.S. with most business done on the darknet, but also on the regular web and some sales in person. “They were set for a trial that would start next week, and plea bargained down to drug conspiracy charges. Angle admitted buying 721 grams of liquid steroids for distribution. All three will be sentenced in April

> Andrea Hart, the wife of Bruce Hart, passed away on 12/27 at the age of 52. The only thing we heard is that she died suddenly in their home and that Bruce was taking it very hard. Her funeral took place on 1/9 in Calgary

> The ABC affiliate in San Francisco, KGO-TV, will be airing Championship Wrestling from Hollywood, sponsored by West Coast Pro Wrestling, on Saturday nights at 1:30 a.m. James Kincaid, the Golden State Warriors announcer will be the lost along with local independent performer Levi Shapiro. This is said to be the first time KGO has had a weekly wrestling show in 65 years

> An autobiography of Rocky Johnson, where Dwayne Johnson wrote the foreword, and was scheduled to be released by ECW Press, has been pulled due to a major dispute between Scott Teal, who wrote the book, and Johnson. Teal hasn’t commented on the nature of the dispute past the idea Johnson turned on him and the dispute was pretty serious. I really liked the book, which I just read, and unfortunately the only copy I have, and evidently won’t be able to get another, is somewhere on a Hawaiian Airlines jet

> MLW have teased the idea of a transformative announcement coming imminently. MLW did a good job when it came to selling tickets to its tapings in small venues, but there is a limit to growth on Bein, and Youtube numbers are less than NWA even with solid weekly television. As it is with almost everyone at this point, the amount of content produced by WWE, and with the addition of AEW, takes away people’s time and I can sense even with New Japan, unless it’s the biggest shows, that fewer people have the kind of time and MLW is one of the companies hurt in that eco-system. Obviously the goal of this year is to find a way to break out of that pack of companies

> Jeff Cobb has not signed a new deal with ROH. He was offered a new deal but turned it down. There were those in AEW pushing for him to come as well. Right now he’s said he’s going to go independent but would continue working for ROH as long as they want to use him. It looks like the situation with he and Colt Cabana, who also left, is that they want to work New Japan as the company does more U.S. dates. With it likely ROH would have dates the same nights as New Japan, if you have an ROH contract, you’d have to work there as your priority. Cabana actually never had an ROH deal, but was the TV announcer and theoretically some New Japan dates would coincide with dates needed for announcing

> There was a strategy change this year. Before, anyone over $40,000 a year would have to sign exclusive deals, meaning you could only work for ROH in the U.S. and Ontario, but on free dates could work outside those boundaries and get extra money. This year, the top guys were offered a lot more than in the past for exclusives, but a lot of guys were offered what I was called decent money for non-exclusives, meaning they can work indies in the U.S. and Ontario when not booked by ROH. The idea is to keep money in the budget if another guy like Dragon Lee is available that isn’t expected on the free agent market
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:21:54 EST iLikEToleARn No.6345501 Reply
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Positiveswould be rowan given an open world but as a monster on the indies at calgary, you can.
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Grandmaster Sexay - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:25:07 EST z+c6DKUE No.6345502 Reply
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> Impact opens the year with the Hard to Kill PPV, an inside shot at how the company has been written off for dead so many times but always survives, which is basically because over-and-over, they’ve been able at the last minute to get new money brought in. Even though they are near their all-time low as far as profile and having to rebuild from that period on the Pursuit Channel when nobody was watching, in other ways, the company is the most stable it has been in years. Anthem actually bought a television station specifically to showcase the promotion and then dumped one of the most popular shows on the station because they’d only keep them if they worked with Impact.

> Yet at the same time, Anthem really hasn’t opened up the checkbooks for talent when it comes to trying to up its profile. Ken Shamrock was asking for a lot to do indies and to his credit, physically looks amazing at 55, and he and Rob Van Dam, who is 49, are their biggest stars. They did get Rhino from WWE as Rhino wanted to be a featured player and that wasn’t happening in WWE, and Michael Elgin had the same issues with New Japan and came here. The promotion has been built around Tessa Blanchard’s quest to win the male world championship and also to beat Sami Callihan. This program was built for months, and carefully.

> They can’t quite say Blanchard would be the first woman to win a male world title in a company with national television, given Sexy Star did so in Lucha Underground. But it would be the first time a woman did so on a PPV event. This has been a clear long goal but done slowly. The idea is if they did it at first, some fans would resent the idea of a woman, and not a large woman at that, beating male heavyweights and being champion. So she kept losing to Callihan, first in the first time a woman faced a man on PPV, then in a title match after Callihan had won the title, with the idea fans would eventually get mad that Impact wasn’t giving her the belt after Slammiversary and remove the potential backlash of her winning.

> So the show seems built around Blanchard’s latest attempt to win the title from Sami Callihan. Whether this is the night they pull the trigger is the big question, but from the outside, this feels like the breaking point in the sense that if they don’t know it, they’ll miss the peak. But then becomes the question of how long they push her in that position, as the idea has clearly been for more than a year that Blanchard is the star of the company. And then the question becomes what happens when her contract comes up as she’ll seemingly be guaranteed a top spot here, but going back after the women’s title down the line seems like a backwards step, and she would be a natural for AEW with her father already working there and she could be the woman they could build that division around and AEW does lack that one woman for that position.

> The rest of the card has Ace Austin vs. Trey Miguel for the X title in a match built around the idea that Austin has been hitting on Miguel’s mother, Taya Valkyrie vs. Jordynne Grace vs. ODB for the Knockouts title, Ethan Page & Josh Alexander defend the tag titles against Rich Swann & Willie Mack, Eddie Edwards vs. Michael Elgin, Van Dam vs. Brian Cage, Moose vs. Rhino and Shamrock vs. Mad Man Fulton

> Impact announced its awards on its 12/28 and 1/4 television shows with Blanchard as Wrestler of the Year, Blanchard vs. Sami Callihan from Slammiversary as match of the year, Valkyrie as Knockout of the Year, Callihan winning the world title on the first episode on AXS as moment of the year, Mack as the one to watch in 2020, Swann as X Division Star of the Year, and Blanchard’s Magnum (codebreaker off the top rope) as the finisher of the year. The North won tag team of the year

> So this is funny. Cody Runnels’ attempt to trademark the name Dusty Rhodes was turned down because it was too similar to another trademark in wrestling. Apparently some guy named Dustin Runnels had trademarked the name Dustin Rhodes, and the trademark office thought that the names Dusty and Dustin were too close to allow a second trademark. So Cody has to redo his request

> The 1/8 AEW show in Southhaven, MS, drew 3,100 fans. It was the lowest to date, but the promotion locally of using the Memphis stars did help the walk up or it would have been worse. They got off to a terrible start, partially since Smackdown was there days earlier and tickets were on sale for that show first. They pushed the Memphis legends and had people like Ricky Morton, Robert Gibson, Dave Brown, Austin Idol, Jimmy Valiant, Randy Hales, Lanny Poffo and Doug Gilbert there but because of how much they had booked for television, the ceremony was taped for Dark and will be released next week.

> Former WCW announcer and reporter Chris Cruise, who has written to the Maryland commission regarding some of the stunts in the Kenny Omega vs. Dean Ambrose unsanctioned match, was told the commission is in the midst of concluding its investigation into the matter. Cruise said that he was told by a commission rep that the investigations conclusions would be sent to all commissions that still regulate pro wrestling in the U.S

> An Oklahoma firefighters pension fund which owns WWE stock filed a lawsuit on 12/26 against the company seeking documentation related to the WWE and XFL, believing that Vince McMahon and WWE have breached their duties to investors by starting the league and with the belief that WWE executives and resources will be used for the league. McMahon sold about $300 million in WWE stock to fund Alpha Entertainment, the parent company of the league, and assured people WWE and the XFL would be kept separate. The arguments are that McMahon will be distracted by the launch and take away from his WWE work. Okay, no matter what is said publicly, there are only so many hours in a day and that is undeniable.

> The other issue is that when the group that later became known as the AAF was formed, they offered WWE $50 million for the XFL name and its trademarks according to a lawsuit filed against Charlie Ebersol. It should be noted that in response to the lawyers for the pension fund (which owns all of 107 shares of WWE stock and that makes the cost of filing this suit and taking it to such lengths notable) that Jerry McDevitt, who represents Alpha Entertainment, said the Ebersol offering $50 million for the XFL rights was fabricated and also issued a declaration from Charlie Ebersol saying that he and his father never made an offer for the XFL name and trademarks to McMahon in 2017. The lawsuit also noted that McDevitt is a lawyer for both WWE and the XFL.

> As the story in a different lawsuit against Ebersol, WWE turned them down and at that point Vince started thinking about restarting the league. When the ESPN documentary produced by Charlie Ebersol aired, in hindsight it was a clear idea to revive the XFL, at least from Charlie Ebersol who put it together. It doesn’t appear Vince made any moves about starting the league until after Ebersol had his meeting with him. But WWE gave the name to McMahon for his Alpha Entertainment for $1 million plus WWE was given a percentage of XFL stock.

> That’s where it gets tricky, by doing so, it wasn’t as if they gave the trademarks away for $1 million after turning down $50 million, because they gave WWE a percentage of XFL ownership in exchange as well. That would appear to be the wiggle room in this argument. In addition, with WWE having stock in the company, would that mean WWE would be helping promote the league, which time will tell but one would expect to happen, and if so, how separate would they really be?
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Grandmaster Sexay - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:28:15 EST z+c6DKUE No.6345503 Reply
>>6345493
> The XFL announced a number of new rules for its season that starts in February. The plans are for a faster game, with a 25-second play clock instead of the NFL’s 40 seconds, a running game clock and halftime cut to ten minutes. There will be no kicked extra points. After a touchdown, the team will have an option to get the next play from the two yard line, worth one extra point, the five yard line which would be worth two points, or the ten yard line for three points. The idea is to make sure games end in well under three hours. They will also allow two forward passes on the same play, banned in the rest of football. But that’s only if the first forward pass didn’t cross the line of scrimmage. Also, for a complete pass on the sidelines, you only need to land with one foot in bounds, instead of two feet in the NFL.

> On kickoffs, the kicking team will line up on the 30 and receiving team on the 35. After a kickoff, nobody on either team is allowed to move except the kick returners and the kicker. They are allowed to then move once the returner has the ball. The idea is to have less time to run far distances full speed at the other team and cut back on the dangers of the special teams injuries. If a game is tied, instead of a traditional football overtime, the sides will alternate possessions from the opponents five-yard line. Each will get five plays and whoever gets into the end zone the most of the five would win. If the number is equal after each team has done its five plays, they will continue until one team scores and the other doesn’t. The season begins on 2/8

> BT Sports in the U.K. took over with the WWE television deal from Sky. The audience was expected to fall since Sky is more high profile but we haven’t heard anything on numbers yet. But AEW is by far the most-watched wrestling show in the country. BT Sports is adding both NXT and NXT U.K., with NXT going live. NXT is also going live on Fox8 in Australia, the same channel Raw and Smackdown air live on. The shows air at Noon local time the next day with the time difference

> Manuel Andrade, 30, proposed to girlfriend Charlotte Flair (Ashley Fliehr, 33) on New Year’s Eve. She has been married twice before, her first to a college football player and her second to Tom Latimer, who currently works in the NWA, who she met when both were in developmental in WWE

> Nikki Bella (Stephanie Nicole Garcia Colace), 36, also got engaged to boyfriend Artem Chigvintsev, 37, the Russian dancer who was her partner when she did Dancing With the Stars in 2017. The two have been public as a couple for more than a year. It would be her second marriage, and she was briefly married in 2003 before it was annulled. She got engaged to Cena at WrestleMania in 2017, but that was all planned out months in advance. They broke up at some point in 2018 with it being kept secret and a television version of their breakup was a storyline for Total Divas

> Matt Hardy is expected to leave WWE in March. He produced new Broken videos and offered an idea for a “Free the Delete” series to lead to his return with the old character. But they weren’t interested. Hardy is the leading speculated name for the leader of the Dark Order since they just started teasing a leader and Hardy just started putting out the videos. Plus, the Young Bucks and Broken Hardys had talked over a year-long program in ROH and Impact for three years ago, but when the Hardys got the WWE offer to return at Mania, they rushed through it. The problem here is that Jeff Hardy, who may not be on the same page right now with Matt since their wives went at it not that long ago in social media, has had a lot of time added to his WWE contract to due to injuries. So Jeff, if he is even interested in leaving, and he’s given no indication of that, couldn’t do so for a long time

> This is a true story and it shows how brainwashed some are. There was an international documentary being done on pro wrestling and both myself and Fumi Saito were involved this past week. They had interviewed people in WWE recently as well. I had actually blocked the director not that long ago because he asked me if it was true that Tony Khan actually bought all the tickets for those first day sold out events to make it appear the product was hot, given I seem to be a magnet for people who, for whatever reason, cling on to desperation wanting AEW to fail, even though I’ve never said once it’s a lock for them to succeed, just they’ve gotten off to a great start and their results thus far for a company getting started and selling tickets are strong. Anyway, the story came from people in WWE who explained to them that version, that the fast ticket sales and early sellouts were the company buying up all the tickets. So it’s actually a story propagated from within WWE talent or told to WWE talent from within the organization. You’d think people who see through the obvious, but I guess not

> Ember Moon told the story on how she tore her Achilles tendon, which required surgery. Carmella had won the 24/7 title so Moon was supposed to be one of the people chasing her, with Carmella being carried by R-Truth. She said she told R-Truth to run hard because she was going to and she didn’t want to catch him, but she wanted it to look real. So she was running hard and about to catch him, so put on the breaks to make sure she didn’t, and the Achilles popped

> C.M. Punk and Miz went at it this past week. Miz was a guest of WWE Backstage. They filmed a segment right after the show ended with Miz talking about how this was the best episode of the show so far and basically put Paige and Renee Young on the spot saying what episode was better. They didn’t say anything because really, both got it quickly that’s a no win. Miz then said, “Sorry I didn’t change the culture,” a barb at the line Punk used when he made his unannounced surprise debut on the show. Punk then, on Twitter, wrote, “Go suck a blood money covered dick in Saudi Arabia you f***ing dork.” Later Punk realized that wasn’t to be viewed well and deleted it. Luckily for him, he’s not a guy on the Jim Cornette list when it comes to enemies. While people were critical, it didn’t result in a reaction by FOX or WWE over the idea that someone on their show made a homophobic remark and then trying to force an apology. Really, it wasn’t that big of a reaction, but there was a reaction

> Lesnar will be the honorary coach of the University of Minnesota Wrestling team against Wisconsin on 1/10 as they celebrate the 20th anniversary of their 2000 NCAA championship, the year Lesnar himself was a key part of that championship team as he won the national heavyweight championship. Lesnar will also be honored during the event on his 3-2 overtime win over Wes Hand in the finals (Hand was his biggest rival his senior year) and all kids at the meet eighth grade or younger will be able to take a group picture with Lesnar. Lesnar was 55-3 in two season at Minnesota, placing second to future NFL star Stephen Neal in 1999, a 3-2 loss that cost Minnesota that year’s title. Neal went on to win the world championship at heavyweight that year, so Lesnar lost by one point to that year’s world champion

> Mercedes Martinez, 39, was signed to a developmental contract. It shows how much things have changed since Martinez has been one of the top women wrestlers in the country for more than a decade and was never what WWE was looking for, and that’s after looking good in the Mae Young Classic as it’s not like everyone didn’t know of her talent. Whether it’s stockpiling or wanting to make sure someone that talented doesn’t help another company’s women’s division, she was signed here. She had wrestled two matches with AEW but wasn’t signed there either
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Grandmaster Sexay - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 09:29:51 EST z+c6DKUE No.6345504 Reply
>>6345493
> Ryback, 38, born Ryan Reeves but legally having changed his name to Ryback Reeves, had attempted to trademark his name but WWE is also attempting to trademark his name, putting forth a claim at the last minute according to an interview Reeves did with Chris Van Vliet. “WWE re-filed for the Ryback trademark on the final day before I was set to get it, which I had to pay to get my trademark filed for it, and they re-filed on the final day, and my attorney notified me. Then I had a phone call with him, and he notified me that it’s gonna cost anywhere between $45,000 and $60,000 to cancel out their trademark on it and it’ll take anywhere from 12 to 18 months, and I’m probably going to get it, but I actually sent them a message I think I sent Mark Carrano a message, nothing mean, just like, `I wish you guys would cancel this, drop this on your own. I will be very upset if you don’t drop this on your own.

> WWE announced its main roster awards on the Christmas Eve backstage show. Bray Wyatt was named male superstar of the year and Becky Lynch was named female superstar of the year. I wonder the last time the winner of an award had nothing but bad big show matches all year (well, aside from the Bryan match which was pretty good). The New Day won tag team of the year. The Kabuki Warriors won women’s tag team of the year. The Street Profits won breakthrough stars of the year. Kingston winning the WWE title at WrestleMania was named moment of the year

> In Canadian ratings, the 12/23 Raw show did 203,600 viewers with 99,300 ages 25-54. Smackdown on 12/20 did 129,500 viewers with 41,300 in ages 25-54. That means it fell significantly below what AEW does in the key demo, although beat all but a few weeks of AEW in overall. Smackdown was hurt because it went head-to-head with the two biggest sports draws on Canadian television, the Maple Leafs (703,000 viewers) and Raptors (531,400 viewers). Raw went against the Raptors (544,500) and Monday Night Football (596,700). Raw on 12/30 did 274,500 viewers for the wedding, which is a big number, and 145,400 in 25-54. Smackdown on 1/3 was the most watched sports show in Canada of the night due to a lack of hockey games of major interest, doing 167,700 viewers and 84,200 in 25-54.

> The lack of big events also led to NXT being No. 4 with 98,000 viewers and 46,100 in 25-54 and Main Event being No. 10 with 65,600 viewers and 27,000 in 25-54. The 1/6 Raw did 232,700 viewers and 123,500 in 25-54, which was No. 3 behind two NHL games, the biggest being a Maple Leafs game that did 798,900 viewers. AEW on 1/1 didn’t crack the top ten, but that was due to the WJC dominating the ratings and the No. 10 position was 167,600 viewers, which would be higher than AEW has ever done. AEW on 1/8 did 89,300 viewers and 54,000 in 25-54 with killer competition from both the Maple Leafs doing 1,231,600 viewers and the Raptors doing 453,000. \It was also noted to me by someone who works in Canadian sports media how TSN does not promote AEW anywhere near how Sportsnet promotes WWE or how TNT promotes AEW

> Lars Sullivan’s name was actually one of the most searched terms on Google for a day a few weeks back when it somehow came out that he was involved in a gay porn video, believed to be before he was in WWE. Nobody from the company has commented on this. Sullivan has been out of action since April when he underwent reconstructive knee surgery. He was about to get a huge push last year, including beating Cena at WrestleMania and being off to the races, but then disappeared. He had made racist and homophobic remarks before he started in WWE as a message board troll, which, even though WWE knew about them and they’d come up before, led to WWE fining him $100,000 at the time. But there is nothing else known at this point regarding if this changes things within the company or not

> WWE returned this past week on Russian TV. Their old deal with a 2x2 channel expired and they got a new deal with local media TV holding MatchTV. Negotiations date back to the spring of 2016 during the Wrestlemania 32 weekend in Texas. Starting this week WWE RAW and WWE SmackDown the will be broadcasting live on the Match Fighter cable channel with a fee of $6.44 per month for a subscription. This is the station that airs major MMA and boxing events. The talk is that if WWE shows draw good ratings, MatchTV will move it to their federal free channel, which averages 1.7 million viewers and 6% of share in prime time. That station pulls big numbers broadcasting UFC PPVs for free

> Titus O’Neil was named Grand Marshall of the Tampa Knights Parade on 2/8

> For a Smackdown taping in San Jose, they are advertising a dark match (which means based on past odds there’s a slim chance it happens) with Reigns vs. Corbin in a loser has to eat dog food match
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Hurricane Helms - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:31:32 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6345520 Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Hurricane Helms - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:31:32 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6345521 Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Jazz - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 10:49:56 EST BYSrBvF7 No.6345529 Reply
>>6345501
I'm not really sure the Calgary territory is all that active anymore Netjester, to serve as a place to send Rowan on excursion to go on a monster heel run up there.
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Grandmaster Sexay - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 12:29:20 EST z+c6DKUE No.6345555 Reply
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>>6345493
It's that time of the year again. Will there be a five star match at the Tokyo Dome?

NJPW WRESTLE KINGDOM 14: DAY 1 STAR RATINGS:
> STARDOM DARK MATCH: Mayu Iwatani & Arisa Hoshiki beat Hana Kimura & Giulia in 9:04 **1/2
> Toa Henare & Clark Connors & Karl Fredericks & Alex Coughlin beat Togi Makabe & Tomoaki Honma& Yota Tsuji & Yuya Uemura in 7:36. **1/2
> Satoshi Kojima & Hiroyoshi Tenzan beat Yuji Nagata & Manabu Nakanishi in 5:47. *1/2
> Naoki Sano & Ryusuke Taguchi & Tatsuhito Takaiwa & Shinjiro Otani beat Jushin Liger & Tatsumi Fujinami & Great Sasuke & Tiger Mask in 8:52. **3/4
> Minoru Suzuki & Zack Sabre Jr. & Taichi & Desperado beat Evil & Sanada & Shingo Takagi & Bushi in 8:39. **3/4
> Hirooki Goto & Toru Yano & Yoshi-Hashi & Tomohiro Ishii beat KENTA & Bad Luck Fale & Yujiro Takahashi & Chase Owens in 8:17. **1/2
> Juice Robinson & David Finlay won the IWGP tag titles from Tama Tonga & Tanga Loa in 13:25. ***
> Jon Moxley beat Lance Archer in a Texas death match to win the U.S. title in 14:26. ***1/2
> Hiromu Takahashi pinned Will Ospreay in 24:33 to win the IWGP jr. title. *****1/5 FIVE AND A QUARTER STAR MATCH
> Tetsuya Naito pinned Jay White in 33:54 to win the IC title. ****1/2
> Kazuchika Okada retained the IWGP heavyweight title beating Kota Ibushi in 39:16. *****1/2 FIVE AND A HALF STAR MATCH

NJPW WRESTLE KINGDOM 14: DAY 2 STAR RATINGS:
> Tomohiro Ishii & Yoshi-Hashi & Robbie Eagles beat Chase Owens & Yujiro Takahashi & Bad Luck Fale in 3:40 in the first match of a gauntlet series for the Never Open weight title. *1/2
> Tomohiro Ishii & Yoshi-Hashi & Robbie Eagles beat Desperado & Yoshinobu Kanemaru & Taichi in 3:54. *1/4
> Evil & Bushi & Shingo Takagi beat Tomohiro Ishii & Yoshi-hashi & Robbie Eagles in 5:22. **
> Evil & Bushi & Shingo Takagi beat champions Togi Makabe & Ryusuke Taguchi & Toru Yano in the gauntlet finals to win the titles in 6:08. **1/4
> Hiromu Takahashi & Ryu Lee beat Jushin Liger & Naoki Sano in Liger’s retirement match in 12:16 ***1/2
> Sho & Yoh won the IWGP jr. tag titles over El Phantasmo & Taiji Ishimori in 14:08. ***1/2
> Zack Sabre Jr. retained the British heavyweight title over Sanada in 12:32. ****
> Jon Moxley pinned Juice Robinson in 12:48 to retain the U.S. title. **3/4
> Hirooki Goto pinned KENTA to win the Never Open weight title in 16:12. **1/2
> Jay White pinned Kota Ibushi in 24:58. ***
> Chris Jericho beat Hiroshi Tanahashi in 22:24. ****1/4
> Tetsuya Naito pinned Kazuchika Okada in 35:37 to win the IWGP heavyweight title and retain the IC title and become the first ever holder of both titles at the same time. ****3/4
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Bubba Ray Dudley - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 12:39:06 EST hcUFcp+9 No.6345558 Reply
>>6345555
>KENTA vs Goto 2.5*
The fuck? How in the hell is it rated as worse than matches like the LIJ vs SZKG tag from night 1?
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Sassy Stephie - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 13:02:49 EST uVCJsa/W No.6345566 Reply
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>>6345503
> Mercedes Martinez, 39, was signed to a developmental contract.
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Okada - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 15:27:39 EST 4pyknXit No.6345598 Reply
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Lars Sullivan is gonna end up on Reliving Wrestling as his next Documentary report for he's now long since ascended past just being a clone of Gene Snitsky

I've never seen an NXT call-up fuck up to an insane degree as Lars has from the racist tweets, to the injuries that put him on the shelf, to the fucking gay porn that shown up all over the Internet he's gonna end up like Ryback working bottom of the barrel indie promotions making 500 in carny money wrestling behind wal-marts in front of crowd of like 4 people

You're exactly what Vince wants as a wrestler and not ONE THING has gone right for you
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Okada - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 15:41:15 EST 4pyknXit No.6345603 Reply
>>6345602

Wasn't it about mexicans or something which was ironic because he was told to feud against the Lucha House Party?
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Miyako Matsumoto - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 15:44:45 EST xC7SW/lo No.6345605 Reply
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>>6345603

From WOL 1/10/2020

>"...NXT IS ABOUT TO BE CANCELED!!!" -Bryan Alvarez
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Nick Papagiorgio - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:06:46 EST wHKEPzNe No.6345626 Reply
>>6345605
You missed the really important thing he said

>"Jim brought me a furry home from Japan!" - Bryan Alvarez 1/10/2020
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Rowdy Roddy Piper - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:29:33 EST uiGXP52j No.6345632 Reply
>>6345558

Dave likes what Dave likes.
Same reason why things like Okada vs Ibushi will never match his ratings for Okada vs Omega.
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Anarquia - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 17:31:02 EST vCkiVt97 No.6345633 Reply
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>WWE draws 12k
>"that's the lowest number I can remember for that show"
>AEW draws 3k
>"that's low BUT they did better than they could have because reasons"
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 18:01:54 EST M1ahJWky No.6345642 Reply
>>6345495
>Those in AEW were frustrated with the idea that there was a fan base that no matter what, had this mentality that New Japan could do no wrong

I wonder who was responsible for that mentality.
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Harlem Bravado - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 18:14:23 EST jkHcIii8 No.6345645 Reply
>>6345503
>On kickoffs, the kicking team will line up on the 30 and receiving team on the 35. After a kickoff, nobody on either team is allowed to move except the kick returners and the kicker.

This will result in line-drive squib kicks, without kick coverage running downfield there would be no advantage to hang time

>a running game clock
Not sure what is meant by this. If they mean no clock stoppages for injury , scoring or change of possession this is going to be super clusterfucky.

Also no one will try the two-pointer in that conversion system. It will probably be all 3 point tries

nb for sports
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Tiger Mask - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 19:54:03 EST LI44JGTB No.6345666 Reply
>>6345502
>> Former WCW announcer and reporter Chris Cruise, who has written to the Maryland commission regarding some of the stunts in the Kenny Omega vs. Dean Ambrose unsanctioned match, was told the commission is in the midst of concluding its investigation into the matter. Cruise said that he was told by a commission rep that the investigations conclusions would be sent to all commissions that still regulate pro wrestling in the U.S
This dude sounds like a gigantic douche.
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Brian Gewirtz - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 21:03:10 EST T5Ycresu No.6345684 Reply
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it's from leddit I know
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Chyna - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 21:19:31 EST CXBa0qkv No.6345689 Reply
>>6345684
David Starr, Brian Cage and Ethan Page have all said similar stuff in recent history so it's not exactly hard to believe
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Tiger Mask - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 21:23:44 EST LI44JGTB No.6345690 Reply
>>6345684
This is more or less confirmed at this point, but expect retards outside of here to turn it into company warz shit if it blows up.
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AC !QqL8nX9URE - Fri, 10 Jan 2020 22:13:03 EST 6VrC0Wv6 No.6345703 Reply
>>6345666
I was going to consider him some sort of snitch but then I read his long ass facebook post and really he was more taking the piss out of the commission trying to hold them accountable. I mean they had a rep there, AEW paid for the shit; why do they get paid if they don't enforce their own rules?


Here's more rules they broke lmao Some of these are straight up goofy like the top rope shit that is done in every match everywhere. I'd imagine trying to enforece even a fraction of this shit would be a good way to run wrestling out of your state entirely. The no blood rule spooked WWE away from Kentucky for a long ass time.

>I'll be asking the Maryland State Athletic Commission why it didn't enforce its own rules at AEW Full Gear. Here are some of those rules. See esp. (m).

F. Prohibited Activities.

(1) The following actions are prohibited:
(a) Striking an opponent with a fist or using the knuckles;
(b) Scratching or gouging the opponent;
(c) Butting the opponent;
(d) Slamming an opponent into a ring post;
(e) Striking an opponent with a foreign object;
(f) Kicking an opponent unless a recognized wrestling move;
(g) Stranglehold;
(h) Pulling hair;
(i) Inhibiting breathing by covering the nose and mouth at the same time;
(j) Jumping from the ring ropes onto an opponent;
(k) Deliberately leaving the ring enclosure during a contest;
(l) Unsportsmanlike or physically dangerous conduct; and
(m) Deliberately lacerating oneself or one's opponent, or, by any other means, introducing human or animal blood into the ring.
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Ricochet - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 00:01:11 EST GeKMNMnD No.6345713 Reply
> Apparently some guy named Dustin Runnels had trademarked the name Dustin Rhodes

Uh, Golddust?
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Sonny Siaki - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 03:15:54 EST akwE3tdE No.6345725 Reply
Feel like Kazu/Naito deserves a flat 5. The Ibushi match was certainly better, but still. 4 and 3 quarters feels a bit cheap.
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King RIKI - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 03:19:51 EST gZocz31c No.6345726 Reply
>>6345725
Well you're not dave, you're not rating the matches, and you not fucking important so fuck off.
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The Esperanza - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 03:45:22 EST 64716ewP No.6345733 Reply
>>6345726

Neither is Dave Meltzer. Literally any one of us could do his job better than he can.
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Mark Madden - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 04:47:01 EST dIgsT3uU No.6345737 Reply
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>>6345503
>Ember Moon told the story on how she tore her Achilles tendon, which required surgery. Carmella had won the 24/7 title so Moon was supposed to be one of the people chasing her, with Carmella being carried by R-Truth. She said she told R-Truth to run hard because she was going to and she didn’t want to catch him, but she wanted it to look real. So she was running hard and about to catch him, so put on the breaks to make sure she didn’t, and the Achilles popped
>mfw ember moon is out for a long ass time because she wanted to make a comedy act look good

being an ember moon fan is suffering.
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Rocky Johnson - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 04:49:27 EST paVFtBuh No.6345738 Reply
Just want to appreciate Dave put this whole-ass Dia de los Inocentes joke in print, then mailed it out, in the year of our lord 2020

> Cinta de Oro, the former Sin Cara in WWE, was announced as the new Director of International Development for the Wolverhampton Wanderers, a U.K. soccer team. The relationship between the two sides started when one of the players put on a Sin Cara mask after scoring a goal. This is likely more of a figurehead type of position.

issa bit
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 04:49:31 EST iLikEToleARn No.6345739 Reply
>>6345738
Like any church or the indies would struggle to keep the quality of the top of the rose has a lot simpler to skip our era.
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Sonny Siaki - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 05:11:37 EST akwE3tdE No.6345740 Reply
>>6345726
Hahahahahaha you're a geek bru. There's no one wrestling journos that are important when it comes to rating matches, but because Dave is the most prolific his ratings do matter in some small way. Voicing my disagreement with them is perfectly fine
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[name redacted] !h55/E7mIo6 - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 05:29:11 EST NYOd8uVJ No.6345741 Reply
>>6345558
In the WOR he talked about how his perception of the match wasn't that great because he was in the luxury box in the big arena, so he couldn't really hear how stiff the shots were or see a lot of the intricacies.
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Byron Saxton - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 05:53:40 EST UxqzyQxl No.6345742 Reply
>>6345741
people take the opinions of this man as facts while he openly talks about not rating a match too high because he couldn't hear the choppas loud enough from where he was in the crow lol
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Byron Saxton - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 06:17:52 EST UxqzyQxl No.6345745 Reply
>>6345743
i'm saying that his opinion is very personal due to the position he found himself in while most people who read his star ratings and assimilate them as some unquestionable factual evidence did not have the same kind of problem that led to him reduced his ratings
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Chavo Guerrero - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 06:19:36 EST cfOXxE22 No.6345746 Reply
>>6345684
Lol I love how HHH was saying just 1 month ago how he only picked "UK indies" that looked after the performers to partner with, and that's why he wouldn't let his wrestlers perform for other promotions.

Yet Gabe is his number 1 dicksucker and he does this shit
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Sable - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 10:24:04 EST BlrIoG3o No.6345780 Reply
>>6345741
He also said that "people on the floor told the ratings were a quarter star or half star off"

Lol how the hell could anyone determine that? What an arbitrary measure

He's also said on Twitter that his star ratings are not based on personal preference without saying what they're actually based off

Plus let's not forget omega vs mox " I hated it but crowd loved it: 5 stars"
Hogan vs Andre "I hated it but crowd loved it: dud"

There is a weird defensiveness around his ratings as it's become more clear that they're inconsistent, motivated by a lot of personal biases, and too many inexperienced wrestlers tried to get good reviews and turned in boring, lifeless displays of movez
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Paul Bearer - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 10:33:01 EST SfSDlAos No.6345785 Reply
>>6345684
B-but Heyman said he was good! Heyman knows what he's talking about!
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Greg Iron - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 10:55:00 EST IAs11vJ5 No.6345788 Reply
>>6345726
That thread where someone said dave meltzer doesnt have drone fans like russo and cornette should see this post. This is your average meltzer die hard. This thread has more examples but this is the worst. Dont question anything he says.
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MVP - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 12:29:32 EST GXHNtkkw No.6345803 Reply
>>6345498
that's nice of Dave to include cubsfan's lucha news from a week and a half ago for the people who don't go by cubfan's site
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Lizzy Valentine - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 16:34:26 EST R3JDcKWt No.6345931 Reply
>>6345788
>This is your average meltzer die hard.
Considering you see opinions this extreme so rarely I'd haardly he he's repesentative of the "average"
Trying to say this is what all people who pay attention to Melzter is just a lie.
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Mildred Burke - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:47:35 EST kCTdy0pI No.6345955 Reply
>>6345598
>he's gonna end up like Ryback working bottom of the barrel indie promotions making 500 in carny money wrestling behind wal-marts in front of crowd of like 4 people

tbf Ryback apparently has little interest in wrestling and just wants to shill bodybuilding supps.
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Super Dragon - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 17:59:13 EST 1Y4Ql+Ih No.6345962 Reply
>>6345955
He's been too hurt too wrestle recently. He was exactly for those kinds of feds before he got hurt though.
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Monster C - Sat, 11 Jan 2020 22:14:39 EST kcJxkzQu No.6346021 Reply
>>6345858
not really considering the post in question is such a blatant false-flag
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Christian - Sun, 12 Jan 2020 05:13:51 EST g75mP+TH No.6346085 Reply
>>6345500
> Mike Bailey had to pull out of his DDT tour due to Fed Ex losing his paperwork. His replacement documents weren’t going to be ready in time for him to work the big January dates which included two title shots. Bailey and Chris Brookes are DDT’s main foreign stars these days and he’s been a regular ever since he was banned from the U.S. for five years for attempting to come across the border without proper working papers.

Man, Bailey can't catch a break, can he?
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Terry Funk - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 04:25:36 EST Q6Esau3f No.6346639 Reply
Does NJPW now have more 5 star matches than AJPW?
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Leia Meow - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 07:23:50 EST NQLCELKx No.6346648 Reply
>>6345566
>>6345568
Even if they didn't outright tell her, they're definitely signing her mainly to be a coach and producer later.
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Leia Meow - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 13:12:32 EST NQLCELKx No.6346717 Reply
>>6346654
If Ospreay wears some Misawa inspired gear someday, we'll know that he's in on the jokey observation too.
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Jay Lethal - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 13:46:47 EST VBqqbIBW No.6346731 Reply
Dave is right that apologizing on Twitter means nothing to people.
Hope Impact and Tessa figure out a way to atone for everything
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Britani Knight - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 13:52:26 EST 64716ewP No.6346732 Reply
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>>6346731

Tessa did nothing wrong. It's all hearsay unless she admits to everything.
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Mean Smark Callous !DCxC2Z8fnY - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 14:00:56 EST mHVC6D8M No.6346738 Reply
>>6346731

I kind of wonder if there's a way Impact can spin it so Tessa turns heel due to the controversy. Like, what if Tessa comes out to give a promo celebrate her World Title win and Sami Callihan being the vile, reprehensible person comes out to ruin it...except he doesn't. Instead, Sami says he was reading Twitter over the weekend and he has a newfound respect for Tessa. This causes Tessa to go on a rant about people who automatically believe what they read online and who have turned their backs on her. Sami and Tessa end the segment shaking hands.
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The Warlord - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:50:41 EST BlrIoG3o No.6346783 Reply
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Callux the Castigator from CHIKARA Involved in Dog Grooming Scandal
>The Inquirer recently posted an article involving Doggie Style Pets and how the place groomed Maltese pups that were 12 years old and one ended up dying:
https://www.inquirer.com/news/doggie-style-maltese-groomer-death-howard-nelson-steven-roemer-20200113.html

>The Roemers were the family that had this awful experience happen to them and they stated that they weren’t assigned a typical groomer, they were assigned Tom Bente, the family stated that “Bente’s passion wasn’t for dog grooming, but professional wrestling.”

>The Roemers have stated that the gentleman was 300 pounds and a student at the Chikara Wrestle Factory.

>A source told Bodyslam.net that the gentleman referenced in this scandal, Tom Bente, is known as Callux the Castigator from Chikara.
https://www.bodyslam.net/2020/01/13/exclusive-callux-the-castigator-from-chikara-involved-in-dog-grooming-scandal/

...
"The Roemers in turn countersued, alleging that Doggie Style’s beefy, 300-pound amateur wrestler working as a groomer tied a loop too tightly around their dogs’ necks. The grooming loop typically serves as a leash to keep the dogs in one place.

Teddy died later that day, and the Roemers claim their veterinarian confirmed it was due to his neck injuries."

"Instead of the regular groomer at the Narberth location, the Roemers were assigned Tom Bente, whose “passion was not dog grooming, but professional wrestling,” the Roemer lawsuit said.

Weighing about 300 pounds, he “is a devoted student at the Chikara Wrestle Factory,” the suit said."
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Headbanger Mosh - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:53:27 EST zW69nX7F No.6346790 Reply
>>6346731
>Dave is right that apologizing on Twitter means nothing to people.
he's right, twitter people are kinda insane
>Hope Impact and Tessa figure out a way to atone for everything
they will do jack shit and keep with the program
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Ivan Putski - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 16:58:40 EST PvOQ6M5D No.6346794 Reply
>>6346790
>they will do jack shit and keep with the program
Yeah, they already did by putting the belt on her. it'll be forgotten shortly anyway
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Blackjack Mulligan - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:31:10 EST 9krVcjgU No.6346821 Reply
>>6346806
>Triple H said he wants to see them both live healthy lives. Triple H also mentioned that Edge has kids and then added, “Paige maybe. She probably has some that she doesn’t know of.”
Is he implying that Paige has a dick
I need more information on this potential futa surprise
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Trytan - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 17:58:44 EST zNyQb9LL No.6346848 Reply
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Hopefully uncle Paul and his shitty little pseudo global takeover both get cancelled
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Gillberg - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 18:01:24 EST dYhrmb6W No.6346851 Reply
>>6345598
>he's gonna end up like Ryback working bottom of the barrel indie promotions
IIRC Ryback hasn't wrestled since like 2018. Now he's a podcaster that sells snake oil gym supplements.
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Pat Patterson - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 18:08:55 EST eJL3dsBr No.6346858 Reply
>>6346806
lol. Guess Triple H doesn't know that in 2020 you're not even allowed to mildly imply that being a whore is a bad thing.
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Primo - Mon, 13 Jan 2020 18:12:00 EST RIMHP1wE No.6346863 Reply
>>6345527
The wedding on Raw did numbers too. The TV equivalent of rubbernecking when it's so awful you can't look away.
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Deuce - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 03:55:15 EST EzHtISnX No.6347034 Reply
Hasn't Ricochet also been in gay porn? In a clip in which he was blindfolded?
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Crash Holly - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 04:07:40 EST 3pnORstM No.6347038 Reply
>>6346841
Paige once again finds herself with a man who has aspirations to pick a fight with her boss, who could care less who he is.
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Terry Funk - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 04:08:26 EST Q6Esau3f No.6347039 Reply
I wonder if Kenny Omega leaving NJPW is similar to when Genichiro Tenryu left AJPW in 1990. Baba didn't want Tenryu back after that and he didn't return until after Baba died and the NOAH split had already happened.
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Johnny C. - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 04:10:28 EST JC9WWRCu No.6347040 Reply
>>6347034
Thought Ricochet just had that fingering his asshole video but maybe I missed something, I dunno
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Nicky - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 04:19:08 EST TeF94b2Z No.6347042 Reply
>>6346818

He will make a phony apology and then be praised for his maturity and "growth"
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Hieracon - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 10:43:14 EST GXHNtkkw No.6347084 Reply
>>6347038
>who could care less who he is
fortunately everybody outside of wrestling feels the same way about Triple H
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Steve The Turtle Weiner - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 10:56:54 EST b6Ee22oP No.6347085 Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Johnny C. - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 11:23:52 EST JC9WWRCu No.6347086 Reply
>>6347084
Most wrestlers are only cared about in the wrestling bubble. But Triple H is on a way higher level of fame than that dude, so seems like a weird draw card here.
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Hieracon - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 12:48:44 EST GXHNtkkw No.6347108 Reply
>>6347086
oh, new cokebro for Paige is in wrestling? I don't follow USA/UK indie panto wrestling so I wouldn't know
from the reax I figured he was some Social Media spaz or something
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Danny Havoc - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 15:46:33 EST sjQ34s1G No.6347136 Reply
>>6347132

Triple H is a B-Tier celebrity as far as wrestlers go.

A-Tier celebrities: Hogan, The Rock, maybe Cena/Stone Cold/Macho Man/Batista

B-Tier is everybody else who was top of the company they're kind of iconic and have had times in mainstream stardom; but, only remembered for their wrestling work. HBK, Bret Hart, Sting, Nash, CM Punk, etc.

Vince is in a class of his own. Steph/Shane/HHH have authority but they're not THE boss. Kane, Ventura and their ilk are strange cases.

I don't care about Paige's new bf or his attention seeking tweets.
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Johnny C. - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 16:11:28 EST JC9WWRCu No.6347142 Reply
>>6347133
Some apparent group fight. Someone decided they'd shoot a dude. So he was involved but didn't pull the trigger. Did jail time though.
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El Santo - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 21:16:37 EST g1wrduBH No.6347254 Reply
>everyone arguing about Wyatt's dumb box
I dont even watch wwe and just from WOR recaps I can tell its the fucking buzzard
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Cheyenne Cher - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 21:49:27 EST b6Ee22oP No.6347260 Reply
Not to get too off-discussion but I was always surprised Austin wasn't more famous to non-fans
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Greg Gagne - Tue, 14 Jan 2020 23:24:35 EST VsqIuhiU No.6347271 Reply
>>6347260
Well besides the expendables and his recent TV show I can't really think of anything else he's done besides wrestling.
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Terry Funk - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 04:45:17 EST Q6Esau3f No.6347308 Reply
Someone once said this about Haitch. Anyone agree?

"Without Chyna HHH never gets over in WWE. Ever. That's not even a shot at Hunter, it's just a fact."
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Aika Ando - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 04:46:21 EST LUMg+nxK No.6347310 Reply
>>6347308
No?

Without Shawn Michaels, Hunter never got over, chyna was a quiet bruiser for the longest time
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Johnny Swinger - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:22:07 EST rINFNkTc No.6347382 Reply
>>6347310
REMINDER: Paul Levesque is never THE guy; he's only work for THE ACTUAL guy.
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Mitch Ryder - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:29:15 EST l6wIvguW No.6347383 Reply
>>6347308
True. Chyna as his manager made him. Fuck, his best match before being pushed to the moon had Chyna climbing a ladder and getting involved. Triple H would have benefitted from a slow build to being the main event guy but WWE couldn't wait and did it too soon. People forget he was failing so bad they HAD to reform DX to try to get him some heat (they literally cut a promo about raping a girl at this time to get heat). He never got that next level. WWE would never admit it but everyone knows it.
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Big Dick Dudley - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:38:12 EST z+c6DKUE No.6347385 Reply
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Breaking News - AEW Dynamite Extended Through 2023
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Big Dick Dudley - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:42:54 EST z+c6DKUE No.6347387 Reply
>>6347386
It's probably just gonna be Dark except on TV. Which is good because then the show can actually be fucking timed properly.
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The Boogeyman - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 11:47:09 EST XT6RNwZO No.6347388 Reply
>>6347385
>>6347386
>>6347387
Imagine how WWE militarists feel right now. The shitposting is going to get worse.

Tbh AEW needs a second show. Maybe not 2hrs but there are so many on the roster who might be great but don't get tv time
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Mickie James - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:03:08 EST BlrIoG3o No.6347390 Reply
>>6347388
>>6347387
I hope it's just Dark and think it'd be better off on a weekend spot... like 6pm on TBS.

I get that they have too many people on their roster... but they if they structured Dynamite better, with more packages, promos and cut time on kickout fests, it would help. Also, maybe don't sign so many people?
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Bison Smith - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:07:05 EST v+E41uU7 No.6347391 Reply
>>6347387
How is having a 2nd show on TV gonna make the first show properly timed?
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Mickie James - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:20:48 EST BlrIoG3o No.6347394 Reply
>>6347392
>wanting *more* kickouts, flips, sloppiness, and mistimed crescendoes and less character development & emotional investment

zoomer
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Mickie James - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:23:17 EST BlrIoG3o No.6347395 Reply
>>6347385
>Our Dave Meltzer is reporting the deal is for four years and $175 million, just under $45 million per year, and includes TNT having an option for 2024 at a significantly increased price.

>Additionally, the Wednesday press release mentioned that WarnerMedia and AEW will launch another show, but didn't provide any additional information other than it being on "another night". WarnerMedia oversees TNT, TBS, and truTV in addition to HBO Max, a new OTT streaming service that is launching this May, so it's not a definite the new program will also be on TNT.

>Meltzer said that, "When the new show launches, the Wednesday tapings would expand and also include matches taped for the streaming show Dark which is not going away. This means there will be four hours a week of the product, allowing more time to showcase more talent, which has been limited by the current format."
https://www.f4wonline.com/aew-news/aew-dynamite-extended-through-2023-warnermedia-adding-second-show-301771
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Big Dick Dudley - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:26:32 EST z+c6DKUE No.6347397 Reply
>>6347395
>"When the new show launches, the Wednesday tapings would expand and also include matches taped for the streaming show Dark which is not going away"
>Expecting people to sit through four hours of flippy vanilla midgets doing the same out of ring dives every week
Really would be better if it was just Dark on TV...
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Masaaki Mochizuki - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:39:31 EST dk7XSlpg No.6347401 Reply
>>6347395
So AEW will probably become profitable much faster than expected.
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Mickie James - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:49:30 EST BlrIoG3o No.6347404 Reply
>>6347402
I do. You're right, more promos are not needed. That's why Tony Schiavone having to reference Dr Luther's one 10 second cameo from a month prior is why his debut connected so well and to such a huge positive response from the crowd.
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Hiroshi Tanahashi - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:51:51 EST tohb2a1F No.6347405 Reply
>>6347401
It’s on a network available in 90 million American homes in a prime time slot and has commercials every four minutes. I don’t think there was a question of whether it’s make money or not.
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Milano Collection A.T. - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:52:04 EST 2+or66tt No.6347406 Reply
>>6347404
Lol Butcher and Blade seem to be doing fine and they got less. Maybe tune in and see what happens this week. Not every piece of the story needs to unfold at once
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Mickie James - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 12:56:08 EST BlrIoG3o No.6347407 Reply
>>6347406
>Lol Butcher and Blade seem to be doing fine
what are you basing this on? the fact they're working QT Marshall tonight and have been selling for DDP?

>Maybe tune in and see what happens this week. Not every piece of the story needs to unfold at once
This is some real "LJSWTG circa WWE 2011" energy
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Bison Smith - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:04:51 EST v+E41uU7 No.6347411 Reply
>>6347406
>Lol Butcher and Blade seem to be doing fine and they got less

>DUD of a debut
>beaten in their 2nd match
>miss some shows and are not missed at all
>show up again to be taken out by 60 year-old DDP
Is this "doing fine" these days?
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Hiroshi Tanahashi - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 13:34:42 EST tohb2a1F No.6347424 Reply
>>6347410
Their production is paid for and they have a reportedly “massive” downside deal for ads along with station incentives for drawing in viewers. Maybe take your own advice, lad.
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Milano Collection A.T. - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 16:24:00 EST 2+or66tt No.6347483 Reply
>>6347407
Difference is AEW hasn't done more than mildly disappoint me yet

>>6347411
They still got heat last week, and are going over this week (I hope).
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Mickie James - Wed, 15 Jan 2020 17:23:06 EST BlrIoG3o No.6347514 Reply
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>Horrible news to pass along. We just learned that Rocky Johnson passed away today at the age of 75. His accolades in this business, all the people he influenced, all his accomplishments, and we are so deeply sorry and wish his family nothing but the most love at this time

https://twitter.com/CACReunion/status/1217571582102528000
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Jesse The Body Ventura - Thu, 16 Jan 2020 15:59:30 EST z+c6DKUE No.6347905 Reply
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> Taz is officially under contract with All Elite Wrestling.

> AEW announced today that Taz has signed a multi-year agreement with the promotion. They posted a video of Taz signing his contract backstage at last night's Bash at the Beach edition of Dynamite.

> Taz debuted for AEW as a guest commentator on the third episode of AEW Dark back in October. He also filled in for Tony Schiavone on the New Year's Day episode of Dynamite and called last night's AEW Dark tapings.

> Taz commented on signing with AEW: "I am beyond proud to be on this AWESOME team of driven/talented people! Let’s GO. #ImWithAEW #AEW @AEWrestling"

> Taz also tweeted before the news was announced: "Couple of announcements regarding my career today. 1st, I can tell u guys, 'Taz Show' pod will be on a 'hold' for quite some time. I know many if u don’t like that news, I apologize for inconvenience & THANK U for all the support. My other career news will be announce shortly."

> It was announced yesterday that AEW has signed an extended deal that will keep Dynamite on TNT through at least 2023. The deal includes launching another night of AEW action in the form of an hour-long show.

https://www.f4wonline.com/aew-news/taz-signs-multi-year-deal-aew-301896
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Shaggy 2 Dope - Thu, 16 Jan 2020 16:44:29 EST CuwFs+/S No.6347933 Reply
>>6347905

Welp. If I was wasn't watching AEW before I sure as shit ain't watching it now. Shambolic.
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Josh Matthews - Thu, 16 Jan 2020 16:53:57 EST mLF0cfQn No.6347941 Reply
>>6347905
Anyone complaining about this clearly didnt hear him on commentary for that one episode of Dynamite where Tony had other commitments. He was absolutely great.
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Flip Kendrick - Thu, 16 Jan 2020 17:35:54 EST Si1bmnSd No.6347952 Reply
>>6347905
Taz was way way better on the one ep of Dynamite he did than JR has been on literally any episode since the show started
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Aldo Montoya - Thu, 16 Jan 2020 17:41:07 EST fK4x0NPt No.6347957 Reply
>>6347950
I'm guessing it's a combo of Goldenboy's gaming commitments and relative inexperience, but it is lame since he's been really well received on the shows he did and I think his being an outsider with commentary ability adds something having a "wrestling guy" can't
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Tully Blanchard - Thu, 16 Jan 2020 23:01:48 EST moM7c3uF No.6348066 Reply
>>6347905
Seems like an unnecessary hire. Really they need to cut JR and just have a two man team of Schiavone and Excalibur.
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Sendai Sachiko - Fri, 17 Jan 2020 00:38:36 EST Uz1bd5r7 No.6348077 Reply
>>6348066
There is no need to cut JR just now. But Schiavone is hearth of that promotion.
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Savio Vega - Fri, 17 Jan 2020 00:53:16 EST GXHNtkkw No.6348084 Reply
>>6348077
>>6348066
to be realistic if we're looking critically at "The Elite have a totally dank WCW cosplay" then there's one guy who's odd man out
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Miyako Matsumoto - Fri, 17 Jan 2020 01:01:07 EST 9wpa//IA No.6348086 Reply
>>6348066
Fair point, really. Why do they have 4 announcers under contract for a 2 hour weekly show? Unless they’re gonna have different commentators for the 2nd show they got green-lit, whenever that happens.
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Torrie Wilson - Fri, 17 Jan 2020 01:24:16 EST DNmyc8Qs No.6348090 Reply
>>6348066
No I don't need to hear Excalibur's shitty cadence more when they drop a commentator

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