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- Thu, 05 Mar 2020 17:40:45 EST I709qEtd No.6365528
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>AEW: 906,000
>NXT: 718,000
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Dawn Marie - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:01:08 EST URTuZdZe No.6365539 Reply
NXT gaining a thousand viewers from last week with two cage matches is hysterical
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Tony Chimel - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:02:40 EST h2dgrDjz No.6365541 Reply
This week is now the TENTH week in a row AEW has beaten NXT, a new record
NXT has yet to beat them in the ratings yet for 2020
Interesting to note that two cage matches on NXT only made their ratings go up by 1k viewers
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Johnny Rodz - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:14:20 EST +9pCFlLB No.6365545 Reply
>>6365542
Not until AEW starts pulling over a million on the regular. Which I think is possible for sure.
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Johnny Rodz - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:19:49 EST +9pCFlLB No.6365549 Reply
>>6365545
Actually..maybe not
https://adage.com/article/media/half-young-consumers-watching-content-traditional-tv-study/310564
https://time.com/3615387/tv-viewership-declining-nielsen/
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/jul/07/ofcom-young-people-watch-a-third-less-broadcast-tv-as-they-move-online
https://www.businessinsider.com/more-young-people-are-watching-less-traditional-tv-2016-7?op=1

For some reason if you ever bring up the fact that people don't watch traditional cable anymore to wrestling reporters they lose their shit and call everyone stupid. There are loads and loads of articles about people cutting cords and only using computers and streaming services instead of cable. It's not some weird conspiracy theory. This has been happening for ten years now.
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Masa Takanashi - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:22:39 EST oWLdzxNc No.6365552 Reply
did aew announce anything for that show btw? cause if not it says a lot that people would rather tune in to an unadvertised aew show than watch an nxt show that has spent time hyping up their cages matches. then again it might just be the normal after ppv boost shows get especially in this case with mox becoming the new champ and all.
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John Laurinaitis - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:25:03 EST Ybchf0OF No.6365556 Reply
What were last week's numbers again?
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Sara - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:27:50 EST 5tJiAcKO No.6365560 Reply
>>6365549
We're talking about a less than 100K difference here though, of course it's possible. Just a matter of keeping up enough of a consistent quality to engage a small fraction of the millions watching other wrestling shows and they'll be there. Now if we're talking hitting peak MNW ratings? Yeah, that's never happening again. Even if wrestling somehow got equally as hot again, the ratings would be nowhere close as it's a different world now.
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Jinder Mahal - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:33:30 EST T27T75Qv No.6365561 Reply
Big Match Jonathon outdrew both
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Nunzio - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:46:22 EST z+c6DKUE No.6365565 Reply
I thought we were going to just have a general thread for the Wednesday Night Shitstorm?

Also Taima numbers:
> AEW: 1140/570
> NXT: 254/88

Still, NXT has been unable to beat AEW, other than that week when AEW was off.
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Nunzio - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:48:35 EST z+c6DKUE No.6365567 Reply
>>6365557
And next week is where they are at the Performance Center, when they could have taken advantage of the one week Full Sail unavailability by taping NXT at a proper venue so it doesn't look like shit compared to AEW...instead they made it worse.
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Akeem - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 18:53:08 EST 6Q/aT2b/ No.6365568 Reply
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>>6365528
> NxTeensie weensie does TWO CAGEMATCHES
> AND STILL fails to compare
just hang it up, Trips, you’re embarrassing yourself.


oh, wait, CANT LET ANOTHER MAINSTREAM TELEVISED WRESTLING BRAND SCORE 1.5 MILLION viewers CUZ THAT would mean visible competition nearing Raw’s numbers
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Pope D'Angelo Dinero - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 19:11:07 EST 4pyknXit No.6365570 Reply
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>HALF of this week's NXT taping was dedicated to just promoting the Women's Division despite the fact how they still needed to send that talentless piece of garbage Charlotte to get people to give a shit about the NXT Women's Roster when its honestly interchangeable at this point as to which roster has the worst Women's matches between Raw, Smackdown or NXT

AEW Women's Roster is also fucking garbage. The Women's Division in AEW is the most WWE like thing in the promotion the only reason people think its better then WWE and NXT's separate Women's Divisions is because you throw a small handful of Stardom Joshi's into the mix and of course it creates the illusion of your small Women's roster ranging from passable to semi below average that's how its been working on all of WWE's separate Women's rosters
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Pete Rose - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 19:13:55 EST L3x5ESIU No.6365571 Reply
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I was one of the ppl that watched AEW live thinking after the ppv it would be a hot show, with Matt Hardy and/or Luke Harper showing up.

Now after I watched both, NXT was by far a better show. I bet a lot of ppl did what I did and will fall off next week.
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Rockin' Robin - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 19:14:09 EST +9pCFlLB No.6365572 Reply
>>6365565
Yeah that happened last week I think? People gonna post dose numbers.
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King RIKI - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 19:15:46 EST Fs8ZlNqY No.6365573 Reply
Reminder that NXT is wildly underperforming in it's timeslot relative to it's predecessor programming in that same timeslot.
whereas TNT's 8-10 Wed. slot is now doing double+ the viewers it was doing before AEW got the slot.
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Finlay - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 19:16:03 EST bHVkAK++ No.6365574 Reply
>>6365570
I can't think of a single person (who isn't just shitposting) that thinks AEW's women division is better than NXT's. The general consensus even amongst regular AEW watchers is that it sucks most of the time. I wish promotions weren't obligated to have a women's division in the first place but that's literally impossible in American pro wrestling so whatever.
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Drew McIntyre - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 19:44:44 EST ZcoAes5B No.6365588 Reply
>>6365574
Saying the AEW woman's division SUCKS is kind of a stretch, because the bar for women's wrestling is incredibly low. 10 years ago this kind of thing would be blowing most women's wrestling out of the water. And again, that's the problem with AEW's women's division, it's kind of behind the curb and there just isn't enough US-based talent
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Jorge Skayde Rivera - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 19:48:04 EST 6Q/aT2b/ No.6365589 Reply
>>6365583
they cracked it the first week of the “wars” actually.

Proof, if nothing else, that NXT only remains on Wednesday nights just to stifle them from doing it every single week.
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Crossbones - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 20:09:01 EST bWZ+YR1t No.6365595 Reply
Vince should swallow his pride and move NXT. Both shows might end up cracking a million that way.
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Serena Deeb - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 21:46:18 EST jEGuiRVR No.6365647 Reply
Here's a thought..10 years of NXT, not a single star. Less than 6 months of AEW and you've got Darby, Hangman, Sammy, Jungle Boy, Luchasaurus, OC and MJF to name a few that are already becoming top talents. Yeah most of these guys came from the indies and were on other weeklies but no one would have said this time last year that before summer 2020, AEW would have a group of guys that could be the future of this business. Who is WWE's answer to any of these guys? They've made so many guys look like geeks and no one main roster or NXT can touch these guys.

Face it, AEW is based and could well become a bigger deal much quicker than anticipated. Buckle up weenies.

>>6365583
Well with catch up/DVR numbers and better TV deals in the UK & Canada, I wouldn't be so sure, sport.
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Big John Gaburik - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 21:52:40 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365648 Reply
>>6365647
>10 years of NXT, not a single star
just curious what you think that makes Finn Balor, Adam Cole, KO and the 4HW
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Mass Transit - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 21:54:07 EST dYhrmb6W No.6365649 Reply
>>6365589
No shit. So did NXT. TV shows generally debut high and the number levels out once they find their core audience.

Neither show has hit over a million in months. That's why this whole "war" is bullshit. They're just fighting over the same 1.5-1.75 million viewers. It's basically just a tug o' war. If either AEW or NXT would switch to Tuesday or Thursday, both shows would probably hit over a million again, but smarks would claim whichever show switched days lost their fake "war."

It's just people desperately grasping at straws to pretend wrestling is relevant again.
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Serena Deeb - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 22:01:50 EST jEGuiRVR No.6365651 Reply
>>6365648
I count two guys who were stars before they got to NXT, Adam Cole who is Adam Cole and if this guy is NXT's top guy then you know you're in trouble.

As for the FHW. Yeah I suppose you could argue they're stars. They've looked like geeks before and I don't watch their matches, but no denying they've become something in WWE. I mean you could argue they should be bigger but WWE gonna WWE I guess
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Greg The Hammer Valentine - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 22:11:26 EST FX3v1u4T No.6365654 Reply
>>6365648
do you actually think that NXT made the dude that started Bullet Club into a star


or that they made two ROH made guys into stars (they made them more famous but they weren’t WWE creations)

I guess they made 4HW into stars but Becky wasn’t doing shit until the tailend of her run there NXT
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Max Moon - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 22:17:02 EST CR6zktB8 No.6365657 Reply
>>6365648
>what you think that makes Finn Balor, Adam Cole, KO
Guys who were stars long before they set foot in NXT
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Jonny Fairplay - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 22:25:34 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6365661 Reply
>>6365648
All the guys you named were stars before NXT in its current format even existed.
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Larry Sweeney - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 22:26:30 EST b8WymD4T No.6365662 Reply
AEW's never going to see 1 million live viewers again unless they can pull in real stars like Kevin Nash & Ryback; old boring shitters like Brodie Lee & Lance Archer aren't dime-drawers. Might as well call The Ascension.
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Big John Gaburik - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 22:27:28 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365664 Reply
>>6365654
>they made them more famous but they weren’t WWE creations
how would you define the distinction between "star" and "famous"?
I'm just curious. 2014 NJPW wasn't *that* popular in the west.
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Jonny Fairplay - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 22:30:23 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6365666 Reply
>>6365664
The distinction would be actually getting a pop for your NXT debut or being Austin Theory.
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Mike Enos - Thu, 05 Mar 2020 23:12:28 EST N5OJXAeK No.6365687 Reply
>>6365557
Nah they won't, the point of NXT at the same time as AEW is simply to thief viewers, however big or small. Simply to be petty and spiteful.
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Johnny Kidd - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 00:15:29 EST 5tJiAcKO No.6365709 Reply
>>6365648
Not only were most of these stars before setting foot in NXT and thus over from their debut onwards, in the case of Finn, KO and the women they got very notable main roster debuts and pushes that communicated their importance to the audience from the get-go. It's WWE so most of them didn't stick, but the effort was made. RNG Serena's examples were 'literally who?' tier before they signed, they got over organically. I wouldn't go as far as them as I do think Dusty-booked NXT churned out some stars, but since his death there's been zilch.
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Kotenks !!rbabk2zH - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 01:52:48 EST V5teRIpo No.6365730 Reply
Do you reckon a majority of NXT viewership would watch AEW if NXT was moved to another night or are they WWE ONLY die hards?
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Ezekiel Jackson - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 02:14:16 EST oWLdzxNc No.6365734 Reply
>>6365730
a bit of both i would guess some would follow NXT and others might just watch both shows but record one to watch later and NXT just happens to be the one they wanna watch first. the only real way to find out would be to move NXT somewhere else and see what happens.
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Corky Bucek - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 05:23:37 EST IoPyIpj0 No.6365751 Reply
>>6365662
This is the truth, Ryback was the last real wrestler.
If I started watching wrestling today I wouldn’t be able to tell who are the fans and who are the wrestlers. And don’t get me started on everyone pointing to the Wrestlemania sign and talking about how it’s their destiny and how this is all they’ve wanted to do, you sound like a guy who wants to play a wrestler rather than an actual wrestler.
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Mankind - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 07:20:03 EST uvi+yU/1 No.6365759 Reply
>>6365751
>Ryback was the last real wrestler
If this is true, I'm glad the business is dead.
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Gran Naniwa - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 08:45:56 EST eDrZOnwH No.6365768 Reply
>>6365657
>>6365661
There's a difference in being a legit star and a big name on the indies.

I don't think the issue is that NXT has failed to create stars, it's that they all get to the main roster, and WWE ends up dropping the ball.
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Jonny Fairplay - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 08:50:59 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6365769 Reply
>>6365768
>a legit star

What exactly is this? Somebody who gets booed by over half of WWE's dwindling audience?
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Faby Apache - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 09:09:55 EST 0AcdH2Qk No.6365774 Reply
NXT wanted to play 21, they had 22
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Johnny Kidd - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 10:01:27 EST 5tJiAcKO No.6365781 Reply
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>>6365751
>This is the truth, Ryback was the last real wrestler.
I know you're only baiting but goddamn, if Rybotch was ever a 'real' wrestler to someone, somewhere that's a sense of wrestling that became so beyond warped it would rival even Vince's. Even he had the sense to cut that shitter loose a long time ago.
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 10:10:16 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365784 Reply
>>6365781
> if Rybotch was ever a 'real' wrestler to someone, somewhere that's a sense of wrestling that became so beyond warped

if you ask the mainstream to describe a "pro wrestler," they're going to describe something closer to Ryback. People think of Hulk Hogan, Macho Man and the Ultimate Warrior - loud meathead roid freaks in spandex. That's Ryback.
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Jonny Fairplay - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 10:24:04 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6365788 Reply
>>6365784
Ryback doesn't have nearly the flair of those guys.

>Savage
>meathead
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Johnny Kidd - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 10:24:34 EST 5tJiAcKO No.6365790 Reply
>>6365784
Considering we're almost 20 years out from the Attitude Era, never mind the Hogan era, it's a theory I'd want to test. Wrestling at its hottest in the mainstream had main events with Austin, Rock, Mankind, Goldberg and so on, if after all that you still need to see a roided-up action figure physique to believe someone's a wrestler I gotta think the problem's with you. Not that it's a huge problem, I like 80s shows too, it's just silly to stay stuck there still expecting the same thing.
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Serena Deeb - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 10:28:59 EST jEGuiRVR No.6365793 Reply
>they won't even get 500k viewers they said
>AEW is dead already after NXT won a week or two they said
>there's no angles or character build they said
>they can't even break a million they said
>none of it matters anyway cos they're not making new fans, wrestling is dead they said
>it's just little dudes doing flips they said while lapping up NXT
>they've got no one like Ryback who is what people think when they think wrestling they said

WWE fans are a strange breed
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 10:54:41 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365799 Reply
>>6365788
>Savage >meathead
I said "ask the mainstream to describe a pro wrestler"; they think all wrestlers are meatheads, even the ones who are not meatheads. Also Savage wasn't exactly a poet laureate either.

>>6365790
>Considering we're almost 20 years out from the Attitude Era, never mind the Hogan era, it's a theory I'd want to test. Wrestling at its hottest in the mainstream had main events with Austin, Rock, Mankind, Goldberg and so on
All big dudes. Hell the Rock is even more monstrously huge now and he's the biggest box office draw at the movies. They're bigger than the current generation. Also:
>Goldberg
He's not aesthetically different from Ryback.

> if after all that you still need to see a roided-up action figure physique to believe someone's a wrestler I gotta think the problem's with you.
and how's the territory looking right now? Wrestling's audience has declined and never come back. The audience has been trickling away as all those acts disappeared. LeBron wasn't wearing a Christopher Daniels t-shirt; he liked his 90s WWF shit and they left, he checked out. The only people that have spiked ratings were big guys from a previous generation: The Rock, Brock, etc. What act has been the only act to spike ratings recently? Goldberg!

> I gotta think the problem's with you.
Actually I think the problem is that a lot of smarks can't wrap their head around the idea that there are a sizeable number of casuals that actually like big dudes and badasses. And their money is just as good as yours. If you and two friends pay to see a modern show filled with small flippy guys and are happy - great! But if 10 casuals tune out after their first taste and do not pay to see those guys, then the promoter is more concerned with how to win them over.

No one is forcing you to like what casuals like but I think smarks are a little too in their bubble as evidenced by their thinking that AEW & NXT fighting over 150,000 viewers is the biggest game changer in wrestling and not even noticing that Goldberg is drawing 2 million on Fox.
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Rockin' Robin - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 10:56:59 EST +9pCFlLB No.6365800 Reply
>>6365799
Lol wrestling doesnt NEED big guys to get over cornette jr. The decline came from WWE creative. Not because people are not roided enough. Dumdum
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 11:07:58 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365803 Reply
>>6365800
>Lol wrestling doesnt NEED big guys to get over
Then how come all of wrestling's biggest gates were set by big guys?

>The decline came from WWE creative
Bad WWE creative definitely pushed Austin away... but if the decline was all attributed to creative then how were Brock & Rock able to spike business in their 2012 returns? Likewise how was Cena able to spike business in 2006? What made them able to draw *in spite of* bad creative?
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 11:15:10 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365804 Reply
>>6365800
>Lol wrestling doesnt NEED big guys to get over cornette jr. The decline came from WWE creative.
Also to use a non WWE example: how come TNA's Destination X 2012 -- which most smarks agree is a rare bright spot in creative and was focused on the smaller guys division - lead to a disappointing buyrate?
>Bad news for the idea that having great shows leads to repeat buys. After the relatively good showing of Slammiversary of about 15,000 buys, and the delivering a strong show, the Destination X show on 7/8 is, based on early estimates, falling at about 9,000 buys, roughly the level most of the PPVs except the big ones have been doing this year.
-Dave
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Rockin' Robin - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 11:28:37 EST +9pCFlLB No.6365805 Reply
>>6365803
Estavlished stars came back and spiked business. I watch wrestling with casuals all the time btw. They dont care if someone is huge or small
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Corky Bucek - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 11:30:09 EST CGvNvzMG No.6365806 Reply
>>6365799
This is all the truth.

When wrestling was hot in the late 90s (WCW, attitude era) it was just another fad that didn’t last.

Real wrestling died the day Vince went on trial and started steroid testing his talent, there is a marked decline in ratings following this. Casuals tuned in to wrestling to see larger than life characters (both physically and character wise).
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Christie Ricci - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 11:33:33 EST iLe2GkB4 No.6365807 Reply
>>6365803
>how were Brock & Rock able to spike business in their 2012 returns?
There was a buzz when Brock and Rock came back? No shit. Brock is a monster's monster and Rock is the fucking Rock.
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 11:35:37 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365808 Reply
>>6365805
how did the audience come to accept Cena (and Brock) as the stars if their pushes didn't start til after the bad creative started? Who do the Indian audience care so much more about Great Khali than Jinder Mahal?

> I watch wrestling with casuals all the time btw.
That's anecdotal though. I was at a watch-party for Summerslam in a bar in manhattan and talked to men (and women!) in their 30s who just like WWE spectacle, popped for Goldberg coming back to squash Ziggler and couldn't care less about All Out/AEW. My anecdote is just as valid as yours.
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Christie Ricci - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:13:21 EST iLe2GkB4 No.6365816 Reply
>>6365810
You have two massive figures that came back after a long hiatus. Of course it's going to get the attention of your average fan regardless if they're big or small wrestlers. Now put any other big guy in their place and they won't move the needle like those two.
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:19:38 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365819 Reply
>>6365816
>You have two massive figures that came back after a long hiatus. Of course it's going to get the attention of your average fan regardless if they're big or small wrestlers.
how much did Daniel Bryan's comeback move the needle?
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Christie Ricci - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:30:05 EST iLe2GkB4 No.6365823 Reply
>>6365819
Why are you stubbornly denying that being a big stereotypical wrestler doesn't automatically equal world fame? There have been guys who dwarfed stars like Macho, Austin and Rock but the latter are still fondly remembered because they were more than meat towers.

And for the record, since you seem to have the wrong impression, I'm not disagreeing with the notion of what the average person thinks what a "real" wrestlers looks like but it took more than being a "real" wrestlers for Brock and Rock to move the needle as much as they did.
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Rockin' Robin - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:37:00 EST +9pCFlLB No.6365828 Reply
>>6365819
Brock has been universal champ for years and they are LOSING ratings. Bad creative killed wwe which killed your average fans interest. Not muscles. Cornette is rotting your brain.

Again. Every time i wath wrestling with casuals they dont gravitate to who has the most muscles. They gravitate towards character ajd charisma and then athletic ability. Been watching with a variety of people for two years across many promotions.
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Rockin' Robin - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:40:09 EST +9pCFlLB No.6365830 Reply
Brlg is just wrong on this one. Not going to argue for three days with him about meaty men
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:43:57 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365833 Reply
>>6365823
>Why are you stubbornly denying that being a big stereotypical wrestler doesn't automatically equal world fame?
I'm not though. I agree with you; not every big guy automatically becomes a star.
But I think size/look played a not-insignificant part into why wrestling's biggest stars became the biggest stars. Its not just a coincidence that all of wrestling's biggest stars just so happened to be legit heavyweights.

Obviously charisma and promo skills and a good gimmick and good booking and intangible "x factor" stuff also all matter. But audiences are going to judge a book by its cover. The "look" matters. It matters in celebrities and pop stars, I don't know why it wouldn't matter in wrestling.
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:53:30 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365837 Reply
>>6365828
once again: your anecdote isn't a universal truth. Also Cornette isn't the only one that says this. JIM ROSS says this. Most promoters says this; even Paul Heyman has relied on it. There's a reason AEW signed Jake Hager but passed on Matt Cross. There's a reason they're courting Luke Harper and Jeff Cobb and Lance Archer. NJPW doesn't just throw junior heavyweights into their main events and they explicitly make a big deal out of talents putting on weight to hang with the heavyweights. Tyson Fury just did a monster gate. UFC heavyweight contest typically outdraw UFC lightweight contests.

This isn't an indictment of anything you personally like. There's plenty of modern examples outside of current WWE that prove that a sizeable audience share buys into the look/size of a fighter. And all of the people that do spike current WWE ratings just so happen to be guys that were booked to their size when they were setting box office records.
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Max Moon - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 12:55:37 EST CR6zktB8 No.6365838 Reply
>>6365828
I will say that looks matter in wrestling, but only if a wrestler's look matches their gimmick. Ultimate Warrior, Ric Flair, Dusty Rhodes etc. all had different looks, but their bodies fit the character that they were playing & these guys were among the biggest stars in the US in their heyday.

That being said, look isn't anywhere near more important to a wrestler than charisma, mic skills, ring psychology, etc. Diesel being the worst drawing WWE Champion of the 90s (worse than the much smaller Bret Hart), is more than enough evidence that casuals aren't gonna instantly gravitate to the big guys. Guys like Hulk Hogan, Macho Man, Stone Cold, The Rock became who they are because they had incredible amounts of charisma, could go on any television show & instantly capture the attention of an entire audience off of their personality alone.
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Jimmy Jacobs - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:00:38 EST G0oAwJyy No.6365841 Reply
>>6365837
Also, Matt Cross hasn't exactly ever shown how he's more of a valuable prospect. Well, maybe as Son of Havoc, but that wasn't dependent on him being Matt Cross.

I know we all sperged when he was eliminated on Tough Enough, but the more I think about it, the more I think it was probably a good choice.
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Max Moon - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:01:16 EST CR6zktB8 No.6365842 Reply
>>6365837
Bringing up AEW courting every single hot free agent (which they've done with plenty of smaller guys) is an incredibly lofty example, my man. Same with mentioning UFC, when Conor McGregor is one if/if not the biggest PPV draw in their history.

No one's saying it's an indictment against anything anyone likes. But at the end of the day, charisma, promo ability matters far more than looks.
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Rockin' Robin - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:04:18 EST +9pCFlLB No.6365843 Reply
>>6365837
Lol I like big man wrestling. It's just not 1980 anymore and isn't the reason casuals watch wrestling.
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Crossbones - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:11:16 EST GXHNtkkw No.6365849 Reply
big guys have a place but you need not-big guys around them or else nobody notices
like how Hogan's a big guy (4u) but a lot of his iconic stuff is next to Andre, Hall, and Nash, all of who are big, so it doesn't really stand out so much
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:11:41 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365850 Reply
>>6365838
>could go on any television show & instantly capture the attention of an entire audience off of their personality alone.
IMO the look is how they "instantly" capture the attention. And the charisma is how they keep them hooked. Vince has thrown so many monsters from Giant Gonzalez to Grea Khali out there and their look did get immediate, instant attention... and then when audiences find out they're garbage, they tune out.

and a smaller guy who is oozing charisma still has to work twice as hard just to get looked at. Bret, Eddie, Benoit and Mysterio were all also stars but it took them a lot longer to be noticed... and that wasn't just because Vince/Bischoff were "burying them" for being small. I love D Bry but he had to work 3 times as hard with a clear "yes" gimmick to connect with those casual WWE fans. And I still love WM 30 but I do acknowledge that its box office wasn't as big as the year before or the year after.

(Also I just used Matt Cross as an example because he was at All In and inexplicably is the only free agent AEW seemingly had no desire to lock down from that event.)
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:17:18 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365852 Reply
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>>6365843
> isn't the reason casuals watch wrestling
never said its the only reason, but it does factor into why casuals tune in or tune out. There are buyrates and ticket sales and ratings that prove this.

>>6365849
>like how Hogan's a big guy (4u) but a lot of his iconic stuff is next to Andre, Hall, and Nash, all of who are big, so it doesn't really stand out so much
Hogan's size was a huge part of what made him stand out. Its how he got buzz from Rocky 3, all of his talk show appearances had the hosts gushing about his size and his muscles. EVERYONE in the industry was bigger then in weight and height. And also just happened to be a paradigm-shifting box office success that changed the game forever.
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Rockin' Robin - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:17:39 EST +9pCFlLB No.6365853 Reply
>>6365849
Also different people like different things. When I was a kid I gravitated towards Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Rey Mysterio, Psicosis, Jericho. Only big guys I liked were Razor Ramon and Taker. And this is when I was a super jimmy and didn't even know if wrestling was real or not. I thought Hogan looked like a gross old man and was never a fan. It wasn't some "smark darling" thing. That's just what I preferred. Others only liked the giants I am sure. You want your wrestling show to have a bit of everything if you are talking about mass consumption and getting shit popular. Peak WWF was a variety show of all kinds of wrestling, looks, gimmicks and styles.

I still kind of find it funny that Hogan was the face of wrestling for so long. He's pretty ugly and had a nasty ass hair line but I guess the 80s were a weird time. He's looked like a grandpa since the mid 80s.

As far as AEW goes...they definitely focused on a certain STYLE of pro wrestling but it seems like they are starting to have more of a variety as time goes on. The show has gotten much better when they realized that 4 or 5 flippy guy matches in a row gets boring.
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:23:53 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365855 Reply
>>6365853
>He's pretty ugly and had a nasty ass hair line but I guess the 80s were a weird time. He's looked like a grandpa since the mid 80s
You're also discounting the impact he had in 96 with his heel turn. He was back in the mainstream for several years in the late 90s. and then his 2002 wwe comeback run did business. And then he had a bit of a second life with the reality show. And then he's responsible for TNA's biggest rating ever.

It's okay to not like him but he definitely connected to people beyond just the 80s.
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Rockin' Robin - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:28:22 EST +9pCFlLB No.6365860 Reply
>>6365855
I didn't say he doesn't draw. I was saying how I never understood why americans love him so much but I guess he had a lot of charisma and was in rocky. He's just so ugly lmao. He looks like shit.
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Max Moon - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:34:42 EST CR6zktB8 No.6365864 Reply
>>6365852
>its how he got buzz from Rocky 3
His size was impressive because he was standing next to the much smaller Rocky Balboa & he became a star because the film itself was a gigantic success. But that's where size mattering began & ended for Hogan. You mention Giant Gonzalez & Khali earlier, right? Yes, those guys captured attention (because no shit someone 7 feet tall would capture attention), but the spectacle of seeing someone big up close goes away after 5 minutes for most people. Hogan's size up close made people ooh & ahh at him for a second, but if he had the charisma of a plank of wood, he wouldn't be able to draw flies to shit. It was those coked out promos that made people actually put money down to see him & what made him a star, which I'm sure everyone can agree on.

As for the smaller guys like Benoit, Eddie & Bret, keep in mind that all of those guys didn't show much charisma to US fans until years into their career (& some would argue Benoit never did). Besides, Disco Inferno was one of the smaller non-luchador guys in WCW, but in the fall of '97, the dude was one of the biggest ratings movers in the MNW
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 13:50:00 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365869 Reply
>>6365864
> But that's where size mattering began & ended for Hogan.
You and I are agreeing for the most part but I just want to say that Hogan's look/size always played a role in the way the mainstream pop culture talked about him. There were always jokes when he'd be on Leno or Arseno or Regis & Kathie Lee and movies/TV/commercials continued to use him as a hulking figure (no pun intended) even after WCW was declining. Part of the reason the steroid scandal a scandal was because he was admitting he juiced to get that big.
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Corky Bucek - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 14:45:48 EST CGvNvzMG No.6365880 Reply
Everyone is arguing about size vs charisma being more important but both are needed to capture the casual appeal. There are loads of 5 foot something wrestlers in history that had tons of charisma but if I tuned in for the first time I would wonder why this regular looking guy even has a job as a wrestler in the first place. Get him out of here
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Max Moon - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 14:53:30 EST CR6zktB8 No.6365885 Reply
>>6365869
Yeah. However I still believe that the idea that some people tend to push (not saying you, btw ) that smaller guys can't draw in casuals in any industry is just ridiculous. Guys like Hulk Hogan can gather attention, but the truth of the matter is that any number of things or any type of wrestler can draw in any number of people into pro wrestling.
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 15:00:38 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365888 Reply
>>6365885
However I still believe that the idea that some people tend to push that smaller guys can't draw in casuals in any industry is just ridiculous.
I agree. I think Rey is one of WWE's biggest dropped balls ever. Vince couldn't understand he appealed as a literal superhero to kids with his look, and also that he had the loyalty of the huge Hispanic demographic.
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Corky Bucek - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 15:00:56 EST CGvNvzMG No.6365889 Reply
>>6365885

I want to see a graph of the history of the WWE champions heights correlated with PPV buys / viewing figures. With the exception of Kevin Nash I think it will follow the exact same trend.
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Arnold Skaaland - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 17:34:33 EST +UI+0Exa No.6365925 Reply
>>6365528

Im not from America so im curious every time these numbers come out like what else is on TV on Wednesday nights there?
How does Raw and Smackdown still get 2 million when there seems to be more mainstream shows/sports on Mondays and Friday nights
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Big John Gaburik - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 17:45:34 EST BlrIoG3o No.6365927 Reply
>>6365925
Raw and Smackdown are just more popular and have more people watching
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Rockin' Robin - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 18:00:16 EST +9pCFlLB No.6365940 Reply
>>6365938
This.
I have a feeling AEW is going to blow up at some point. May be wrong. For better or worse I think they will see a spike in ratings at some point in the next year or two
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Drew McIntyre - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 18:57:58 EST ZcoAes5B No.6365965 Reply
>>6365940
That's incredibly optimistic, my prediction is a slow, steady climb in ratings over the years, to the point where the incline is hardly noticeable on a week-to-week basis. I predicted AEW passing WWE in 10 years.
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Anthony Nese - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 19:00:24 EST dYhrmb6W No.6365969 Reply
>>6365769
It depends on your definition of what a legit star is. If we're talking someone that transcends the brand, WWE hasn't created an actual star since John Cena, The Rock, or Steve Austin.
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Johnny Saint - Fri, 06 Mar 2020 20:48:04 EST NbxmdHMb No.6366019 Reply
>>6366012
Hey dude it's still the vast vast majority of people that watch on regular TV. Streaming is also accounted for the rating.

Either ratings matter (they do) or they don't to you guys. Make up your minds
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Colonel DeBeers - Sat, 07 Mar 2020 00:57:15 EST dye70XA7 No.6366067 Reply
>>6366019
The thing is TV rating system (specifically the Nielsen one) are completely obsolete as it doesn't:

  1. count how many actual viewers instead of how many TVs tuned in at the program
  2. consider the data from online streaming (there are some services that specifically count the DVR views but I doubt it's standardized)

Rating matters if you could add up number from DVR from certain amount of period post TV premiere. I'm sure others understand this matter more than me.
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Mitsuharu Misawa - Sat, 07 Mar 2020 01:14:00 EST BlrIoG3o No.6366070 Reply
>>6366067
ratings are about selling ads.

DVR numbers don't really matter because you can't sell ads against something that people fast forward thru.
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Allison Danger - Sat, 07 Mar 2020 02:26:50 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6366084 Reply
>>6366019
Are you really suggesting that 2010's TV audience is the same as 2020's?
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Yoshiko Tamura - Sat, 07 Mar 2020 09:31:20 EST Fs8ZlNqY No.6366138 Reply
>>6366070
Imagine letting any of this bullshit affect your enjoymkent of pro wrestling as a fan
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Yoshiko Tamura - Sat, 07 Mar 2020 09:38:03 EST Fs8ZlNqY No.6366139 Reply
>>6365793
the continued success and growth of AEW as a good quality weekly professional wrestling programme causing a certain type of "wrestling fan" to freak out and meltdown and spaz out hard weekly is a very strange phenomena to me.
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Matt Striker - Sat, 07 Mar 2020 09:44:13 EST QQesQNiH No.6366141 Reply
>>6366139
Most are teenagers. You have to understand they've been told their entire life there's only WWE (since Impact fell under the radar around 2013), so to them, if it's not something WWE made, it shouldn't exist in their mind. Saw this happen a lot when TNA started picking up momentum and getting on Spike TV. There's a group of WWE fans that will only ever support that brand of wrestling.
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Yoshiko Tamura - Sat, 07 Mar 2020 10:39:00 EST Fs8ZlNqY No.6366149 Reply
>>6366141
>There's a group of WWE fans that will only ever support that brand of wrestling.
You're correct here but I don't think they are just dumb teenagers.
I bet they are dudes 30+ who are diehard ardent lifer WWE only fans who cheered when WWF wont the war and WCW/ECW died. These are mostply people who are deeply deeply ingrained and indoctrinated to the "WWE only" mentality for decades now
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Mano Metalico - Sat, 07 Mar 2020 12:36:45 EST 25I2pZmJ No.6366168 Reply
>>6366149
Wrestling is a nerd property, more comparable to Star Trek (complete with surrounding lore) than sports. Nerd properties tend to appeal to a group of people who... aren't always the best with change and unfamiliar things, even if they would otherwise enjoy them, let's just say.
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Sat, 07 Mar 2020 12:36:49 EST iLikEToleARn No.6366169 Reply
>>6366168
If they want to glass the chinks or you could have sworn regal called him a deal with an arsenal to work much better than raw, but you ave to be pulled from the angle of entry into professional wrestling and vidya) and that led to sky dropping them completely but if they didn't fart.
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Sinn Bodhi - Sat, 07 Mar 2020 17:21:37 EST URTuZdZe No.6366244 Reply
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In other news, ratings are back to normal just one week after Goldberg got the belt
Who could have possibly seen that coming?
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Jerry Lynn - Sat, 07 Mar 2020 17:49:23 EST Pjt8alnM No.6366253 Reply
>>6366247
They should've advertised Hogan and then had Horace come out with the Wolfpac.
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El Hijo del Tirantes - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 17:40:29 EST TDCzv2Fe No.6367439 Reply
>>6367431
Edge vs Orton isnt working? i thought it will make people to watch.
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Zardoz - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 17:51:55 EST G0uyKAOX No.6367453 Reply
>>6367431
It's gonna get worse since coronavirus is killing their biggest demographic
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Zack Ryder - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 18:21:31 EST BxsoGG2K No.6367481 Reply
how low does raw need to go before shit ACTUALLY changes?
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Cactus Jack - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 18:32:31 EST +9pCFlLB No.6367493 Reply
>>6367484
You can dislike Heyman or like Heyman but WWE sucks with or without him. RAW has been so shit for like 3 years now and before that it was STILL SHIT but people ate it more.
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Zardoz - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 18:51:13 EST G0uyKAOX No.6367502 Reply
>>6367484
Raw has been solid. Nobody is watching but it's definitely better than it was. Or maybe I just don't hate it as much because Michael Cole isn't on the show anymore.
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Tatanka - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 18:55:37 EST +z3+gnB0 No.6367505 Reply
>>6367500
And that's 1 square the on Stamford wife bingo card.
Now tell us how all of cable is down, cord cutting, etc
The usual laundry list you know it.
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Max Moon - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 18:59:57 EST BlrIoG3o No.6367508 Reply
>>6367505
eh... if we're going to give credit to AEW for being #1 in the demo than we have to acknowledge when Raw or SD also achieve this.
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Sassy Stephie - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 19:05:55 EST 72ErTR+X No.6367511 Reply
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>>6367431
>WWE going for sub 2m during mania season
Record stocks and shit, right? Wonder how long you can continue to ignore the fact that you pretty much constanly lost viewers over the course of the last 10 years.
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Tatanka - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 19:22:38 EST +z3+gnB0 No.6367523 Reply
>>6367508
>brings up AEW out of nowhere, unprompted for no reason
yep keep em comin
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Bubba Ray Dudley - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 19:29:04 EST PUWfN1CG No.6367528 Reply
>>6367523
He was being fair. And since this is the 'Wednesday Night Wars' thread, mentions of AEW can hardly be considered "out of nowhere, unprompted for no reason."
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Dragon Kid - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 19:31:51 EST iLe2GkB4 No.6367533 Reply
>>6367511
Also Network subs are down. Those Connecticut boys sure love losing.
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Kevin Sullivan - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 21:42:54 EST dYhrmb6W No.6367607 Reply
>>6367505
>Now tell us how all of cable is down, cord cutting, etc
>The usual laundry list you know it.
Oh okay, so just so we're clear, these excuses don't count when it comes to WWE, but it's fine for AEW marks to use them weekly to explain why Dynamite hasn't broken a million viewers in months?
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Consequences Creed - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 21:45:28 EST CR6zktB8 No.6367608 Reply
>>6367607
What posts have been made on this board claiming cord cutting is why AEW hasn't hit a million in months? Link them, pls
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Nick Papagiorgio - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 21:57:47 EST TGoAURVW No.6367614 Reply
Do you guys think Vince will be forced to retire or removed from the company? I cannot imagine anyone in the company having confidence in him
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Excalibur - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 22:17:02 EST T5Ycresu No.6367623 Reply
>>6367614
Vince will never ever ever EVER retire, he will run the company until the day he dies, and somehow I believe he'll find a way to run it beyond the grave.
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Johnny B. Badd - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 22:26:41 EST KMzM6Oeb No.6367625 Reply
>>6365969
That's by design, they don't want anyone else to transcend the brand ever again, they want to keep everyone in their little world forever and that's why there are no stars anymore, among other reasons.
User is currently banned from all boards
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Johnny B. Badd - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 22:28:59 EST KMzM6Oeb No.6367628 Reply
>>6365784
Who fucking cares about the "mainstream"?!? Fuck the mainstream, normalfags can eat shit for all I care
User is currently banned from all boards
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Val Venis - Tue, 10 Mar 2020 23:11:42 EST GXHNtkkw No.6367645 Reply
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>>6367628
mainstream matters when your boy is mainstream but never any other time
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Harvey Wippleman - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 04:49:42 EST eiBgYgur No.6367705 Reply
>>6367628
Congratulations. All wrestlers just starved to death because casuals aren't watching and ratings are going lower and lower and lower.

Retard smark
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Harvey Wippleman - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 06:42:35 EST eiBgYgur No.6367715 Reply
>>6367711
You're getting offended over the fact popular product makes wrestlers make more money to feed their families. Imagine being this angry and bitter.
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Ron Garvin - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:38:27 EST URTuZdZe No.6367724 Reply
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>>6367715
not being mainstream =/= starving to death
i know, hard to grasp at first, but make an effort
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AshJoshiFan - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 08:40:16 EST JLUGd8LZ No.6367726 Reply
>>6367724
Don't bother, these people will never grasp the fact that wrestlers can actually make a leaving outside of the fed nowadays.
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Harvey Wippleman - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 09:54:29 EST eiBgYgur No.6367735 Reply
>>6367726

Of course they have to have second jobs because they're starting to realize 50 hour flippyfloppy spotfests Bignosey McFucktard cooms to don't draw a dime and numbers are there to back it up.
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 10:19:35 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6367742 Reply
>>6367726
>>6367724
Unfortunately, the deck is still rigged that WWE provides the most money. Can wrestlers build a retirement fund with the money they're making working AEW, ROH or Impact?
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STIGMA - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 11:29:58 EST UF5mwuYs No.6367755 Reply
>>6367753
That's the Stunt Granny from one of that Pro Wrestling: Exposed or whatever it was. One of the Angry Beavers narrated it.
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STIGMA - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 11:35:00 EST UF5mwuYs No.6367756 Reply
>>6367755
>>6367753
*one of those

The one I'm thinking of is Pro Wrestling's Greatest Secrets with Nick Bakay, but I'm not sure if that was where the gif comes from. Pretty sure there were a couple shows like that in the late 90s.
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Kevin Steen - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 15:26:53 EST +z3+gnB0 No.6367816 Reply
>>6367748
Where is AEW mentioned in his Tweet?
I'm confused as to why you'd bring them up here
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Kevin Steen - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 15:28:08 EST +z3+gnB0 No.6367817 Reply
>>6367724
they guy's totally black/white binary thinking suggests @utism to me.
Not being able to understand nuance and reasonable middle ground, etc.
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Damien Demento - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 15:29:37 EST Iw2OgeVS No.6367819 Reply
>>6367816
>I'm confused as to why you'd bring them up here

I think there's a hint in the thread title.
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Kevin Steen - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 16:12:40 EST +z3+gnB0 No.6367841 Reply
>>6367819
AEW doesn't air on Monday though?
They have no bearing on the Raw rating number?
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Super Strong Machine - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 16:46:16 EST b9wkpTIK No.6367853 Reply
>>6367841
>AEW wishes they could (get) those ratings

is actually more relevant to the thread than the post it replied to.
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Kevin Steen - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 19:09:32 EST +z3+gnB0 No.6367926 Reply
>>6367853
well now we're just getting into semantics.
the guy brought it up as a deflection for the bad Raw number.
contributing to cancerous console war shitposting in the process
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Kevin Steen - Wed, 11 Mar 2020 19:33:41 EST +z3+gnB0 No.6367938 Reply
>>6367934
>following me across multiple threads
>not being able to read/understand
hoooo boy you're a special one ain't ya
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Daisuke Harada - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 03:37:36 EST CE/1gmp0 No.6368132 Reply
Ratings probably won't be pretty this week.
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Barbarian - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 12:39:36 EST BlrIoG3o No.6368248 Reply
>>6368240
not if they can't run shows.

NXT having a backup in the PC might allow them to continue running NXT but unless AEW finds a way to spruce up DDP's yoga studios, I don't know how any arenas will allow them hold shows for the next month.
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Lita - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 13:23:51 EST l/nnkkJg No.6368268 Reply
>>6368248
Tony Khan and his family literally own some of those buildings.

Like, Jaguars Stadium is the dude's actual home.

They'll be fine.
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Desmond Wolfe - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 13:34:21 EST qw/cMc+F No.6368275 Reply
>>6368268
Daddy Khan bailing out his son's hobby endeavors again?
You hate to see it...
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Genichiro Tenryu - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 13:39:24 EST 7XBCXnnB No.6368276 Reply
>>6368275
> parents supporting their children financially is a bad thing
What, it's okay and unspoken of when anyone else does it?

god forbid they use their own property to host their own business and entertainment event in an Actual sporting arena. Def beats the fuckin Performance Center

also holy shit 900k? Watch AEW start averaging over 1 MILLION weekly by summertime. Full hype. Tell all your friends and coworkers. I already heard customers at my restaurant talking about AEW on their own, shit is so lit.
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Barbarian - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 13:45:07 EST BlrIoG3o No.6368278 Reply
>>6368276
>Def beats the fuckin Performance Center
idk. a giant empty arena with cavernous sound might be weirder than a smaller studio show
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Barbarian - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:09:41 EST BlrIoG3o No.6368333 Reply
>>6368331
damn. kind of a steep drop for aew, no? was something big on tv last night?

i thought last week's ep was kinda boring (seriously, a QT Marshall match, a leva Bates match and a Shawn Spears promo?) That could have led to the dropoff
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Don Muraco - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:09:48 EST uhnXuYTr No.6368334 Reply
>>6368331
Considering mostly all of TV was dominated by news coverage last night, not terrible by either.
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Daizee Haze - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:10:49 EST 9eA3Xp3/ No.6368335 Reply
>>6368331
everyone is watching the Corona virus running wild, brother, there's no time for wrestling, dude
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Terra Ryzin - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:15:06 EST Ybchf0OF No.6368338 Reply
>>6368336

Last week's episode was the first post-Revolution episode and the ratings increased.
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Mio Shirai - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:32:47 EST dYhrmb6W No.6368343 Reply
>>6368338
I think that's what he's saying. This week's episode has such a huge drop because the previous week's number was so highly inflated because of the post-PPV bump.

Compared to last week's numbers, AEW lost nearly 7 times as many viewers as NXT did.
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Bad News Brown - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:47:24 EST I709qEtd No.6368351 Reply
>>6368338
That's what I meant. Post-PPV gets a bump. After that a drop is expected albeit maybe not such a big one.
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Barbarian - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:52:09 EST BlrIoG3o No.6368356 Reply
>>6368343
>>6368343
the post PPV bump wasn't that highly inflated, for reference:
AEW on Feb 19: 893,000
on Feb 26 (go home show for Revolution): 865,000
last week: 906,00

It's a pretty steep decline and they haven't been in the 700K range since those messy Nightmare Collective/Dark Order eps at the end of 2019.

Last week's episode wasn't "bad" but IMO it was boring and lacking in headliners. It's always the week-after those kinds of episodes that reflect how the audience felt about them.
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Jorge Skayde Rivera - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 17:15:33 EST +z3+gnB0 No.6368375 Reply
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>>6368335
this corona dude's got super heat right now jack
I smelly money brother
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TAJIRI - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 17:19:36 EST 1Thwe0/g No.6368380 Reply
>>6368352
Thats not necessarily true. If it wasn't for Taima and /wooo/ in general I would not have gotten back into wrestling as an adult. I also went to the AEW Boston show in October. So while it not a direct view it does help people stay interested in the product which could eventually bring in money.
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Jesse The Body Ventura - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 17:34:36 EST jEGuiRVR No.6368402 Reply
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So what will actually happen when WWE's dinosaur fans die? Will it survive?
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Netjester !AI.skYnEt - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 17:34:41 EST iLikEToleARn No.6368403 Reply
>>6368402
I thought it was a mess this show just to see what fakeNJ(noAI) loves to have an idea of being a classic by any 11yo without much ease and without judgement like an alien machinescape, but it can’t survive on.
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Jesse The Body Ventura - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 18:04:59 EST jEGuiRVR No.6368433 Reply
>>6368422
are you following me?

I'm goofing around dingus. I mean I wouldn't miss it if it DID die, but chill dude I smoke a lot of weed and don't remember half the shit I post.
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Dave Prazak - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 18:07:21 EST mziUuCYd No.6368435 Reply
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>>6368403
>NJ SHOOTAN on fake NJ
>calls him an 11 year old

Carry on, NJ. Your shit always makes more sense than his does anyway
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Jon Bolen - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 19:21:12 EST T5Ycresu No.6368503 Reply
coronavirus FUCKED AEW this week
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Sherri Martel - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 21:07:09 EST qw/cMc+F No.6368559 Reply
>>6368503
Their ratings have always been all over the place, pretty sure their fanbase is just flaky.
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Eve - Thu, 12 Mar 2020 21:42:27 EST VRSCWZQN No.6368589 Reply
>>6368559

I was wondering about this in general, I guess, in terms of both Wednesday night shows. Let’s just say for argument’s sake that according to the latest numbers that there are 1,600,000 Wednesday night wrestling fans. If one show disappeared suddenly, would the other get all of the remaining viewers? How did-hard do you think each show’s viewership is. For me, if AEW disappeared or moved to another night I wouldn’t watch NXT. I mean I’d flip it on maybe for a second, but I wouldn’t actually “watch” like I do AEW
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Arnold Skaaland - Fri, 13 Mar 2020 02:12:39 EST JC9WWRCu No.6368660 Reply
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Definitely felt like more of a filler week for AEW than most but still not terrible by any means. I guess it's just the build to war games, so there's not a lot happening in between. Do think AEW loves their show-ending ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE brawls too much though.
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Chris Sabin - Fri, 13 Mar 2020 07:19:15 EST NQLCELKx No.6368674 Reply
>>6368660
ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE needs to be an AEW meme since it seems like they're clearly self-aware of it, but it just hasn't caught on yet for whatever reason.

Someone needs to bring an ALL HELL BREAKS LOOSE sign to a show, for starters.
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Konnan - Fri, 13 Mar 2020 08:06:10 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6368680 Reply
>>6368674
Maybe you could have it be one of those placard signs where each person holds a letter?
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Minori Makiba - Fri, 13 Mar 2020 08:54:48 EST BlrIoG3o No.6368689 Reply
>>6368674
>since it seems like they're clearly self-aware
I don't know about that; their youtube/social media manager has made lots of spelling mistakes, forgot abut daylight savings times, scheduled tweets to go out on the wrong day, has gotten into arguments with the VoicesOfWrestling team about his mistakes... I think he's just an idiot
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Big Bad Mama - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 11:22:41 EST 0AcdH2Qk No.6369971 Reply
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>>6369967
>YES, WE''VE DONE IT! FINALLY THE RIGHTFUL SPOT! GET CORPORATE TO CUT THOSE WUHAN LAB BOYS A CHEQUE WILL YA PAL IT ALL WORKED AS PLANNED
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Daizee Haze - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 18:00:34 EST joLhGvYs No.6370086 Reply
>>6370079
people looking toward professional wrestling for a little sanity and normality. great sign.
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Monster C - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 18:55:06 EST 1/x0ltie No.6370094 Reply
>>6370086
Voices of Wrestling was crying on twitter last night that Raw wouldn't mention the coronavirus, as if Vince had the solution to curing the disease.
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El Hijo del Tirantes - Tue, 17 Mar 2020 20:07:37 EST ZoOSzLa9 No.6370117 Reply
>>6370105
Tape the shows, put some LuchaUnderground styled story telling and ratings will go up on this apocalypse timeline brother.
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Savannah - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 14:10:35 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6370587 Reply
bumping to the front page for the regularly scheduled 4pm thursday afternoon shit-flinging
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Mona - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 15:40:46 EST iQR7M55r No.6370606 Reply
>>6366169
> but only if they didn't fart.
lmao
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Ring Ryda Red - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 16:18:52 EST jWF7VzJN No.6370614 Reply
>AEW less than a mill despite being the only live entertainment and NXT being out of the top 50

Big fucking wrestling boom huh, NXT is cannibalizing AEW huh? Definite proof this ain't the case
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Stalker Ichikawa - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 17:16:40 EST /YsP7rdR No.6370639 Reply
>there's people who unironically believe wrestling isn't having a boom period
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Christopher Daniels - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 17:43:27 EST TGoAURVW No.6370652 Reply
>>6370616

LMAO seriously just bring up Keith Lee and Matt Riddle and then cancel NXT already this is just getting sad
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Mona - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 17:45:42 EST iQR7M55r No.6370653 Reply
>>6370616
> implying they didn't already pass 1 million in the first debut month
your memory deceiving ya, Vince?
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El MurciŽlago - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 18:14:57 EST q8zMvmTB No.6370659 Reply
>>6370616
Why are people so obsessed with 1 milion anyways? It was an amazing show and 932,000 is still an above average result for them
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David Otunga - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 18:28:50 EST GXHNtkkw No.6370660 Reply
>>6370659
because they know 1.1 million is the water mark left by TNA and their inherent fear of an OWL GANG planet leaves it burnt into their brain
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Lince Dorado - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 18:30:26 EST +r26z5ee No.6370661 Reply
>>6370659
because they started at 1m+. Plus it's just a nice round number I guess.
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The People - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 18:33:47 EST DIKFKCIe No.6370663 Reply
>>6370661
But 8s and 9s are rounder than 1s. Just look at all those edges it has.
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Hector Guerrero - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 18:36:13 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6370664 Reply
I will never understand the obsession over ratings tbh like I don't know what ratings Impact gets but that doesn't matter to me because I enjoy the show
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Vine - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 18:42:08 EST ZcoAes5B No.6370669 Reply
>>6370616
If Blood and Guts airs next week (and as of right now there is a very strong chance that will happen) they may just actually break a million again.
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Mona - Thu, 19 Mar 2020 19:24:12 EST iQR7M55r No.6370684 Reply
>>6370659
because current WWE is barely surpassing 2m on most weeks.

Any other brand let alone the brand openly created to counter their programming managing 1m or more is a clear and obvious threat to them, and an attraction to their corporate backers. Not to mention the financial backer of AEW is of the 60 richest men on Earth according to the Forbes list, meaning they have all the resources imaginable to outrun old braggadocios Vince McMahon in this little marathon.

Numbers may lie, but in this case they certainly mean something. That's why.
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Chiva III - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 02:58:16 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6370792 Reply
>>6370659
It's the latest goalpost for coping mechanisms.

'memba when people claimed ALL IN wouldn't sell out?
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Jim Cornette - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 15:48:41 EST XjzLSbOC No.6370912 Reply
>>6370853
The fact that almost 200 people watched NXT instead makes me sad.
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Player Uno - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 15:52:28 EST cfOXxE22 No.6370913 Reply
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>>6370912
You've got to understand WWE has genuinely created a cult-like love among their most hardcore fans, they view WWE not as a company wanting to make money off them, but as a family member.

"WWE Universe" was an incredible marketing plan, it's transformed customers into believing they're actually part of the company
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Celt !BzcOsK03.w - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 16:19:46 EST SSBWwyU5 No.6370920 Reply
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>>6370912
>>6370913
Are you guys seriously being this melodramatic about 200 people watching something in the tubes?

A minor indie iPPV in the tubes will get like 600 people watching it. 180 people watching NXT isn't necessarily all that significant a number of this community watching something.

Like, what do you want to hear: That we put NXT on in the tubes and only 5 people showed up? That's never going to happen. I don't watch the show anymore since they completely rejigged the format/vibe of the show but there's a lot of people who are still very attached to the roster from years of watching NXT and getting invested in roster. So while I'm no longer into it, the mantra of different strokes for different folks still applies.

It really doesn't require this over the top "WWE is a cult" explantation.
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Hillbilly Jim - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 16:25:07 EST KgqYShQJ No.6370923 Reply
>>6370920
People around here would rather engage in mean spirited childish consolewaring than simply not care what other people do
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Cliff Compton - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 19:19:35 EST jkHcIii8 No.6370992 Reply
>>6370912
Sometimes I have two windows open and mute them selectively as I watch back and forth. No need to warch NXT though, as soon as I saw there wouldn't be any wrestling or live burial comments by HHH
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Lioness Asuka - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:35:48 EST sjpsmJPL No.6371047 Reply
>>6371040

Not if you fuck that bitch with a shirt on, then after you you make her drink your piss, she has no choice but to respect you, even if you do have a WWE tattoo
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Giant Bernard - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:24:47 EST ylICH3m0 No.6371199 Reply
>>6370920
>I don't watch the show anymore
>I'm no longer into it
My heart just broke a little for ya Celt
From someone who was there when it was Tuesday night FCW tube.
They killed our baby :(
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Tammy Jones - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:29:27 EST dYhrmb6W No.6371202 Reply
>>6370920
>It really doesn't require this over the top "WWE is a cult" explantation
Just ignore it. Suddenly "WWE is a cult" is just the newest buzzword for people on this board that hate WWE. It immediately disqualifies their opinion. They can't even decide if they mean WWE's fans are a cult (because by extension, any that makes any fanbase a cult), or (the even dumber argument) WWE's wrestlers are a cult lead by Vince McMahon.

>>6370957
>Dat man titty
That's a WWE mark alright.
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Tammy Jones - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:39:36 EST dYhrmb6W No.6371212 Reply
>>6371205
Yeah, but using the phrase "WWE is a cult" while claiming that Vince McMahon controls all of the wrestler's sleep schedules, and re-educates them with propaganda and re-written history started popping up last year in some thread that was screencapped and gets shared every few weeks or so.
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MEN's Teioh - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:40:37 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6371213 Reply
>>6371212
>and re-educates them with propaganda and re-written history

Did you miss all of Seth's tweets?
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Giant Bernard - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:43:13 EST ylICH3m0 No.6371216 Reply
>>6371212
>re-educates them with propaganda and re-written history
have you not seen their Ruthless Aggression "documentaries" airing lately ?
Or *any* of their "documentaries" for that matter ?
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Tony Chimel - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:45:05 EST lLyPkEhR No.6371219 Reply
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>>6371212
Yeah, not a new joke or reference at all. In fact it's likely older than you,
the wwe is a cult thing has been around for nearly two decades ffs
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Tammy Jones - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:46:29 EST dYhrmb6W No.6371222 Reply
>>6371213

I hate to sound like one of those ID stalking creeps, but I just stumbled across this: >6371204
You're in another thread saying Vince McMahon has Cesaro literally brainwashed. You're part of the problem. Saying WWE is a cult (or at least is abusing its employees with cult-like tactics) simply because they're not pushing a wrestler you like is just weird, man.
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Tammy Jones - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:49:11 EST dYhrmb6W No.6371225 Reply
>>6371216
Ugh, we just had this thread like a month ago. WWE isn't tying down its employees Clockwork Orange style and forcing them to watch these documentaries. The wrestlers are part of the business too. They know what's real and what's fake, what's done for narrative purposes.

This is what I'm saying by people can't even land on the fans being the cult vs the wrestlers being the cult. Pick a lane.
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Giant Bernard - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:59:57 EST ylICH3m0 No.6371233 Reply
>>6371225
They are all in the cult.
As are you seemingly with your defensiveness about this.
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Santino Marella - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 12:52:46 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6371249 Reply
>>6371205
>we
It's mainly you. You spend more time hate-posting about wwe and attacking other posters for their tastes and making kringey BTW jokes than you do just talking about wrestling that you like. You come off like a ledditor with an axe to grind against wwe
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Ryuji Ito - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:53:42 EST iQR7M55r No.6371280 Reply
>>6371222
nobody has said any of that
way to go implying more cult-based activities than any of us even said.


Fanbase acts like a cult, employees also have numerous similarities to a cult atmosphere, and the company higher-ups excluding the two Vince fired also show characteristics of a cult, You rejecting the simple and obvious truth to forcefully oppose this obvious reality also seem like a unconsciously indoctrinated would-be cult member.


make sense.
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Shane Douglas - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 23:13:46 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6371396 Reply
>>6371222
lmao fucking ex-employ-err, "independent contractors" have said Vince uses mind games on them.

>simply because they're not pushing a wrestler you like

oh there's definitely "simply" in here but it's not me

>>6371249
Where are your papers?
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Shane Douglas - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 00:57:55 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6371404 Reply
>>6371400
I don't even know what that is. And I've been posting on here for nearly a decade
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Chuck Palumbo - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 07:44:16 EST jEGuiRVR No.6371434 Reply
>>6371400
They're get called a cult for so many reasons fam. This is nothing new.
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Conor O'Brian - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 10:39:39 EST qw/cMc+F No.6371448 Reply
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>>6371434
Every mark that stans for a specific fed can be called out as a cultist, it isn't exclusive to one company.
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Lash LeRoux - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 11:51:41 EST 25I2pZmJ No.6371458 Reply
>>6371400
Uh, no, it's a cult because that high-paying job, which worships one all-knowing figure at the top, controls and micromanages 90% of the empl- wrest- [LEADER-APPROVED TERM]'s life and separates them from their families as well as the rest of society (who they're actively taught to look down on), and because while many legitimately DO like it (do you think people don't like being in cults as long as they're favored...?), many legitimately DON'T, but are taught to be so afraid of being outside the Group that they stay even while being openly unhappy.

You're "SOMEHOW" picking up on the wrong aspects of the argument so you don't have to actually critically analyze that Vince McMahon treats professional wrestlers like human fucking cattle.
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Conor O'Brian - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 12:10:33 EST qw/cMc+F No.6371459 Reply
>>6371458
Maybe we should start coining the term "Vince Derangement Syndrome" using this post as an example.
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Shane Douglas - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:08:06 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6371473 Reply
>>6371471
I love how any criticism of WWE being a dystopian shithole for its employe-err, "independent contractors" is spun as this.
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Steve The Turtle Weiner - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:14:23 EST 1/x0ltie No.6371474 Reply
>>6371458
>>6371470
>>6371473
Dude, get help. It's wrestling, not Jonestown

What happened to /wooo/, this is seriously the only place that takes wrestling this stupid serious as if it's a life or death matter.
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Bob Armstrong - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:16:38 EST dYhrmb6W No.6371476 Reply
>>6371473
Saying WWE treats wrestlers poorly is one thing, but claiming WWE is a literal cult tearing apart families and brainwashing wrestlers is another.
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Jushin Thunder Liger - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:18:04 EST CR6zktB8 No.6371477 Reply
>>6371474
Imagine taking any post that calls WWE trash or says they treat their guys like shit as "taking wrestling seriously like it's a life or death matter."
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Steve The Turtle Weiner - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:26:15 EST 1/x0ltie No.6371478 Reply
>>6371477
There is a massive leap in logic between saying "WWE is trash" and "WWE is a cult"
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Jushin Thunder Liger - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:33:08 EST CR6zktB8 No.6371480 Reply
>>6371478
They can be both & saying it doesn't = treating wrestling like it's "life or death"
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Steve The Turtle Weiner - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:37:15 EST 1/x0ltie No.6371482 Reply
>>6371481
It's best to contain this nonsensical console war into 1 thread.
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Droz - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 13:43:28 EST x5DI6Fq8 No.6371485 Reply
>ratings "war" is basically a dick waggling contest
>ratings marks are essentially waggling the dicks of the brand they endorse
this shit is mad gay
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Sumie Sakai - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 14:59:25 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6371496 Reply
>>6371473
By your own logic, AEW wrestlers praising Cody who is their vocally anti union boss, is also cult like
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Bob Armstrong - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:51:21 EST dYhrmb6W No.6371502 Reply
>>6371485
It's just a tug o' war over the same 1.6-1.8 million or so viewers each week.
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James Storm - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:53:32 EST x2yu9nV0 No.6371510 Reply
>”i-i’m not p-p-part of a c-cult!!” The thread
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Sara - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:04:00 EST q8zMvmTB No.6371511 Reply
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>the state of wooo these past 2 days
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Rich Swann - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:21:57 EST XjzLSbOC No.6371512 Reply
People can say shit sucks. Wwe sucks. Aew sucks. Look i said they both suck. I like aew tho. Just saying.
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Jonathan Barber - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:32:19 EST lnLXMCUp No.6371522 Reply
Have you guys fried Monster Energy Java? It tastes really good. It has a lot of sugar, but if you look pass that, it's the best canned coffee in the game today.
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Mister ZERO - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 19:05:52 EST 0AcdH2Qk No.6371530 Reply
This post is sponsored by Raid: Shadow Legends.
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Christie Ricci - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 21:29:52 EST dYhrmb6W No.6371573 Reply
>>6371522
> It has a lot of sugar, but if you look pass that, it's the best canned coffee in the game today.
All of those canned coffees are more cream/sugar/milk than coffee.
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Jazz - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 00:31:08 EST iLe2GkB4 No.6371603 Reply
Don't let them know the secret of our "family", WWE Universe™.
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Aldo Montoya - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:57:28 EST 4dejpoKd No.6371665 Reply
>>6371573
On that note, Starbucks Doubleshot Cubano is just espresso and sugar. Still a ton of sugar, but it's delicious, perfect if you don't want milk for whatever reason.
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Horace - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:06:51 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6371666 Reply
>>6371662
>“I’ll hit this right on the head, there’s been talk in wrestling – people say the word, ‘union’ a lot. A union in wrestling would destroy wrestling because it’s not there at the price point yet. You’ve got to continue to up the profile. You have to take these baby steps, and a baby step is a talent feedback system, a baby step is a player’s league, a body where there’s a transparent line of communication between your office and your talent about what they like, what they don’t like, the travel, the catering, everything to the booking – it’s got to be there. The resource for wrestling is professional wrestlers but they have to be nurtured, taken care of.”
https://411mania.com/wrestling/cody-rhodes-a-union-in-wrestling-would-destroy-wrestling/

Just the EVP publicly telling the press & his employ-- er I mean "independent contractors" that it would destroy the business if they asked for collective bargaining rights.
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Cassandro - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:18:46 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6371668 Reply
>>6371666
When did AEW treat people it classes as independent contractors like employees, pal?
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Horace - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 13:30:31 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6371671 Reply
>>6371668
when it signed wrestlers like MJF, Hangman Page, Sammy Guevara, SCU, Kip Sabian and Penelope Ford to exclusive deals.
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Horace - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:10:10 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6371678 Reply
>>6371677
right which further highlights the disparity that one of the wrestlers who receives healthcare is telling wrestlers that report to him that a union would destroy their business.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:13:07 EST M1ahJWky No.6371680 Reply
>>6371666
>A union in wrestling would destroy wrestling because it’s not there at the price point yet.

what a snake
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Mochi Miyagi - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:18:36 EST q8zMvmTB No.6371683 Reply
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>>6371666
the price point? price point of what? walmart employees are entitled to make unions, what the fuck is supposed to happen to make wrestlers appearing in front of a near milion people get the right to protest for better treatment?
i almost forgot how far his head can cave up his own ass sometimes
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Bob Backlund - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:22:21 EST XjzLSbOC No.6371685 Reply
>>6371683
Because when they unionize and then protest so they all make more money it would put them out of business. Wal mart makes way more money than aew btw lol.
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Mochi Miyagi - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 14:46:26 EST q8zMvmTB No.6371690 Reply
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>>6371685
is this post a joke? aew is run by the son of one of the richest people on the planet, it's greatly overdelivering in ratings and they've signed a new 3 years contract
you really think a union is all it takes to destroy such solid grounds for profit?
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Horace - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:03:18 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6371699 Reply
>>6371685
>it would put them out of business
[citation needed]

break down the financials. show your work.
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Bob Backlund - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:05:09 EST XjzLSbOC No.6371702 Reply
>>6371699
Well im not sure how much they make but can they really afford to pay all their employees wcw tier money? Which isnwhat would happen if they unionized right?
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:05:35 EST M1ahJWky No.6371703 Reply
>>6371699
because the Khan's would only get 5 million in personal profit instead of 10 million, the poor babies
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Bob Backlund - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:07:03 EST XjzLSbOC No.6371704 Reply
>>6371703
Well i didnt say that Im anti union. I want them to unionize. I just understand why they wouldnt want to and I dont think AEW is making as much of a profit as people think. Are there any documents of there income?
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Carlos Cabrera - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:10:27 EST ZcoAes5B No.6371706 Reply
>>6371702
Honestly AEW kinda shat the bed in terms of making grandoise promises about how wrestlers are treated that they knew they couldn't/wouldn't live up to. All they had to do was demonstrate that they're better for workers than WWE (which they are) and they'd be fine, but now they look douchey for failing to deliver the big things they promised. And that sucks because the good they do should be celebrated as a step in the right direction, but now it's getting buried under the "where is the healthcare" question.
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Carlos Cabrera - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:17:01 EST ZcoAes5B No.6371710 Reply
>>6371708
No shit it would be awesome but unfortunately the boomers who run both parties are convinced that their private plans are great and shouldn't be touched at all so until they all die off we're stuck with this shit.
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Horace - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:32:37 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6371712 Reply
>>6371702
>can they really afford to pay all their employees wcw tier money? Which isnwhat would happen if they unionized right?

Are you asking that rhetorically or do you really not know? Cause if you really don't know, why are you so sure that a union wouldn't work?

Having a union wouldn't just mean "everyone makes 1998 WCW money." A union would help negotiate:
-a clearly defined policy about working freelance/indie shows that is equal for all wrestlers
-company-provided healthcare
-a clearly defined policy regarding transportation/travel expenses & reimbursements for wrestlers & crew
-a clearly defined policy for revenue generated from IP that was created by the wrestlers
-and a clearly-defined minimum payscale meaning all wrestlers at the same level are getting paid an equal amount -- at minimum. With guaranteed, regular cost-of-living wage increases.
-if it follows the tract of other sports unions: a salary cap which would ensure that no talent could hog a "1998 WCW" level of the budget.

Then the wrestlers and management would negotiate the details of all those policies. The wrestlers would always been informed of management's counter-offer. And then once wrestlers & mgmt go thru each provision in the union contract, the wrestlers would then vote to ratify the contract - meaning they approve of all the terms.

The wrestlers are not going to get everything they demand. That's how negotiation works.

A union isn't just going to mean Marko Stunt earns 1.5 million dollars. But for example if AEW has two levels of contracts: US-exclusive (like Moxley, Jericho) and non-exclusive (like Orange Cassidy still working indies), they could establish a pay minimum for people at the exclusive level and at the non-exclusive level. And you wouldn't get discrepancies like say Kris Statlander or Sonny Kiss only making $20,000 while Brandon Cutler makes $45,000.

A union would negotiate so everyone starts at the same, fair starting point. Individuals would still have the right to negotiate for higher pay for themselves. Jericho could still negotiate that he wasn't going to work anything less than $750,000 for example even if a union ensured that AEW mgmt could go no lower than $50,000 (which is a hypothetical example)
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:41:04 EST YILbGvXF No.6371717 Reply
>>6371712
>-if it follows the tract of other sports unions: a salary cap which would ensure that no talent could hog a "1998 WCW" level of the budget.
part of WCWs problem is that a lot of those guys got paid for nothing, and WCW was too weak as a company to just say no.
also other Sports have those in place so one team doesn't get unfair advantages over another team: but these teams are all part of a parent Association/League.
AEW does not have that so they have no obligation, legal or otherwise, to give a fuck about that. That is why WWE Pilfers talent all the time cause there is no Wrestling Authority that is above them telling them they can't.
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Bob Backlund - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 17:25:55 EST XjzLSbOC No.6371747 Reply
>>6371712
I genuinly dont know. Im not even acting like I have all the answers. Well i was trying to at least. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Horace - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 17:30:23 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6371749 Reply
>>6371712
another reason that a union would be good:

If a promotion unionized and achieved a salary minimum for all wrestlers regardless of gender or experience, then it would force the other national promotions to match it

If MLW is only offering talents $100 a show while AEW is giving a guaranteed $50K with health insurance, who the fuck would be foolish enough to sign with Court Bauer?
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Hiroshi Tanahashi - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 17:32:08 EST GXHNtkkw No.6371751 Reply
>>6371749
>who the fuck would be foolish enough to sign with Court Bauer?
that's a question to ask at any time
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Alex Riley - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 18:14:31 EST KXOQhz5n No.6371767 Reply
>>6371749
this question stands even without a union, I'm willing to believe literally anyone MLW signs could get at least a bottom level NXT deal
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Jackie Gayda - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 23:35:33 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6371843 Reply
>>6371678
>he wants his employer to use healthcare as yet another bargaining chip over him

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Duke Droese - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 23:55:50 EST NI1moNGA No.6371850 Reply
>>6371843
>He doesn't want the labor force to achieve better benefits by whatever means are available to them

You sound like a brainwashed cult member by condoning a boss's hypocrisy
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Jackie Gayda - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 02:12:07 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6371864 Reply
>>6371850
No I live in a civilised nation that has government-provided healthcare you fucking dingus
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Meare Naito - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:55:38 EST J+YOPxg+ No.6371903 Reply
Yanoface weirdo doesn't shower I swear. He's here 24/7.
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Cody Rhodes - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 09:27:35 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6371913 Reply
>>6371864
Does your civilized nation have a strong labor force too? Any reason why you're trying to rationalize why it's okay for Cody to publicly talk about why it would be bad for his wrestlers to have collective bargaining rights? Are you able to break free of the conditioning?
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Alex Wright - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 12:55:17 EST MILqWokm No.6371954 Reply
>>6371952
>a repeat of a six year old PPV outdraws NXT
That's not great for USA, but probably good for WWE and ESPN going back and forth on PPV rights.
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Lash LeRoux - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 14:25:54 EST dYhrmb6W No.6371984 Reply
>>6371954
To be fair, the six year old PPV had actual matches. NXT was just a bunch of recap videos and promos. I'm amazed anyone watched NXT to begin with.
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Cody Rhodes - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 16:39:49 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372029 Reply
>>6371953
>>6371952
It's all relative

ESPN Draws Its Highest Viewership Of The Weekend For The Airing Of WWE WrestleMania 30
>Viewership is in for Sunday’s ESPN’s special airing of WWE WrestleMania 30 and it overall delivered a pretty solid lariat for the cable TV giant. Mania 30 stepped out of the cable network TV cage with an 839,000 in total viewership, equaling to a 0.30 rating, four times less than Sunday’s breadwinner which happened to be AMC’s The Walking Dead, but still leaving it as ESPN’s top rated show for the weekend.

> The full 240 minute airing of the Mania that heavily focused on The Undertaker’s streak ending as well as the epic rise of Daniel Bryan came away with a 0.49 rating in the male 18-49 demographic, putting it on the level of most network news coverage, but found itself incredibly low in the female 18-49 with an 0.18 rating.

https://www.mandatory.com/wrestlezone/news/1178889-espn-wwe-wrestlemania-30-ratings
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Chessman - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 18:06:47 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6372062 Reply
>>6372056
To be fair that E-Racing was so fucking real looking I had to google around to figure out it was virtual. Shits wild
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USApe - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 18:39:34 EST Pf4frE/Z No.6372082 Reply
>>6371903
> nearly 35 posts before yours since a Yano face was used
who are you even talking about
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Rodney Mack - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:50:24 EST Pf4frE/Z No.6372155 Reply
>>6372111
ah, petty mods gotten to enough to delete posts that didn't have anything ban worthy in them. Checks out
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Madman Buttocks !F612/rL8Ks - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 00:44:02 EST I4WEIqUU No.6372162 Reply
>>6372155
if you get globally banned for something usually all your posts get wiped
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Luther Reigns - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 00:45:59 EST GXHNtkkw No.6372163 Reply
>>6372162
yeah but obviously it's a globalist nazi commie plot by the altright saucer WOO WOO WOO reptiloids YOU KNOW IT so yeah
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Alex Riley - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 09:35:01 EST dYhrmb6W No.6372232 Reply
>>6372155
Sometimes posts get left up when someone gets banned (to show people actually do get banned) other times posts just get taken down entirely to avoid more conflict.

I think the Yano guy mentioned before was the weirdo who started and ended every post with a Haitch/Yano face combo, like it was his personal signature or something. Now if only they'll do SOMETHING about that guy that RANDOMLY posts WORDS in ALL CAPS next.
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Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:24:28 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372725 Reply
bumping for the 4pm console wars round 3489435839009
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Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:09:38 EST AYqSssJV No.6372771 Reply
>>6372725
For a guy who claims to hate "console war bitching" you sure do love stoking those fires from all sides every week.
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Ken Patera - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:36:51 EST b1mC5k/U No.6372792 Reply
>PW Insider Elite audio noted that the company is sending out surveys to fans who cancel their WWE Network subscriptions. There is a survey attached with some very interesting questions.

>The survey asked if participants want more NXT content on the WWE Network. They asked about the possibility of airing NXT live on the WWE Network every Wednesday.

Uhhhhh...........
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Sting - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:39:45 EST cfOXxE22 No.6372796 Reply
>>6372792
There's minimal difference in the number of viewers for NXT and what was on in that timeslot prior to NXT, so I imagine they're not wanting to pay much if anything to renew it since NXT isn't drawing in extra viewers
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Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:40:16 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372797 Reply
>>6372771
i'd rather have it organized to one thread than shitting up the entire front page
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Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:42:47 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372799 Reply
>>6372794
i wonder if it would region blocked for the US, similar to the international FITE feed for AEW

Is NXT on TV in the UK?
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Al Wilson - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:43:42 EST F0gyv0tw No.6372801 Reply
>>6372794
That doesn’t benefit USA. Sounds like their preparing for cancellation.
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Awesome Kong - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:47:17 EST qw/cMc+F No.6372805 Reply
>>6372798
NXT was never exclusive to USA, it's available on the Network at a later time.
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Ken Patera - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:52:06 EST b1mC5k/U No.6372807 Reply
>>6372805
It's live on USA. That's an exclusive premiere. Simulcasting devalues that.
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The Miz - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:54:00 EST QQesQNiH No.6372809 Reply
>>6372801
USA has been fed up with a lot of shows lately. They cancelled Pearson which was doing about 500k per episode.
They moved Mr. Robot to a deathslot on Sunday nights and it only got 400k per episode.
They moved Briarpatch after RAW (meaning it's essentially cancelled) and it only gets about 500k per episode too.
Wouldn't be shocked if USA pulls the plug on NXT since they aren't seeing the return of ratings they were promised. Suits in the same time slot averaged 1 million viewers a year ago.
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Awesome Kong - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:58:46 EST qw/cMc+F No.6372813 Reply
>>6372807
True, but a devaluation != cancellation; keep in mind this is also just a survey to gauge people's mindsets for Network cancellations.
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Ken Patera - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:08:42 EST b1mC5k/U No.6372825 Reply
>>6372813
So what's the motivation for USA to devalue NXT with the numbers its been pulling? WWE surveys are usually an indicator for future plans. This feels like a backup plan for getting canceled.
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Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:11:04 EST AYqSssJV No.6372830 Reply
>>6372825
Will feed nicely into the "ACSCHUALLY THEY ALWAYS WANTED IT TO BE ON WWE NETWORK, USA NETWORK DIDN'T BREAK UP WITH US WE DUMPED THEM" narrative that will be spun if or when that happens.
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Awesome Kong - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:17:02 EST qw/cMc+F No.6372839 Reply
>>6372825
WWE and USA have a business partnership, both platforms allow for streaming of their programming which is apparently where a good chunk of the views are coming in for wrestling as a whole.
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Sting - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:21:01 EST cfOXxE22 No.6372847 Reply
>>6372839
You still haven't answered the question, why would USA agree to reducing their own channel's viewership?
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Awesome Kong - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:24:01 EST qw/cMc+F No.6372853 Reply
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>>6372847
I'm not the one you should be asking, I just watch the show.
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Sting - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:25:18 EST cfOXxE22 No.6372854 Reply
>>6372853
You were the one who raised the idea of it being potentially due to a "simulcast", so the onus is on you to justify why USA would agree to such a thing
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Awesome Kong - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:29:55 EST qw/cMc+F No.6372865 Reply
>>6372854
It's the logical explanation, it doesn't need to be run through the forum court of law when the initial premise is based around speculation.
Just one of those things people are looking way too deep into for a personal agenda.
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Ken Patera - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:30:20 EST b1mC5k/U No.6372866 Reply
>>6372839
What a bunch of corporate speak. There's no benefit for USA to do a simulcast.
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Sting - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:32:53 EST cfOXxE22 No.6372870 Reply
>>6372865
It's not logical though, as has been pointed out. For it to be logical it'd need to make business sense for both parties. It is clearly negative for USA network with no benefit. If you think basic logic like that is a "deep look" then I don't know what to say
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Awesome Kong - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:38:42 EST qw/cMc+F No.6372876 Reply
>>6372874
That was your own wording to imply it was leading to a cancellation.
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Ken Patera - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:50:22 EST b1mC5k/U No.6372886 Reply
>>6372876
I said simulcasting NXT would devalue it to USA, which you agreed to. Still waiting for you to explain how that's a benefit.
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Awesome Kong - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:16:55 EST qw/cMc+F No.6372980 Reply
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AEW- 819,000
NXT- 669,000
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Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:23:55 EST AYqSssJV No.6372993 Reply
>>6372992
>IT DOESN'T "COUNT" FOR THIS REASON THO
lmfao every week with this spin nonsense
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Chief Jay Strongbow - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:26:22 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6372997 Reply
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ARMBARS EVERYWHERE
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Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:27:48 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372998 Reply
>>6372993
i didn't say it "didn't count," but saying "time to move nights Paul" on a night when NXT went up and AEW went down doesn't make sense.
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Big Bad Mama - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:28:10 EST dYhrmb6W No.6372999 Reply
>>6372993
He didn't say it doesn't count, but it's worth looking at the bigger picture.

Either way, it's still two companies playing tug o' war over the same 1.5 million fans each week. When AEW loses viewers, they tune into NXT and vice versa.
Neither show is gaining a new audience anymore.
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Alex Wright - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:29:13 EST BxsoGG2K No.6373001 Reply
>>6372992
i'm surprised only aew dropped. everyone's shows have been really awkward.
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The Miz - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:32:16 EST QQesQNiH No.6373003 Reply
The important thing to take away from this week's ratings are that NXT didn't rank in the Top 50 for a second week in a row.
I'm not knocking NXT, but networks aren't thrilled when they hear a show they expected to be a draw can't even make that.
Because of the pandemic, they are OK for now, but when it ends and if that rating still doesn't make it into the Top 50, don't expect NXT to last much longer on USA.
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Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:32:57 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6373004 Reply
>>6372999
I would say it is troublesome that AEW went down a week after
-Matt Hardy's debut
-The Exalted One reveal/Brodie's debut
-a well reviewed empty arena show

I can't even remember: what did they advertise for next week's dynamite?
The Lumberjack match and Parking Lot Brawl didn't happen (and was there even an explanation?)

NXT gained viewers off of a clip show and has pre-taped who knows how many episodes of "Takeover" matches to run on Wednesdays... while it's still a question mark that Dynamite will still even be able to happen next week

NXT ratings went up when they had the build to Survivor Series and then started to drop after
AEW ratings went up when they had the build to Revolution and then started to drop after.

With no Blood & Guts and Double Or Nothing most likely not happening... what is AEW building to?
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Kagetsu - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:33:48 EST iLe2GkB4 No.6373007 Reply
>>6372984
This is unironically best for business but Paul would rather delay the inevitable.
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Awesome Kong - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:36:56 EST qw/cMc+F No.6373012 Reply
>>6373004
>what is AEW building to?
The moment where they're struggling to find a taping location
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Fire Ant - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:51:59 EST Pf4frE/Z No.6373026 Reply
>>6373003
Haitch prematurely blowing his load only to have it fail would be pottery in motion.
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Jimmy Uso - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:59:54 EST ZcoAes5B No.6373067 Reply
>>6373004
I'm honestly beginning to wonder if ratings in general are related to the quality of the show at all or if there are more important factors in play.
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Glacier - Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:07:24 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6373328 Reply
next few weeks will be interesting:
> Even though Full Sail University was shut down, WWE was able to tape multiple episodes of NXT there on 3/22. So there are weeks of shows in the can. The decision was made for the scheduled and already announced Takeover matches to air on the regular Wednesday night shows starting on 4/1.

> The Keith Lee vs. Dominik Dijakovic vs. Damien Priest North American title match will take place on 4/1. The Johnny Gargano vs. Tommaso Ciampa match, considered the main event for that show, is airing on 4/8. Also airing on 4/8 is the women’s ladder match, which will determine who faces the Ripley vs. Flair winner at a later date. In the ladder match will be Chelsea Green, Mia Yim, Tegan Nox, Io Shirai, Candice LeRae and the winner of a gauntlet series of matches that take place on 4/1. The women in that match are Xia Li vs. Deonna Purrazzo vs. Dakota Kai vs. Aliyah vs. Kayden Carter vs. Shotzi Blackheart.
**vs**
> AEW has given up the idea of running shows before fans through until 5/20 at the earliest. The company will continue to tape matches every Wednesday provided that it is possible to do so. It is on a week-by-week basis, as is the location. There is another location they could move to and everything is up in the air but everything went fine in Jacksonville this week and they taped a ton of stuff. They are planning at press time to do more taping next week but nothing is for sure.

> Due to travel restrictions, Pac and Pentagon Jr., who live in the U.K. and Mexico, were unable to come in so the Death Triangle group has been put on hold. The California crew like The Young Bucks, SCU, Rey Fenix, Excalibur, ref Rick Knox and others were unable to come. Jim Ross and Taz weren’t there either whether it be for reasons of caution or an inability to travel. Tony Schiavone did the announcing on his own, with Cody and Kenny Omega helping out at different times. Bea Priestley, who lives in Japan although right now is in the U.K., and was being groomed for a women’s title program with Nyla Rose, is also out for now, as would be Yuka Sakazaki. If they even do something with Rose short-term, it looks like it would be with Hikaru Shida, who has moved to the U.S.

Not sure why AEW didn't try to pre tape as much as possible with the crew they had for the first empty arena show. Could have banked as much as possible w Death Triangle, Best Friends, Orange, SCU, Colt, Janela, Dark Order, etc
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Atsushi Kotoge - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:02:10 EST q8zMvmTB No.6373692 Reply
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smackdown will be back averaging 2.0 milions by the end of the year
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AKIRA - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:10:25 EST i384inau No.6373695 Reply
>>6365598
2019-10-02: 1,409,000
2019-10-09: 1,140,000
2019-10-16: 1,014,000
Second and third show don't count either?
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Xavier - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:18:37 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6373698 Reply
>>6373695
>AEW hit a million viewers 3 times five months ago
TNA once did that too.
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Yumiko Inoue - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:32:07 EST gnoNPUJZ No.6373708 Reply
Don't NXT and AEW crack 1 million every week with DVR numbers?
Pretty sure Keller has been reporting them for months but no one cares
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Jun Kasai - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:38:39 EST dYhrmb6W No.6373713 Reply
>>6373695
Thanks for pointing out AEW managed to lose 500,000+ viewers in less than a month. This certainly proves they're a ratings juggernaut.
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Xavier - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:45:33 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6373719 Reply
>>6373705
"hitting 1 million viewers" is an arbitrary metric. nothing changes when either show does it. the goal for both shows is to be sustainable, grow the audience and increase profits. They don't necessarily need to hit "1 million" to achieve that. clinging to "they hit a million-plus three times a few months ago" doesn't signify anything in terms of box office success moving forward.
A more immediate metric is "why did over a 100,000 viewers tune out after MAtt Hardy and Brodie Lee's debut?" "why did LOLWWE gain a hundred thousand viewers?"
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Jun Kasai - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:48:26 EST dYhrmb6W No.6373721 Reply
>>6373716
I'm not moving goalposts. I'm just saying if he wants to use their debut shows with their highest numbers ever as some kind of proof AEW has good ratings, he also has to realize those numbers demonstrate the MASSIVE drop in ratings Dynamite had in their first month. Sure, AEW debuted to a 1.4 million, but the 10/30 show only did 759,000. The ratings basically dropped by half in a month.
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Xavier - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 14:48:40 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6373723 Reply
>>6373718
>The finish line
the only finish line in pro wrestling is when a show stops for good.
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Xavier - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 15:41:11 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6373737 Reply
>>6373735
>like it or not it matters to hit 1 mill consistently
but AEW isn't doing that. and i'm not sure if "the first 3 weeks and hasn't happened since" would ever be considered "consistent"
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Masato Yoshino - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 15:53:00 EST iLe2GkB4 No.6373742 Reply
>>6373723
Bro, the point wasn't that literal. The goalpost moving has been a very real occurrence since AEW's inception which is apart from the long term sustainability discussion. It's fair if you want to say that we moved the discussion beyond AEW's initial burst of uncertainty but you have to go through some serious mental gymnastic to deny the goalpost moving that happened since their first ppv.
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Grizzly Redwood - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 16:03:19 EST QSYhnRQX No.6373749 Reply
>>6373735
It really doesn't though? Like maybe TNT is a little more excited and if they hit it consistently that's awesome for them. But
"Hey nonwrestling fans check out this cool new thing!"
"What's their current TV Rating?"
".34 in the 18-34 demo"
"Who the fuck cares about that? Call me back when they reach .42"

Is not a conversation I've ever had or am likely to.
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Xavier - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 16:05:00 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6373751 Reply
>>6373741
>>6373742
is that really happening on wooo though beyond a few shitposts? feels like this board is mostly pro aew; if anything i'd say the problem is defensiveness over constructive criticism of aew
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Jun Kasai - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 17:08:42 EST dYhrmb6W No.6373769 Reply
>>6373751
I would say the board is mostly objectively pro-AEW in that they want to see the industry as a whole rise up. Most of the conflict on this board comes from people with realistic expectations of AEW vs naive AEW marks that think the company can do no wrong.
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George The Animal Steele - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 19:15:56 EST 31a17XBR No.6373797 Reply
>>6373790
Profound statement for someone that seemingly insisted on evading a mere 2 day ban for being an asshat. You arent fooling anybody
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Tursas - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:39:36 EST 31a17XBR No.6373835 Reply
>>6373833 do you deny this is you?
>>6373420
you couldnt just sit in timeout for 2 days you just had to plague this board further with your shit?

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