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AEW Dynamite: Jericho and Hardy, reunited again

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!BzcOsK03.w - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:50:46 EST SSBWwyU5 No.6372393
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>Watch AEW Dynamite with /wooo/ in /wooo/tube - http://taima.tv/r/wooo and /wooo/alt - http://taima.tv/r/woooalt at 8pm Eastern//Midnight London. A replay of AEW Dark will air at 7pm Eastern//11pm London. On tonight's show:
  • Chris Jericho confronts Matt Hardy.
  • AAA Mega Championship bout: Kenny Omega (c) vs. Sammy Guevara
  • Cody vs. Jimmy Havoc.
  • Kip Sabien vs Darby Allin
With the world in an unpredictable state right now, All Elite Wrestling comes to you once again this Wednesday night with another exciting edition of “Dynamite” on TNT! Hitting the airwaves LIVE at 8pm EST/7PM CST, the athletes of AEW aim to bring to you the unique and exciting in-ring action fans have to come to anticipate with each & every event! Last week's chaos saw the arrival of Matt Hardy to apparently aid The Elite in their eventual Blood & Guts battle with The Inner Circle, and Brodie Lee revealed himself as The Exalted One behind The Dark Order!

This week we've got the AAA Championship match between champion Kenny Omega and challenger Sammy Guevara, and one hell of an interesting singles match-up on tap between Cody and Jimmy Havoc! Plus, for the first time in their mutual history, former AEW World Champion Chris Jericho and “Broken” Matt Hardy (or perhaps it's Damascus as Matt has referred to in tweets and on #FREETHEDELETE (Watch Here) will have an in-ring battle of words.

***RANKINGS AS OF MARCH 18TH***

>HARDY AND JERICHO...
December of 1999 marked the first time Chris Jericho and Matt Hardy competed against one another inside the squared circle. It was just a random handicap tag match in New York City, the three-on-two variety, and it would mark one of barely thirty confrontations over the course of the next decade. Their final meeting was just over a decade ago, a singles match in February 2010 in Memphis, and each man would go their totally separate ways from that point forward.

Their paths have been quite different, each one evolving in drastically different fashions from the other, and expanding their horizons (physical, spiritual, mental, etc) far beyond the original habitat which the two shared. To say they are as far beyond where they started as they are far apart from one another wouldn't do justice to the evolution of either individual.

And yet, in all that time, despite the varied fashions in which they have battled one another, Jericho and Hardy have never found themselves engaged in a head-to-head war of words. Both are quite gifted in that aspect of their game, but Hardy (in his current incarnation) comes at his opponents from a realm far beyond the ken of your average bear. It's metaphorical, psychological, bizarre, and yet still cuts just as deep the very direct insults of Jericho's verbiage. The former World Champ leans towards the very direct, very crass, occasionally juvenile brand of insult, but still has no problem going straight for the jugular when the moment strikes. Pit these two minds against one another this week on “Dynamite”, and see what kind of verbal trauma is unleashed...

>AAA MEGA CAMPEON CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH: (#3) Kenny Omega (c) vs. Sammy Guevara
It has been over 150 days since Kenny defeated Rey Fenix at “Heroes Immortales XIII” in Veracruz, Mexico, and in that time he has successfully defended the championship on two occasions. One against Dragon Lee at “Triplemania Regia” in December, and the other. a few weeks prior against Jack Evans on an episode of “AEW Dark” from Indianapolis.

But this 3rd defense will mark the first time Omega has defended his championship on “Dynamite”, and the first time a non-AEW Title is defended on an event since “All Out” when the AAA Tag Titles were defended in La Escalera de la Muerte between The Young Bucks and The Lucha Bros. This is a history-making contest going down on “Dynamite” this week, and who better to be involved than Kenny Omega. A week ago, his Elite brethren said they were in need of the version of Kenny worthy of being dubbed “The Best Bout Machine” and “The Best Wrestler In The World”, and this match will be the chance to show them just how strong that Omega lives inside the heart of the man.

But, it's also the perfect spotlight for “The Spanish God” Sammy Guevara to showcase what he has inside. The talent is clearly there, after all Chris Jericho isn't going to waste his time recruiting someone without top shelf skill into The Inner Circle, and he has the quality of wins against men like Christopher Daniels and Dustin Rhodes to back it up (nevermind how he may have gotten there). He also has some AAA experience of his own, last competing there in August of 2019 on the same “Triplemania XXVII” card where The Young Bucks & Cody were defeated by The Lucha Bros & Laredo Kid. But here in AEW, this opportunity is undoubtedly the biggest one Sammy has experienced. That is not short-changing the two matches mentioned above, nor the ones opposite Darby Allin, Jon Moxley, or his failed bid at capturing the World Tag Team Titles from SCU with Chris Jericho. Rather this chance is one all his own, his first crack at a singles title since coming to AEW, and in the Mega Campeon Title, one with a strong lineage that includes Rey Fenix and Dr. Wagner Jr. in its history.

Oh, and one last thing to keep in mind when watching this match; the shadow of Blood & Guts looms strongly over this one, just as it will any time a member of The Elite and The Inner Circle square off until the day inevitably comes that they are all locked inside that massive steel structure.

>ONE-ON-ONE: (#4) Cody vs. Jimmy Havoc
Undefeated in 2020, wins in four out of his last five matches, and one of the most intimidating presences on the AEW roster. One would think that Cody was the competitor being described here, but it is in fact Jimmy Havoc carrying those impressive statistics into this Wednesday night's edition of “Dynamite”.

That being said, Cody only carries two blemishes on his 2020 record and the lone singles defeat comes from the battle against MJF at the “Revolution” PPV event. He was taken to the limit, but won, against Darby Allin, survived a Cage Match against “The War Dog” Wardlow, and Cody even survived the ten brutal lashings from Max. He has been pushed to his physical and emotional limits already in 2020, just shy of four months into the year, but has persevered in the face of it all.

Yet he still has not seen anything like Jimmy Havoc.

Well, that's not entirely true, three years ago they did compete against one another in a singles bout in Georgia, but both have grown so much in the time since that April 2017 evening. Unfortunately for Cody, much of Jimmy's growth has been of a rather violent, sadistic bent, and many a man in AEW has experienced that firsthand. Still, blood and guts is only a part of what Havoc brings to the table. He has demonstrated on numerous occasions throughout his career as equally capable of grappling and chain wrestling as he is wrapping a chain around his fist to punch a face.

Havoc brings something to the table much harder to predict than possibly any opponent Cody has faced in AEW, and in the rather unpredictable situation that Wednesday nights have become, Havoc may be the one best suited to thrive.

This post was edited by Celt on 25-03-2020 17:57:04
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Celt !BzcOsK03.w - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:52:35 EST SSBWwyU5 No.6372395 Reply
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>SINGLES MATCH: Kip Sabian vs. Darby Allin
Two men who have been labeled as the future of professional wrestling, yet two men who could not be more different on every level save their desires to be the best at what they do (even if sometimes what they do is not very nice). Sabian definitely ticks all the boxes: stylish, attractive, beautiful girl on his arm, damn good at his chosen profession, he knows it, and intends to make sure everyone else knows it too. Not bad things necessarily, but the arrogance that comes with the Sabian/Penelope Ford package, the sense of entitlement, the willingness to bend (or break) the rules at leisure, those are the things that can make even the most talented individuals in the world utterly insufferable.

Darby Allin, on the other hand, is someone who has proven, since even before he set foot in the ring, that he's willing to grind it out to accomplish his goals. He's been homeless, he's done the monotonous hours of driving for little-to-no money while cutting his teeth, he's suffered career threatening injuries during the evolution of his career, yet has stood in face of that opposition and said “more”. No matter the bump or bruise, whatever the hurdle of life, Darby has remained, as his tattoo says, relentless, and his career thus far in AEW is testament to that. He was the man who stood up when Jon Moxley demanded a fight. He was the one who took Cody to a time limit draw the first time out, and then pushed “The American Nightmare” to his limits in the rematch. Several weeks ago, just days removed from “Revolution”, he even fought Sammy Guevara and Chris Jericho BY HIMSELF, after The Inner Circle assaulted Moxley to remove from the match.

Do any of these things sound like something Kip Sabian would step up to, much less ask for himself? Does he have the inner reserves of Darby to fight every second as if life depended on it? Fans will find out this week on “Dynamite” when Sabian takes on Darby in their very first televised singles match! During the Jericho Cruise back in January, the two competitors had a match only witnessed by the fans on the ship, and that ended in a victory for Darby. But this one carries the weight of live TV and getting witnessed worldwide, and, most importantly, of being reflected in the AEW record books.

Who will step up to the challenge in that contest? And what will happen with Jericho and Hardy in the ring together? Can Guevara ascend to that next level, or will The Best Bout Machine rear its head for this AAA Mega Campeon title bout? Will it be Havoc or Cody who has their hand raised in that singles contest? All this and more comes to our fans this Wednesday night on “AEW Dynamite”, dropping on your television screens at 8pm EST/7pm CST!
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Sumie Sakai - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:00:07 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6372398 Reply
Man I really hope they film some shit and stop trying to go live. I am already bummed they had to push B&G and create this weird continuity, but it's getting harder to watch these guys fly around and interact like this each week,

A guy in my town who just won a 5k in January and is pretty fit and otherwise healthy (that we know of) is now in the ICU cause of corona, and he is only 53.
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Ashley Cartier - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:06:23 EST z+c6DKUE No.6372404 Reply
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>>6372398
Tony Khan refuses to do so despite having access to the Khanpound to do so. It's not like that arena has anything else on for the next few weeks or more.

I suppose the only thing that will get him to change his mind is if a similar order Orlando has ends up happening in Jacksonville, to shelter in place.
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Michael Nakazawa - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:07:47 EST T5Ycresu No.6372405 Reply
they really should be taping Dynamite for the foreseeable future
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Rodney Mack - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:10:33 EST Pf4frE/Z No.6372408 Reply
> CODY RHODES vs Jimmy Havoc
> OMEGA vs Sammy G.
two popular faces and two popular heels

idgaf im hype. lets get this party started
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Becky Bayless - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:12:35 EST q8zMvmTB No.6372411 Reply
>>6372405
Why? Its not necessary for the safety of the wrestlers as long as they keep a small number of people around at the same time and they take the proper precautions
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Sumie Sakai - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:15:25 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6372415 Reply
>>6372411
I'd argue that with each week your chance of exposure increases, but either way its getting harder and harder to go out. Right now I'm only allowed out of my house for food or work.
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R-Truth - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:17:36 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372416 Reply
>>6372411
Orlando is going into shelter-in-place on Thursday night at 11pm meaning WWE cannot film there anymore.

It's only a matter of time until Jacksonville does the same and then AEW is shit out of luck on filming locations .... unless they go to DDP's yoga studio where they film are the Control Center segments for Dark.
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Michael Nakazawa - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 18:17:46 EST T5Ycresu No.6372417 Reply
>>6372411
Why, because any day now the government could shut the arena down and then they will be shit outta luck. It would be wise of them to tape as much television as possible so even when the inevitable occurs, they are prepared.
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Hillbilly Jim - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:22:56 EST /7bd4pgx No.6372435 Reply
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Why are they so perfect?
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Matt Bentley - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:25:54 EST /27lUzXP No.6372437 Reply
>Kenny vs Sammy
fuckin sick

>a Havok match
not fuckin sick
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R-Truth - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:45:07 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372444 Reply
>Tony Khan is doing commentary

uh...
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Sumie Sakai - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:59:38 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6372447 Reply
>>6372444
Probably couldn't get anyone else out. Won't stop Stamford wives from seething
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Austin Aries - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:06:52 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372454 Reply
Holy shit jimmy havoc go back to MLW.
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Mark Jindrak - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:07:33 EST T5Ycresu No.6372455 Reply
>no wrestlers in the crowd this week

:(
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Pacman Jones - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:14:48 EST /7bd4pgx No.6372463 Reply
>>6372461

They should have made him the leader of the Dark Order and then had them all fuck off to AEW Dark forever
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Additional_Armies !G5HwlahLM2 - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:15:20 EST YILbGvXF No.6372464 Reply
>>6372461
maybe he requires a staplegun in his hand in order to breathe
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Ortvatistadon - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:23:02 EST qAkWtYki No.6372471 Reply
FYI, the guy next to Billy is his son Austin.
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Al Wilson - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:25:40 EST jKS+xfSp No.6372474 Reply
>>6372468
You said popular heel. You are wrong. That match also wasnt anything special. I think some people would say, because of havoc, it sucked
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Bushwhacker Butch - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:41:21 EST Ybchf0OF No.6372479 Reply
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>Darby Allin's Figure 4 is called the Last Supper

Not really doing it for me. Granted I can't come up with a better name.
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Leia Meow - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:48:59 EST q8zMvmTB No.6372480 Reply
this episode feels really low energy in the worst way possible
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Mark Jindrak - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:54:01 EST T5Ycresu No.6372482 Reply
If Moxley can pull a good match out of Hager then god bless him
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Mark Jindrak - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:57:46 EST T5Ycresu No.6372487 Reply
>Brodie's gimmick is that he's literally Vince

I love it
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Jimmy Uso - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:59:42 EST ZcoAes5B No.6372490 Reply
Honestly if they keep the idea of Brodie being a Vince McMahon parody subtle, it's going to be absolute gold. But the key word here is SUBTLE. Don't wink at the camera, don't pause for laughs, make it very clear that Vince's mannerisms are being recontextualized as a deranged cult leader.
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Joel Gertner - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 20:59:49 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6372491 Reply
I will thank AEW for trying but this is really fucking rough which is what I was afraid of. They should have taped a few weeks of filler content last week
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Dolph Ziggler - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:00:54 EST HHO33vCr No.6372493 Reply
Brodie is literally just doing a Vince gimmick.
>Vince loves steak
>hates sneezing
>hates people eating infront of him
>runs a cult (wwe cult)
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Byron Saxton - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:01:34 EST It2BUKqt No.6372494 Reply
That shout-out to Bray, tho'.
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Bushwhacker Butch - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:02:27 EST Ybchf0OF No.6372495 Reply
>Sister Abagail setup into a rip cord discus clothesline

Stick with the Black Hole Slam.
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Jimmy Uso - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:03:46 EST ZcoAes5B No.6372496 Reply
>>6372491
I'm beginning to wonder if TNT is demanding AEW go live as much as possible. They're a competent company, presumably they understand that this isn't ideal and the future doesn't look bright for the next few weeks.
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Joel Gertner - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:05:37 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6372498 Reply
>>6372496
Wouldn't surprise me since when they taped the cruise people spammed the spoilers everywhere. My >circlejerk using friend got them PMed to him after he posted in an AEW thread.
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Mister ZERO - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:05:49 EST b+XaUP6N No.6372499 Reply
so is the dark order like the dark brotherhood from Skyrim or what
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Reckless Youth - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:06:10 EST /27lUzXP No.6372500 Reply
dark order is saved. I love it.
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Byron Saxton - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:09:14 EST It2BUKqt No.6372502 Reply
>>6372498
The cruise was attended by fans, though. I don't think AEW employees would leak spoilers themselves.
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Austin Aries - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:09:52 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372503 Reply
Evil Uno was always good. Assholes... ;( ;(

Im thinking Cody is terrible on commentary. No energy. Besides that the show is fine-good.
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Cibernético - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:17:49 EST bWZ+YR1t No.6372511 Reply
A Mega Campeonato match...and it's on a show with no fans? lol
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Perry Saturn - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:20:30 EST GXHNtkkw No.6372513 Reply
>>6372511
megachampionship defenses AND a crowd was waaaaaaaaaaaay too much for the system resources
this many defenses is already over-stressing the universe as it is
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Austin Aries - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:33:19 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372524 Reply
2nd hour has been way way better. Codt sucks on commentary still but meh
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Austin Aries - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:42:12 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372530 Reply
Kenny no selling the burning hammer with a knee to the head wtf
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Mister ZERO - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:44:47 EST b+XaUP6N No.6372532 Reply
what the fuck burning hammer knee
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Yoshiko Tamura - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:48:41 EST Sisj5G0M No.6372537 Reply
He's cutting a promo on a drone.
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Matt Bentley - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:51:09 EST rWWSIM8P No.6372542 Reply
>NOOOOO, YOU CAN'T JUST FLY YOUR DRONE OVER ME WHILE I'M CUTTING A PROMO

>haha, vanguard 1 go brrrrrrrr
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Jimmy Uso - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:51:17 EST ZcoAes5B No.6372543 Reply
what the fuck

this show just went from 0 to 60
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Pacman Jones - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:52:19 EST /7bd4pgx No.6372544 Reply
Matt Hardy learned instant transmission
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Austin Aries - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:52:27 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372545 Reply
What the fuck lmao. Based impact
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Bushwhacker Butch - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:54:37 EST Ybchf0OF No.6372547 Reply
The capital of Syria inhabits Matt Hardy?
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Razor Ramon HG - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 21:54:39 EST Ew/LqgU0 No.6372548 Reply
Surprised he didn't call the Inner Circle "the circle of inner"
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Reckless Youth - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:01:23 EST /27lUzXP No.6372554 Reply
that was fucking absurd. 10/10
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Petey Williams - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:02:52 EST biZclbci No.6372556 Reply
>>6372550
Vince McMahon detected. Fuck off back to pre recording your Mania in your basement
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British Bulldog - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:02:55 EST ic8rhV1A No.6372557 Reply
Kenny Omega botches again.

Highlight of the night? Tony Schiavone being the lead commentator once again.
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Conor O'Brian - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:03:13 EST JOqmbXe0 No.6372558 Reply
Vince will try to top that by booking Goldberg to be the Prophet Muhammed.
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Amasis - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:04:51 EST jEGuiRVR No.6372560 Reply
Jericho addressing the drone as Guard popped me huge brother
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Leia Meow - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:12:04 EST q8zMvmTB No.6372565 Reply
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>>6372559
Anything that goes beyond putting a guy in front of a greenscreen with no editing whatsoever for 2 minutes does not meet the criteria for being "same as WWE", im sorry
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Mark Jindrak - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:16:14 EST T5Ycresu No.6372567 Reply
some people just don't like fun
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Jessica Love - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:29:43 EST Ke6fTTYX No.6372574 Reply
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>>6372567
>"this person finds this goofy thing dumb he must hate fun"
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Krazy K - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:30:41 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372575 Reply
>>6372567
I loved the Broken Universe, that was closer to the WWE stuff with Wyatt

>>6372565
That was as corny as when Vince tries to stage a dramatic play in the ring. Jericho shit talking Vanguard was funny but the stuff with Matt did not work in my head. The strength of the Broken Universe is in the pre tapes. The Damascus stuff was dumb, it was playing to what worked in 2016. Sometimes people strike out
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Krazy K - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:33:48 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372578 Reply
>>6372575
Kenny was bad on commentary during it too. I just don't think it worked and was as clunky as the Gronk segment on smackdown. It sounded too scripted and the dialogue was weak. And the lack of audience drew attention to the awkwardness of it.

And I feel like people are going to be afraid to criticize it because it was too much like a badly done WWE segment
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The Miz - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:35:00 EST QQesQNiH No.6372579 Reply
Fun show. You can tell Kenny is still hurting a bit from his match
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Alere Little Feather - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:40:30 EST x2yu9nV0 No.6372582 Reply
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YO MATT HARDY HAS STAND POWER
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Sting - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 22:54:24 EST jkHcIii8 No.6372584 Reply
>>6372582
AEW is full unapologetic nerdshit so fuck it, someone should introduce Matt to JoJo's. I think it would add something to the gimmick
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Austin Aries - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:01:42 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372586 Reply
Didn't get WWE vibes at all from that last segment. WWE trying to do the segment would be endlessly worse. Just plain as that.

Anyways it was fun weirdness and Brodie Lee rules. Jake The Snake fucking rules. Matt Hardy is absurd but I'm okay with absurd because wrestling IS absurd and I wish people would stop thinking that if wrestling pretended to be super serious MMA more people would watch it. Casuals don't watch wrestling to pretend they are watching MMA.
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Krazy K - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:12:35 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372589 Reply
>>6372586
>I wish people would stop thinking that if wrestling pretended to be super serious MMA more people would watch it.
No one is saying it had to be one extreme or other but also: Goldberg has been the biggest needle mover for a wrestling show in 2020
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Egotistico Fantastico - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:22:01 EST 9eA3Xp3/ No.6372590 Reply
i can't belive that Abraham Lincoln and MLK are AEW Chads
Damn
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Jessica Love - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:24:43 EST Ke6fTTYX No.6372592 Reply
>>6372586
More people definitely would watch, especially if it's an alternative to WWE, if it was actually grounded to some reasonable degree all around like the main event stuff and nothing like that goofy teleportation shit.
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Wahoo McDaniel - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:29:53 EST VgX129L2 No.6372595 Reply
>>6372559

If it was WWE, they would have Micheal Cole and Graves on commentary laughing and burying it
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Austin Aries - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:33:10 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372597 Reply
>>6372592
based on what? Your opinion of wrestling? Or Dave Meltzers? Or Jim Cornette?
Hulk, Hogan, The Rock and Stone Cold all want to talk to you.
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Layla - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:42:10 EST NQLCELKx No.6372601 Reply
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>>6372561
Kenny Omega called it "Psycho Power" to reference Street Fighter (M. Bison's source of power) and Tony thought he was being serious was funnier than it should've been. Mainly because it was so absurd sounding that it sounded like it would fit with Matt's gimmick to be the explanation as to why.
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Perry Saturn - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:45:59 EST GXHNtkkw No.6372604 Reply
>>6372601
I'm totally okay with Matt absconding with various preexisting fictional powers
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Fire Ant - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:50:52 EST Pf4frE/Z No.6372606 Reply
>>6372474
popular in the sense a lot of people recognize his name

I haven't even ever watched him perform or appear ever before and I know him by name
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Austin Aries - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:50:57 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372607 Reply
The whole thing with Broken Matt is that it's going to be ridiculous. It worked great in Impact. I think it will work in AEW but I doubt he will be some main eventer or something. He's going to have a Chris Jericho feud and have a place where he can have his weird vignettes. I think he should feud with the Dark Order or Lance Archer because they can have some really weird ass video packages and fun crazy shit.
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Jessica Love - Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:55:16 EST Ke6fTTYX No.6372610 Reply
>>6372597
>muh meltz/corny
You're welcome to lie to me about the main event stuff that has proven to draw for Dynamite like pretty much anything Jericho does.
Also there's nothing that absurd about the Rock what are you smoking
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Austin Aries - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 00:21:11 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372616 Reply
>>6372610
Well the line between Broken Matt Hardy and serious fake MMA is huge to be fair. I just don't think that the masses will swarm to watch wrestling if it was presented as some super serious spot. That usually turns people off from what I've seen.
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Jessica Love - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 00:23:39 EST Ke6fTTYX No.6372618 Reply
>>6372614
Goldberg ain't doing badly edited teleportation we're supposed to pretend is legit happening. He's at actually believable.
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The Miz - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 00:35:59 EST QQesQNiH No.6372621 Reply
>>6372594
Screenshotted mine about 30 mins after AEW aired, bottom places obviously changed in that time but the rest were all the same
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AshJoshiFan - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 00:57:55 EST JLUGd8LZ No.6372624 Reply
I like that AEW is doing weird shit and getting behind it DDT Pro style. If you're gonna do weird stuff. GO FULL WEIRD with the entire team behind it. Don't have the commentary bury it like Michael Cole/Corey Graves do every week with their own segments.

I love this kind of stuff in wrestling. This is what I show my friends, not the serious shit. Casuals don't wanna see Cody crying in a promo pretending wrestling is real, they wanna see Orange Cassidy not giving a damn, magical powers, milk, Stone Cold fighting in a supermarket, sexy Sammy G singing karaoke, jericho talking to a drone!

I'm hoping we'll see Ibushi and his fireworks show one day
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Austin Aries - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 01:13:49 EST XjzLSbOC No.6372625 Reply
>>6372624
This is what I am saying. The weird shit often hooks them and then when they see a really crazy good match they can USUALLY appreciate it. Just because I have been watching wrestling for 20+ years doesn't mean everyone else has. They don't understand why a good dropkick and a bad dropkick look like. When I watched ALL OUT and Double Or Nothing live with all my friends they loved Orange Cassidy but then it got them hyped for the rest of the show and I slowly let them know why things happen and rules and point out what a botch is or why one guys move looked good.

Now they can watch a New Japan match and enjoy it but a year ago I showed them New Japan stuff and theyd turn it off or get bored.

People CAN love wrestling but America has been fed such garbage wrestling for decades now that it needs to rebuild and hook them in with something like Matt Hardy, Orange Cassidy or a crazy spot. Then you slowly teach them to care about a long well done match. WWE has been doing goofy shit for 20 years but the problem is that they did an awful job at it and turned away millions of fans and casuals.
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Chris Hero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 02:41:14 EST ecMNnQg1 No.6372634 Reply
>>6372624
This is obviously not happening anytime soon, but AEW doing their own take on the Hardcore Championship would be perfect.
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Ricardo Rodriguez - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 04:03:13 EST Vze7K07h No.6372645 Reply
I know a ton of people liked it, but this direction for Brodie Lee bums me the fuck out. People were arguing last week that AEW is entirely it's own thing, they don't rely on the past of WWE or referencing them, etc. Tonight clearly blew that idea out of the water. I'm a huge fan of Brodie and this tongue in cheek shit would have been better served with Matt as the leader of the Dark Order, or something else. I do like some of the wacky shit and all Jericho was GREAT as always but Matt talked too much with no direction) but I would have liked to see Brodie be a serious deadly character, maybe in Archer's role even instead of as a surrogate for Vince jokes every week.

I'm definitely not *mad* about them poking fun at WWE because fuck them, it's just that when I watch AEW it's because the last thing in the world I want to think about is WWE. At all. Console Wars: The Show sucks, even for a few minutes. I really am not looking forward to any pissing contests that end up like Nacho Man/Huckster or some dumb Virgil/Vincent shit.
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P.N. News - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 04:40:33 EST v+E41uU7 No.6372650 Reply
Sounds like I picked a good night to watch tonight's show.

Was Kenny/Sammy good?
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Leia Meow - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 06:32:30 EST q8zMvmTB No.6372662 Reply
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>>6372650
it was indeed very good, the one thing in this show that delivered through and through with no asterisks attached to it imo

i really did not like this whole show tbh, reminds me of the first weeks back when they didn't have the self awareness they've been showing later
2 squash matches, a really bad match and one that is just okay but that went for way longer than it needed, neither of which served to advance any storyline. at least we had Kenny vs Guevara.
the Brodie Lee segment was fun and out of context it still works, but i hoped that AEW was over their awkward phase of poking fun at WWE whenever they can, so basing a whole, supposedly serious gimmick about it... eh
i liked the Jericho/Damascus confrontation, but what the fuck was that teleportation edit? did they really look at it and thought it was good enough for tv? i'm still on board with the gimmick for a lot of reasons but i can see why many people new to it would not be left with a good impression looking at that
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Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:22:28 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372685 Reply
>>6372619
one botched attempt at a famous and effective finisher is not the same thing as awkwardly edited teleportation magic.

It didn't make sense: if Jericho *just watched* Matt teleport all over the arena, why was he telling him that he was crazy and it was all inside his head? It's just as clunky as when WWE calls Undertake "Mark Callaway" but then also wants you to believe he can summon lightning.
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Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 09:29:54 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372687 Reply
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https://twitter.com/voiceswrestling/status/1243037135709618176

It's very funny that VoicesOfWrestling get called AEW dick-riders and then as soon as they criticize the Matt Hardy segment, their replies are a shitshow of diehard fans. Including Janela comparing them to Cornette?

Jericho was great in that segment and it made me appreciate his skills as an actor on another level but I think that segment was a misfire. People on this board were clamoring for Hardy Compound segments and with the quarantine situation, they had the perfect excuse to pre tape as much Broken stuff as they wanted (they're already doing it with Darby and Lance & Jake!).
Sending Matt out there for 10 minutes with a live mic was... a misfire. He's not a good actor; that's why Broken Matt is charming. But having him cut a promo for 10 minutes *without* editing or music or cutaways or Jeff accentuated the negatives and downplayed the positives.
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Joel Gertner - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 10:12:13 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6372701 Reply
>>6372639
That wasn't nearly as bad as people made it out to be. A bit weird/cringy but people were acting like it was the worst fucking segment of all time. Jesus Christ on high why does anything AEW does have to be so fucking polarizing
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Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 10:21:35 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372704 Reply
>>6372697
His GCW/Spring Break stuff was genuinely fun! But a few things happened:

-IMO his AEW run is a dropped ball; I don't think they get what made him work and have not downplayed his weakness and accentuated his positives. They've done a good job building up Hangman, MJF, Darby and Orange Cassidy but Janela has slipped into the other bucket of indie guys who are just... there. It comes off like NXT-hoarding where they wanted him just to have him with no idea what to do with him.
-His work has definitely deteriorated after he blew out his knee but even before that he was starting to get flabbier because he was destroying his back taking meaningless bumps in nothing matches
-Cornette (rightly) called him out on taking stupid bumps and it seems like the "Jelly Janela" thing has actually gotten stuck in his head. And now he's doing the Joey Ryan thing of trying to cater to an extremely niche diehard smark fanbase with goofy spots so he can have GIFs and dunk on Cornette
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Arn Anderson - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 10:24:19 EST VbwA2ibK No.6372705 Reply
lmao this show was fucking garbage.
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Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 10:25:24 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372706 Reply
>>6372701
If AEW wants to launch a marketing campaign around how they're the alternative for wrestling fans who are tired of being talked down to by frustrating LOLWWE bullshit and they have a years-long internet show that constantly pokes fun at bad WWE gimmicks, it's not a good look to then present a segment that reminds people of frustrating LOLWWE bullshit. (shrugs)

When you set expectations high, it stings harder when you miss.
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Joel Gertner - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 10:31:41 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6372709 Reply
>>6372706
I mean most people online are claiming its literally over for AEW and because they had one bad show with a bad segment they should literally close their doors and beg Vince to put them in the Andre Battle Royal.

It's not like AEW isn't willing to change what isn't working. If the consensus really is that bad they can claim that Hardy set up projectors in the (empty) arena to give the illusion of teleportation to fuck with Jericho. The Pyro can just be he paid someone off to do it/had it set up remotely.
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Egotistico Fantastico - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 10:33:03 EST 9eA3Xp3/ No.6372710 Reply
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>mfw im a Impact fan
>mfw im havin fun with all this
Lmao you people are too dramatic, chill out and have some fun
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Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 10:42:26 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372712 Reply
>>6372709
>I mean most people online are claiming its literally over for AEW and because they had one bad show with a bad segment they should literally close their doors and beg Vince to put them in the Andre Battle Royal.

Can you link to one example of this kind of comment? I think you're exaggerating.

Most of the criticism is from AEW fans (like VOW) just being honest that they didn't think it worked and being swarmed with strawmen fallacies

>>6372710
I like the Undead Realm stuff too BUT -- they only do those pre taped w editing on the weekly shows, those segments are usually shorter too. It's also not the main event and when they do get in the ring, it's for an actual match like the Monster's Ball at Slammiversary 2019.

The one time they tried to air an Undead Realm segment in front of a live audience -- at BFG 2018 -- the NYC crowd shit all over it.
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Sycho Sid - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:34:17 EST puVFimgo No.6372730 Reply
>>6372710
That's the thing, it was something that would be fucking awesome on Impact but here it was just embarrassing. Time and place.
If we're using television as a metaphor, it would be like if Walt suddenly used dragons to kill people in Breaking Bad, because that worked for Game of Thrones.
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Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:50:17 EST AYqSssJV No.6372741 Reply
>>6372736
Don't know how you got "he'll be on commentary" from that Tweet but okay......
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Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:52:45 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372744 Reply
>>6372741
saw earlier on twitter that "cody and tony will be doing commentary" nbd
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Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 12:32:32 EST AYqSssJV No.6372760 Reply
lol the cameraman singing Judas
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The Dog - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 12:44:04 EST NFFSlLHU No.6372763 Reply
>>6372687
>Lucha Underground lost me
Wow, what fucking shit taste. The Fiend was good but has suffered WWE booking. Broken Matt is fine. You can still criticise wrestling if the fun shit isn't fun Joey.
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Matt Morgan - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 12:58:53 EST pfS4ca5c No.6372768 Reply
>>6372767
>>6372763
I think he means to say The Friend character is good but WWE fucked it up fast. If Bray was in Impact with that character, it would be the hottest thing in wrestling instead of looking like a sitcom cutaway.
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Hector Guerrero - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:06:58 EST AYqSssJV No.6372770 Reply
>>6372744
You'll never miss a chance to try to get a dunk in on AEW eh ?
Regardless of whether it's actually true or not.
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P.N. News - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 14:27:48 EST v+E41uU7 No.6372859 Reply
>>6372710
Just because it works for an indy doesn't mean a nationally televised show on TNT should or can go for it, too.
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AshJoshiFan - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:04:32 EST JLUGd8LZ No.6372892 Reply
Gotta love the replies

Hardcore rasslin nerds: IT SUCKED, IT WAS EMBARRASING, WHERE'S MY *fake* SPORT!! NO MORE CORNY SHIT

Casuals: Lmao did you see the guy teleporting and Jericho talking to a drone?
*People who've never seen wrestling sharing the video around*

Pretty much like the angry boomer vs nordic gamer meme everyone uses now.

Some of you guys take wrestling way too serious.
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Krazy K - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:08:28 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6372895 Reply
>>6372892
>Hardcore rasslin nerds: IT SUCKED, IT WAS EMBARRASING, WHERE'S MY *fake* SPORT!! NO MORE CORNY SHIT
who are you quoting?

>People who've never seen wrestling sharing the video around
If it was that easy to convert them into paying fans, Joey Ryan would be a draw
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Don West - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:30:50 EST x5DI6Fq8 No.6372919 Reply
Matt teleporting was gold. Hope he does more shit like it.
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Dale Torborg - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 15:46:16 EST CR6zktB8 No.6372935 Reply
>>6372895
Well Joey did have people pay to touch his junk during Mania weekend
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Dale Torborg - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:03:01 EST CR6zktB8 No.6372960 Reply
>>6372943
This. And it was more than 0
Besides, the "King of dong style" gimmick has gotten Ryan bookings all over the US Indies, a spot in DDT so it has proven to be better for him than most of his previous work
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AshJoshiFan - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:53:06 EST JLUGd8LZ No.6373029 Reply
>>6372960

This^

He could still be doing super well in DDT. Those guys do butt and dick jokes all da and they have a spot on TV, and they're owned by a big japanese company.

But Joey decided to run his bar wrestling shows in the US instead. Home sickness is a thing, plus, he's a married man.
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Tanny Mouse - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:33:13 EST 6EVOX4Ti No.6373049 Reply
>>6373029
That big Japanese company hardly does anything for them. There's no real indication that big investment has gone into things like wrestlers' pay and the last Korakuen show wasn't even broadcasted on their streaming service. It wouldn't be worth it at all for him.
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Konnan - Thu, 26 Mar 2020 20:27:11 EST q8zMvmTB No.6373100 Reply
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>>6372859
what indy? the one that actually puts a bit of production value in its work?
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Dean Malenko - Fri, 27 Mar 2020 01:49:26 EST zVSMKZyQ No.6373226 Reply
>>6372690
For fuck sake do people want pro wrestling to be live action anime fights? This is fucking dumb

The evolution of the "art form" is this?
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Vader - Fri, 27 Mar 2020 03:51:39 EST UNAobvWq No.6373249 Reply
These shows need to stop having guys talking into mics in front of nobody and switch to studio interviews
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Bushwhacker Butch - Fri, 27 Mar 2020 04:47:05 EST QSYhnRQX No.6373255 Reply
I honestly really enjoyed it! Like I don't watch this for realism or sports related reasons. Bring on the crazy shit. Now's the time. Have Statlander abduct people, reveal that Uno's save being corrupted caused the Dark Order to manifest on this plane, get a 24/7 title.
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Marco Corleone - Fri, 27 Mar 2020 07:46:24 EST 4p78Abvh No.6373274 Reply
>>6373226

lol dont tell me you hated kanes character as well when he first came out because he did not help with the evolution of pro wrestling

lmao you act like there no alternatives. Calm down, let people have some fun and go watch some new japan or something
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Eric Bischoff - Fri, 27 Mar 2020 08:48:49 EST BxsoGG2K No.6373280 Reply
The "Road To" stuff is so good for character building, I don't know why the shows don't have more of this instead of committing to the awkward in ring stuff.

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