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Dark Side of the Ring Season 2 Thread

- Fri, 20 Mar 2020 19:23:38 EST T5Ycresu No.6370993
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I'm making this thread for Dark Side of the Ring discussion seeing as the second season is going to premiere on Tuesday, March 24. They posted Part one of the Chris Benoit episode on Youtube so here it is. All Dark Side of the Ring discussion should stay here.

Silver King - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 19:37:38 EST ooFhtibn No.6371001 Reply
I'm having a hard time getting through this.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 21:37:32 EST UveV14Hw No.6371066 Reply
Well we'll have individual threads each week when we show it in the tube but I guess this can the overall season general then. Should be an interesting one especially the Benoit and Brawl for All episodes.
Justin King - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 21:37:58 EST MILqWokm No.6371067 Reply
This is such a fucking difficult watch, moreso than anything in S1 easily, but it's really fucking well put together.
Asya - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 21:46:19 EST zVSMKZyQ No.6371069 Reply
Damn she got Fallen Angel from that Uriah Heep album cover? Nice.
Caprice Coleman - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 21:57:11 EST wB3/iOvI No.6371072 Reply
I don't know how Eddie survived even one of those Wild Pegasus powerbombs, let alone multiple of them throughout his career.
Fixxxer - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 23:09:06 EST ccoHS4Ba No.6371096 Reply
Seeing Chavo saying that Eddie was there and fighting, then he just died in his arms...is...God man.
Dixie Carter - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 23:44:05 EST T5Ycresu No.6371100 Reply
Didn't know Sullivan was an abusive piece of shit until now
Dixie Carter - Fri, 20 Mar 2020 23:58:46 EST T5Ycresu No.6371104 Reply
>that picture of David and Daniel

Little Egypt - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 01:40:05 EST VVIq4GIy No.6371119 Reply
that eddie part was sad as fuck especially since i always thought the story was eddie just died in his sleep. and then hearing more about how benoit reacted say what ya want about the guy but he really cared about eddie.
The Violator !tBNP1LKL7A - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 01:47:20 EST 0izi/UIF No.6371120 Reply
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God. That part with Chavo describing the scene of finding Eddie was downright heartbreaking. He'd gone a little into it before but that one hit hard.
Iceberg - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 02:43:46 EST oKWoMJQp No.6371123 Reply
Yeah... I had no idea he died in his hands. Things were never the same after Eddie. It was the first time I ever really cried in my life. Watching all this just brought it all back. For like a week, I'd start sobbing and not just for Eddie, for Benoit too. Just watching him breakdown like that broke me every time because you knew it broke him. We just never knew how much until it all went down. What the world would be had Eddie lived... life's not fair.
Jimmy Rave - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 04:38:29 EST U1deh3d8 No.6371132 Reply
I don’t normally watch documentaries but the production for this is really solid. Fascinating stuff.
Danny Havoc - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 06:06:03 EST R3W/DL4b No.6371140 Reply
who would have thought that a divorcee knows how to work men into a shoot
Eve - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 06:41:13 EST LUMg+nxK No.6371144 Reply
You should go back to season 1.

The first episode is a god damn banger starting off with the Brody story.
El MurciŽlago - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 08:18:31 EST gvUhJyiH No.6371160 Reply
When David said he wanted to be tag team champions with Daniel, I fucking died.
John Cena - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 08:41:17 EST HHO33vCr No.6371161 Reply
Man that Eddie part really broke me.
Max Moon - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 08:56:33 EST /YsP7rdR No.6371167 Reply
Season 3 totally should have an Axl Rotten/Trent Acid/JC Bailey/general 00s hardcore Indy episode
WhoisThisMark? - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 10:26:46 EST 1n0v78Gs No.6371182 Reply
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If you guys are looking for an incredible detailed and uncovering of the Benoit tragedy such as other texts sent from Chavo saying "I can kayfabe for you", the text arguments between Nancy & Chris about pills, the sloppy police work (that did not recover the journal Chris wrote about Eddie in) and a account from Irwin Muchkin book (that provides an argument that WWE knew the true details of the murders BEFORE airing the tribute show) should listen to The Lapsed Fan

It is a long listen but it is truly worth it. Personally, i love the wild anal probing humour and Lapsed Vince impressions, long-winded jokes and duration of the podcasts, but i understand it isn't for everyone. But it's worth it, they are on their A-game here and the details are horrifying.

> 00:15:50 is where it starts.

> 00:47:40 - 00:51:00 is the background behind the book & Irvin himself

> 00:51:20 - 00:53:40 is why they won’t miss out any details about the murders and

> 00:53:43 is when they start reading the excerpts from Irwin’s book. The neighbour was the first to discover the bodies.

Here's the link bois:
Giant Bernard - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:22:59 EST ylICH3m0 No.6371198 Reply
fuck up asshole
he's providing additional conextual resources for the subject of the doc
WhoisThisMark? - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:45:41 EST 1n0v78Gs No.6371220 Reply
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thank you based bernard

I don't sadly. I understand why you'd want a TLDR version, it is a pretty long ep.

It is not my podcast. I am putting it here because it uncovers more detail about Benoit. Relax.
Big Daddy V - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:50:07 EST XjzLSbOC No.6371227 Reply
Must suck having eyes that far apart.
Eric Young - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:18:14 EST mG/YdI2J No.6371266 Reply
>David look like Chris A LOT
>David somehow creeps me A LOT
>I slept on Nancy's roles - work or shoot (Kimberly still tops my list)
>Kevin was confirmed abusive
>Chris-Eddie's bromance was deeper than I thought
>David sees his dad like Ultimate Warrior's Always Believe while the rest of the world sees the Self Destruction of Warrior
Big Daddy V - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:41:14 EST XjzLSbOC No.6371270 Reply
There is a full Chris Van Fleet interview on youtube with David that I watched this winter that came out. He definetly gives off creepy vibes. He always has a half smile and then WWE banned him from going backstage because he went to an AEW show backstage. They have since lifted that ban but wow WWE lol.
Big Daddy V - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:58:18 EST XjzLSbOC No.6371284 Reply
Yeah that's the one. Creepy interview. Im trying not to think that maybe it's because I see Benoit in him but I think it's the half smile he always has.
Kensuke Sasaki - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 17:07:29 EST 8IsjLKzp No.6371321 Reply
heavy shit damn, legit crying :(
Yoshiko Tamura - Sat, 21 Mar 2020 17:11:17 EST jXqG4Qs2 No.6371323 Reply
Recommend the 'Chris and Nancy' book by Irv Mushnik, very in depth account of the tragedy
The Rock - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:07:31 EST M1KPicfB No.6371518 Reply
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>Chavo talking about how he found Eddie on the floor
Mike Awesome - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:39:13 EST MILqWokm No.6371523 Reply
Thought he was banned for wearing AEW shit backstage at WWE shows. That's kind of a no brainer, or should be.
Tommy Dreamer - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:52:27 EST Detdo/LW No.6371524 Reply
Yeah supposedly it was because he wore the shirt but it's also been reported that he was never banned in the first place and just spread a rumor. Honestly dude doesn't seem right, I wouldn't trust him.
Cyrus - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 19:59:26 EST WO/QnLeN No.6371549 Reply
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Watching Vickie crying breaks my heart, idk how I'm gonna handle Daniel crying in part two.
Brandon Thomaselli - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 20:02:52 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6371551 Reply
Vickie is a legit sweetheart IRL totally opposite of the gimmick, watching this makes me even angrier at WWE trying to blacklist her because she did AEW stuff.
Bob Backlund - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 23:03:42 EST XjzLSbOC No.6371583 Reply
I like hearing Daves history recaps. Its the best thing he does but this doc was clearly involving people super close to eddie and benoit. People who were literally there and saw everything.

Its not like they are interviewing any journalists for this. Its all family,friends, law enforcement
Rico - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 23:26:06 EST eDrZOnwH No.6371593 Reply
Jesus Christ, he's so pathetic. Meltzer thinks he's this super serious pro wrestling journalist and doesn't understand outsiders view him as the National Enquirer or Entertainment Tonight of pro wrestling. Vice wanted to make a serious documentary about Benoit. EVERYTHING Meltzer knows is like 4th hand information. Of course they wouldn't want him in their series. At the end of the day, he's just a gossip columnist (that also thinks he's the Roger Ebert of pro wrestling for some fucking reason).
William Regal - Sun, 22 Mar 2020 23:31:37 EST lnLXMCUp No.6371596 Reply
The funny thing about this is that I'm pretty sure between Bryan and Dave, Bryan was closer to Benoit than Dave, Bryan always talks about how he used to talk to Benoit a lot.
Ricky Steamboat - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 01:05:24 EST SSBWwyU5 No.6371605 Reply
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Really interesting to see a chanposter suggesting Vice is serious journalism in order to own the libs Meltz, as normally chanposters trip over themselves to shit all over it.

Meltzer is, in fact, the best thing wrestling has to actual journalism, and one would think him telling everyone last year's Mania card like 3 months in advance would tip people like you off his information is a little bit better than "fourth hand".

I can also remember so many times his stories would be vindicatied years later when the truth would finally come out. Like, for example, /wooo/, back when it was WWEistan, shat all over anyone who suggested that the Daniel Bryan push that culminated him winning 2 matches at Wrestlemania 30 wasn't all planned from the start. IT WAS A SLOW BURN, WWE ARE GENISUES, YOU ALL GOT WORKED MARKS ad nasisum.

Then both Sheamus and Daniel Bryan said defintively years later during radio intervies that Vince had been insisting on another Sheamus vs Bryan match and the crowd/audience had to force his hand to change when the Batista push bombed...which, guess what, was exactly what Meltzer had reported months out from Mania.

That's just one example amongst dozens. I get why people were on the fence about Dave like a decade ago, but now that we point to specific examples of him being totally right about things and WWE's narrative being clearly revealed as complete spin, I really don't get the anti-Meltzer crowd that insist he can't get anything right.
Hiroshi Tanahashi - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 01:08:19 EST GXHNtkkw No.6371606 Reply
as much as Vice is shit, their wrassle content has been pretty good
you may not have noticed but 420chan tends to lean different than traditional chan values

that's a cool pile of other stuff you bring up but it's not really anything to do with Benoit killing his family and himself
Mil M‡scaras - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 02:36:49 EST AbX0yIeN No.6371613 Reply
>no Alvarez

missed opportunity tbh.
Mil M‡scaras - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 02:45:38 EST AbX0yIeN No.6371615 Reply
>420chan tends to lean different than traditional chan values

tbf all the alt right shit only started to take hold after GG and got into full swing with the 2016 election. Before then, outside of yard/ the place was largely a-political aside from being pro anonymity and personal freedom.

We had edgy jolly african-american and jew jokes, but those were more just for shock value and /wooo/ is full of crass , edgy humor aswell.
Jack Korpela - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 02:53:52 EST 1Thwe0/g No.6371617 Reply
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Can we bring this back on topic?

What else are you guys looking forward to this season? I really want to see New Jack's episode.
Archibald Peck - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 10:19:31 EST jkHcIii8 No.6371637 Reply
I remember when I heard her on Jericho's podcast I was like "wow, I know this show is real serious and all but Nancy's sister's voice is kind of sexy, I bet she's real hot like her"

Bob Backlund - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 12:46:10 EST XjzLSbOC No.6371660 Reply
First sentence of your post made me gag. Im left wing and I still dont suck Meltzers cock like that. Not everything has to be 4chin yard/ ffs.

Dave makes mistakes dude. Its fine. It also makes sense he isnt in this Vice documentary. Youre the characture of a defense force poster to get this defensive over such a small thing. Bringing up wm30 lmao.
Hiroshi Tanahashi - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 17:35:25 EST GXHNtkkw No.6371752 Reply
I love how meltyman defense force still has no argument why the National Enquirer should be included over first party sources
Ron Garvin - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 17:44:02 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6371755 Reply
>muh defense force boogeyman
not everyone who disagrees with your retarded takes is part of a defense force
>no argument
none is needed
Carlos Cabrera - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 17:47:04 EST ZcoAes5B No.6371757 Reply
I love how even when Meltzer is in the wrong his haters still find a way to make themselves the biggest idiots in the room.
Bob Backlund - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 17:55:04 EST XjzLSbOC No.6371760 Reply
Its all so stupid. I dont like meltzer as much anymore because he is getting old and losing his nice smooth touch he used to have. This doesnt mean everything he does and says is wrong. I just domt care for his opinions much anymore and a lot of his fans ate insufferable who treat his dirtsheets as a gospel from the bible.

The truth is that nothing is black and white like that. It should be okay to critisize or disagree with Meltzer without people getting super butthurt about it and personally attacking each other. Then you get the meltzer haters making things worse. Its a stupid cycle that wwe and aew drones do a lot as well.

Hiroshi Tanahashi - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 17:58:25 EST GXHNtkkw No.6371761 Reply
please cite my exact retarded takes to demonstrate how a guy who heard some shit from some people should be included over people who actually had firsthand knowledge of what happened
Candice Michelle - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 22:35:31 EST 5bFvbLsD No.6371834 Reply
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>pretty heavy documentary about a tragic and serious topic
>thread is about Meltzer for the umpteenth time
That said, I've heard Chavo talk about finding Eddie's body a dozen odd times and it still gets me.
Mima Shimoda - Mon, 23 Mar 2020 23:02:39 EST qAkWtYki No.6371841 Reply
I never knew how close Nancy and Vickie were before watching this. Man, those pictures of Daniel and David together were heart breaking.
Lash LeRoux - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 07:07:19 EST H4E2WnIZ No.6371896 Reply
I've read in the past about how David was trying to get training to become a pro wrestler and was openly intending to try and wrestle as (and I'm not QUITE sure about this, but am like 95%) fucking CHRIS BENOIT, JR.! I mean holy fuck kid. I get that you're gonna love your dad no matter what, especially when its obvious that he was a good dude whose fucked up brain damage finally got to him. But you GOTTA realize that there is NO scenario where you have a career as fucking Chris Benoit, Jr. ffs! Hell, you probably would be hard pressed to have a career as just David Benoit. You will NEVER be able to invoke your father's name as part of a pro wrestling career, ever. Unless you intend to wrestle for fucking shameless Carney bingohalls.

I heard all his dad's old friends and shit were really discouraging him from even trying to get into the biz at ALL, much less under THAT ring name. And it seems for the best. Tbh I do kinda get creepy vibes off him. Something about his sunken eyes and yeah that near-permanent half-smile too. Like in this episode, he was talking about Eddie's death and how it affected his dad, all with that half-smile. And I wanna believe it's just the way his natural resting face is...but still. At the same time, in the preview for episode 2 they showed a snippet of him talking about the event and he was unmistakably upset there, NO half-smile at ALL. Tears and everything. But even that made me feel weird.

Man, idk. Guy just has a vibe to him and theres also just something about his face. And it's not just a resemblance to his father, I at least know for sure that isnt what's putting me off.

Anyway, yeah Eddie dying in Chavo's arms is about the most heartbreaking shit on earth. Eddie was the first celebrity death I genuinely cried over. I have no idea why. I mean, I liked him, but I was 10 or 11 at the time and he wasnt one of my most favoritests. I think it was one of those things where you dont realize how much you enjoyed a wrestler or whatever and how entertaining they were for you until they're suddenly gone. Like I said, he wasn't one of the guys I had considered a favorite at the time...but I think I just took his work for granted. Took for granted how amazing his ability to keep me interested in the shows by putting on absolute clinics in the mid-card area and by engaging in super entertaining storylines and promos. I also didn't realize how much of a staple he was in my playings of the WWE games from SmackDown!: Shut Your Mouth through to Smackdown vs Raw (maybe even Smackdown vs Raw 2006, depending on when exactly that one came out). Like in SDvsRaw he was one of my CAW's arch-rivals. I used to fight him a LOT and idk why I picked him as an opponent so much tbh. But that obviously contributed to the respect and admiration for him that I didn't know I had until the Eddie tribute episode of Raw just after he died.

And man, I was NOT expecting it to happen to me - after all, I had read all about his passing the day it happened on the Yahoo News homepage when I logged onto the internet that day - but on that episode of Raw, the second they started giving him that 10-bell salute and the camera showed the crying wrestlers (especially Benoit) AND the crying fans with their signs...man I suddenly broke down and was flooded with so much emotion and realization of how much Eddie Guerrero meant to me. I had no idea. And that's probably part of why it hit me like a sack of damn BRICKS!

Chris Benoit, I had a similar reaction to. But by then I did understand how much Benoit and his work meant to me, so the sadness was less of a shock...but then when the truth came out...it kinda stymied my grieving and turned my crying-tier sadness into just general shock and sadness for the pity of it all. And a few years later (in my hardcore years lol) I felt a lot of resentment for his actions because it directly led to my precious WWE pro wrestling going full-on PG. I STILL hate that they censor direct chair shots to the head in archive footage and put a black and white filter over old matches that got blood. HATE it. I get why you dont do a lot of that stuff now (though I think there's NOTHING wrong with getting some blood when necessary for the drama), but dont fucking revise HISTORY. That's the way pro wrestling WAS. Dont try to erase it and make it all go away. Just like Disney and WB do with their...questionable RACIST old cartoons, just acknowledge your history and show it as it actually was so we can learn from it. Dont just try and brush it under the rug and act like it never happened. Ridiculous.

Anyway, /rant. Lol.
Al Wilson - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:48:12 EST 1Thwe0/g No.6371912 Reply
David lost 3 family members who he loved at a young age by the hands of his own father. The vibes you are getting off of him are because he is carrying around that weight. I do not know the guy but it would not surprise me if he has some severe inner turmoil thats causing him issues to this day. Not only that but his father was in the public eye and its not like he can pick up his stuff and move on somewhere else.

Everyone knows why he can't be Chris Benoit JR but in his mind it is okay and I understand why he thinks that.

He is truly living a rough life and I wish him the best.
Bob Sapp - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 19:39:17 EST NxLYjpUf No.6372096 Reply
Will this get a showing in the tubes?
Madman Buttocks !F612/rL8Ks - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 20:29:18 EST I4WEIqUU No.6372113 Reply
Ep 1 tonight at 11pm EST / 3am GMT after roh and Ep 2 tomorrow at 10:30pm EST / 2:30am GMT

EDIT: im going to live stream tonight and will replay it tomorrow i didn't realize it was parts one and two combined earlier

This post was edited by buttocks on 24-03-2020 20:43:19
Michael Nakazawa - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:19:52 EST T5Ycresu No.6372145 Reply
Jericho is a fucking saint man, he brought David and Nancy's sister back together
The Great Kabuki - Tue, 24 Mar 2020 23:21:49 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372146 Reply
Is this still part 1 playing or is it part 2
Tomoka Nakagawa - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 00:54:54 EST qAkWtYki No.6372165 Reply
I didn't notice in part one but damn, Dean Malenko is fucked up, like he has Parkinson's
The Great Kabuki - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 00:56:47 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372166 Reply
Only person I didnt like was that random author guy.
Michael Nakazawa - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 01:21:45 EST T5Ycresu No.6372171 Reply
I'm very excited for next week's episode on New Jack, probably gonna be hilarious
Vince Russo - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 02:14:13 EST 5tJiAcKO No.6372184 Reply
The Ring of Hell guy? His book's an extremely good read with lots of extra detail, a lot of the stuff in the ep first came to light there, but he has (or had?) a very anti-wrestling stance that made him a controversial figure to discuss back then. It felt like he was outright rooting for the destruction of pro wrestling that Jericho said was so close, though I'd like to think he's calmed down a bit with the changes wrestling's gone through the past 13 years. Vice did well to get a mixture of people from inside and outside the business though, you absolutely have to on shit like this.
Zema Ion - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 02:53:04 EST Sisj5G0M No.6372188 Reply
She's one of the victims that's rarely spoken about career wise. She was such a rad valet. Had a great look and sold the gimmick well, but because of what happened no one will ever bring her or her contribution to the industry up.
Kodama - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 05:18:45 EST GS8nl5ct No.6372208 Reply
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Chavo is such a bro who's been through so much, broke down at this part
Madusa - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 05:35:15 EST pOkvzZO9 No.6372209 Reply
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Can we appreciate the fact of how much of a MVP JeriGOAT is? He really is one of wrestling's greatest treasures
Jamilia Craft - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 06:24:28 EST It2BUKqt No.6372216 Reply
I could probably write a whole post about his career evolution if I put in a load of effort. But it's easier to just say Jericho is a fucking living legend and leave it at that.

Now if he'd only release Strange Kentucky People.
Curry Man - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 06:55:22 EST PG3gwD1S No.6372221 Reply

Was a tough watch but well put together
Firstly, finding out that Eddie dies in Chavos arms was heart wrenching
Secondly I cant imagine what David went through, losing his Dad, Step Mum and Brother all in 1 night and the fact Vince or nobody from WWE (expect chavo and jericho) offered any kind of help or support is so wrong
Lastly Chris Jericho is the GOAT inside and out the ring for everything he has done
Bo Rotundo - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 07:40:11 EST oWLdzxNc No.6372224 Reply
yeah the eddie part was by far the saddest thing there. you really gotta feel for david though like people seem to forget just cause hes the son of chris benoit dont mean hes a bad person or whatever he is just trying his hardest to remember his dad in a positive light it might come off creepy especially when he says stuff like he wants to wrestle as chris benoit jr and stuff. but i think he just really wants people to remember his dad for the best and not for the worst even if that wont ever happen.

also has there ever been any actual full documentation of what chris wrote in his diary to eddie? the nowinski part is interesting as well if you ignore the part where he takes wwe money to keep quiet about his cte studies. who knows what benoit might have said if he actually did get to talk to him. might have cleared up a bunch.
Sabu - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 08:26:11 EST 74S21DJ6 No.6372225 Reply
I do hope in the decades that follow Benoit gets seen in a better light. Yes, what he did was horrendous but as we grow to learn what CTE does to a human brain and the combination of the steroids it was a bomb ready to go off. If someone is deemed mentally insane they aren't necessarily forgiven but their crime(s) are understood.
Lita - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 09:51:09 EST Y2GcuaHY No.6372238 Reply
I've finished watching the Benoit episodes... It broke me.

His tag team match with Angle vs Edge - Mysterio was the one that turned my 8yo ass into a wrestling fan. Nevermind the slowly dawning era of lolwwe, but to this day, it is still one of the greatest match that ever graced Vince's ring, as well as the one that started it all for me.

Chris was the one who supported me - unbeknown to him - through my gradeschool years. If he could persevere through all the shots that landed on his head, so I could through all the bullies. I want to be as strong as him. God knows I want to be a tough as him, at least mentally.

Then middle school years came. I was fell out of wrestling as my life went slightly better. I might not be as passionate as I was once towards it, but I would never forget Chris as my childhood hero.

For four years I was glad I wasn't a wrestling fan. Four years had shielded me from the truth that ruined my childhood idol: Chris Benoit is dead, along with his wife and son, all by his very pair of hands.
The thought that he is now eternally condemned (his legacy is now only acknowledged by NJPW, you're banned from WWE for mentioning him) is terrifying. For some people, it was fate worse than Hell, and I'm not even a religious person.

Sorry for being emotionalfag on a fucking imageboard.
Sean O'Haire - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:10:34 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6372243 Reply
Remember Sullivan saying that the best intergender match he saw was when a guy punched a woman in the face for a quick 3 count?

Really makes you think. And that's no joke, he really said that in a shoot interview.
Sean O'Haire - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:27:42 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6372247 Reply
>Guy just has a vibe to him and theres also just something about his face. And it's not just a resemblance to his father, I at least know for sure that isnt what's putting me off.
It's the half smile.
And the eyes. Or rather, the weird shade around his eyes. He seems to have a natural thousand yard stare.
Dusty Rhodes - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:32:04 EST 5gBRIw0J No.6372251 Reply
After this episode, I think it's safe to say Chris Benoit will never be in the WWE Hall of Fame. We will never see "Woman" in the Hall of Fame just to avoid the connection.

I don't ever want to see chair shots/Diving Headbutts ever again.

The only person who does the Diving Headbutt is Daniel Bryan of all people and I wonder why WWE hasn't banned that move completely.
Natalya - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 10:44:59 EST ZUrtGNGY No.6372255 Reply
>We will never see "Woman" in the Hall of Fame just to avoid the connection.
A (smaller) tragedy in itself.
Sean O'Haire - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 11:04:51 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6372263 Reply
Because Vince is a dumbshit.
He banned piledrivers, but people are allowed to do canadian destroyers.
R-Truth - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 11:25:09 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372264 Reply
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Heyman also looked out for Woman during the ECW years
Magnum T.A. - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:21:46 EST ZcoAes5B No.6372272 Reply
>After this episode, I think it's safe to say Chris Benoit will never be in the WWE Hall of Fame.

Meh, give it ten-twenty years, if WWE is even still around most people will have forgotten by then. Things always smooth over with time.
Shu Shibutani - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:24:14 EST /YsP7rdR No.6372273 Reply
Its gonna sound egdy, but at this point Bryan probably deserves what's coming to him, ruining himself on purpose continually even after all the problems.
Stalker Ichikawa - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:27:18 EST jkHcIii8 No.6372276 Reply
Everybody's worried about Bryan but I think Tomoaki Honma is more likely to enclose dogs in the pool area
Alex Riley - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:27:21 EST dYhrmb6W No.6372277 Reply
>Meh, give it ten-twenty years, if WWE is even still around most people will have forgotten by then. Things always smooth over with time.
The OJ Simpson trial happened 25 years ago this year. People still call him a murderer (even thought he was technically acquitted). Murder usually doesn't "smooth over."
El Hijo del Ice Cream - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:42:00 EST ItDzfamr No.6372283 Reply
Not to mention the nature of the crimes. It's not like Matthew Broderick or Bruce Jenner where they totally killed people but everyone forgot/ignored it because it was somewhat accidental. Benoit (And OJ for that matter) directly killed two people with his bare hands. You don't really forget about that. If he hadn't had killed himself then maybe he spun it in a different direction like OJ did but he didn't so he'll rightfully never be in the hall of fame.
Shuri - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:45:59 EST /XlOXuKm No.6372286 Reply
Except it came out all the stories about Moolah were bullshit and people confused her being a manager (common even for make wrestlers then) as a pimp, and several women from her time periods came out to defend her for fighting to get them booked. But you know, since outrage culture doesn't care about the truth, the whole thing was forgotten about and people still think she ruined women's wrestling
R-Truth - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:48:19 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372287 Reply
> it came out all the stories about Moolah were bullshit
that didn't happen
Mister Toad !SsYwTDHDIY - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:08:36 EST Jxy9DhRY No.6372292 Reply
she's a regular woman in her 40's. don't know what to tell ya, kid.
El Hijo del Ice Cream - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 13:19:45 EST ItDzfamr No.6372294 Reply
Not really, it's literally just he said she said. Plenty of her students came out and backed up the stories about the pimping, the drugging, and the sexual photoshoots. Plenty more said they never happened. I've found in general that the ones making the accusations tend to be her students while the ones defending her were either colleagues or friends so take it for what you will. We'll never know the truth one way or the other so it's on people to decide who to believe.

Given the time period and given wrestling's notorious history for covering for your buddies, I'm inclined to believe the students over her friends.
Vince Russo - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:13:39 EST 5tJiAcKO No.6372309 Reply
Yeah, maybe if you went solely by the Vice ep you'd come away with that impression but it definitely didn't cover all of the accusations. It did about as much as it could I guess, I'm pretty sure Sherri was one of the first people to go public with the pimping story and she's long dead.
The Great Kabuki - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:15:16 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372311 Reply
He's just some jabroni nobody who pretend to be a doctor/wrestler/expert. If youre not going to have Meltzer on the episode than don't have some author of a book who claims "wresling bad". as if Benoit would of done this no matter what because he became a wrestler. Which is one of the worst takes I have ever heard about this situation ever.

It was Benoits choice to abuse steroids and take head bumps his entire career. It was Benoits choice to have his work ethic and never take time off when Eddie died and it was Benoits broken ass CTE/roided out/drunken/abusive husbands brain to kill his wife and child and then himself.

That author is trying to just make a swathing statement like "yeah it was wrestlings fault and Benoit was destined to do this because he became a wrestler"

A lot of wrestlers are dumbasses and yes it was a very unsafe profession to a lot of people but not to everyone. Not everyone took 1000 chair shots to the head. Not everyone roided themselves to the point they were unable to move their arms anymore. Most importantly wrestling has changed drastically in the past 15 years and he still blames wrestling as a whole in the episode.
R-Truth - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:23:00 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372316 Reply
>It was Benoits choice to have his work ethic
I mean... both Benoit and Eddie felt they had to work thru injuries or risk losing their spot. That's what everyone did and still does. The pressure was not entirely self-imposed.

>Most importantly wrestling has changed drastically in the past 15 years
mainly because of the Eddie and Benoit tragedies
The Great Kabuki - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:34:22 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372323 Reply
Those are valid points. I understand how they felt pressure to be huge and never miss a show because of WWE but you can't just blanket statement say "that's just wrestling" hurp.

And yes wrestling has changed because of Benoit and Eddie obviously but that author doesn't seem to acknowledge that because he still just says that Benoits fate was inevitable because he got into pro wrestling as a teenager. Which is clearly wrong because now the entire wrestling industry is filled with people who don't do roids and don't hit each other in the head. So it's clearly not pro wrestlings fault. Pro Wrestling is adaptable and can be so many things. It just so happens that Vince Mcmahons vision was beefy steroid guys in the 80s and in the late 90s everyone wanted to hit each other with chairs. You didn't HAVE to do either.
R-Truth - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 14:39:22 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372324 Reply
wrestling still has a ways to go. how many loopholes are there in the wellness program?
The Great Kabuki - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 15:02:53 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372326 Reply
Another thing I was wondering. I remember watching Benoit in the last few years of his life and noticing that he was wrestling way worse and looked sluggish. His eyes were so beady and empty. I remember saying that to my brother and writing on the caws.ws wrestling board about how I thought Chris Benoit was losing it and we were talking about how it's probably steroids.

Not trying to say "CALLED IT" but it was kind of eye opening when it happened. To be perfectly honest Kurt Angle has those dead eyes nowadays as well. I'm glad he isn't wrestling anymore.

I don't see that in Daniel Bryan or Edge at all. There is like a look to someones eyes when they are CTEd and roided/pain killered to oblivion. Eventually it just makes you a shitty wrestler anyways which is the ironic party.
Billy Gunn - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 15:09:34 EST LFEspp2H No.6372329 Reply
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>the pimping, the drugging, and the sexual photoshoots. Plenty more said they never happened
Yeah, the ugly ones.
Akeem - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 15:16:52 EST 25I2pZmJ No.6372334 Reply
>To be perfectly honest Kurt Angle has those dead eyes nowadays as well.
While I know exactly what you're talking about, he only had those since coming back to WWE where they stopped letting him wrestle regularly.
Vince Russo - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 16:09:30 EST 5tJiAcKO No.6372357 Reply
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He definitely had them in TNA for a time, like in all the infamous gifs, but I get the impression with Kurt that getting off the soma cocktails put him in more pain than ever and he can't shift into Terry Funk mode once the bell rings anymore. The look in his eyes is pain, the best he can do for his body and mind is just not wrestle and hope it's not too late. It's a shame his retirement angle sucked so bad though.
Dude Love - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 16:18:44 EST jEGuiRVR No.6372359 Reply
It's funny you say that because I've seen it in Edge and also Bryan in a few non wrestling videos I've seen on YouTube. There's a video of Bryan eating a super hot chip or something and he gives off a vibe
Alex Riley - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 16:33:03 EST dYhrmb6W No.6372364 Reply
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> he only had those since coming back to WWE where they stopped letting him wrestle regularly.
HA, fuck no. He's looked that way for over 10 years now. It was a meme here for a while (because no one was sure if he was wrestling on pills or he just plain had brain damage).

This pic is from 2007 and he already looks off. There are reasons WWE wanted to FORCE him into rehab in 2006. Trying to claim this is somehow something new because he's depressed or whatever is just flat out wrong.
Alex Riley - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 16:39:51 EST dYhrmb6W No.6372365 Reply
Those two are the main offenders definitely. When they first publicly announced the wellness policy, WWE got all these positive write-ups for finally taking drug abuse seriously. Then as they went along, they made a change here and a change there. The "3 Strikes and You're Out" rule is basically long gone at this point (did anyone ever hit 3 strikes and get fired?)

The three big changes were allowing them to cancel out old policy violations after X amount of years (i.e. so Roman goes from 2 strikes down to 1 strike if need be). Also if someone does hit 3 strikes and have to be fired, there's no rule that WWE can't immediately just re-hire them. The last big change was when they added the rule that only full time roster members were tested (hence why part-timers like Triple H, Goldberg, Cena, probably Orton at this point are never tested).
El Hijo del Ice Cream - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 16:52:25 EST ItDzfamr No.6372372 Reply
I think that was when Bryan was ultra depressed so I give it a pass. He said he was miserable being retired and even more miserable being GM cause it was like a constant reminder of what he couldn't do anymore.
Alex Riley - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 16:52:28 EST dYhrmb6W No.6372373 Reply
I haven't seen anyone mention it yet (unless I just missed it), but there's ALSO a live after show for this now called Dark Side of the Ring: After Dark (like Talking Dead is to Walking Dead).

It's hosted by Chris Gethard, and the first episode has Tommy Dreamer and Chavo Guerrero. Because of the coronavirus outbreak, it's basically just one big Skype interview though.

Hillbilly Jim - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:01:01 EST /7bd4pgx No.6372374 Reply
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After watching this I'm now watching 2004 Raw/Smackdown and Chavo just turned on Eddie and there's a backstage segment where Eddie is crying and covered in blood that really got to me knowing what's going to happen in less than 2 years.
Michael Nakazawa - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:06:58 EST T5Ycresu No.6372375 Reply
I would really like to see Nancy/Woman in the HOF at some point but unfortunately it will never happen. Her contributions don't deserve to be erased.
Lexie Fyfe - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:27:14 EST s2JxQMZc No.6372380 Reply
i cried like 4 times i'm such a bitch

god bless chris jericho and chavo
The Great Kabuki - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:35:28 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372385 Reply
Now that all that Benoit and Eddie shit is out of the way we better get some based New Jack next. I WANNA SEE HEADS ROLL BITCH!
Reckless Youth - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:45:33 EST hiHArrnR No.6372426 Reply

The Owen Hart episode. They got Martha and her kids for that one and I'm very interested in knowing their side of the story.
C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:52:45 EST DMNDjEXn No.6372430 Reply
Reminder we’ll be showing a replay of Part 2 tonight after Dynamite. We’ll try to show it live on Tuesdays at 10 if possible or otherwise show it on a one day delay after Dynamite.
Magnum T.A. - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:27:30 EST ZcoAes5B No.6372439 Reply
I actually really hope they contextualize New Jack's behavior in the general old-school wrestling traditions of "if someone doesn't want to sell, make the fucker sell, if someone wants to shoot on you, shoot the hell out of them". Like make it clear that his behavior isn't unusual in wrestling, it's the brutal honesty that's uncalled for.
Akeem - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 02:46:35 EST 1Thwe0/g No.6372635 Reply
I think they did a good job at covering both sides of the situation but there is no doubt Moolah was carny as fuck. Taking most of the girls money they get from wrestling and also forcing them to live on your compound and having them pay rent on top of taking their wrestling money. All the scenes with Princess Victoria were odd too, at first it seemed that she was against Moolah and said some terrible things about her and then at the end praised her.

Anyone else feel like that interview was super awkward? Chris really tried to get some comic relief in their and Chavo and Tommy were not happy about it.
Chris Hero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 02:56:19 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6372637 Reply
*rehab ON THE ROAD

Moolah doesn't even have to have done anything criminal to have ruined women's wrestling She was a selfish politician who kept herself on top, crushed any opposition to her and kept her Diva SHIT as the blueprint for American women's wrestling for the better part of a century.

The fact that she's a sewage pipe of a human being is just par for her course.
Manami Toyota - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 06:07:30 EST uCKn6zsx No.6372659 Reply
They literally sandwiched Jericho saying "WWE's wellness policy was SO STRICT MAAAN" between Nancy's text to Chris saying it was a joke, and the Ring of Hell author talking about Chris continuing to abuse steroids. Made Jerishill look like a bit of a fucking idiot
Apolo - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 07:11:53 EST 5tJiAcKO No.6372664 Reply
I don't blame Jericho for that because he came back in post-Benoit, when he left the first time there was no wellness policy, so his experience with it was entering WWE during its panic mode ELEVATED LIVER ENZYMES era. As the Ring of Hell guy said, it was the Post-Eddie, Pre-Benoit version of the wellness policy that was easily exploitable and complete horseshit.
Amasis - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 07:29:17 EST jEGuiRVR No.6372665 Reply
Even though Jericho is AEW now I'm sure he's aware of the potential shit storm him coming out and saying 'yeah we were all still juicing after Eddie's death brother' would cause.
Akeem - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:25:45 EST 1Thwe0/g No.6372856 Reply
If I recall he was talking about after Benoit, to show how much that event affected WWE.
Perry Saturn - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:22:43 EST GXHNtkkw No.6372907 Reply
lol it's still and always will be a joke
it's literally more believable that WWE is a legit combat sport than the idea that their drug testing is anything more than a joke
Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:53:05 EST AYqSssJV No.6372944 Reply
that's because he was likely chopping down the pills and snorting it as a cheap/non detectable cocaine substitute.
Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:00:02 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372956 Reply
> he was likely chopping down the pills and snorting it as a cheap/non detectable cocaine substitute
and you're basing this on?
Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:17:29 EST AYqSssJV No.6372981 Reply
Holy shit go outside and interact with people.
How can you be this sheltered?
This is a thing that people do, a lot.
Ive done it myself. And it's 100% what Roman/Eva Marie and all these other wrestlers busted for "Adderall" were doing.
Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:28:49 EST AYqSssJV No.6373000 Reply
The guys who showed me it were rich American preppy douchebag finance business guys. Rich well to do guys who couldn't be caught doing cocaine cos of the drug testing in the companies they work for. Just FYI.
Perry Saturn - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:35:06 EST GXHNtkkw No.6373009 Reply
adderall is basically grody medical meth for people too hoity-toity to just stick to ephedrine anyway
Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:36:23 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6373011 Reply
>Roman Reigns must snort adderall because *I* snort adderall

your logic is starting to make sense.
Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:37:39 EST AYqSssJV No.6373013 Reply
weren't you crying about "obnxious personal attacks" posting earlier?
Another example of your hypocrisy on display to the world.
Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:40:31 EST AYqSssJV No.6373014 Reply
also if you seriously think that is not what he and all wrestlers busted for Aderall are doing, then I am sorry you are such a sheltered baby. Wrestlers do drugs.
Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:42:49 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6373016 Reply

If you don't know simple basic English spelling I can't take your opinion on anything seriously as it is a serious red flag re: intelligence.
Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:44:38 EST AYqSssJV No.6373017 Reply
again with the playground shit
grow up ya massive sheltered baby
Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:47:07 EST AYqSssJV No.6373020 Reply
also I will say this exact thing you are doing here is atypical of the exact type of shitty bad faith false equivalence style posting you love to do. What you are bringing up here is not comparable to leaving 1 letter out of an otherwise spelled correctly word.
Austin Aries - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:48:30 EST XjzLSbOC No.6373022 Reply
Yes. Yes. Feel the anger flow through you. Gooood.
Tony Mamaluke - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:51:48 EST hcUFcp+9 No.6373025 Reply
>gets those weird texts in the early hours of Sunday morning from both Chris and Nancy’s phones
>decides to go back to sleep
>finds out when he wakes up on Sunday that Malenko got them too
>still does nothing
>Benoit no-shows the PPV
>still does nothing
>tells WWE about them on Monday afternoon
What the fuck were Chavo and Malenko thinking?
At the very least you’d have thought they’d have repeatedly tried to call Benoit, but nope, they just sat on those messages for over a day
Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:52:05 EST AYqSssJV No.6373027 Reply
and if you read that you'll see he's trying to misrepresent what was said in the other thread, and make a false equivalence as he is wont to do cos he is a deceptive slimy shitbag.
Read it for yourself don't take his word for it. There is a difference between a simply typo of leaving out 1 letter vs not knowing the difference of your/you're. He wants you to think they are the same thing.
Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:57:40 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6373033 Reply
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>I'm sure you're both fags
getting back on topic...

did anyone else feel like the way everyone described Eddie and Chris' bond was slightly.... repressed and... homoerotic?
Kagetsu - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:59:32 EST iLe2GkB4 No.6373035 Reply
I viewed their relationship more like brothers than whatever fanfiction you wrote about them. You gay, doode.
George The Animal Steele - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:01:25 EST Lh17FxiL No.6373036 Reply
this series is so well done, over the last few days id watched all of season 1 and just yesterday the benoit episodes. I cried a lot watching this, i didnt expect it to hit me so hard. Chavo talking about finding eddie, and also chavo coming on screen to help when David broke down crying. Really Heavy

Afterward we were browsing for something to watch and put on "KILLER INSIDE The Mind of Aaron Hernandez" and it started hitting so many of the same notes as the Benoit story. A pro athlete turned murderer, EXTREME levels of CTE in their brains. Now that i was down this rabbit hole, i watched the Will Smith movie "Concussion" about the man who discovered CTE and its effects. All those football players going off the deep end and killing themselves.

Scary shit. After watching all this it made me wonder about some of the stories in the first season of Dark Side and if CTE played a role. Several of The Von Erichs might have had it, Kerry had talked about "hearing voices" of his brothers before shooting himself in the heart. Suddenly that sounded familiar to other CTE cases.
Perry Saturn - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:02:23 EST GXHNtkkw No.6373037 Reply
there's queering and then there dealing with your needs on the road good brother
Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:02:50 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6373038 Reply
there's other stuff with Benoit tho:
>Paul London retells a story on their Highspots shoot interview where Benoit and Jamie Noble told him that he should have sex with a waitress while they watched from a hotel closet.

Just the descriptions of Benoit suppressing his emotions, Eddie's religion, Benout clutching Eddie's pillow in his bed... it just sounded more intense than brotherly
Shane Storm - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:30:03 EST ItDzfamr No.6373046 Reply
Eddie no, but I could see Benoit having some repressed feelings. I don't know though, I think ultimately the only answer is that Benoit was a very disturbed man with violent tendencies that were only worsened by brain damage. The narrative that "That wasn't the real Chris." has been disproven over and over and I wish they stopped trying to portray him as a saint that just lost his mind. He was a shitty abusive dude that eventually lost his ability to hold himself back. His personality is classic school shooter and he probably had a lot of personality disorders that just never went diagnosed.
Wendi Richter - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:52:37 EST gCBnoiTR No.6373052 Reply
No. Eddie introduced Chris to religion which totally fucked him up. He felt guilty for decades of horrible actions. When Eddie died, he no longer had someone to help him work through his guilt. He felt lost in a sea of guilt he couldn't handle.

Religious dogma killed Chris, Nancy, and Daniel.
Brooke Tessmacher - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:01:11 EST K20kw6yS No.6373054 Reply
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>lost his ability to hold himself back
....there's noooooo holding me baaaaack...
Austin Aries - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:07:05 EST XjzLSbOC No.6373055 Reply
Wait...are we saying Benoit and Eddie slapped their big meaty meat all over each other and cummed in each others buttholes? That's a lot of roided up meat slapping and smacking around in a wet puddle.
Perry Saturn - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 18:15:53 EST GXHNtkkw No.6373058 Reply
> he no longer had someone to help him work through his guilt. He felt lost in a sea of guilt he couldn't handle.
this is about buttsex right
Drew McIntyre - Fri, 27 Mar 2020 00:01:53 EST TvcRms/M No.6373208 Reply

They where on the road together all the time from NJPW to WCW and then WWE. That was a huge gaping hole where Eddie had been. So yeah, its kind of like losing a brother and a spouse at the same time.
Drew McIntyre - Fri, 27 Mar 2020 00:03:10 EST TvcRms/M No.6373209 Reply
Is it me or do wrestlers seem particularly emotional on interviews compared to others?
Necro Butcher - Fri, 27 Mar 2020 00:46:35 EST GXHNtkkw No.6373219 Reply
some are probably relieved to have a chance to vent their feelings
others are probably aware that the marks want some emotion so you turn on the waterworks
RelliK - Fri, 27 Mar 2020 01:45:58 EST oWLdzxNc No.6373225 Reply
in a way i can see what you mean the way they describe the murders and how benoit seemed essentially obsessed with eddie towards the end kinda makes it sound like chris was the type to obsess that can be seen loads in the stories of him punshing himself with squats if he felt a match went bad or whatever. so i could see something like eddie introducing chris to religion and chris becoming a tad bit crazy due to it and without eddie there to tell him its fine or to just chill out or whatever he slowly spiraled this was made worse due to brain damage till one fight pushed him over the edge but upon his realization he decided to punish himself prolly by staying in a house with the people he killed and then by killing himself. the brain stuff did contribute but chris himself also had the personalty and general mental issues to go along with it.
RelliK - Fri, 27 Mar 2020 01:56:59 EST oWLdzxNc No.6373230 Reply
i mean the part where vickie would find chris laying on eddies side of the bed crying was a bit weird but who knows
Jerry Lynn - Fri, 27 Mar 2020 02:17:49 EST Er3OUSzB No.6373234 Reply
That really should have been a warning to her that he was seriously off and needed help
Duke Droese - Fri, 27 Mar 2020 18:49:45 EST 1QO6YsOj No.6373491 Reply
Part 2 was difficult to watch holy shit.
Sgt. Slaughter - Sat, 28 Mar 2020 22:44:59 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6373836 Reply
I finally watched it. Probably the second saddest documentary I have ever watched. Unlike Dear Zachary I knew the story and it still gutted me.

I wish Vice still did good stuff like this often. Man in the mid 2010s they did a lot of neat documentaries before they got super political
Muscle Sakai - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 01:34:54 EST Oo/WSkPo No.6373876 Reply
It's strange. They shifted from interviewing literal Pakistani hitman to boring grievance mongering. I guess the latter is much safer and has higher profit margins.
Jack Evans - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 05:11:05 EST AbX0yIeN No.6373899 Reply
iirc they got bought out by newscorp. If you look into alot of those clickbaitey culture war type sites, they're usually owned by large media conglomerates who want a mouthpiece to spew "safe" left leaning ideology and get ad revenue from youths, without challenging anything that would actually affect their business. Vox, Gawker are the same.
Mark Madden - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 15:20:45 EST dYhrmb6W No.6374036 Reply
>before they got super political
Vice has always been political. Just because the News side of Vice started covering stories you don't want to hear doesn't mean they "got" political.
Brad Armstrong - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 16:00:17 EST 5bFvbLsD No.6374051 Reply
They definitely started covering political topics more. I don't see why that's a sensitive topic for you to get defensive over but most forms of entertainment have gotten more overtly political these past few years. It isn't that controversial of a claim, especially when it does numbers on YouTube.
Sgt. Slaughter - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 16:04:48 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6374055 Reply
The difference is they used to present both sides (Not extremists, but like normal people) and did non-PC shit.

Now it's hyper PC, far left shit that villifies anyone who doesn't represent their views. I mean shit a few years ago Kenny Hotz used to be a huge contributor and he is as anti-PC as you can get.
Rich Swann - Sun, 29 Mar 2020 17:24:50 EST GXHNtkkw No.6374071 Reply
For what it's worth I'm a pissy bitch about Vice because they probably got a bunch of people put in DPRK death camps just to make their "dude juche weed lmao" video

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