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AEW DOUBLE OR NOTHING 2020 - 8PM EDT / 1AM BST

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- Sat, 23 May 2020 12:51:38 EST z+c6DKUE No.6397651
File: 1590252698645.jpg -(73979B / 72.25KB, 258x387) Thumbnail displayed, click image for full size. AEW DOUBLE OR NOTHING 2020 - 8PM EDT / 1AM BST
> Watch AEW Double or Nothing with the pre-show starting at 7:30pm EDT / 12:30am BST in http://taima.tv/r/wooo and http://taima.tv/r/woooalt with the PPV itself at 8pm EDT / 1am BST
> Countdown to Double or Nothing will be shown at 6:45pm EDT / 11:45pm BST in http://taima.tv/r/woooalt

A year ago (well, a few days away), AEW finally put on a show of their own, after a few months of hyping up their debut and certain people in the industry instantly calling them the number 2 promotion around despite the fact they had nothing in their name to show off before this event. 11,000 people packed the MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas and they were going to return again to the same place this year....until corona happened, so it'll be at Daily's Place in Jacksonville with nothing but the wrestlers watching ringside.

Here is the card...there's been a few injuries lately so there have been some adjustments.

> AEW WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP: Jon Moxley (c) vs. Brodie Lee

> AEW WOMEN'S WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP (NO DQ/NO COUNT-OUT): Nyla Rose (c) vs. Hikaru Shida

> AEW TNT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH: Cody vs. Lance Archer - Mike Tyson to present title to the winner.

> CASINO LADDER MATCH: Darby Allin vs. Colt Cabana vs. Orange Cassidy vs. Joey Janela vs. Scorpio Sky vs. Kip Sabian vs. Frankie Kazarian vs. Luchasaurus vs. TBA (Mystery Entrant) - Winner receives future AEW World Championship Match.

> STADIUM STAMPEDE MATCH: The Elite (Kenny Omega, Hangman Page, The Young Bucks and Matt Hardy) vs. Inner Circle (Chris Jericho, Jake Hager, Sammy Guevara, Santana, and Ortiz)

> MJF vs. Jungle Boy

> Penelope Ford vs. Kris Statlander

> Dustin Rhodes vs. Shawn Spears

> THE BUY IN: Best Friends vs. Private Party - Winners are the number one contenders for AEW World Tag Team Championship.
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Atlantis - Sat, 23 May 2020 12:55:02 EST T5Ycresu No.6397653 Reply
Wait they took Fenix out of the ladder match?
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Christopher Daniels - Sat, 23 May 2020 12:57:44 EST z+c6DKUE No.6397655 Reply
>>6397653
This week's Dynamite really put a few people out of commission.
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Harvey Wippleman - Sat, 23 May 2020 12:59:34 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6397659 Reply
So I'd rather buy this thing cause Tamia shits the bed for me all the time and I am planning on having 1-2 people over. Is the cheapest I can really get it $50?
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Neko Nitta - Sat, 23 May 2020 13:04:02 EST BxsoGG2K No.6397662 Reply
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>>6397653
He fell hard on Dynamite this week and is out for a few weeks as a precaution
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Atlantis - Sat, 23 May 2020 13:27:38 EST T5Ycresu No.6397679 Reply
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looks like this has already been taped
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Santino Marella - Sat, 23 May 2020 13:32:24 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6397689 Reply
Intrigued for the stadium stampede the most

The rest doesn't look bad but obviously they got fucked by rona in terms of building hype.
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Kevin Nash - Sat, 23 May 2020 13:34:11 EST 74S21DJ6 No.6397692 Reply
>>6397679
Yeah, it was known it'd be taped in advance. Obviously you want to cut down the BS of people walking up stairs/across the field for 2 minutes at a time and be able to focus on the spots. With there being no crowd they gotta make it more cinematic or it would fall flat.
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British Bulldog - Sat, 23 May 2020 13:47:25 EST jEGuiRVR No.6397702 Reply
Pretty stacked card on paper. Won't be as hype without fans but I got some loud and snacks so I'm still hype.
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Zelda The Brain - Sat, 23 May 2020 13:49:36 EST K5Vmlqko No.6397708 Reply
>>6397695
same. I'm hoping they do some stuff similar to what they did in TNA with the Decay prior to delete or decay, the match where they went backstage half way through and wacky shit started happening
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Derrick Bateman - Sat, 23 May 2020 13:53:48 EST 4nbY1wSv No.6397712 Reply
>Best Friends vs. Private Party on the preshow
>Penelope Ford vs. Kris Statlander on the main card

Well that's not right.
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Riho - Sat, 23 May 2020 14:00:43 EST tzs2tHuX No.6397716 Reply
It's beautiful outside and I really really want to enjoy some wrestling tonight after all this dark and grim shit between covid, WWE layoffs/endless trash, Dark Side Of The Ring, Shad, Hana and more. It's been pretty dire.

I hope AEW can bring some fun tonight. Rootin for em
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Super Shisa - Sat, 23 May 2020 14:16:28 EST cfOXxE22 No.6397727 Reply
Meltzer on twitter
>Just to clarify, Stadium Stampede was taped last night. Everyone is raving about it.

Ok now i'm hyped
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Neko Nitta - Sat, 23 May 2020 14:28:44 EST BxsoGG2K No.6397741 Reply
Should be fun yet unremarkable. I'm in.
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Christopher Daniels - Sat, 23 May 2020 14:48:37 EST rWWSIM8P No.6397756 Reply
Top half of this card looks great. Moxley and Brodie Lee ought to lead to something interesting. Rose vs. Shida with a stipulation should be solid (plus I don't know who'll win that one). Cody vs. Archer with Tyson has had a lot of good build-up. The ladder match should be a fun as hell clusterfuck (I'm guessing that's the opening match). Disappointed the Stadium Stampede match is pre-taped, but it should be fun.

Rest of the card is meh. Jungle Boy is solid, but MJF doesn't do much for me in a regular singles match. Penelope Ford ain't that great. Dustin Rhodes vs. Shawn Spears -- how can anyone care about this? And Best Friends vs. Private Party is your average Dynamite match.

Here's hoping they mix the card up, pace it well.
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Santino Marella - Sat, 23 May 2020 15:08:18 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6397777 Reply
>>6397756
>Disappointed the Stadium Stampede match is pre-taped

really? pre taped is so much more optimal in this setting, especially if they're going to be moving all over the stadium. editing allows them to tighten it and remove all the dead air of them walk-punching.
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Sho Funaki - Sat, 23 May 2020 15:13:56 EST I1lspNid No.6397780 Reply
Nyla Rose is a man and should not be wrestling in the women's division.
Based on her attire she's not even post-op or taking testosterone blockers.
There's a reason we don't let men and women wrestle each other.
Enjoy the senseless injuries for the sake of progressivism.
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Neko Nitta - Sat, 23 May 2020 15:15:49 EST BxsoGG2K No.6397783 Reply
>>6397756
>Disappointed the Stadium Stampede match is pre-taped
Nah fuck this opinion. They can cut out all the awkward bullshit a multiman clusterfuck in an open space would have and do more with the match than a live one.
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Santino Marella - Sat, 23 May 2020 15:18:03 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6397786 Reply
>>6397727
to be fair: consider the source.

i'm sure it will be entertaining but meltz parroting positive hype about aew isn't a breaking news kind of thing
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Super Shisa - Sat, 23 May 2020 15:23:29 EST cfOXxE22 No.6397791 Reply
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Anybody else actually want Lee to win? I like Mox, but i'm really interested to see how this title reign would go. Incredibly unlikely though
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Teddy Long - Sat, 23 May 2020 15:43:52 EST Z1f6Kay4 No.6397802 Reply
>>6397756
>Disappointed the Stadium Stampede match is pre-taped, but it should be fun.
I'm glad it is taped. This is the kind of match they hired Matt Hardy for. I want to see him teleport back to the Hardy compound and grab a bucket with water from the Lake of Reincarnation, douse Jericho with it, and turn him into Lionheart Chris Jericho circa 1998. I want to see him open up portals and drop dilapidated boats. I want to see nanobots invade and form Vanguard 2. The rest of the card can be straight up serious but good in ring action but I want all kinds of fuckery out of the Stadium Stampede.
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Naomichi Marufuji - Sat, 23 May 2020 15:50:15 EST i384inau No.6397804 Reply
>>6397791
Curious how they're going to do this. Having Brodie do the job would kind of kill his momentum normally, so I hope they have something good planned if he does lose.
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Super Shisa - Sat, 23 May 2020 15:53:54 EST cfOXxE22 No.6397807 Reply
>>6397804
I could see a Dark Order member accidentally costing him the match or something
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Cherry - Sat, 23 May 2020 15:56:38 EST KSax/X8G No.6397808 Reply
>>6397780
Statlander is just as dangerous as Nyla. Every match is a botchfest with these two.
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Doug Basham - Sat, 23 May 2020 16:05:33 EST jDgHHoPm No.6397812 Reply
>>6397791

I really hate to say this, but I think Vince was right about Brodie. He's just not good enough.
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Cheech Hernandez - Sat, 23 May 2020 16:08:27 EST 6lubTvqQ No.6397815 Reply
>>6397812
Nah, that's a dumb take considering the rotten wrestlers they push in WWE
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Brother Runt - Sat, 23 May 2020 16:38:14 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6397827 Reply
Who do you think is the mystery opponent in the ladder match? I would mark if it were Gulak but maybe he's got a 90 no compete
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Lince Dorado - Sat, 23 May 2020 16:50:38 EST VbwA2ibK No.6397833 Reply
>>6397827
Gulak's contract expired, so he's available.

It's not him though. Probably Brian Cage.
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Neko Nitta - Sat, 23 May 2020 16:53:04 EST BxsoGG2K No.6397834 Reply
>>6397812
Well, he's 40 now. This is his last run to be something more than he was.
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Riho - Sat, 23 May 2020 16:53:17 EST tzs2tHuX No.6397835 Reply
>>6397833
Brian Cage is so injury prone. I honestly think the dude has a year or two left in his career. He should do his shit in AEW for a few years and retire with baby cage. Maybe teach his wife how to use the microphone she has for her twitch streams that she doesn't use.
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Leilani Kai - Sat, 23 May 2020 17:03:32 EST jXqG4Qs2 No.6397842 Reply
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>>6397791
I think a loss hurts Brodie more than Mox. As babyface Mox could be screwed out of the belt and still look strong in defeat. Then have him chase for the belt by going through different Dark Order members, buying time until the rematch where he would beat Brodie.

However Dark Order thus far has been a lame stable full of jobbers (Brodie excluded) and theres no way they can be taken seriously as a main event act as they are. Thats the problem with rushing this feud. You're eating the steak when it's undercooked.

I don't think they did Brodie any favours by having him sell so much against Daniels (and giving Daniels the visual submission win that Brodie had to be saved from). That was fucking stupid. Going forward The Dark Order needs some kind of rehabbing, putting some names in there, have some heavy violent angles, etc.
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Naomichi Marufuji - Sat, 23 May 2020 17:05:28 EST i384inau No.6397843 Reply
>>6397842
I really didn't like the way they made 10 look so weak. He did worse than some of the random jobbers on Dark.
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Sho Funaki - Sat, 23 May 2020 17:10:00 EST I1lspNid No.6397847 Reply
>>6397808
Statlander isn't biologically female either?
Why are people okay with this?
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Doug Basham - Sat, 23 May 2020 17:12:34 EST jDgHHoPm No.6397849 Reply
>>6397817

He hasn't been able to elevate the Dark Order in the slightest, which, while a lot to ask, he should have helped them a little. His in-ring is unimpressive. I don't like his promos. His quasi-Vince gimmick is bad, he should have vetoed that.

Overall he's just really unimpressive
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Neko Nitta - Sat, 23 May 2020 17:26:54 EST BxsoGG2K No.6397863 Reply
>>6397849
>He hasn't been able to elevate the Dark Order in the slightest, which, while a lot to ask, he should have helped them a little.
This is really harsh considering there have been 0 fans in attendance for his whole run so far.
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Christopher Daniels - Sat, 23 May 2020 17:34:16 EST rWWSIM8P No.6397867 Reply
>>6397777
>>6397783
>>6397802
Personally speaking, pre-taped matches should be reserved for more... silly events, you know? I know this has been somewhat silly with Hardy teleporting and Vanguard 1 and all that, but at the core is a grudge match. Going off of Wrestlemania and what was pre-taped vs. what wasn't (yes, I know the whole show was pre-taped, but you know what I mean), this is more in line with Edge/Orton than Undertaker/Styles or Cena/Fiend.

And yeah, Edge/Orton sucked, but this is AEW. The falls count anywhere street fight they had a couple weeks back was great, and I imagine a live Stadium Stampede match would be as well.
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Kurt Angle - Sat, 23 May 2020 17:40:21 EST ICNR1+X8 No.6397871 Reply
>>6397867
Stadiums are huge so it being pretaped is a great way to cut out a ton of dead air of wandering around. Think of it more like Halftime Heat than a Deletion or a Funhouse match, that shit was pretaped and while the arena Rock and Foley were in was a lot smaller, but they still had to chop out a decent amount of wandering around.
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Doug Basham - Sat, 23 May 2020 18:04:04 EST jDgHHoPm No.6397884 Reply
>>6397863

Maybe. But I get the feeling that if fans were there, they'd be giving him face reactions, which would be even worse.
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Kharma - Sat, 23 May 2020 18:08:48 EST FpQEOx+c No.6397885 Reply
Gotta remember Brodie has been in his gimmick only 2 months, and its pretty different from anything he's ever done, and he has no crowd feedback to react to. On top of that i don't think he was the intended challenger, but everything went out the window and they accelerated him.

There's a lot riding on tonight tho, if he has a boring match with Mox then I think more will turn on the gimmick.
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AshJoshiFan - Sat, 23 May 2020 18:30:49 EST JLUGd8LZ No.6397891 Reply
>>6397651
Last year the DoN Streams were taken down about 7 times the entire show. Hopefully it's different this year
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Bobby Dempsey - Sat, 23 May 2020 18:49:22 EST kmjp50d9 No.6397896 Reply
I predict Mox vs Brodie will be lackluster or just ok to be honest.
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British Bulldog - Sat, 23 May 2020 18:51:58 EST jEGuiRVR No.6397898 Reply
>>6397849
The Dark Order as we knew it cannot be on the show due to travel restrictions so really not his fault. He kinda has elevated them though because him and the guys that can be there are feuding with the world champion.

He's also had one match over 3 minutes long so knocking his in-ring seems just as harsh. You're also judging a gimmick that's not rellly had a chance to go anywhere but there's a bit more to it than 'he's doing Vince' too. Outside a few jabs and the suit there's no real comparison. He quoted the leader of scientology in one promo and no one really picked up on it. Its fine for you to not dig the gimmick but I get the impression you haven't watched much of his AEW stuff at all and you're making lazy assumptions.
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Christina Von Eerie - Sat, 23 May 2020 19:21:45 EST qAkWtYki No.6397911 Reply
Looking forward to this
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Lance Cade - Sat, 23 May 2020 19:33:47 EST bWZ+YR1t No.6397917 Reply
Glad they're actually putting Janela in a spot and match that suits him.
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Christina Von Eerie - Sat, 23 May 2020 19:37:40 EST qAkWtYki No.6397918 Reply
I'm okay with either team winning thid
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Bobby Dempsey - Sat, 23 May 2020 19:43:45 EST kmjp50d9 No.6397921 Reply
just realized I don't think I've ever seen Trent's hairline before. that's fucked up I feel him lol
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Hikaru Shida - Sat, 23 May 2020 19:55:42 EST zqFK+0Lu No.6397927 Reply
AEW needs to stop with all the gambling themes of their PPVS
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Mason Ryan - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:00:44 EST bfeDpgny No.6397935 Reply
I genuinely hope Brodie Lee wins the championship tonight. To me, that's a far more interesting story than Mox beating Brodie already.
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John Morrison - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:01:49 EST A8UduYyT No.6397937 Reply
What the fuck, after about 20 minutes of watching the stream, I just can't use Taima. It just doesn't load streams and nothing fixes it. Clearing browser cache, different browsers, etc.

I guess the cops have gotten me.
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Mad Dog Vachon - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:04:19 EST jEGuiRVR No.6397939 Reply
>>6397928
Not really a fan of colored belts but this doesn't look too bad.
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Tony Atlas - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:06:13 EST z+c6DKUE No.6397940 Reply
They put a Shad message whilst a beach / sea was in the background.... No Hana though.
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Shawn Michaels - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:13:47 EST Sisj5G0M No.6397947 Reply
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>Taima is dead
>fuck it, just gonna buy it
>BR Live breaks and auto refunds my money
I guess I don't get to watch DoN?
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Mima Shimoda - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:15:32 EST d+HdnJ+3 No.6397950 Reply
>>6397947
It's the good lord's way of telling you there's better things to do on a Saturday night than watch wrestling
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Tony Schiavone - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:16:53 EST lrjzoo/U No.6397952 Reply
hahahahahahahah jimmy havoc just obliterated my sides, what a shitter
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Lexie Fyfe - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:19:44 EST Z2TYwzSF No.6397953 Reply
>>6397947
You're not missing out much tbh.

So many stupid spots going on right now. Botches galore.
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:22:16 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6397955 Reply
>>6397953
Also Darby may have exploded his shins on the dumbest spot I could imagine
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Shawn Michaels - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:24:13 EST Sisj5G0M No.6397956 Reply
>>6397953
By your shit attitude I'm guessing it's a good match and I'm missing out on fun.
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Tony Schiavone - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:27:03 EST lrjzoo/U No.6397958 Reply
Whole thing so far has been an absolute amateur hour shitfest. It's hilarious, I love it.
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Curry Man - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:29:11 EST rWWSIM8P No.6397960 Reply
LOOKS LIKE MACHINEPOSTING IS BACK ON THE MENU BOYS
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Arachnaman - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:31:47 EST qAkWtYki No.6397962 Reply
Someone should post those videos from the machine
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Tomoka Nakagawa - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:34:15 EST 9eA3Xp3/ No.6397964 Reply
>>6397963
ITS A DAMN MACHINE
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Excalibur - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:36:22 EST 4m6mzkS3 No.6397967 Reply
Dumb clusterfuck matches like this are my absolute favorite thing in wrestling
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Ron Garvin - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:36:38 EST 96GLORBp No.6397968 Reply
I don't think there's a single thing in AEW I dislike more than Marko Stunt
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:36:41 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6397969 Reply
This is absolutely fucking terrible. This seems like the most generic high school gym filler spotfest. Everyone is just standing waiting for the next run-in or spot.

This is embarrassing as fuck.
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Tomoka Nakagawa - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:37:17 EST 9eA3Xp3/ No.6397970 Reply
I hope this means no more coked up Melisa on Impact
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Lexie Fyfe - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:41:37 EST T5Ycresu No.6397973 Reply
Very sloppy match but you know what, it was a lot of fun
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Eli Cottonwood - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:42:53 EST FpQEOx+c No.6397975 Reply
Darby's gonna be like a skinny Mick Foley in 20 years, fucking hell
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Lexie Fyfe - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:43:54 EST Z2TYwzSF No.6397977 Reply
>>6397956
Watch it and see for yourself.

At least Brian Cage won this clusterfuck spotfest
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Tony Schiavone - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:44:25 EST lrjzoo/U No.6397978 Reply
That was like someone put an underneath GCW multiman fuckfest on TV. It was only missing Grim Reefer and Facade.
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Michael Kovac - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:44:58 EST vSMiM6xq No.6397980 Reply
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>>6397651
That first match was fucking awesome. I was impressed by the opening pyro and entrance setups and the action worked me into a good time.


> 5 5 9 Fucking MACHINE is ALL ELITE
Based. We have CIMA & That old meme now too, I can enjoy this promotion as /wooo/'s own even more now.
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Mad Dog Vachon - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:47:16 EST jEGuiRVR No.6397982 Reply
>>6397969
>everyone is just standing waiting for the next run-in or spot
So pretty much every multiman ladder match since forever?

I thought it was fun but clumsy at times. Cage was a beast, I hope he can stay injury free. Darby is nuts too.
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Mima Shimoda - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:47:27 EST d+HdnJ+3 No.6397983 Reply
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Cyberfights Legend Brian Cage has joined aedub!
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Brad Armstrong - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:48:05 EST faqejkPw No.6397984 Reply
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Was Cage wearing a blue bottom mouthguard or did he just eat a shitload of blueberry candy before his big debut? Either way I guess we've found AEW's answer to Liv Morgan
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Excalibur - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:49:32 EST 4m6mzkS3 No.6397985 Reply
>Cage
>Archer
>Luchasaurus
>Wardlow
>Swaggie

AEW's got themselves a nice collection of big bois goin on
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:54:10 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6397988 Reply
I know some people get in Aubrey Edwards but she is really coming into her own as a ref. She does the little that makes me enjoy her work. She isn't near Red Shoes level but she is getting better. The only times I notice her it's usually for a good reason

Her pissed off anger 5-counting MJF after his injury fake out made me mark. In real life no matter how professional a ref you are in the moment you'd be fucking pissed
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Ron Garvin - Sat, 23 May 2020 20:55:58 EST 96GLORBp No.6397989 Reply
>>6397988
The problem with Aubrey isn't Aubrey, it's the commentary feeling like they need to remind everyone that she does a really good job every time she refs a match. If they just let her be like any other ref it'd be fine.
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Jay Lethal - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:01:54 EST sOz1UFup No.6397991 Reply
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This has been really entertaining from what I've seen, but having no crowd is just life-sucking for an event like this. Brodie Lee, Matt Hardy, and Brian Cage debut to ZERO fucking reaction because nobody is there. Aghhhhhhh.

>>6397928
>Silver

FUCK.
OFF.

Like seriously, fuck right off with that shit.
You are the CHAMPION.
CHAMPION = GOLD
So...
CHAMPIONship = GOLD.

Fucking stupid.
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:04:49 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6397992 Reply
MJF v Jungle Boy was so much better than the first two matches it's absurd.
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Eli Cottonwood - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:05:58 EST FpQEOx+c No.6397993 Reply
MJF v Jungle Jack was a good ass match
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Mike Quackenbush - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:08:19 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6397995 Reply
that was a fantastic wrestling match
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The People - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:09:54 EST DIKFKCIe No.6397997 Reply
That belt doesn't look good. The combination of the mostly empty faceplate mixed with the red strap just looks off.
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Marco Corleone - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:19:07 EST biZclbci No.6398003 Reply
Is that Dan Lambert in the front row
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Terry Funk - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:23:24 EST T27T75Qv No.6398004 Reply
>tyson yawning during a cawdy match

based
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The People - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:23:40 EST DIKFKCIe No.6398005 Reply
>Tyson yawns at Cody's comeback
>Gets hyped as fuck for Archer
Tyson knows what's up.
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Shelton Benjamin - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:29:03 EST Dc2SQ8hY No.6398007 Reply
yo if Cody wins this I'm gonna become the biggest CAWDY spammer in the world

how can you possibly have a guy win convincingly after he gets a palm in his face like a bully beating a nerd
even worse that he's fuckin' hair pulling
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:33:43 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398008 Reply
Wow this match is a fucking slog. Thanks 4-Star
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:36:07 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398012 Reply
Yeah i'm just gonna say it, fuck Cody and fuck that match. What the fuck is with the HUGE uptick in outside interference bullshit in this "real sports feel" promotion
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Mike Quackenbush - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:37:26 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6398014 Reply
Tyson was the highlight of that match
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Ron Harris - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:37:28 EST yWbCq3X5 No.6398015 Reply
This is legit like I'm watching an E-fed and the booker is doing all the shit liked as a kid
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Tony Atlas - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:39:36 EST z+c6DKUE No.6398017 Reply
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It's almost if they revealed the finish earlier.
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The People - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:39:59 EST DIKFKCIe No.6398018 Reply
I'm fine with Cody winning here, he really needed a big win after all those failures. Archer will have his time.
Either Darby or MJF needs to take the title off of him.
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Christian - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:41:17 EST Yy2p06BJ No.6398020 Reply
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>Cody finally wins a big thing in AEW.
>LOLCAWDYWINSFUCKAEW
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Andy Douglas - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:43:58 EST tzs2tHuX No.6398021 Reply
Lance archer rules. Match was fine. Jungle boy vs mjf was clearly the best match.

These piss break sucks
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Shelton Benjamin - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:45:47 EST Dc2SQ8hY No.6398022 Reply
>>6398020
I don't even think it's a LOLELITE thing, I really think this match was way too fucking sloppy and Cody looked like a geek getting trounced for most of it. It didn't feel like a match that should've made a champion out of him.
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:47:16 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398024 Reply
Jesus Christ JR's rant about Vickie. Putting words in peoples mouth and defending her being there when maybe she SHOULDN'T FUCKING BE THERE BECAUSE THERE SHOULDN'T BE ANYONE AROUND AT RINGSIDE, LET ALONE FRIENDS AND FAMILY NOT SOCIALLY DISTANCING
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Tony Schiavone - Sat, 23 May 2020 21:50:10 EST lrjzoo/U No.6398028 Reply
Credit where it's due, that women's match was a lot better than so much of the sloppy shit they've served up lately.
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Shelton Benjamin - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:00:40 EST Dc2SQ8hY No.6398036 Reply
>There's nowhere else to go... but down
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Tomoka Nakagawa - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:01:29 EST 9eA3Xp3/ No.6398038 Reply
That was terrible, good thing that i'm drunk
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Marco Corleone - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:02:41 EST biZclbci No.6398040 Reply
>JR says Cody is the TNA champ
>current TNA champ is Moose
>Moose and Cody had a feud in the past
Surely they’re teasing a title unification match
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Brendan Michael Thomas - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:03:18 EST AnikyWkC No.6398041 Reply
lmao, darby injured himself... and after that terrible show last week... these wrestlers need to realize just cuz they're on tv doesn't mean they're invincible
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Lexie Fyfe - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:07:44 EST Z2TYwzSF No.6398044 Reply
MJF/Jungle Boy has been the match of the night.

The rest has been absolute shit-tier with too many botches, in-ring and on commentary.
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:12:12 EST 3A10Opic No.6398050 Reply
Who's the smokeshow in the dress over by Big Swole?
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Andy Douglas - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:12:59 EST tzs2tHuX No.6398051 Reply
>>6398044
Yeah. I thought the opening ladder match was bad but in hindesight was much better than the rest of this show(besides mjf and jungle boy)
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Sami Callihan - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:16:02 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6398054 Reply
>>6398051
I thought the ladder match had some okay spots dragged down by too much indie comedy
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Zack Ryder - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:18:23 EST 8kyTimBL No.6398056 Reply
>JR with a Sadaharu Oh NPB reference for Shida
Not bad
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Averno - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:24:14 EST zqFK+0Lu No.6398060 Reply
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>Booking yourself to win titles

CODYWINSLOL
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Lexie Fyfe - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:26:02 EST Z2TYwzSF No.6398061 Reply
....that was underwhelming.

What even was Nyla's reign?
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Eli Cottonwood - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:28:33 EST FpQEOx+c No.6398068 Reply
Everyone gotta meme about her but Nyla is pretty solid for her experience and has multiple solid matches in AEW thus far. Nothing exceptional but given time she's got potential.
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Andy Douglas - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:28:54 EST tzs2tHuX No.6398069 Reply
When people say Impact is better than AEW and WWE it isn't just a meme.
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:30:10 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398071 Reply
Man I don't know how I feel about this. I am 100% all for giving tribute to Hana, and sticking some strong anti-bullying/pro mental health messages in there,

But they keep going. It really felt weird to me they made Shida's win about Hana, Then to come back and talk about it again and ramble about how they are putting smiles on faces. Man I just don't know.

Maybe I am so jaded cause WWE would milk shit like this for karma that I can see it when it's genuine or what. Their tribute pre-match was so good I would have left it there.
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Mike Quackenbush - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:30:51 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6398072 Reply
Stampede being the main event is absolutely the right call imo, Mox/Brodie is very cold
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Terry Funk - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:31:37 EST T27T75Qv No.6398073 Reply
Why'd Nyla win the belt in the first palce?
should've held it off till she improved

glad shida won tho
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Lexie Fyfe - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:32:12 EST Z2TYwzSF No.6398074 Reply
>>6398071
Yeah don't forget AEW having a RIP Shad with a sea/beach background which feels insensitive.
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The People - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:33:18 EST DIKFKCIe No.6398075 Reply
>Uno's arm is fucked
Huh, wonder when that happened.
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Eli Cottonwood - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:34:52 EST FpQEOx+c No.6398076 Reply
>>6398075

He also lost a ton of weight.... and a few inches of height.... and isn't Uno
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Sonjay Dutt - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:42:35 EST jDgHHoPm No.6398080 Reply
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>Big men doing dives

HEY CUT IT OUT
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Tony Schiavone - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:43:30 EST lrjzoo/U No.6398082 Reply
Brodie Lee has kind eyes. I bet he's very nice to his mother.
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Sami Callihan - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:45:51 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6398085 Reply
>an empty arena show going longer than 3 hours

Not even wwe has done this
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:49:31 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398089 Reply
I donno what it is but I really feel like im watching a high tier WWE PPV.

The booking is following Vince's formula. The matches are mostly either slow and plodding or spotfest with tons of interference.

The only good match was MJF/Jungle Boy. Shida/Rose was ok but Rose is way too fucking green
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Ron Garvin - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:51:45 EST 96GLORBp No.6398090 Reply
>>6398061
Riho couldn't commit to a fulltime schedule so Nyla was the transitional champ to Shida. I think if Riho had been able to stick around she would probably still be champ or would've lost it to Shida herself tonight.
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:54:18 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398091 Reply
>>6398089
>Submits/KOs the powerful heel leader of a faction in his first major match after stupid finisher spam kickout

Why hello Vince
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Goldust - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:54:21 EST i384inau No.6398092 Reply
So 2 arcs completely destroyed with nowhere to go?
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Mike Quackenbush - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:55:12 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6398093 Reply
match was way better than I thought it was gonna be
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Abdullah the Butcher - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:57:03 EST oEnDOIR2 No.6398095 Reply
That match fuckin ruled
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Sonjay Dutt - Sat, 23 May 2020 22:57:11 EST jDgHHoPm No.6398096 Reply
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HAHA YOU WERE BETTER OFF WITH ME PAL
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Lexie Fyfe - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:00:35 EST Z2TYwzSF No.6398097 Reply
>Darby takes a skateboard on top of the ladder
>Cool what is he going to do.
>Proceeds to drop himself off onto another level
>Fucks up his knee

Who thought this was a good idea?
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Mad Dog Vachon - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:02:41 EST jEGuiRVR No.6398099 Reply
>>6398091
If Brodie won your whining ass would have shat on it anyway.

Brodie didn't tap or get pinned. He now has claim to another shot at some point.
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Mad Dog Vachon - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:03:59 EST jEGuiRVR No.6398100 Reply
>>6398098
Nope. Probably just dummies getting worked by his selling again.
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:07:26 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398103 Reply
>>6398099
To be fair putting Brodie in the title match at this point is dumb on so many fucking levels they booked an absolute lose/lose. No reason to burn a new talent on a crowdless PPV. Could have easily built someone else up. Let Mox and Janela have a main event Lights Out match for the title or something instead of leaving Janela buried.

I am not a fan of stupid kickout fests. No reason to have a guy kicking out at 1 after taking a finish through a platform. Then to kick a third and pass out in 10 seconds in a sleeper. No reason for it. Have Mox hit the 2nd Paradigm Shift and move to the sleeper instead of a pin. Have Brodie fight for 20s before getting heem'ed
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:12:10 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398106 Reply
>Tony shooting on awful artificial turf

Oh now this is based
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Sami Callihan - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:33:48 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6398108 Reply
I love how much Schiavone is loving this
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Bad News Brown - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:38:53 EST K20kw6yS No.6398110 Reply
>all the American football references in this match

Brits must be seething
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Joey Mercury - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:39:19 EST zl40nmQP No.6398112 Reply
this is going a little too long, but i'm sports entertained
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:39:30 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398113 Reply
As much as I am enjoying this the voice in the back of my head nags "Why aren't they pinning they could have won this match"
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Excalibur - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:40:58 EST 4m6mzkS3 No.6398115 Reply
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I can't wait to hear Ol Corny have an aneurysm over this match
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Eli Cottonwood - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:41:37 EST FpQEOx+c No.6398117 Reply
AEW is becoming DDT with a TV Budget

excellent
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Sami Callihan - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:43:05 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6398118 Reply
This is entertaining but it is a little too much comedy for what's supposed to be a blowoff to a heated stable feud and replacement for wargames
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Sami Callihan - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:45:14 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6398120 Reply
>>6398117
It's pretty clear that Omega and the Bucks want DDT USA while Cody wants WCW 2.0
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Lexie Fyfe - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:46:46 EST T5Ycresu No.6398122 Reply
I don't think anything will top that
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Excalibur - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:46:59 EST 4m6mzkS3 No.6398123 Reply
That was a legitimate 7 star match
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Giant Baba - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:47:22 EST It2BUKqt No.6398125 Reply
That main event was the best thing AEW's done in its short history. Fucking outstanding.
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Zack Ryder - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:47:23 EST 8kyTimBL No.6398126 Reply
>>6398118
For what it's worth I think they still want to do blood and guts and if so that would be the perfect blowoff.
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Vince McMahon - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:47:28 EST UYA8ZLuJ No.6398127 Reply
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ALL THE STARS.

THAT WAS AMAZING. HOLY SHIT
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The People - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:47:40 EST DIKFKCIe No.6398128 Reply
That was a really fun match. It was worth sitting through a mostly boring PPV.
>>6398115
Eh, fuck Cornette. What's he possibly going to say that he hasn't said a trillion times already? He's one note.
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Marco Corleone - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:49:59 EST biZclbci No.6398131 Reply
If that wasn't 7 stars, nothing is
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Kimberly Page - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:50:19 EST kmjp50d9 No.6398132 Reply
also that owa was the most fucking ridiculous looking shit I've ever seen I love it so much lmao
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Rocky Johnson - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:50:41 EST x8ohQNwM No.6398134 Reply
That main event was the most fun match I've ever seen
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Junkyard Dog - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:50:49 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398135 Reply
Tiny gripes aside Stadium Stampede is the first time that AEW/Khan has hyped something and it turned out to be great

I know they want to wait for crowds to return for Blood and Guts but a big part of me hopes that they pull the trigger on it soon. I feel like this feud is reaching it's climax and for it to stall for 4-6 months again will be a shame
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Goldust - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:51:07 EST i384inau No.6398137 Reply
How did they manage to turn around that shitshow of a PPV? I was certain I'd be walking away mad.
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Andy Douglas - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:52:11 EST tzs2tHuX No.6398139 Reply
>>6398120
Yeah and it makes the show feel disjointed at times. I feel like Cody would thrive if he worked with NWA instead but that's me.
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The People - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:52:45 EST DIKFKCIe No.6398140 Reply
>>6398135
>I know they want to wait for crowds to return for Blood and Guts but a big part of me hopes that they pull the trigger on it soon. I feel like this feud is reaching it's climax and for it to stall for 4-6 months again will be a shame
On one hand it really does need a crowd for it to be the absolute best it can be, but on the other hand it definitely needs to happen on the soon end of as soon as possible.
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Kenta Kobashi - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:54:33 EST 7+rGJ2Hv No.6398142 Reply
That final match was amazing. 1000/10, 7 stars, chat marking out at the pool spot genuinely was a feel good moment
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Tomoka Nakagawa - Sat, 23 May 2020 23:56:57 EST 89OucTXK No.6398145 Reply
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That was fucking amazing.
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Zardoz - Sun, 24 May 2020 00:00:24 EST G0uyKAOX No.6398147 Reply
Great way to end a completely shitty week. Everything still sucks but that was very entertaining.
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Sycho Sid - Sun, 24 May 2020 00:11:44 EST 1d534OzA No.6398151 Reply
Has anyone else noticed that all this cinematic wrestling is just want IWA Japan was doing in the 90s? House death matches, bath house deathmatches, shopping markets, etc.
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Mad Dog Vachon - Sun, 24 May 2020 00:12:49 EST jEGuiRVR No.6398152 Reply
Pre-show tag was pretty darn good. Ladder match went on too long and there was some clumsy moments but it was fun and Cage looked like a beast. MJF/Jungle Boy was great and those guys could end up AEW enemies for life. Cody and Archer was decent but I'd rather Lance won. I missed the first women's match and Dusty/Spears. Women's title match was mostly spent on my phone so idk.

Mox/Brodie was very good imo and was booked perfectly. You can't put the title on another ex WWE guy so soon, especially after building Mox up as the main man. But more importantly than that, Brodie didn't look weak in defeat and has claim to another match. Getting choked out in 10 seconds is legit. Having your heel struggle for 20 seconds like some guy suggested is nonsense. That implies he gave it his all and was still defeated. Where do you go from there? You want your faces putting up that kind of fight, not your heel. Either way, very good match worth checking out.

The Stadium stampede was fun as hell too. I dunno what's next for those guys but I don't think that's the end of this feud. I don't think we'll see fans in stadiums by the next ppv but if we can hopefully we get Blood and Guts.

Pretty good 7.5/10 for me dawg.
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Eli Cottonwood - Sun, 24 May 2020 00:15:31 EST FpQEOx+c No.6398153 Reply
I'd say MJF v Jungle Boy and the Stadium Stampede are must-sees

Mox/Brodie and the Ladder match are worth a watch

Nyla/Shida was better than expected and worth a watch too

rest was skippable.
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Lexie Fyfe - Sun, 24 May 2020 00:23:04 EST T5Ycresu No.6398156 Reply
>Filthy Tom falling asleep during the review

lmao
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Okada - Sun, 24 May 2020 00:26:48 EST v+E41uU7 No.6398159 Reply
As a goofy match with no story implications this was kinda fun
As a stable war that with heels and faces and talk about being "a war that certainly isn't civil" this was minus 5 stars after Matt Hardy started doing his BS though at least that was the worst it got

Middle of the road show, MJF and Jungle Boy are perfect together.
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Junkyard Dog - Sun, 24 May 2020 00:37:22 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398162 Reply
>In Kayfabe Cody shouldn't be allowed to wear a weight belt because it helps him lift heavier people in matches

Tom is shoot fucking stupid isn't he? I usually don't watch anything other than Observer/4pm shows
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Eli Cottonwood - Sun, 24 May 2020 00:41:16 EST FpQEOx+c No.6398163 Reply
>>6398162

Tom's gimmick is saying things that will get a rise of Bryan. I wouldn't take anything he says too literally.
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Snitsky - Sun, 24 May 2020 01:28:30 EST uCKn6zsx No.6398176 Reply
>>6398156
He didn't say anything for so long at one point I thought they'd let him go
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Rocky Johnson - Sun, 24 May 2020 01:33:01 EST x8ohQNwM No.6398177 Reply
>Must See
Stadium Stampede
Jungle Boy/MJF

>Very Good
Moxley/Lee
Shida/Nyla
Brian Cage's debut

>Fine
Cody/Archer
Private Party/Best Friends

>Skip
Statlander/Ford (Match had no story and thus no heat. The actual work wasn't bad.)
Dustin/Spears
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Goldust - Sun, 24 May 2020 01:45:08 EST i384inau No.6398178 Reply
Still pissed about Cody winning over Archer
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Britani Knight - Sun, 24 May 2020 02:21:33 EST ZcoAes5B No.6398184 Reply
>>6398177
Dustin/Spears was a nothing match but I think it's worth watching just to see Spears's developing promo skills. He's really coming into his own as an excellent midcard heel, something AEW could use more of given their fairly stacked main event.
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Jessie McKay - Sun, 24 May 2020 03:00:42 EST cpQzPNnr No.6398191 Reply
>>6397950
>2020 Saturday night

yeah maybe he could go out to a bar or someth-OH
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The Artist Formerly Known as Prince Iaukea - Sun, 24 May 2020 03:27:24 EST z54f/jWb No.6398193 Reply
The Matt facts got a big fucking pop out of me and MJF vs. Jungle Boy was waaaay better than what I was expecting. I had MJF kinda categorized as a dude who can talk but is super bland and limited in the ring, I guess I was wrong.
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Jessie McKay - Sun, 24 May 2020 06:40:48 EST cpQzPNnr No.6398217 Reply
>>6397989
If this one of those "if a woman speaks as much as the man she is viewed as speaking too much?" things?
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Nick Papagiorgio - Sun, 24 May 2020 07:00:24 EST 9qZD4PUG No.6398219 Reply
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mad as fuck that i couldn't watch this live, very strong PPV, even better than Revolution, had something to please everyone

a few thoughts:

>CASINO LADDER MATCH: Darby Allin vs. Colt Cabana vs. Orange Cassidy vs. Joey Janela vs. Scorpio Sky vs. Kip Sabian vs. Frankie Kazarian vs. Luchasaurus vs. TBA (Mystery Entrant) - Winner receives future AEW World Championship Match.
hard to describe in details this kinda match because there's always tons of stuff going on, in short let's just say that it was a pretty funny and chaotic spotfest. janela replacing fenix sucks but he held his own during the match so i can't be mad at him, cassidy added a lot with his comedy and everyone else took some pretty big bumps. cage being the surprise entrant with tazz as a manager made me mark out, dude was incredible in impact and a match against moxley sounds fun, even if i wouldn't have him lose a high profile match this soon
only complaints? cabana was just kinda there the whole time and the closing spot sucked, would have sucked without the botch too

>Dustin Rhodes vs. Shawn Spears
more of a segment that a match, felt very old school. i wouldn't have much of negative to say about the story or the action itself but this retirement angle was very weird. if dustin was fine then why not just announce it? to make a surprise for spears? this feud lasted like 2 weeks, he's not been appearing for a long enough where his silence about it was weird and its not like he had an injury or anything and it was up in the air whether he could wrestle or not, the suspence for this match was a big too artificial for my tastes

>AEW TNT CHAMPIONSHIP MATCH: Cody vs. Lance Archer - Mike Tyson to present title to the winner.
dope match, simple as. cody is a mark, a bitch on twitter and a race mixer, but i'll never deny that the guy can work a multi layered match like few others and i respect that he's willing to take bumps like those. i was also afraid that the involvement of the managers and tyson was gonna be overbooked but i'm glad to say that it wasn't the case. so cody is a champion now, and this victory honestly felt very needed despite cody having such a strong record, i wanna see how this goes. btw that belt design is horrendous.

>MJF vs. Jungle Boy
the best mjf match ive seen to date, indies included. this feud was ice cold to me, jungle boy is the third wheel in jurassic express, which in tiself doesn't have a ton of momentum, and mjf going from cody to him made no sense whatsoever, BUT the match ruled, no question about it. always seen mjf as a very mediocre in ring worker but maybe there's more to him that we have yet to see

>Penelope Ford vs. Kris Statlander
i'll be 100% honest with you guys, i skipped this.

>AEW WOMEN'S WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP (NO DQ/NO COUNT-OUT): Nyla Rose (c) vs. Hikaru Shida
thank. god. shida was the champion this women's division needed since aew started and i'm glad it finally happened. with that said, nyla went out in style, gotta give her big credit on this, the match was really good and it wasn't just shida who was responsible for it, "always bet on black" was the best banter line of the show
kenny will have to hire a bunch of new women though, there's no heels for shida now. nyla's been taker care of, britt's out, bea is stuck in japan and penelope kinda sucks

>AEW WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP: Jon Moxley (c) vs. Brodie Lee
i don't really know what to think of this angle, one one hand the match delivered big time and brodie lee needed a breakout match to prove what he's really capable of outside of wwe, this was it. on the other hand how do you recover from this? he's been hyped for months, he's been fed only jobbers for his short time as an active wrestler, so it's not like his stock was that high to begin with, and you put him in a match for the world title immediately only for him to lose? i don't know, maybe they can find a way to spin this but i'm getting strong bray wyatt vibes from this booking

>STADIUM STAMPEDE MATCH: The Elite (Kenny Omega, Hangman Page, The Young Bucks and Matt Hardy) vs. Inner Circle (Chris Jericho, Jake Hager, Sammy Guevara, Santana, and Ortiz)
and there it is, there it fucking is! at first i was a bit bummed that this was taped, i expected something a lot more cinematic hearing the news and while i'm generally a fan i felt that this match needed to be more DDT style than that. luckily the match is like 99% pure wrestling with only a couple of edits for matt hardy and for some kino camera shorts. anyways this was insane, i don't laugh often out loud at wrestling but i did here a couple of times, and when the tone was more serious the action was just as creative. can't stress enough how good this was, a match of the year contender
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Jim Cornette - Sun, 24 May 2020 08:13:24 EST PvQ779Jo No.6398237 Reply
You know who was really great last night? Jon fucking Moxley

Dude is the modern day Piper
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Jim The Anvil Neidhart - Sun, 24 May 2020 09:33:48 EST 9pBjv6Rr No.6398253 Reply
>TNA Wrestler Lance Hoyt chokeslams jobber while Mike Tyson looks on and approves while Jake The Snake dances in the background

This is literally 2020
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sun, 24 May 2020 09:52:30 EST M1ahJWky No.6398259 Reply
I haven't watched this..was it as bad as people are saying? How was it without a crowd?
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Rocky Johnson - Sun, 24 May 2020 09:57:14 EST x8ohQNwM No.6398263 Reply
>>6398193
The Matt Fact was funny. Santana and Ortiz somehow reading it as though it popped up in real life made it amazing. So many moments in the match had me laughing out loud.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sun, 24 May 2020 10:03:15 EST M1ahJWky No.6398267 Reply
>>6398262
the thread here talking about cody, brodie etc.

the stampede thing sounds like it was good if it's like a TNA-style match
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Nick Papagiorgio - Sun, 24 May 2020 10:04:53 EST 9qZD4PUG No.6398269 Reply
>>6398267
nah, there was barely any cinematics, it was more like the tag match they had 2 weeks ago but on mega steroids
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Mass Transit - Sun, 24 May 2020 10:08:02 EST tMK6u3Gl No.6398273 Reply
>>6398267
Nah, it was great, you should watch it, only dustin vs spears was bad.
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Junkyard Dog - Sun, 24 May 2020 10:10:05 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398276 Reply
>>6398262
The only good match on the show was Jungle Boy/MJF and Stadium Stampede (If you count it a match).

Cody/Archer was OK I guess but it was too full of dumb as shit outside interference and was so slow and plodding. Cody got thrown around like he was remaking Passion of the Christ for 20 minutes. Really didn't need cuts to Tyson looking excited >>> bored as fuck as the match worse on. Was overly long, one sided. and wrong guy won an unfinished belt.

Mox/Brodie was OK till the finish. I don't fucking need a WWE style "Big bad heel kicks out of a finish at one after eating a finish through the wooden platform" shit. Then for him to kick out of a THIRD finish was fucking excessive. If you want to go with the choke-out finish do it after he kicks out following them escaping the broken platform.

All they had to do was have Mox put the choke in after the platform and have Brodie beat the dogshit out of him for 20-30 seconds. Mox never lets go and after staying away way longer than most should Brodie passes out, never giving up. Makes both guys look way tougher than exposing Moxley's finish


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Kevin Kelly - Sun, 24 May 2020 10:10:42 EST 3jkim9XD No.6398278 Reply
>>6398100
That spot was beyond stupid. It would have made at least some sense if somebody was on the bottom ladder....

....nobody was there and it looked like Darby went full emo mode instead of trying to actually win the match.
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Rocky Johnson - Sun, 24 May 2020 10:12:33 EST x8ohQNwM No.6398279 Reply
The Cody match, especially since he was going to win, was always going to be treated like it's "divisive" or whatever. People have been waiting for him to win a big match to be mad about it
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Junkyard Dog - Sun, 24 May 2020 10:25:34 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398287 Reply
>>6398279
So what are people not allowed to be unhappy Cody is going over a Monster new talent while running the MY DADDY nostalgia act for the 4th time already in a year?

Cody is OK but he has pretty shit matches. If they wanted to push him as a hard babyface they shouldn't have let him book that God awful "never challenge for the world title" stip on the FIRST MATCH OF A FEUD. Now it just feels like he is sitting in the upper midcard knocking down home grown/non WWE acts. I would have much rather see Darby v Archer for the TNT title.
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Sami Callihan - Sun, 24 May 2020 10:30:16 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6398290 Reply
>>6398279
>>6398287
I'm not sure what the TNT title is going to be but I would argue that Kenny needs a title more than Cody at this point.

With Kenny defending the TNT title, we could have an RVD ECW TV Champ/Mr Perfect IC champ/AJ Styles X Division champ "workhorse" division.

Cody works better for souther brawling, so he should have been in the Stampede match. It probably would have had a more serious/less comedic tone but whatever.
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Junkyard Dog - Sun, 24 May 2020 10:35:49 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398294 Reply
>>6398290
Hopefully Page sticks around for awhile so they can defend those belts. I get COVID is a disaster and all but MAYBE if your going to push "A focus on tag team wrestling" you should have the tag champs appear at least once together before the PPV.

They don't seem like the kind of guys who wouldn't be willing/not understand this so personally I would have stripped the belts and let the tag titles be used during those dire Georgia shows that had no direction. Once Page is comfortable being used week-to-week give Omega/Page a shot at them, and if they are planning on committing to them long term have them win them back.

Or just give Omega both belts. He is believable enough (or would be if they gave him serious feuds and not just random DDT matches)
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Rocky Johnson - Sun, 24 May 2020 10:40:32 EST x8ohQNwM No.6398295 Reply
>>6398287
Nobody has to like Cody, but the tone of the post kinda sounds like you intended to shit all over the match before it started. His last PPV match was a loss to the very much non-WWE MJF.

Tbh, Cody is 3-0 over Darby. Allin finally beating him and winning his first singles title is a better story than him beating Archer.
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Generalissimo Takada - Sun, 24 May 2020 11:00:38 EST Ap+75LoI No.6398304 Reply
I like OC but he completely killed that ladder match. Mox vs. Cage should be good tho.
Mox vs. Brodie was much better than it had any right to be
MJF vs. Jungle Boy will be main event in 5+ years, that match was very good. MJF improved a lot in the ring.
Cody vs. Archer was good and I don't mind Cody winning, though I have no idea what they want to do with Archer now.
Stampede was fun, you have to be a jaded cunt or on 'Stamford wife to hate on it. Page and Sammy were based as always.
Good 7/10 show, felt like a filler but I was still entertained.
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Tony Atlas - Sun, 24 May 2020 11:02:55 EST z+c6DKUE No.6398305 Reply
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>>6397891
I know it's a late post, but since switching over to the green streams, Nate Glass can't do shit about takedowns now.
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Sami Callihan - Sun, 24 May 2020 11:14:08 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6398308 Reply
Post-show news:

>Main news out of the press conference is they will be having a second Fyter Fest show, Moxley vs. Cage main event, date will be announced Wednesday. Plan was for London, but obviously everything is in Jacksonville for the time being. But that was the original UK debut.
https://twitter.com/davemeltzerWON/status/1264431038790422528

Not sure why they're doing Cage vs Mox so soon b/c it just telegraphs that Cage is not winning
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KAGETORA - Sun, 24 May 2020 11:18:18 EST cfOXxE22 No.6398311 Reply
That was fun as hell, and I loved that stadium match to top it off, everything involving Guevarra was gold

>Hangman chasing him with the horse
>The sprinkler waking him up
>Getting chased by the golf cart again
>NEO 1 debuting

I loved the bar scene, and the Hardy pool section too. Although it made me realise how different American sports stadiums are to European ones, seeing a swimming pool in view of the pitch is some crazy shit
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Mike Quackenbush - Sun, 24 May 2020 11:21:48 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6398313 Reply
Sammy Guevara is the MVP of AEW right now
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KAGETORA - Sun, 24 May 2020 12:47:39 EST cfOXxE22 No.6398346 Reply
The more I think on it, the more I loved that main event.

Given how depressing and shitty the last few months, and this week, have been it was exactly what everybody needed.

Wanted to upload some pictures of it, but my browser really doesn't like uploading pictures to /wooo/
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Taylor Wilde - Sun, 24 May 2020 13:17:21 EST C2cAAO1B No.6398355 Reply
>>6398314

Counter-signed. He's surprisingly been a highlight of a lot of good silly stuff in AEW, that and he's athletic as fuck.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sun, 24 May 2020 14:44:02 EST M1ahJWky No.6398389 Reply
Just saw the Stampede match. Pretty fun, lots of cool spots everywhere. dragged on a bit though. Four Stars .
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Al Wilson - Sun, 24 May 2020 14:47:36 EST Mk7/G5k3 No.6398391 Reply
Apparently Tony Khan in the post show media call said they are planning to possibly do a women's ladder match
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Andy Douglas - Sun, 24 May 2020 14:59:10 EST tzs2tHuX No.6398398 Reply
>>6398237
Yeah MOX was awesome last night and that will maybe go under the radar because of all the flashy stuff but him and Brodie had a good ass match.
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Andy Douglas - Sun, 24 May 2020 15:01:45 EST tzs2tHuX No.6398400 Reply
>>6398151
People are getting mad when you compare anything AEW has done to Japan so watch out.
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Mike Quackenbush - Sun, 24 May 2020 15:20:19 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6398407 Reply
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expert journalism from TZM
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Little Fiji - Sun, 24 May 2020 15:27:13 EST NFFSlLHU No.6398409 Reply
What the fuck is JR's problem with Statlander? He's talking about her 'size' every fucking time he sees her.
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Junkyard Dog - Sun, 24 May 2020 16:12:29 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6398431 Reply
>>6398391
>Putting the Women who are botching each other to death in a match type that punishes botches more

Pls not yet Tony.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Sun, 24 May 2020 16:43:18 EST M1ahJWky No.6398457 Reply
>>6398431
yeah, that's going to be fucking horrible especially in the atmosphere where everyone is looking to make a name for themselves by doing over the top bumps
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C-Higgy !lfsExjBfzE - Sun, 24 May 2020 21:33:40 EST +bTXA6lG No.6398577 Reply
Fuck I really need to watch this PPV especially for that Stadium Stampede match.
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Kimberly Page - Mon, 25 May 2020 00:10:00 EST 8kyTimBL No.6398615 Reply
Is there a decent replay online somewhere besides downloading a torrent on XWT?
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Blackjack Mulligan - Mon, 25 May 2020 01:03:30 EST d4zr+aUA No.6398632 Reply
>>6398615
you can use watchwrestling or youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pevBExlCNK0
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Perry Saturns Hairpiece !!2yqTh/Za - Mon, 25 May 2020 01:59:09 EST cajoPv45 No.6398641 Reply
>>6398162
>Tom is shoot fucking stupid isn't he?
I'm convinced he's legitimately retarded.
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Cody Rhodes - Mon, 25 May 2020 02:47:46 EST 7ZkLLCFc No.6398652 Reply
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Since this picture got passed around, not certain the origin, but this could be what the TNT Title is supposed to look like once it's finished.
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William Regal - Mon, 25 May 2020 03:06:32 EST 9qZD4PUG No.6398662 Reply
>>6398652
thats a big improvement for sure
the logos still feels awfully out of place, both AEW and TNT, but hey thats what they named the belt after so there's not much we can do about it
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Cody Rhodes - Mon, 25 May 2020 04:11:32 EST 7ZkLLCFc No.6398678 Reply
>>6398674
Damn. Well, here's to hoping the real thing looks mostly like that whenever it is finished.
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Percy Watson - Mon, 25 May 2020 20:32:55 EST 4p78Abvh No.6398968 Reply
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Just watched it. I cant get a screencap but Ortiz used Adobo to blind Omega instead of salt and I damn near doubled over with laughter. As a fellow Puerto Rican i'd reconize this bottle anywhere.

Santana and Ortiz are based
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Hacksaw Jim Duggan - Mon, 25 May 2020 20:36:53 EST GXHNtkkw No.6398974 Reply
>>6398968
>Ortiz used Adobo to blind Omega instead of salt
holy shit that's great
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Mon, 25 May 2020 21:05:58 EST jEGuiRVR No.6399001 Reply
>>6398968
I thought they were based in IMPACT but I thought they'd struggle in AEW without Konnan and figured they'd be just do the same gimmick but it wouldn't work as well.

Instead they've managed to become even more based and shown great charisma. You can easily buy them as street thugs who'll fuck you up but they've also dialed their personalities up to 11 and managed to stand out which is pretty hard for a tag team to do in a stable.
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LuFisto - Tue, 26 May 2020 04:31:12 EST rYVKX4Ck No.6399135 Reply
>>6398278
>It would have made at least some sense if somebody was on the bottom ladder....
Kaz was on the ladder when he jumped.
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Kana - Tue, 26 May 2020 06:11:26 EST H9QKrO0T No.6399143 Reply
>>6399089
They should keep this up until they eventually unlock a giant copy of "The Rock Says" to hit people with
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Sojournor Bolt - Tue, 26 May 2020 18:34:10 EST 8kyTimBL No.6399339 Reply
>>6399316
Care to give a tl;dr? Mostly his thoughts on the Stadium Stampede. Won't be assed to give those vids any views.
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John Bradshaw Layfield - Tue, 26 May 2020 19:16:37 EST jEGuiRVR No.6399363 Reply
>>6399339
I cba to give a complete run through but 5 minutes in he says he almost felt like apologising to Russo for saying he produced the worst wrestling he'd ever seen or heard of after seeing it and it was the worst aspects without 'the WWE production talent or budget'

I turned it off after that. Could tell he was in 'spout any old shit' mode where it just comes across like he's doing a bit.
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Seth Rollins - Tue, 26 May 2020 19:18:50 EST i384inau No.6399366 Reply
>>6399339
I imagine it's like literally every other one of his "reviews." Just Madlib it with with some terrible nicknames and childish insults.
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Atlantis - Tue, 26 May 2020 19:58:27 EST 9eA3Xp3/ No.6399409 Reply
>>6399339
Basically it's the worst shit that he has seen in his entire life, he's done with AEW, he's disappointed of what Jericho became and he doesn't want to talk with anyone involved on the match (and companny) for a long ass time.
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Matt Striker - Tue, 26 May 2020 20:13:36 EST NbxmdHMb No.6399417 Reply
>>6399410
He isn't wrong though. It is goofy shit. I don't understand why everything outside of Cody and MJF has to be goofy tongue in cheek nonsense at that company
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Smash - Tue, 26 May 2020 20:24:15 EST JDtHCmTG No.6399430 Reply
>>6399417
he is wrong and Cornette would probably have gotten his fans to tell Hana Kimura to kill herself if Cornette saw her wrestle
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Matt Striker - Tue, 26 May 2020 20:26:45 EST NbxmdHMb No.6399431 Reply
>>6399430
That has nothing to do with what I said and it's an assumption. You're making shit up to criticize him. Not everyone likes goofy bullshit.
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Ken Patera - Tue, 26 May 2020 20:29:12 EST d+HdnJ+3 No.6399433 Reply
>>6399417
Kenny likely thinks DDT is unironically funny, and wants to bring their slapstick to the Americas.
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Matt Striker - Tue, 26 May 2020 20:35:42 EST NbxmdHMb No.6399436 Reply
>>6399433
That's cool and all but if I'm watching The Godfather and a Three Stooges bit happens after Michael gets shot up I'm going to say the movie was fucking dumb for doing it.

If you want DDT then get DDT on TV. The fact Kenny a grown ass man named his finish after Sephiroth shows me he is a man child. I wish he stayed just in New Japan.
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Tokyo Magnum - Tue, 26 May 2020 20:41:11 EST yejhi1iw No.6399440 Reply
>>6399431
Wow, good to know this board still hasn't learned their lesson after Hana Kimura and are still condoning wrestlers being harassed
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Kevin Kelly - Tue, 26 May 2020 20:42:45 EST tzs2tHuX No.6399442 Reply
>>6399440
I think this convo just took a stupid turn. Why is Hana being brought into this?
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Tokyo Magnum - Tue, 26 May 2020 20:44:49 EST yejhi1iw No.6399446 Reply
>>6399442
If this people wants Cornette and his fanbase harass wrestlers to kill themselves like Hana Kmura, its on their conscious
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Kevin Kelly - Tue, 26 May 2020 20:49:21 EST tzs2tHuX No.6399448 Reply
>>6399446
Nobody thinks that or wants that. You just made that up in your head.
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Tokyo Magnum - Tue, 26 May 2020 20:50:18 EST yejhi1iw No.6399449 Reply
>>6399448
or maybe Cornette shouldn't be sending fans to harass wrestlers then
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Tokyo Magnum - Tue, 26 May 2020 20:56:21 EST yejhi1iw No.6399453 Reply
>>6399450
https://www.prowrestlingsheet.com/nwa-jim-cornette-suicide-prevention/#.XdbDn2RGRkw

>

This all stems from Jim Cornette once saying former PROGRESS announcer Jim Smallman should be hung over the way he dressed at an event. PROGRESS EP Glen Joseph reminded his followers of this and Cornette replied “Write it down & shove it up your ass so it’s always close to you. You & the disheveled-looking hobo bum ring announcer are the most sensitive butthurt people I’ve ever seen.”
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Kristal - Tue, 26 May 2020 21:01:59 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399454 Reply
>>6399440
When I asked if "a certain someone" would learn his lesson after Hana I primarily meant Cornette, because his hyperbolic bullshit generally leads to his idiot fans dogpiling on whoever he calls out. And that doesn't even get into instances of him outright bullying people like the G-Raver lawsuit. Cornette is a major contributor to the toxic bullshit swirling around wrestling to the point where I don't think anyone is going to book him for a long time.
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Kevin Kelly - Tue, 26 May 2020 21:10:00 EST tzs2tHuX No.6399457 Reply
>>6399453
I don't like Cornette either but it's a real stretch to bring up Hana to use it against him right now. I think you're just veering away from the topic.
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Kristal - Tue, 26 May 2020 21:26:28 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399463 Reply
>>6399457
I don't think it's unfair. Cornette is one of the worst agitators when it comes to wrestling social media. His criticism consistently veers into personal attacks and unfair hyperbole in a way that stirs up and provokes people to swarm others. People associate him with his fans' shitty behavior more than anything else.
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Jushin Thunder Liger - Tue, 26 May 2020 21:58:07 EST ref4+Q+g No.6399481 Reply
>>6399454
Lol. Yeah trolls didn't exist before Cornette. You should look at old wrestling forum archives from the late 90s.

You call what he did to G-Raver BULLYING? The fucking guy had his image being mutilated on a fucking shirt. Which is infringement and far worse than calling someone a fucking idiot garbage wrestler.
For some reason you all think he wants to be booked in promotions when he hates traveling and hates the bullshit that goes with it. You all act like he's desperate for money. He sure isn't.

Cornette didn't cause WWE or those awful stan twitter accounts that are actually 'toxic'
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Kaitlyn - Tue, 26 May 2020 22:06:03 EST jRNIbdSI No.6399485 Reply
>>6399481
he is still part of the problem and having his fans harass wrestlers though
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Jushin Thunder Liger - Tue, 26 May 2020 22:08:22 EST ref4+Q+g No.6399489 Reply
>>6399485
Please show me a tweet from him directing his fans to message a person a lot.

We have a president of the united states saying a TV host killed an intern. I think toxicity is coming from places more vast than Jim fucking Cornette
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TAKA Michinoku - Tue, 26 May 2020 22:27:42 EST v+E41uU7 No.6399493 Reply
Of course you twits bring her up for no reason.

I'm not gonna sit here and say Cornette is 100% wrong even if I laughed at some of the things they did. To think all they had to do was take out Cody and replace him with Matt Hardy in order to turn a fucking faction vs faction power struggle into a complete clownshow. Unsurprisingly his 2-hours of screentime with no cuts was when it went downhill as an actual fight.
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Kristal - Tue, 26 May 2020 22:47:39 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399500 Reply
>>6399481
>Which is infringement and far worse than calling someone a fucking idiot garbage wrestler.
You're overlooking the part where Cornette said "I wish he actually died" in response to a freak accident where G-Raver could have in fact died. Cornette wished death upon someone because he didn't approve of G-Raver's wrestling style. And by your own admission G-Raver used Cornette's image in a transformative manner which is clearly protected by fair use in the same way a mutilated mickey mouse shirt would be. Cornette is basically filing a SLAPP taking advantage of the fact that federal trademark court doesn't have anti-SLAPP institutions, because he wants to punish G-Raver for daring to speak out against him. It's the most blatantly obvious legal bullying out there.

Also, again, who is going to book Cornette when he's persona-non-grata for the entire indie scene, has alienated all the major companies, and lasted only a handful of weeks in the NWA for getting fired? He can say he quit wrestling all he wants but the reality is that the business told him to fuck off, some people quite literally saying those words.

>>6399489
Every single quote tweet. It's social media dogpiling 101. You quote-RT a thing with some derisive insults so all of your shithead followers can go and attack the OP in the replies of their post. You're shining the spotlight on someone so people can mob them. And there's no way you can say with a straight face that Cornette doesn't know this is going to happen, that he's unaware of what happens to the mentions of people he does this to. He makes zero effort to mitigate it or even pretend to care. Instead he basically spends his entire podcast personally attacking wrestlers in a way beyond the professional criticism other people do and vigorously demonizes and dehumanizes them in such a way that would obviously encourage his fans to do this. And he gets away with all of this because he knows the only way social media mods will react is if you explicitly tell people to go and harass someone.
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Kevin Kelly - Tue, 26 May 2020 22:48:40 EST tzs2tHuX No.6399501 Reply
>Everyone loves the main event
>old people and fat nerds hate it

wow
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Jungle Grrrl - Tue, 26 May 2020 22:57:45 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399504 Reply
>>6399501
I had fun with it but none of Broken Matt's stuff is landing with me.
Also while it was a fun viewing experience, I don't think you can go to that well and it's important to see how they follow it up
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Retail Dragon - Tue, 26 May 2020 23:13:56 EST zVSMKZyQ No.6399511 Reply
>>6399500
>You're overlooking the part where Cornette said "I wish he actually died"
It's extreme hyperbole. It's Cornette. He has explained this before regarding how no he literally doesn't want to boil Omega alive.
Also his "wrestling style"? Come on.

No that wasn't 'fair use'. I can't make a shirt that says fuck Mickey Mouse with a picture of Mickey and sell it. If it was fair use they would still be allowed to sell it. I love how people on the internet are somehow all legal experts.
G-Raver should have done what Cornette did with the pissing on Russo's grave shirt.

>Also, again, who is going to book Cornette when he's persona-non-grata for the entire indie scene
Why do you all think he WANTS to be booked? He gets the calls, not the other way around. Every last major company that had him CALLED HIM to help their promotion. WWE was fine using him to induct the Rock and Roll express. The dude hates to travel too.
Why the fuck would he want to work for anyone where shit will drive him insane?

>Quote tweet
Lmfao a quote tweet isn't telling people to go harass someone. Jesus christ. After reading this tripe I sure agree somewhat that so many people are fucking soft.
If Nia Jax hurt Kairi Sane again yes I'm going to call her an unsafe moron

Like fuck if you want a 'less toxic' internet all the chan sites and forums should be banned and no comment section should exist anywhere.
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Jeff Jarrett - Tue, 26 May 2020 23:19:20 EST xOyCk9xy No.6399512 Reply
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>>6399511
>>6399500
>You're overlooking the part where Cornette said "I wish he actually died"
>>It's extreme hyperbole. It's Cornette. He has explained this before regarding how no he literally doesn't want to boil Omega alive.
Also his "wrestling style"? Come on.
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Sonny Onoo - Tue, 26 May 2020 23:26:40 EST n9eKBgQH No.6399515 Reply
>>6399511
> It's extreme hyperbole. It's Cornette. He has explained this before regarding how no he literally doesn't want to boil Omega alive.
Oh so it's kind of like how he talks about how he'll beat people up or slap them unconscious but when they show up to confront him, he'll cower and call security. Got it
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Kristal - Tue, 26 May 2020 23:26:55 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399516 Reply
>>6399511
>It's extreme hyperbole. It's Cornette. He has explained this before regarding how no he literally doesn't want to boil Omega alive.
Okay, so it was still hyperbole in extremely poor taste given how, again G-Raver was seriously hurt and could have in fact actually died.

>Also his "wrestling style"? Come on.
Deathmatch wrestling is a legitimate form of professional wrestling. Cornette is quite literally the only voice today saying it's not.

>I can't make a shirt that says fuck Mickey Mouse with a picture of Mickey and sell it.
You 100% can if you use it in a transformative enough manner such as for the purpose of commentary. If you substantially altered Mickey's image to accentuate your point that would only put you further in the clear.

>Lmfao a quote tweet isn't telling people to go harass someone.
Not explicitly, but it's 100% common knowledge that that is how it works implicitly. Are you going to tell me with a straight face that people who do this have no idea that it always ends in a social media pile-on? Or are you just gonna ignore the Hana elephant and just dismiss everyone as "soft"?
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Retail Dragon - Tue, 26 May 2020 23:38:16 EST zVSMKZyQ No.6399522 Reply
>>6399515
>>6399512
Yes it is hyperbole. Have you never been so angry that you said "I'll kill you" to someone? For fuck's sake this is a dude who famously flipped out in a DQ drive thru.
Dude has anger issues.
>>6399516
>Okay, so it was still hyperbole in extremely poor taste given how, again G-Raver was seriously hurt and could have in fact actually died.
And? If someone drank bleach because the president said it will cure COVID and they die would you not call them fucking stupid?

>You 100% can if you use it in a transformative enough manner
EXACTLY. Which the Fuck Cornette shit WAS NOT. Compare it to the shirt he sold pissing on Russo's grave. Russo's name was covered up but we all know it's his name.
>100% common knowledge that that is how it works implicitly
So how can people with a lot of followers reply to anyone or call them out for anything? No you are not responsible for what other people online do. He never explicitly said to go after anyone. I see this shit everywhere and it's just used to mute actual criticism especially on shitty takes that get ratioed. Let me know when Cornette says people should go to the Buck's house to burn it to the ground.

>Deathmatch wrestling
Plenty of people in and out of wrestling hate that shit. And for good reason since guys like G Raver almost died. He also has a major gripe for how Kentucky restricts wrestling now due to what Ian Rotten did.
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Bruno Sammartino - Wed, 27 May 2020 00:09:03 EST PPc0gdwd No.6399527 Reply
>>6399522
>Have you never been so angry that you said "I'll kill you" to someone?
That is how a person speaks seconds before they get into an actual fist fight with someone else who is also screaming at them

It is not something you say while sitting on your fat ass recording a podcast. "Oh but the nasty, obnoxious, insulting thing he said don't count because he was angry to an inexplicable degree for some kooky reason" is not a good or reasonable defence. What, does Cornette being angry mean he gets to say things the rest of us would never say just because we're not flipping our lids like children?

"Yes I called your mother a cunt honey, but it you have to understand, I was angry so it doesn't count and you can't be insulted by it. GET OVER IT, GOD. It's not a big deal, not matter how much your mother was upset by it. It's just the way I am and you have to accept my behaviour"
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Sonny Onoo - Wed, 27 May 2020 00:21:11 EST n9eKBgQH No.6399531 Reply
>>6399522
> Have you never been so angry that you said "I'll kill you" to someone?
Not consistently for decades over silly shit, no. Then again, Cornette himself has said his anger is a bad gimmick anyways
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Howard Finkel - Wed, 27 May 2020 00:41:22 EST i384inau No.6399538 Reply
>>6399522
>For fuck's sake this is a dude who famously flipped out in a DQ drive thru.
Yeah this doesn't help your case at all. Cornette is legitimately mentally ill.
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Retail Dragon - Wed, 27 May 2020 00:51:49 EST zVSMKZyQ No.6399542 Reply
>>6399527
By the way I never said it excused him. You gonna sue him or something for being mean?
>>6399531
Plenty of people who know him have said it isn't a gimmick
>>6399538
Then you know he isn't literally wanting someone to die. Why are you attacking a mentally ill person? What a bully you are
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Kevin Kelly - Wed, 27 May 2020 03:20:11 EST tzs2tHuX No.6399554 Reply
>>6399504
Good thing broken matt was such a small role. I liked this more than every cinematic wwe thing so far
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Drew McIntyre - Wed, 27 May 2020 03:36:56 EST cfOXxE22 No.6399556 Reply
Seriously wish there was a way to filter posts containing certain words on here.

Could not give less of a shit about Cornette saying "No fun allowed, anybody who likes fun should kill themselves" for the 100000th time
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Kristal - Wed, 27 May 2020 03:39:29 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399557 Reply
>>6399522
>If someone drank bleach because the president said it will cure COVID and they die would you not call them fucking stupid?
No, I'd actually feel really bad for them and their loved ones and I would show some respect because I am an emotionally well-adjusted human being.
>Which the Fuck Cornette shit WAS NOT. Compare it to the shirt he sold pissing on Russo's grave. Russo's name was covered up but we all know it's his name.
You have no idea what "transformative" means in this context. It's not about obscuring the trademark beyond recognition, it's about altering it enough to the point where you are using the trademark as part of an original expression rather than blindly copying it. Again, this is exactly why you can do the same thing with Mickey Mouse. The only reason more people don't do it is because the process of defending yourself in court is extremely expensive: it's effectively a SLAPP but because there's no federal anti-SLAPP legislation you can get away with it.
>Plenty of people in and out of wrestling hate that shit.
The vast majority of people who don't like deathmatch wrestling still agree it's a valid genre of pro wrestling and respectfully agree to disagree with deathmatch aficionados. Cornette is the only notable figure saying deathmatch wrestling isn't real wrestling and deathmatch wrestlers/promotions should be shunned by the wrestling world at large. It's not that he disapproves of the genre, it's that he despises it to an insane and irrational degree and can't act like a fucking adult.
>guys like G Raver almost died.
But he's stupid, so fuck him, right? Fake attempts at sympathy aside, the reality is deathmatch wrestling is no deadlier than any other genre. Deathmatch wrestling doesn't have a disproportionately larger fatality/injury rate than puro, lucha, shoot style, etc.
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Hector Guerrero - Wed, 27 May 2020 03:54:13 EST rYVKX4Ck No.6399560 Reply
>>6399409
Basically it's the worst shit that he has seen in his entire life, he's done with AEW,
Right. Sure he is.
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Ron Garvin - Wed, 27 May 2020 05:36:58 EST NQLCELKx No.6399566 Reply
>>6399560
At this point with Jim Cornette and AEW, he's the podcaster version of when sensationalist garbage journalism runs stories and headlines that they know will get hate clicks.
More power to him because if you actually check any of his videos, it almost unanimously consists of people saying they came there to hear his thoughts/rants because they knew he'd hate it (because he's that predictable).
It's like a self fulfilling prophecy of sorts.
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The People - Wed, 27 May 2020 05:59:37 EST DIKFKCIe No.6399569 Reply
>>6399417
>I don't understand why everything outside of Cody and MJF has to be goofy tongue in cheek nonsense at that company
It's not...? Literally the only other comedy acts in the company are the Librarians (which in canon is a shit gimmick), and Best Friends. Hell, just look at the DON results and there's only three matches with comedy in it: The main (a weird, goofy, harmless affair), the ladder match (due to OC), and whatever the fuck the Dustin/Shawn Spears shit was. That's hardly "everything outside of Cody and MJF".
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Maven - Wed, 27 May 2020 08:09:28 EST JNY81g6v No.6399586 Reply
>>6399569
>only three matches with comedy in it: The main (a weird, goofy, harmless affair), the ladder match (due to OC), and whatever the fuck the Dustin/Shawn Spears shit was

That's a lot for one show. Potentially too much.
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Nicole Bass - Wed, 27 May 2020 08:36:38 EST sQgGaxom No.6399591 Reply
>>6399586
One of those was a 3 minute squash match, and the other was like 2-3 spots in a multi man ladder match
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Maven - Wed, 27 May 2020 08:54:11 EST JNY81g6v No.6399593 Reply
>>6399591
I don't feel like doing the nitpicking defense thing. It's still too much especially if the Main event stable feud blowoff is played for laughs
And the Spears segment was wwe dumb and a waste of ppv time.
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Ernie Ladd - Wed, 27 May 2020 09:28:37 EST AN6ZLj+v No.6399600 Reply
>>6399593
Stadium Stampede is not the Blowoff for Elite v Inner Circle. The announcers ever refer to the Elite's win a "a win for now". The blowoff will always be the War Games match, they are just trying to buy as much time as possible for it because they want it to be in front of a crowd.
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TAKA Michinoku - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:08:42 EST v+E41uU7 No.6399604 Reply
>>6399569
3 matches is already too many. One of those matches being your main faction war is is inexcusably shit
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Val Venis - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:11:33 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6399605 Reply
>>6399600
>The blowoff will always be the War Games match, they are just trying to buy as much time as possible for it because they want it to be in front of a crowd.
I understand that, but I think feud work best when they have their own organic momentum and build to a natural blowoff.

When you try to extend a feud for whatever reason (usually to force extra gimmick matches) it turns into bullshit. The longer they keep Wargames on the backburner and try to re-insert it whenever there's a crowd, the more forced it feels.
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Abdullah the Butcher - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:16:39 EST BxsoGG2K No.6399607 Reply
>>6399605
>but I think feud work best when they have their own organic momentum and build to a natural blowoff.
nothing organic is happening in wrestling right now and won't happen until there's crowds.
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Conor O'Brian - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:20:03 EST VbwA2ibK No.6399608 Reply
AEW was wrong by making their main feud a comedy shitfest.
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Val Venis - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:29:06 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6399611 Reply
>>6399607
right and that's a shame, but maybe it's best for them to just move ahead? Tough luck to the Inner Circle and the Elite, but they're going to be fine and will have so many other iconic moments to celebrate.

Imagine if WWE decided to postpone Wrestlemania so Brock and Drew or AJ and Taker moved onto other stuff but they kept referring to those feuds resuming "at some point in the future."

IMO they should have either had Stadium Stampede be the blowoff OR pull the trigger and do Wargames without an audience. I know that's odd but this is a time to take creative risks and re-think how to film it, how to pace it, etc. AEW, Impact and even WWE have found ways to make entertaining no-audience "cinematic" matches. It's not impossible to make an entertaining cinematic cage match.

If they're holding Wargames until they have a filled arena... but arenas are not able to be filled until next year, that seems like an awfully long time to kick the can down the road. And if Florida decides to say "fuck it" and jam pack their arenas before the end of the summer, so AEW decide to hold it in a filled-to-the-brim COVID-19 Jacksonville vector, it's going to cast a shitty cloud over the whole thing.

The first Wargames with a crowd will always be a draw and a crowd pleaser no matter who is in it. Maybe Death Triangle or the Dark Order have a stable feud in spring 2021 that's hot enough for the first Wargames with a crowd... why not give them the rub when the momentum is natural and organic?
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Nicole Bass - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:45:45 EST sQgGaxom No.6399617 Reply
>>6399608
Mox vs Brodie or Cody vs Archer was their main feud though?

Isn't it funny how the reception to the PPV was nearly entirely positive with people talking across the internet about how much they enjoyed it, and got their spirits up given the shitty events of recent weeks and months.

Now half a week later, the day after Cornette does his usual bitchfest, there's all of a sudden people appearing to shit on it
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Chris Jericho - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:52:34 EST jEGuiRVR No.6399618 Reply
>>6399617
Well obviously. You can't expect haters to come up with their own criticisms. Just wait until someone else comes up with theirs and parrot them.
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Jimmy Hart - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:59:41 EST 32sFGwNn No.6399622 Reply
>>6399617
>Mox vs Brodie or Cody vs Archer was their main feud though?
...No?

>>6399618
>You can't expect haters to come up with their own criticisms
The retards bringing up Hana and G Raver are the only ones here proving that
>haters
18+
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Val Venis - Wed, 27 May 2020 10:59:46 EST jCH8J3Fu No.6399623 Reply
>>6399621
yes they are. criticism can actually be communicated reasonably; its not always the most extreme inflammatory shitflinging. and again people have been saying "aew does too much goofy stuff" for awhile; it's not just cornette zombies waiting for his dogwhistle.
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Nicole Bass - Wed, 27 May 2020 11:09:17 EST sQgGaxom No.6399624 Reply
>>6399622
... Yes.

If you've been watching AEW every week it's incredibly clear their title feud has been the main focus
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Michael Elgin - Wed, 27 May 2020 11:14:30 EST x8ohQNwM No.6399626 Reply
Cornette stans are the dirt worst part of wrestling nb
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TAKA Michinoku - Wed, 27 May 2020 11:18:20 EST v+E41uU7 No.6399627 Reply
>>6399624
He's not Big Show in 99 but his shit has been second fiddle to the stable war.
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Kristal - Wed, 27 May 2020 12:22:04 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399643 Reply
>>6399620
The majority of the posts are "well it's not perfect but it's still good." Contrast that to Cornette's insane take that the whole thing was irredeemable garbage. Once again, all signs point towards Cornette being horribly out of touch.
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Jungle Grrrl - Wed, 27 May 2020 12:54:12 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399649 Reply
>>6399643
ok? the reason these posts were cited was because of the claim that criticism only came after Cornette's podcast. i'm just exhausted with the cornette strawman/boogeyman.

everyone knows what game he's playing by now; if you don't like it, just ignore. there's no point in re-litigating his agenda. no one is saying anything new and there's actual reasonable about the pros and cons of AEW that gets ignored in favor of the played out Corny debate.
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Kevin Kelly - Wed, 27 May 2020 13:21:05 EST tzs2tHuX No.6399655 Reply
>>6399649
Is this another episode of Blrg dies on the sword to defend Jim fucking Cornette and complain about AEW at the same time?
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Jungle Grrrl - Wed, 27 May 2020 13:38:55 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399668 Reply
>>6399655
no? i like cornette as a performer but even i am sick of this same conversation going on and on ad nauseum.
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El Oriental - Wed, 27 May 2020 14:00:14 EST 35I8LAXy No.6399680 Reply
>>6399649
> everyone knows what game he's playing by now; if you don't like it, just ignore
It got posted in the thread as easy bait which is how this whole convo got started
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Jungle Grrrl - Wed, 27 May 2020 14:03:06 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399681 Reply
>>6399680
yeah i can tell. if someone doesn't like Cornette, then don't take the easy bait? that seems simple enough to me.

i haven't even listened to his aew reviews in awhile; is he still being reasonable about stuff he likes, like MJF? Or is it all just "die in a fire" hyperbole? Cuz if it's the latter, what is left to analyze?
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El Oriental - Wed, 27 May 2020 14:07:45 EST 35I8LAXy No.6399682 Reply
>>6399681
Last I remember MJF was on some "mud show" promotion he didn't like and he said he was done with him forever now that he lost respect for him. This was like late 2019 so who the fuck knows if he switched from wanting to kill the guy to being his fan again
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Alex Shelley - Wed, 27 May 2020 14:27:28 EST dv4tkvOi No.6399684 Reply
>>6399677
Given how his fans snitch tag and then harass wrestlers Cornette doesn't like on Twitter, I say its completely true and they are just as bad as the people that lead to Hana killing herself
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Smash - Wed, 27 May 2020 14:32:49 EST JDtHCmTG No.6399686 Reply
>>6399454
Completely agreed and guarantee you Cornette reviewed a Hana match, Cornette would take pleasure that Hana killed herself
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Jungle Grrrl - Wed, 27 May 2020 14:34:51 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399687 Reply
>>6399684
That is a serious accusation to make.
Have Cornette stans made death threats to wrestlers? I don't know and I'm genuinely asking.
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Jungle Grrrl - Wed, 27 May 2020 14:36:18 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399688 Reply
>>6399686
Cornette has said plenty of inflammatory shit, there's no need to set up a strawman like that.
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Tiger Jeet Singh - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:10:14 EST 8WhmD2Dc No.6399700 Reply
>>6399696
>>6399698
Then maybe Cornette and his fanbase should take a long good look in the mirror and learn from what happened to Hana and stop harassing and threatening wrestlers that Cornette doesn't like then.
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Rikidozan - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:11:50 EST ise8MexP No.6399701 Reply
>>6399699
Yeah, like Hana Kimura, she should have had a thicker skin and not killed herself
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Kristal - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:14:14 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399702 Reply
>>6399649
No one is claiming criticism of the match only came from Cornette, because what Cornette does isn't actually "criticism", it's mindless hyperbolic hate. I don't care for the WWE style, but I don't say the WWE style isn't legitimate pro wrestling and that any WWE-style promotion should be shut down. And no, you don't just ignore this shit, you put your foot down and make it clear that it's not welcome or accepted. This is the kind of shit you take a stand against.

>>6399687
Again, the G-Raver tweet is one of the most egregious examples where Cornette did unironically wish death on a wrestler because he hated his style of wrestling, and that was a product of Cornette's fans snitch-tagging him.
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MECHA Mummy - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:20:12 EST Z2qdxk5n No.6399703 Reply
>>6399681
"If you don't like him please ignore him"
>Man yells at the top of his lungs all over the IWC and gets reshared by his droves of drooling fans
"Why are you not ignoring him! Geeze the old man who constantly says shitty things and hates everything is not the problem. It's you!

It's the same shitty argument people say when WWE gets criticized. "Just ignore WWE bro"
>hires all your favorite talent from around the world and dumps them in a development brand run by The King Of Simps
>Keeps doing inhumane bullshit that effects the entire wrestling world as a whole
>creates a world where if you say you like wrestling people assume you like shitty ass WWE
"Just ignore it dude! WWE isn't the problem! It's you!"

This isn't how the world works. If someone took a dump in front of my house every day and I got mad at him I swear you would come telling me that I should just ignore him.
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Retail Dragon - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:20:45 EST zVSMKZyQ No.6399704 Reply
>>6399700
You know Vince McMahon is far worse than anything Cornette has said?
>>6399701
Hana was a 22 year old girl dealing with a rabid sexist culture. The Bucks and Omega are grown ass men.

>>6399702
No he didn't literally want him to die.

Like far worse shit has been said on this very website and others and y'all are obsessed with Cornette. Absolutely pathetic. Just tell him to fuck off and move on
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Retail Dragon - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:22:40 EST zVSMKZyQ No.6399705 Reply
>>6399703
He 'yells' on his podcast you have to actually access yourself. So yes you can ignore him. I sure don't listen to a lot of shit I don't care for.

You sure as hell can ignore him.
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Kevin Kelly - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:25:06 EST tzs2tHuX No.6399708 Reply
Remember how Cornette threatened to murder Vince Russo and people who were close to Russo were legit scared for him? Cornette has 2 or 3 good wrestling takes out every 30. Listen to who you want but fuck him and if you think is fanbase isn't toxic as fuck you are wrong. Bringing up Hana was really stupid ITT but Cornette fans do snitch tag and go after everyone he doesn't like to a point where it's obnoxious at the least and harassment at the most.

>>6399704
Cornette and Vince are both pieces of shit.
>>6399703
This is accurate
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Bastion Booger - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:31:32 EST N4yf+LgQ No.6399710 Reply
>>6399708
Who has Cornette killed with a reckless stunt? Distributed steroids? Cornette wants wrestlers to be employees, Vince doesn't. Vince cut the deal with Saudi Arabia. Give me a break.
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Kevin Kelly - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:33:22 EST tzs2tHuX No.6399712 Reply
>>6399710
Woah you are talking to the wrong guy. I shit on Vince all the time. He is ten times worse than Cornette. Just pointing out that yes they are both pieces of shit.
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Retail Dragon - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:34:30 EST zVSMKZyQ No.6399713 Reply
>>6399708
Remember when Russo got a shoot fight tournament booked that injured everyone? But Cornette 'said' something
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Retail Dragon - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:35:57 EST zVSMKZyQ No.6399714 Reply
>>6399712
One has actually harmed people and one hasn't. Yeah you are equating the two.
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Kevin Kelly - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:38:23 EST tzs2tHuX No.6399716 Reply
Saying Omega should have his throat slit ear to ear for wrestling the 9 year old was a pretty sweet gimmick. Cornettes so funny xD
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Kevin Kelly - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:40:24 EST tzs2tHuX No.6399717 Reply
>>6399714
Didn';t know I need to whip out my tier list of pieces of shit in wrestling for you. They are both assholes. One should be in jail. The other is just an asshole. I agree with you except you probably think Cornette isn't an asshole at all.
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Retail Dragon - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:49:47 EST zVSMKZyQ No.6399724 Reply
>>6399717
No I know Cornette is a goof and a prick. But this sad whiny complaining about him is just sad. Yes by simply dismissing both as assholes you totally ignore what these guys actually did.

Sorry but 'toxic' fans existed long before Cornette.
>>6399716
It's like you just discovered him
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Jungle Grrrl - Wed, 27 May 2020 15:52:28 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399725 Reply
>>6399703
>If someone took a dump in front of my house every day and I got mad at him I swear you would come telling me that I should just ignore him

That is not the same thing as seeking out Cornette's opinions on the internet. Cornette is not in your literal physical space.

Block his twitter account. Put the people that spam his youtube videos on "ignore"
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Taz - Wed, 27 May 2020 16:17:33 EST jJJk49p/ No.6399731 Reply
>>6399724
So basically your logic is that its fine for Cornette to spew out hatred and death threats to people because "'he's joking"

With that logic, I guess it was fine for people to tell Hana Kimura to kill herself because they were "joking" and "toxic fans existed before them"
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Kristal - Wed, 27 May 2020 16:36:19 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399754 Reply
>>6399704
>You know Vince McMahon is far worse than anything Cornette has said?
That's some straight up DARVO shit. We're talking about Cornette being toxic, Vince has nothing to do with this.

>Hana was a 22 year old girl dealing with a rabid sexist culture. The Bucks and Omega are grown ass men.
The expectation that men should have to just suck up any and all hate and harassment they get and deal with it is objectively sexist. If it's not okay to do to Hana it's not okay to do to anyone.

>No he didn't literally want him to die.
Oh, so he was just being hyperbolic and joking about a freak accident that nearly killed a wrestler? And then when said wrestler got angry and fired back his response was to try and sue him into bankruptcy? Again, there is literally no defense for Cornette's actions here or anywhere else.

>>6399710
For the millionth fucking time: Vince being shitty doesn't absolve Cornette of being shitty. Both parties can be bad, stop trying to use Vince to deflect criticism of Cornette.

>>6399725
Or we could call him out for being a toxic piece of shit and actively make him and his fans unwelcome here. I think that option is a lot better. "Just ignore it bro!" is how half the boards over on the other *chan sites are fucking unusable, because people "just ignored" the shitheels from you-know-where and they gradually just took over the board. Cornette apologia at this point is just as bad as Nyla Rose shitstirring in terms of how it should be 100% unwelcome on /wooo/.
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Lenny Lane - Wed, 27 May 2020 16:39:48 EST Gr+wzuuK No.6399756 Reply
>>6399731
>your logic
This phrase needs to be banned world wide
And no show me where I said it was ok
Weird how people defend comedians doing the exact same shit.

But you idiots are actually trying to blame all of this on Cornette. I don't think he causes that other chan site with a wrestling board to act like it does.
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Jungle Grrrl - Wed, 27 May 2020 16:43:23 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399758 Reply
>>6399754
>Or we could make his fans unwelcome here
and how is this achieved in a non-toxic way?

>"Just ignore it bro!" is how half the boards over on the other *chan sites are fucking unusable, because people "just ignored" the shitheels from you-know-where and they gradually just took over the board. Cornette apologia at this point is just as bad as Nyla Rose shitstirring in terms of how it should be 100% unwelcome on /wooo/.
I feel like you're conflating two different things in an inflammatory way

If someone is being anti trans and shitposting about Nyla, or posting racist/bigoted stuff or making death threats or wishing injury upon someone or just posting general NSFW imagery - report them to the mods that's what they're here for and Celt & Higgy get rid of that shit with the quickness.

But this is starting to veer into "an asshole's opinion that i don't like is the same as hate speech and should be banned"
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Lenny Lane - Wed, 27 May 2020 16:45:39 EST Gr+wzuuK No.6399759 Reply
>>6399754
Y'all are trying to blame Hana's death on Cornette and that is bullshit. Criticize him for actual reasons.
Yes he was being hyperbolic which everyone does. This has been explained.
He didn't try to sue him into bankruptcy. That's a blatant lie by you. He issued a cease and desist of him trying to make money off of his image.

Lol yeah man Vince and Cornette are shitty like how someone who smokes weed and someone who is a murderer are both 'criminals'.

Y'all are absolute whiny children who can't ignore an angry old man on twitter then try to blame a death of a wrestler on him when he has NEVER said anything about Hana and it was shitty reality TV fans who attacked her.

Yes just ignore him. Block his account. It isn't hard. Such entitlement.
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Pokka !!4vMEXnV5 - Wed, 27 May 2020 16:47:41 EST M1ahJWky No.6399761 Reply
>>6399754
>men should have to just suck up any and all hate and harassment they get

How is Cornette any different to someone like Bryan Alvarez reviewing a wrestling show and going on an "epic rant" about how bad someone is?

I don't know. there's probably a line somewhere where critique turns into harrassment but I think we need a clearer definition of where that line is first.
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Sonny Onoo - Wed, 27 May 2020 16:49:58 EST n9eKBgQH No.6399762 Reply
Easy, brothers. We already got the replies
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Kristal - Wed, 27 May 2020 16:53:48 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399766 Reply
>>6399759
>Y'all are trying to blame Hana's death on Cornette and that is bullshit
I'm not blaming what happened to Hana directly on Cornette, but I think in light of what happened to Hana it is utterly unconscionable for Cornette to continue to operate in the way he does.

>He didn't try to sue him into bankruptcy.
He has quite literally filed a lawsuit that is being disputed by actual lawyers. And it's overwhelmingly obvious based on the sheer absurdity of Cornette's legal claims as well as the nature of the suit itself that the goal of the lawsuit is to drain G-Raver's finances and browbeat him into submission. He doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of actually winning, the idea is that litigating the issue will be too expensive for G-Raver and he'll just eventually cave. That's usually how lawfare works in these sorts of situations.

>He issued a cease and desist of him trying to make money off of his image
...and then he filed a federal lawsuit.

>Y'all are absolute whiny children who can't ignore an angry old man on twitter then try to blame a death of a wrestler on him when he has NEVER said anything about Hana and it was shitty reality TV fans who attacked her.
You're deliberately distorting people's actual criticisms of Cornette because you can't actually defend him on his own merits. There's no justification for everything he's done and is continuing to do in the whole G-Raver affair and there's no justification for how he conducts himself on social media.
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Kristal - Wed, 27 May 2020 16:57:29 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399771 Reply
>>6399761
Bryan makes it clear that his rants are not personal, he clarifies himself multiple times. Likewise, he keeps his rants on target when it comes to incompetence, usually focusing more on the bookers than the workers. There is no epidemic of Bryan Alvarez fans going around harassing people on social media.

nb for double post.
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Super Strong Machine - Wed, 27 May 2020 16:58:44 EST sTKyCdub No.6399772 Reply
>>6399761

Alvarez sticks to shitting on someone for being shit at wrestling, with the exception being guys like Bischoff, Russo, or Prichard (and even the personal disgust with them stems from those guys shitting on dirtsheets and the Observer for decades)

Alvarez doesn't go on a twenty minute rant about how Al Snow was killing the business in '99, and that Mick Foley should be hog tied and beaten for wearing a sock on his hand. His hyperbole comes from how shit the product is and how bad the performances or matches are. Cornette is so dug in on his persona (and make no mistakes about it, he doesn't like the AEW set, but he is definitely playing up his disgust because he's makes a really good income based on tearing into them) that he spends minutes on these guys, talking about how they are shit, they should be beaten, that someone should've beaten them when they started, that they're garbage, that what they do is literally killing pro wrestling, and that they are awful people. All because they have become successful at something that he doesn't like.

It's pretty pathetic, and it's really made me lose respect for Cornette. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't watch some clips of his podcast on YouTube. Beyond all that, he is still a great storyteller and recounter of his days in the 80's and 90's and he is a pretty great historian.
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Matt Striker - Wed, 27 May 2020 17:06:03 EST NbxmdHMb No.6399775 Reply
>>6399766
Lol man wait to see the vitriol thrown toward actual celebrities
Yes Cornette rightfully sued a guy trying to make money off of his image. Is G Raver homeless? Is he bankrupt? No.
Yes he filed a lawsuit because they didn't take the shirt down.

You're attacking Cornette for shit everyone does online like he literally caused it. He didn't. Everyone knows how he acts like and he's been like this for decades. Block him and move on
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Matt Striker - Wed, 27 May 2020 17:12:10 EST NbxmdHMb No.6399777 Reply
Like I genuinely lost respect for guys like Omega and the Bucks for not simply saying Cornette should fuck off. It isn't hard to do guys.
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Kristal - Wed, 27 May 2020 17:12:11 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399778 Reply
>>6399775
>Yes Cornette rightfully sued a guy trying to make money off of his image.
Again, as someone familiar with this kind of thing I can state with 110% certainty that he is not "rightfully" suing G-Raver. This is a transparent bad-faith effort, and that's what you keep ignoring.

>Everyone knows how he acts like and he's been like this for decades.
So that makes it okay?
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Matt Striker - Wed, 27 May 2020 17:27:03 EST NbxmdHMb No.6399782 Reply
>>6399778
He was selling T shirts with his image on it without his approval. He was right to go after him. One of the Jenner sisters tried selling shirts with Ozzy Osbourne on it and Sharon Osbourne put a stop to it. Same thing. You're just mad it was because he shat on that guy

NO ONE SAID IT WAS OKAY. But signalling out Cornette is bullshit. And just refusing to block him shows you WANT to interact with him making it worse
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Kristal - Wed, 27 May 2020 17:42:48 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399789 Reply
>>6399782
>He was selling T shirts with his image on it without his approval.
The image was substantially modified and is entirely covered under fair use as per commentary. I cannot believe that I have to do this, but fucking Family Guy of all things understands this concept: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3avTQxRQXZU

>One of the Jenner sisters tried selling shirts with Ozzy Osbourne on it and Sharon Osbourne put a stop to it. Same thing.
No, because the Ozzy shirt just used his image blatantly without any sort of commentary or transformative usage. You do not understand how fair use actually works.

>And just refusing to block him shows you WANT to interact with him making it worse
I don't use twitter, but even if I did, "just block him bro" is not a valid response because it doesn't actually solve the problem. Even if the bully doesn't find a way around the block that still doesn't stop him from going after someone else.
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TAKA Michinoku - Wed, 27 May 2020 18:14:14 EST v+E41uU7 No.6399816 Reply
>>6399789
The shirt was Cornette's head stabbed up with his mouth taped, his eyes Xed out to indicate he's dead AND had his name on it.
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Jungle Grrrl - Wed, 27 May 2020 18:18:28 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399822 Reply
>>6399789
just so i'm understanding: what was the transformative message of G Raver's t shirt?

The thing about Fair Use isn't just that you can claim "fair use" as a "get out of jail free" card. You have to be able to make a reasonable case for how your work is transforming and commenting upon pre existing copyright.
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Kevin Kelly - Wed, 27 May 2020 18:19:56 EST tzs2tHuX No.6399824 Reply
>posts cornettes shitty opinions in multiple threads
>just ignored him

Okay how about you ignore me saying he's a fucking asshole.
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Kristal - Wed, 27 May 2020 19:08:41 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399845 Reply
>>6399816
Exactly, the image was modified so it wasn't even a 1:1 copy job. There was alteration made, arguably enough to suggest it was an original work.

>>6399822
Exactly what the text said: Fuck Jim Cornette. Again, watch the family guy clip. Commentary is protected under fair use. Saying "fuck that guy" in a derogatory sense is a form of commentary.
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Jungle Grrrl - Wed, 27 May 2020 19:15:43 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399849 Reply
>>6399845
>Exactly what the text said: Fuck Jim Cornette.

but even the guidelines of what constitutes Fair Use, that is not a transformative enough commentary. That can easily be interpreted as a simple defamation of a real person:

>When you’re making a critique of a work it’s also very important to only make critical statements about the message as opposed to observational statements of opinions about the product or the commercial itself. Critical statements about a copyrighted work put it in a larger context or compare it with other works.

> Two common types of defamation are slander, stating negative or harmful statements about a product person or service and libel, the act of writing down negative or harmful statements about a product, person or service. To avoid violating this rule against slander and libel, you should first be able to tell the difference between a statement that is valid criticism of the ad or product, and one that that is false and/or misleading. You should focus the criticism on the message of the advertisement, rather than the product itself.
http://thelamp.org/portfolio/why-do-i-need-to-understand-fair-use/
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Jungle Grrrl - Wed, 27 May 2020 19:18:55 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399852 Reply
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>>6399845
just want to add:
>Again, watch the family guy clip.
FG didn't use the actual Mickey Mouse trademark and they're not selling any merchandise with trademarked Disney imagery.

I get what that you don't like Cornette and I'm not trying to convince you that he's right, I'm just trying to point out that G Raver's Fair Use argument is not that strong.
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Taz - Wed, 27 May 2020 19:31:08 EST jJJk49p/ No.6399856 Reply
>>6399824
you are right but sadly, most Cornette's fanboys rather see wrestlers Cornette doesn't like just end up like Hana Kimura instead
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Kristal - Wed, 27 May 2020 19:50:24 EST ZcoAes5B No.6399868 Reply
>>6399849
Except nothing on the shirt would be remotely slanderous or libelous. I don't think you actually understand what these words mean and instead just went on google looking for the first source that agreed with you.
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Big John Studd - Wed, 27 May 2020 20:05:35 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399872 Reply
>>6399868
Is "Fuck Jim Cornette" being critical of a product or a real person? Yes, Jim has a stage persona but is G Raver's shirt offering commentary on the persona or is it a message against the real person? If it can be interpreted as a critique of a real person, then Fair Use doesn't apply. Because Jim Cornette, the human being, is not a commercial product that can be remixed.

Also
> If you’re making money off of the material it more than likely will not fall under fair use.
Again: Raver wasn't putting it out purely for artistic or educational purposes. He produced a shirt with the face of a real person, using their real name and disparaged their image, for his own monetary gain. It would be an uphill battle for a defense to explain how he was re-contextualizing a commercial product for critical commentary.

Fair Use cases are tough battles in court and Raver's case isn't typically strong enough.
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X-Pac - Wed, 27 May 2020 21:12:57 EST GcN0rYMZ No.6399930 Reply
>>6399872
Good to know that Cornette fanboys would rather see Cornette send his fans to harass wrestlers to death like Hana Kimura
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Amber O'Neal - Wed, 27 May 2020 21:47:42 EST JyJS6uUQ No.6399942 Reply
>thread being bumped days later because of Cornette bullshit
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Big John Studd - Wed, 27 May 2020 22:13:46 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399972 Reply
>6399930
Showed your hand too soon

Nb
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Big John Studd - Wed, 27 May 2020 22:24:56 EST Nwp9fWmA No.6399980 Reply
>6399978
>I said what's the matter Sid, did you forget your scissors?!
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Abyss - Wed, 27 May 2020 22:30:07 EST +yaDwFGv No.6399983 Reply
>>6399978
for fucks sake can you guys stop using her name in these insignificant dumb internet fights to win arguments? leave her alone
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Kristal - Wed, 27 May 2020 22:42:51 EST VLYxh7XV No.6399993 Reply
>>6399983
You are right but sadly, this is is what happens when this site keeps allowing discussions on Cornette get brought up and the fact Cornette has a history of him or his fandom harassing and sending death threats to people

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